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"Sadly I’m not very versed on the whole thing, but I think I disagree with giving children hormone altering drugs. At least not without some serious consideration Apart from that do what makes you happy and hopefully things can change so people and the NHS can support those things " I think children go through extensive sessions with psychologists, and they might give to some who have consenting parents blockers. Which block/delay puberty. In all fairness if it wasn’t for western society of how we live (as in, if you are a boy act like a boy and vice versa) , and we lived in a world where it didn’t matter, I’m confident to say I’d have grown to naturally transition into a girl a lot earlier. I still regret having waited so long but society, man! I personally can say I had a concept about me not being good in my boy body from a Young age, maybe 4-5 x | |||
"Sadly I’m not very versed on the whole thing, but I think I disagree with giving children hormone altering drugs. At least not without some serious consideration Apart from that do what makes you happy and hopefully things can change so people and the NHS can support those things " Agree on all  | |||
"Sadly I’m not very versed on the whole thing, but I think I disagree with giving children hormone altering drugs. At least not without some serious consideration Apart from that do what makes you happy and hopefully things can change so people and the NHS can support those things I think children go through extensive sessions with psychologists, and they might give to some who have consenting parents blockers. Which block/delay puberty. In all fairness if it wasn’t for western society of how we live (as in, if you are a boy act like a boy and vice versa) , and we lived in a world where it didn’t matter, I’m confident to say I’d have grown to naturally transition into a girl a lot earlier. I still regret having waited so long but society, man! I personally can say I had a concept about me not being good in my boy body from a Young age, maybe 4-5 x "Yeah that’s why I say I think I disagree. Because I’m sure there’s people like you that knew. And realistically it would have helped if you could have gotten assistance sooner But I also think there’s loads of children going through a “phase” and I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. I think it’s a thin line to walk between helping those who need it and preventing children making decisions they haven’t thought through | |||
"Sadly I’m not very versed on the whole thing, but I think I disagree with giving children hormone altering drugs. At least not without some serious consideration Apart from that do what makes you happy and hopefully things can change so people and the NHS can support those things I think children go through extensive sessions with psychologists, and they might give to some who have consenting parents blockers. Which block/delay puberty. In all fairness if it wasn’t for western society of how we live (as in, if you are a boy act like a boy and vice versa) , and we lived in a world where it didn’t matter, I’m confident to say I’d have grown to naturally transition into a girl a lot earlier. I still regret having waited so long but society, man! I personally can say I had a concept about me not being good in my boy body from a Young age, maybe 4-5 x
Yeah that’s why I say I think I disagree.
Because I’m sure there’s people like you that knew. And realistically it would have helped if you could have gotten assistance sooner
But I also think there’s loads of children going through a “phase” and I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. I think it’s a thin line to walk between helping those who need it and preventing children making decisions they haven’t thought through "Yes for sure, I mean it should be checked through and through before giving something as powerful as hormones to children. As in, get therapists involved and all. And hopefully parents can be supportive of their kids if that’s the case. Also I remember reading that some parents in Thailand might exploit children, as female/trans female (known as lady boys there basically) end up being more profitable for the family (which is wrong on many levels) | |||
"Sadly I’m not very versed on the whole thing, but I think I disagree with giving children hormone altering drugs. At least not without some serious consideration Apart from that do what makes you happy and hopefully things can change so people and the NHS can support those things I think children go through extensive sessions with psychologists, and they might give to some who have consenting parents blockers. Which block/delay puberty. In all fairness if it wasn’t for western society of how we live (as in, if you are a boy act like a boy and vice versa) , and we lived in a world where it didn’t matter, I’m confident to say I’d have grown to naturally transition into a girl a lot earlier. I still regret having waited so long but society, man! I personally can say I had a concept about me not being good in my boy body from a Young age, maybe 4-5 x
Yeah that’s why I say I think I disagree.
Because I’m sure there’s people like you that knew. And realistically it would have helped if you could have gotten assistance sooner
But I also think there’s loads of children going through a “phase” and I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. I think it’s a thin line to walk between helping those who need it and preventing children making decisions they haven’t thought through "Also I realise that it would have been easier to transition at a way younger age and have assistance sooner. But can’t live on what if I guess so I’m making the most of it to try and bridge/correct as much as I can | |||
"Sadly I’m not very versed on the whole thing, but I think I disagree with giving children hormone altering drugs. At least not without some serious consideration Apart from that do what makes you happy and hopefully things can change so people and the NHS can support those things " Nobody gives children sex hormone treatment. Before continuing spreading the shit that is pushed by the overwhelmingly transphobic media in this country, go find out some actual facts. England is fast becoming one of the shittiest places in the world for anyone that is in any way gender variant. | |||
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"Sadly I’m not very versed on the whole thing, but I think I disagree with giving children hormone altering drugs. At least not without some serious consideration Apart from that do what makes you happy and hopefully things can change so people and the NHS can support those things Nobody gives children sex hormone treatment. Before continuing spreading the shit that is pushed by the overwhelmingly transphobic media in this country, go find out some actual facts. England is fast becoming one of the shittiest places in the world for anyone that is in any way gender variant." It has been documented that since brexit started,there has been a reduction in tolerance towards not just different races, but also in the LGBT community. | |||
"Sadly I’m not very versed on the whole thing, but I think I disagree with giving children hormone altering drugs. At least not without some serious consideration Apart from that do what makes you happy and hopefully things can change so people and the NHS can support those things Nobody gives children sex hormone treatment. Before continuing spreading the shit that is pushed by the overwhelmingly transphobic media in this country, go find out some actual facts. England is fast becoming one of the shittiest places in the world for anyone that is in any way gender variant. It has been documented that since brexit started,there has been a reduction in tolerance towards not just different races, but also in the LGBT community." Sadly… I’m really hoping for a better future and more information for everyone x but I admit that if it wasn’t for the fact that I can go private, it is a huge hurdle to overcome without the support of parents and NHS….. | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission." DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. | |||
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" Any thoughts on what’s more to do and views on the subject? "End the illusion that there is a community as the reality is there isn’t. The one overriding thing i have heard most from trans folk in the past and still now is “i am nothing like you”. Even when the old TV/TS debate regularly comes round about labels its always about the individual and not the collective. Even though i know there are differences my view has always been what binds and connects us is what we should look at, not the differences. It does not help either that hubs for trans folk now more than ever are around sex sites such as here and tvchix if you discount social media, there no longer are many sites that are well used that are non sexual. Perhaps a better way to look at funding would be to look at the University fees model so that you could apply for a loan and only pay it back if and when you earn above a certain level. | |||
" Any thoughts on what’s more to do and views on the subject?
End the illusion that there is a community as the reality is there isn’t.
The one overriding thing i have heard most from trans folk in the past and still now is “i am nothing like you”.
Even when the old TV/TS debate regularly comes round about labels its always about the individual and not the collective.
Even though i know there are differences my view has always been what binds and connects us is what we should look at, not the differences.
It does not help either that hubs for trans folk now more than ever are around sex sites such as here and tvchix if you discount social media, there no longer are many sites that are well used that are non sexual.
Perhaps a better way to look at funding would be to look at the University fees model so that you could apply for a loan and only pay it back if and when you earn above a certain level."That could be a good way to go about with the idea funding in a uni fee model. As NHS funds certain essential things only, so hormones and GRS. Not FFS or breast enlargement, they aren’t a total requirement as I understand they can be cosmetic in ways but for many, it isn’t just cosmetic as there’s the whole dysphoric issues. Some don’t want any of these ops, but for many are essentials in order to feel complete with their transition/align with body. | |||
"Sadly I’m not very versed on the whole thing, but I think I disagree with giving children hormone altering drugs. At least not without some serious consideration Apart from that do what makes you happy and hopefully things can change so people and the NHS can support those things Nobody gives children sex hormone treatment. Before continuing spreading the shit that is pushed by the overwhelmingly transphobic media in this country, go find out some actual facts. England is fast becoming one of the shittiest places in the world for anyone that is in any way gender variant." Pretty sure places in the US just passed a law saying children could get hormone treatment without a parents permission. That’s a step in that direction | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED." If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar | |||
"Sadly I’m not very versed on the whole thing, but I think I disagree with giving children hormone altering drugs. At least not without some serious consideration Apart from that do what makes you happy and hopefully things can change so people and the NHS can support those things Nobody gives children sex hormone treatment. Before continuing spreading the shit that is pushed by the overwhelmingly transphobic media in this country, go find out some actual facts. England is fast becoming one of the shittiest places in the world for anyone that is in any way gender variant. Pretty sure places in the US just passed a law saying children could get hormone treatment without a parents permission. That’s a step in that direction " Bet that isn’t the state of Texas lol I mean I agree with you on the whole saying that children/teens/adults need to be followed by therapists and have to have the okay from doctors. Regarding parents, I’m on the fence as you can find parents who are not open minded so they wouldn’t allow such things, and teens might miss the train by not taking blockers and then obviously it becomes a slight more complicated journey in the future. It’s not the end of the world, mind you. | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar " I think you have been really open to conversing about the subject and I really appreciate that btw as I understand it’s quite an alien subject for the majority of people on how it feels and how some having this “awakening”  | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar I think you have been really open to conversing about the subject and I really appreciate that btw as I understand it’s quite an alien subject for the majority of people on how it feels and how some having this “awakening” "Yeah sadly I’ve literally no idea how any of this works. I’ve no idea the steps involved. Or what’s true and what’s false in the media. So Thankyou for being patient with me | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar " Some of us are just getting sick as fuck of being told that we have to be nicer and that we must explain again and again and again to people that are mostly deliberately ignorant on these matters and do not even listen to our real world experiences. Yes some of us get aggressive. The real wonder is that we're not totally livid. I have friends who have been physically attacked for the "crime" of being transgender. I'm fortunate that I've only had minor assaults on myself, with no serious consequences. I have known trans women that have been driven to take their own lives. One friend was found drowned in the canal in the heart of Manchester, almost certainly murder but insufficient evidence to ever find the perpetrator. And all this starts with malicious falsehoods being spread by "concerned individuals" who in truth have no concern beyond their own hatred of anyone different. I have no interest in catching flies with honey or vinegar. I have no interest in being friends with transphobes, homophobes, racists, ableists, mysogynists or any other horrible people. I do wish however that they would just shut the fuck up and keep their vileness to themselves. | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar Some of us are just getting sick as fuck of being told that we have to be nicer and that we must explain again and again and again to people that are mostly deliberately ignorant on these matters and do not even listen to our real world experiences. Yes some of us get aggressive. The real wonder is that we're not totally livid. I have friends who have been physically attacked for the "crime" of being transgender. I'm fortunate that I've only had minor assaults on myself, with no serious consequences. I have known trans women that have been driven to take their own lives. One friend was found drowned in the canal in the heart of Manchester, almost certainly murder but insufficient evidence to ever find the perpetrator. And all this starts with malicious falsehoods being spread by "concerned individuals" who in truth have no concern beyond their own hatred of anyone different. I have no interest in catching flies with honey or vinegar. I have no interest in being friends with transphobes, homophobes, racists, ableists, mysogynists or any other horrible people. I do wish however that they would just shut the fuck up and keep their vileness to themselves." Yeah that’s got nothing to do with me so be nicer. Aim your hate better | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar Some of us are just getting sick as fuck of being told that we have to be nicer and that we must explain again and again and again to people that are mostly deliberately ignorant on these matters and do not even listen to our real world experiences. Yes some of us get aggressive. The real wonder is that we're not totally livid. I have friends who have been physically attacked for the "crime" of being transgender. I'm fortunate that I've only had minor assaults on myself, with no serious consequences. I have known trans women that have been driven to take their own lives. One friend was found drowned in the canal in the heart of Manchester, almost certainly murder but insufficient evidence to ever find the perpetrator. And all this starts with malicious falsehoods being spread by "concerned individuals" who in truth have no concern beyond their own hatred of anyone different. I have no interest in catching flies with honey or vinegar. I have no interest in being friends with transphobes, homophobes, racists, ableists, mysogynists or any other horrible people. I do wish however that they would just shut the fuck up and keep their vileness to themselves." I empathise with your fatigue. I really do. | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar Some of us are just getting sick as fuck of being told that we have to be nicer and that we must explain again and again and again to people that are mostly deliberately ignorant on these matters and do not even listen to our real world experiences. Yes some of us get aggressive. The real wonder is that we're not totally livid. I have friends who have been physically attacked for the "crime" of being transgender. I'm fortunate that I've only had minor assaults on myself, with no serious consequences. I have known trans women that have been driven to take their own lives. One friend was found drowned in the canal in the heart of Manchester, almost certainly murder but insufficient evidence to ever find the perpetrator. And all this starts with malicious falsehoods being spread by "concerned individuals" who in truth have no concern beyond their own hatred of anyone different. I have no interest in catching flies with honey or vinegar. I have no interest in being friends with transphobes, homophobes, racists, ableists, mysogynists or any other horrible people. I do wish however that they would just shut the fuck up and keep their vileness to themselves. Yeah that’s got nothing to do with me so be nicer. Aim your hate better " But you jumped in as the first comment on a thread about a transgender affirmative event, pushing forward the same old shit about giving hormones to children that doesn't happen. When challenged on it instead of admitting that you've been misinformed and apologising, you've doubled down and accused someone that is transgender of being the one with the wrong attitude. It is everything to do with you. And I don't aim hate. If anything my emotion is one of overwhelming tiredness and pity at those who are unable to allow minority communities whatever small enjoyments in their own events. | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar Some of us are just getting sick as fuck of being told that we have to be nicer and that we must explain again and again and again to people that are mostly deliberately ignorant on these matters and do not even listen to our real world experiences. Yes some of us get aggressive. The real wonder is that we're not totally livid. I have friends who have been physically attacked for the "crime" of being transgender. I'm fortunate that I've only had minor assaults on myself, with no serious consequences. I have known trans women that have been driven to take their own lives. One friend was found drowned in the canal in the heart of Manchester, almost certainly murder but insufficient evidence to ever find the perpetrator. And all this starts with malicious falsehoods being spread by "concerned individuals" who in truth have no concern beyond their own hatred of anyone different. I have no interest in catching flies with honey or vinegar. I have no interest in being friends with transphobes, homophobes, racists, ableists, mysogynists or any other horrible people. I do wish however that they would just shut the fuck up and keep their vileness to themselves. Yeah that’s got nothing to do with me so be nicer. Aim your hate better But you jumped in as the first comment on a thread about a transgender affirmative event, pushing forward the same old shit about giving hormones to children that doesn't happen. When challenged on it instead of admitting that you've been misinformed and apologising, you've doubled down and accused someone that is transgender of being the one with the wrong attitude. It is everything to do with you. And I don't aim hate. If anything my emotion is one of overwhelming tiredness and pity at those who are unable to allow minority communities whatever small enjoyments in their own events." I am sure he doesn't need this but..... He doesn't need to apologise. He stated from the get go that he was not well versed and entered in to a perfectly civil conversation about it with a very open mind. You are the one who seems close minded and rude right now I wonder why some people don't want to have this type of conversation? Perhaps it's because of the risk of being spoken to the way you have come across tonight. Horrid. | |||
"Sadly I’m not very versed on the whole thing, but I think I disagree with giving children hormone altering drugs. At least not without some serious consideration Apart from that do what makes you happy and hopefully things can change so people and the NHS can support those things Nobody gives children sex hormone treatment. Before continuing spreading the shit that is pushed by the overwhelmingly transphobic media in this country, go find out some actual facts. England is fast becoming one of the shittiest places in the world for anyone that is in any way gender variant. It has been documented that since brexit started,there has been a reduction in tolerance towards not just different races, but also in the LGBT community." Brexit has fucked the UK. | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar Some of us are just getting sick as fuck of being told that we have to be nicer and that we must explain again and again and again to people that are mostly deliberately ignorant on these matters and do not even listen to our real world experiences. Yes some of us get aggressive. The real wonder is that we're not totally livid. I have friends who have been physically attacked for the "crime" of being transgender. I'm fortunate that I've only had minor assaults on myself, with no serious consequences. I have known trans women that have been driven to take their own lives. One friend was found drowned in the canal in the heart of Manchester, almost certainly murder but insufficient evidence to ever find the perpetrator. And all this starts with malicious falsehoods being spread by "concerned individuals" who in truth have no concern beyond their own hatred of anyone different. I have no interest in catching flies with honey or vinegar. I have no interest in being friends with transphobes, homophobes, racists, ableists, mysogynists or any other horrible people. I do wish however that they would just shut the fuck up and keep their vileness to themselves. Yeah that’s got nothing to do with me so be nicer. Aim your hate better But you jumped in as the first comment on a thread about a transgender affirmative event, pushing forward the same old shit about giving hormones to children that doesn't happen. When challenged on it instead of admitting that you've been misinformed and apologising, you've doubled down and accused someone that is transgender of being the one with the wrong attitude. It is everything to do with you. And I don't aim hate. If anything my emotion is one of overwhelming tiredness and pity at those who are unable to allow minority communities whatever small enjoyments in their own events." A lot to break down here. Firstly, I admitted I was in the wrong. Like I said, I’m happy to admit it when I am. Secondly, I never said you were in the wrong. I said the way you’ve spoken to me right out the gate isn’t right. Your attitude stinks and your doing a terrible job at putting the point you apparently value forward. How are you gonna change minds when you come across like that? Third, I find the part where you say “ accused someone that is transgender of being the one with the wrong attitude” weird Like my comments had anything to do with you being trans. Forth. This is meant to discussion and you’ve turned my comments into some grand attack on trans in general. When it’s clear that’s not my intent. Overall I think you’ve got a lot of hate inside you, and while I don’t think it shouldn’t be there as trans people do go through a lot, I feel your wrongly aiming it at people and hurting your own cause Because all I see right now is an angry, resentful person that isn’t willing to have a discussion. You just want to call anyone that doesn’t bow down to your beliefs a transphobe. If you wanna help the cause try doing it with a little niceness. Because kylies been awesome, even privately messaged with a great little documentary to watch on the subject. You’ve just been a rude arsehole | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar Some of us are just getting sick as fuck of being told that we have to be nicer and that we must explain again and again and again to people that are mostly deliberately ignorant on these matters and do not even listen to our real world experiences. Yes some of us get aggressive. The real wonder is that we're not totally livid. I have friends who have been physically attacked for the "crime" of being transgender. I'm fortunate that I've only had minor assaults on myself, with no serious consequences. I have known trans women that have been driven to take their own lives. One friend was found drowned in the canal in the heart of Manchester, almost certainly murder but insufficient evidence to ever find the perpetrator. And all this starts with malicious falsehoods being spread by "concerned individuals" who in truth have no concern beyond their own hatred of anyone different. I have no interest in catching flies with honey or vinegar. I have no interest in being friends with transphobes, homophobes, racists, ableists, mysogynists or any other horrible people. I do wish however that they would just shut the fuck up and keep their vileness to themselves. Yeah that’s got nothing to do with me so be nicer. Aim your hate better But you jumped in as the first comment on a thread about a transgender affirmative event, pushing forward the same old shit about giving hormones to children that doesn't happen. When challenged on it instead of admitting that you've been misinformed and apologising, you've doubled down and accused someone that is transgender of being the one with the wrong attitude. It is everything to do with you. And I don't aim hate. If anything my emotion is one of overwhelming tiredness and pity at those who are unable to allow minority communities whatever small enjoyments in their own events. I am sure he doesn't need this but..... He doesn't need to apologise. He stated from the get go that he was not well versed and entered in to a perfectly civil conversation about it with a very open mind. You are the one who seems close minded and rude right now I wonder why some people don't want to have this type of conversation? Perhaps it's because of the risk of being spoken to the way you have come across tonight. Horrid. " If you had spent the last ten years coming under increasing attack by the British media and establishment, and even seeing transphobic MPs being given the job of equalities minister, you also might start to get a little thin skinned about this stuff. There is a very nasty trope at present of conflating transgender with child abuse, and every single time any of us attempt to give the lie to this, it is we who are immediately attacked. Many transgender children go through absolute hell, there are transphobic pressure groups that are within a hairsbreadth of preventing those children being allowed any access to trans affirmative care (which does not mean medication, it means not allowing them to even receive counselling with parental support). Those that have been reading and contributing to these forums for some time know very well that I have spent years on here trying to politely educate about what it means to be transgender, and that more often than not the result has been abuse pointed in my direction. So please excuse my emotional state when i see a trans affirmative thread title and hope to receive a tiny amount of uplift from reading it, then the very first reply that is posted trots out once again the line of "well I'm only asking questions, but children, hormones, abuse etc". I have always been open to respectful discussion about gender matters, but after long enough of these attacks coming from all fronts, even the best of us is liable to become somewhat short on the subject. | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar Some of us are just getting sick as fuck of being told that we have to be nicer and that we must explain again and again and again to people that are mostly deliberately ignorant on these matters and do not even listen to our real world experiences. Yes some of us get aggressive. The real wonder is that we're not totally livid. I have friends who have been physically attacked for the "crime" of being transgender. I'm fortunate that I've only had minor assaults on myself, with no serious consequences. I have known trans women that have been driven to take their own lives. One friend was found drowned in the canal in the heart of Manchester, almost certainly murder but insufficient evidence to ever find the perpetrator. And all this starts with malicious falsehoods being spread by "concerned individuals" who in truth have no concern beyond their own hatred of anyone different. I have no interest in catching flies with honey or vinegar. I have no interest in being friends with transphobes, homophobes, racists, ableists, mysogynists or any other horrible people. I do wish however that they would just shut the fuck up and keep their vileness to themselves. Yeah that’s got nothing to do with me so be nicer. Aim your hate better But you jumped in as the first comment on a thread about a transgender affirmative event, pushing forward the same old shit about giving hormones to children that doesn't happen. When challenged on it instead of admitting that you've been misinformed and apologising, you've doubled down and accused someone that is transgender of being the one with the wrong attitude. It is everything to do with you. And I don't aim hate. If anything my emotion is one of overwhelming tiredness and pity at those who are unable to allow minority communities whatever small enjoyments in their own events. I am sure he doesn't need this but..... He doesn't need to apologise. He stated from the get go that he was not well versed and entered in to a perfectly civil conversation about it with a very open mind. You are the one who seems close minded and rude right now I wonder why some people don't want to have this type of conversation? Perhaps it's because of the risk of being spoken to the way you have come across tonight. Horrid. If you had spent the last ten years coming under increasing attack by the British media and establishment, and even seeing transphobic MPs being given the job of equalities minister, you also might start to get a little thin skinned about this stuff. There is a very nasty trope at present of conflating transgender with child abuse, and every single time any of us attempt to give the lie to this, it is we who are immediately attacked. Many transgender children go through absolute hell, there are transphobic pressure groups that are within a hairsbreadth of preventing those children being allowed any access to trans affirmative care (which does not mean medication, it means not allowing them to even receive counselling with parental support). Those that have been reading and contributing to these forums for some time know very well that I have spent years on here trying to politely educate about what it means to be transgender, and that more often than not the result has been abuse pointed in my direction. So please excuse my emotional state when i see a trans affirmative thread title and hope to receive a tiny amount of uplift from reading it, then the very first reply that is posted trots out once again the line of "well I'm only asking questions, but children, hormones, abuse etc". I have always been open to respectful discussion about gender matters, but after long enough of these attacks coming from all fronts, even the best of us is liable to become somewhat short on the subject." I’ll take that as a long winded apology And I can say I’ve been better educated on some of the matters at hand, and that while I still don’t agree with the idea of giving children hormones without lots of care and supervision, I was entirely wrong about it actually happening. Turns out there’s some nutters in America trying to pass those kinda laws, and in reality that stuff never happens anyways so I was way off and should probably do a little deeper reading before spouting none sense | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar Some of us are just getting sick as fuck of being told that we have to be nicer and that we must explain again and again and again to people that are mostly deliberately ignorant on these matters and do not even listen to our real world experiences. Yes some of us get aggressive. The real wonder is that we're not totally livid. I have friends who have been physically attacked for the "crime" of being transgender. I'm fortunate that I've only had minor assaults on myself, with no serious consequences. I have known trans women that have been driven to take their own lives. One friend was found drowned in the canal in the heart of Manchester, almost certainly murder but insufficient evidence to ever find the perpetrator. And all this starts with malicious falsehoods being spread by "concerned individuals" who in truth have no concern beyond their own hatred of anyone different. I have no interest in catching flies with honey or vinegar. I have no interest in being friends with transphobes, homophobes, racists, ableists, mysogynists or any other horrible people. I do wish however that they would just shut the fuck up and keep their vileness to themselves. Yeah that’s got nothing to do with me so be nicer. Aim your hate better But you jumped in as the first comment on a thread about a transgender affirmative event, pushing forward the same old shit about giving hormones to children that doesn't happen. When challenged on it instead of admitting that you've been misinformed and apologising, you've doubled down and accused someone that is transgender of being the one with the wrong attitude. It is everything to do with you. And I don't aim hate. If anything my emotion is one of overwhelming tiredness and pity at those who are unable to allow minority communities whatever small enjoyments in their own events. I am sure he doesn't need this but..... He doesn't need to apologise. He stated from the get go that he was not well versed and entered in to a perfectly civil conversation about it with a very open mind. You are the one who seems close minded and rude right now I wonder why some people don't want to have this type of conversation? Perhaps it's because of the risk of being spoken to the way you have come across tonight. Horrid. If you had spent the last ten years coming under increasing attack by the British media and establishment, and even seeing transphobic MPs being given the job of equalities minister, you also might start to get a little thin skinned about this stuff. There is a very nasty trope at present of conflating transgender with child abuse, and every single time any of us attempt to give the lie to this, it is we who are immediately attacked. Many transgender children go through absolute hell, there are transphobic pressure groups that are within a hairsbreadth of preventing those children being allowed any access to trans affirmative care (which does not mean medication, it means not allowing them to even receive counselling with parental support). Those that have been reading and contributing to these forums for some time know very well that I have spent years on here trying to politely educate about what it means to be transgender, and that more often than not the result has been abuse pointed in my direction. So please excuse my emotional state when i see a trans affirmative thread title and hope to receive a tiny amount of uplift from reading it, then the very first reply that is posted trots out once again the line of "well I'm only asking questions, but children, hormones, abuse etc". I have always been open to respectful discussion about gender matters, but after long enough of these attacks coming from all fronts, even the best of us is liable to become somewhat short on the subject." Except the word abuse was not used in that first reply (or in others potentially but I honestly can't recall right now). You have taken someone's curiosity and called them a transphobe with no regard for the ongoing discussion they were having with another forum user. Perhaps the wording of 'boys and girls' in the op span the discussion down the young people issue but at no time did they say children should be refused the right medical discussions at any age. I have been around long enough to have seen your battle with educating forum users and gave to say your aggressive tone and language is what shocked me because of this previous knowledge of you. You are the only person that has taken this thread to a negative place. Prior to your posts it was a very respectful conversation. Again. I know thicca doesn't need me to step in but felt that something had to be said from an outside perspective. | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar Some of us are just getting sick as fuck of being told that we have to be nicer and that we must explain again and again and again to people that are mostly deliberately ignorant on these matters and do not even listen to our real world experiences. Yes some of us get aggressive. The real wonder is that we're not totally livid. I have friends who have been physically attacked for the "crime" of being transgender. I'm fortunate that I've only had minor assaults on myself, with no serious consequences. I have known trans women that have been driven to take their own lives. One friend was found drowned in the canal in the heart of Manchester, almost certainly murder but insufficient evidence to ever find the perpetrator. And all this starts with malicious falsehoods being spread by "concerned individuals" who in truth have no concern beyond their own hatred of anyone different. I have no interest in catching flies with honey or vinegar. I have no interest in being friends with transphobes, homophobes, racists, ableists, mysogynists or any other horrible people. I do wish however that they would just shut the fuck up and keep their vileness to themselves. Yeah that’s got nothing to do with me so be nicer. Aim your hate better But you jumped in as the first comment on a thread about a transgender affirmative event, pushing forward the same old shit about giving hormones to children that doesn't happen. When challenged on it instead of admitting that you've been misinformed and apologising, you've doubled down and accused someone that is transgender of being the one with the wrong attitude. It is everything to do with you. And I don't aim hate. If anything my emotion is one of overwhelming tiredness and pity at those who are unable to allow minority communities whatever small enjoyments in their own events. I am sure he doesn't need this but..... He doesn't need to apologise. He stated from the get go that he was not well versed and entered in to a perfectly civil conversation about it with a very open mind. You are the one who seems close minded and rude right now I wonder why some people don't want to have this type of conversation? Perhaps it's because of the risk of being spoken to the way you have come across tonight. Horrid. If you had spent the last ten years coming under increasing attack by the British media and establishment, and even seeing transphobic MPs being given the job of equalities minister, you also might start to get a little thin skinned about this stuff. There is a very nasty trope at present of conflating transgender with child abuse, and every single time any of us attempt to give the lie to this, it is we who are immediately attacked. Many transgender children go through absolute hell, there are transphobic pressure groups that are within a hairsbreadth of preventing those children being allowed any access to trans affirmative care (which does not mean medication, it means not allowing them to even receive counselling with parental support). Those that have been reading and contributing to these forums for some time know very well that I have spent years on here trying to politely educate about what it means to be transgender, and that more often than not the result has been abuse pointed in my direction. So please excuse my emotional state when i see a trans affirmative thread title and hope to receive a tiny amount of uplift from reading it, then the very first reply that is posted trots out once again the line of "well I'm only asking questions, but children, hormones, abuse etc". I have always been open to respectful discussion about gender matters, but after long enough of these attacks coming from all fronts, even the best of us is liable to become somewhat short on the subject. I’ll take that as a long winded apology And I can say I’ve been better educated on some of the matters at hand, and that while I still don’t agree with the idea of giving children hormones without lots of care and supervision, I was entirely wrong about it actually happening. Turns out there’s some nutters in America trying to pass those kinda laws, and in reality that stuff never happens anyways so I was way off and should probably do a little deeper reading before spouting none sense " And I will accept that as an apology on your part. Emotions have flared high on all sides this evening. If we should ever happen to bump into each other in real life, I would be delighted to buy you a drink and engage in respectful conversation towards mutual understanding and affirmation. With regards, Polly. | |||
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"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar Some of us are just getting sick as fuck of being told that we have to be nicer and that we must explain again and again and again to people that are mostly deliberately ignorant on these matters and do not even listen to our real world experiences. Yes some of us get aggressive. The real wonder is that we're not totally livid. I have friends who have been physically attacked for the "crime" of being transgender. I'm fortunate that I've only had minor assaults on myself, with no serious consequences. I have known trans women that have been driven to take their own lives. One friend was found drowned in the canal in the heart of Manchester, almost certainly murder but insufficient evidence to ever find the perpetrator. And all this starts with malicious falsehoods being spread by "concerned individuals" who in truth have no concern beyond their own hatred of anyone different. I have no interest in catching flies with honey or vinegar. I have no interest in being friends with transphobes, homophobes, racists, ableists, mysogynists or any other horrible people. I do wish however that they would just shut the fuck up and keep their vileness to themselves." no one has been any of those things tbh  | |||
"Sadly I’m not very versed on the whole thing, but I think I disagree with giving children hormone altering drugs. At least not without some serious consideration Apart from that do what makes you happy and hopefully things can change so people and the NHS can support those things " If you're not very well versed on the whole thing why have an opinion on it? I know it may come as news to some men - but you don't need to have an opinion on everything. You can just listen to people who DO have knowledge you don't possess and make up your mind after. | |||
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"I’m quite glad and sad to see this discussion on here. I’m glad to see respectful discussion and my hats off to thickasfuck for being honest and open enough to accept and learn, I apologise if that reads as patronising, it’s absolutely not meant that way. I do absolutely understand Polly’s anger, I’ve been around trans spaces, known enough people and heard enough stories to know how frustrating it is to have to repeat the same arguments, educate and fight the same fight over and over, that battle weary (as it does feel like battle) is an understatement. I’ve found that expecting a trans person to be able to answer your questions or educate you can be a huge imposition. Imagine that every person that you meet expects you to explain why you’re a guy, how you knew, what you’ve gone through to achieve it, then receive abuse, every day, for years, then expected to be good natured about it. You’ll then have a starting idea of how it feels. I don’t pretend to understand but I’m grateful to those that I know and have known that helped me understand just a little. Your bravery and honesty is an inspiration to me. I hope to be an ally for the rest of my days" Thanks so much for this post! no cis person will ever understand our struggles (internally … and that’s already tough, and with the outside world) and you put it perfectly on this post.. you are right, I shouldn’t have to explain to every single person why I was born in a wrong body/why I’m now I’m living my truth/how was my transition etc etc etc etc But I’m open to still try to talk and be heard (so long as there’s receptiveness on the other side) | |||
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"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar " Tone policing marginalised people is not a good look. Trans people have every right to be furious about how they are treated. It is not the responsibility of trans people to coddle white cis men's delicate sensibilities. They've got quite enough to deal with as it is. Don't add to their workload. | |||
"I’ve seen some calls to action in the US where a child can just ask for hormone changing drugs and get them, without even a parents permission. DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. If nothing else, where do these children get thousands of dollars from to pay for this medical treatment? There is no NHS in the states, it costs money to see a doctor, and prescription drugs can cost hundreds even for just stuff like strong painkillers. Yes stories like this do get pushed by "gender critical" factions on the internet and in the right wing media, but THEY ARE JUST MADE UP SHIT DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO CAUSE HATRED. If you want to inform people, talk nicer I’m willing to admit I’m wrong and learn, but right now you’re just coming off as aggressive and I don’t even want to interact. Take a lead out of Kylies book and talk to people with respect. It’s not always transphobia, I’ve even said it in my first post, I’m not well versed You’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar Tone policing marginalised people is not a good look. Trans people have every right to be furious about how they are treated. It is not the responsibility of trans people to coddle white cis men's delicate sensibilities. They've got quite enough to deal with as it is. Don't add to their workload. " I am also marginalised as a gay man but do not have the type of outbursts that gender variant people do and trust me gay men still get intolerable crap and violence thrown at them. Hearts and minds is the goal, not in-your-face forceful militancy, unless facing up to an extreme right wing nazi type. Not the average Joe simply trying to make sense. Nice virtue signalling there mate but it is not the best way | |||
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"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. " 1. What does it matter to you. 2. Stop ignoring a persons simple request to be addressed as they wish. Would you like it if people kept calling you madam, no matter how much you asked? 3. What could be better for a child than parents who want a child so much that they fight for years to adopt one, as opposed to people who have a condom split or a d*unken one night stand and resent their child for the rest of their lives. 4. You’ve announced to the world that you’re a bigot, don’t compound the issue | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. " 1. Dumb. Kylie is a living example right here. Very few things in life need hard cover-all rules. 2. It’s nice to be polite. If someone asks to be called something else, just do it. On the flip side, if I keep getting your pronoun wrong but it’s obviously a mistake, don’t get angry at me or try to cancel me or public shame me. Intent matters more than execution sometimes. I worked with a someone that transitioned and I would always call her by her old name by mistake. That’s dead naming in some situations and people lose their livelihood over that. But she was great and would just laugh and remind me because we both knew my intentions weren’t hostile. It was just habit 3. Undecided really. I guess I believe in a strong mother/father role in the raising of children, but then again why can’t that be provided by trans? I’ve no idea really. I’d say it’s certainly better to have 2 loving trans parents than it is some single mum who doesn’t know who the dad is. Plus it’s not easy getting a child through adoption so you kinda know the kids going to a good home. And to further the strong mother/father role idea, no child is raised exclusively by their parents. There’s uncles, aunts, grandparents, teachers, loads more I can think of, so those roles could be filled from plenty of places I guess after typing it out I’m kinda decided, let them adopt | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. " 1) it delays puberty, HRT even if it’s very serious , isn’t final. None is asking children to have operations. So get out of here… I’d give anything to have been able to block my puberty. 2) You clearly have no idea how fucking shit it feels to be misgendered. And I expect other people to talk to me appropriately. No exception. 3) I never have a parental/motherly need to have children. Having said that, how’s this affect children? If you are a shit parent, you are shit regardless. What is that you are trying to say here? 4) this is the difference between a man like thick, who’s able to question and hear our sides… and someone who defines himself a man, but only qualified in the category for having the chromosomes and the attributes. shocking!
Ps: and people wonder why we are angry. Sheesh. | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. Dumb. Kylie is a living example right here. Very few things in life need hard cover-all rules. 2. It’s nice to be polite. If someone asks to be called something else, just do it. On the flip side, if I keep getting your pronoun wrong but it’s obviously a mistake, don’t get angry at me or try to cancel me or public shame me. Intent matters more than execution sometimes. I worked with a someone that transitioned and I would always call her by her old name by mistake. That’s dead naming in some situations and people lose their livelihood over that. But she was great and would just laugh and remind me because we both knew my intentions weren’t hostile. It was just habit 3. Undecided really. I guess I believe in a strong mother/father role in the raising of children, but then again why can’t that be provided by trans? I’ve no idea really. I’d say it’s certainly better to have 2 loving trans parents than it is some single mum who doesn’t know who the dad is. Plus it’s not easy getting a child through adoption so you kinda know the kids going to a good home. And to further the strong mother/father role idea, no child is raised exclusively by their parents. There’s uncles, aunts, grandparents, teachers, loads more I can think of, so those roles could be filled from plenty of places I guess after typing it out I’m kinda decided, let them adopt " The problem is is it does affect children. My youngest’s friend’s father is trans. Her older sister is 16 and hasn’t been to school for 2 years, she has been bullied so bad over it, has attempted suicide and is in therapy. It’s heartbreaking. My daughter is 12 and in two years hasn’t even questioned it, apart from correcting me when I’ve accidentally referred to her parents as mum and dad. I’m just hoping that this younger generation will be more accepting and I actually think they are in a lot of things. | |||
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"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. Dumb. Kylie is a living example right here. Very few things in life need hard cover-all rules. 2. It’s nice to be polite. If someone asks to be called something else, just do it. On the flip side, if I keep getting your pronoun wrong but it’s obviously a mistake, don’t get angry at me or try to cancel me or public shame me. Intent matters more than execution sometimes. I worked with a someone that transitioned and I would always call her by her old name by mistake. That’s dead naming in some situations and people lose their livelihood over that. But she was great and would just laugh and remind me because we both knew my intentions weren’t hostile. It was just habit 3. Undecided really. I guess I believe in a strong mother/father role in the raising of children, but then again why can’t that be provided by trans? I’ve no idea really. I’d say it’s certainly better to have 2 loving trans parents than it is some single mum who doesn’t know who the dad is. Plus it’s not easy getting a child through adoption so you kinda know the kids going to a good home. And to further the strong mother/father role idea, no child is raised exclusively by their parents. There’s uncles, aunts, grandparents, teachers, loads more I can think of, so those roles could be filled from plenty of places I guess after typing it out I’m kinda decided, let them adopt " Regarding the 2, that’s a different thing if you knew the person before and sometimes you had pronouns wrong or called her with the dead name. It happens. And I’m sure she knew it was genuinely a mistake The problem become when you meet people who clearly refuse to gender appropriately! Some of us are lucky to pass so they don’t have to deal with problems like that from random people , while othe girls/boys don’t pass as much and constantly might get misgendered. And it sucks! We already have to deal with our own internal voices that say. You aren’t good enough. And your arm looks too big. You aren’t pretty enough. You aren’t feminine enough. (Or masculine enough for trans man) Last thing we need is some arsehole who keeps purposely use wrong pronouns because they refuse to use the correct ones. | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. Dumb. Kylie is a living example right here. Very few things in life need hard cover-all rules. 2. It’s nice to be polite. If someone asks to be called something else, just do it. On the flip side, if I keep getting your pronoun wrong but it’s obviously a mistake, don’t get angry at me or try to cancel me or public shame me. Intent matters more than execution sometimes. I worked with a someone that transitioned and I would always call her by her old name by mistake. That’s dead naming in some situations and people lose their livelihood over that. But she was great and would just laugh and remind me because we both knew my intentions weren’t hostile. It was just habit 3. Undecided really. I guess I believe in a strong mother/father role in the raising of children, but then again why can’t that be provided by trans? I’ve no idea really. I’d say it’s certainly better to have 2 loving trans parents than it is some single mum who doesn’t know who the dad is. Plus it’s not easy getting a child through adoption so you kinda know the kids going to a good home. And to further the strong mother/father role idea, no child is raised exclusively by their parents. There’s uncles, aunts, grandparents, teachers, loads more I can think of, so those roles could be filled from plenty of places I guess after typing it out I’m kinda decided, let them adopt The problem is is it does affect children. My youngest’s friend’s father is trans. Her older sister is 16 and hasn’t been to school for 2 years, she has been bullied so bad over it, has attempted suicide and is in therapy. It’s heartbreaking. My daughter is 12 and in two years hasn’t even questioned it, apart from correcting me when I’ve accidentally referred to her parents as mum and dad. I’m just hoping that this younger generation will be more accepting and I actually think they are in a lot of things. " I see your point about children being cruel, I think that a lot of schools have started to educate children about different family models and how they’re all normal, this helps to prevent that as children tend to target things that they don’t understand or see as ‘normal’. My kids have been shown that two mums, two dads, one mum, one dad, grandparents, aunt and uncle, trans parents, etc, are all valid and that the important aspect is that they’re cared for, not what the love looks like. In that way the next generation are automatically better equipped | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. What does it matter to you. 2. Stop ignoring a persons simple request to be addressed as they wish. Would you like it if people kept calling you madam, no matter how much you asked? 3. What could be better for a child than parents who want a child so much that they fight for years to adopt one, as opposed to people who have a condom split or a d*unken one night stand and resent their child for the rest of their lives. 4. You’ve announced to the world that you’re a bigot, don’t compound the issue" 1. And it matters to the child who is undecided and later on can regret having a hormone therapy. Why does it matter to you if the other children won't be allowed hormone therapy? Same argument back at you. 2.I would like to be called king of the britons or pussy destroyer 3000. Although I can want a lot of stuff but not get it. 3.Because having that child is completely selfish. Those parents can donate money to help the children, do community work with them or something similar, but they want the child just for themselves and they dont think how it will affect the child. You don't think how he will grow up, maybe that child will regret not having a standard father and mother and it will most likely affect him mentally. You only look at the positive side and completely ignore the negative. | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. Dumb. Kylie is a living example right here. Very few things in life need hard cover-all rules. 2. It’s nice to be polite. If someone asks to be called something else, just do it. On the flip side, if I keep getting your pronoun wrong but it’s obviously a mistake, don’t get angry at me or try to cancel me or public shame me. Intent matters more than execution sometimes. I worked with a someone that transitioned and I would always call her by her old name by mistake. That’s dead naming in some situations and people lose their livelihood over that. But she was great and would just laugh and remind me because we both knew my intentions weren’t hostile. It was just habit 3. Undecided really. I guess I believe in a strong mother/father role in the raising of children, but then again why can’t that be provided by trans? I’ve no idea really. I’d say it’s certainly better to have 2 loving trans parents than it is some single mum who doesn’t know who the dad is. Plus it’s not easy getting a child through adoption so you kinda know the kids going to a good home. And to further the strong mother/father role idea, no child is raised exclusively by their parents. There’s uncles, aunts, grandparents, teachers, loads more I can think of, so those roles could be filled from plenty of places I guess after typing it out I’m kinda decided, let them adopt The problem is is it does affect children. My youngest’s friend’s father is trans. Her older sister is 16 and hasn’t been to school for 2 years, she has been bullied so bad over it, has attempted suicide and is in therapy. It’s heartbreaking. My daughter is 12 and in two years hasn’t even questioned it, apart from correcting me when I’ve accidentally referred to her parents as mum and dad. I’m just hoping that this younger generation will be more accepting and I actually think they are in a lot of things. " Yes but it affects them because there’s no education around it and it’s still stigmatised by society! Because if it was normalised, we wouldn’t have bully arseholes in school who point the freaking finger making that kid feel bad about the fact that one of the kid has two dads, two mums, a dad and a mum who changed gender, or vice versa. Certainly you can’t put this fault on them too for other kid’s bullying behaviour because They were born in the wrong body and decided to actually do something about that? | |||
"I also think the words bigot and homophobic are thrown around too much when often people simply don’t understand but are very willing to learn. " I tend to agree but I also think that at times, it’s totally warranted. Ignorance isn’t a crime but taking ignorance as a positive thing is harmful. The ‘I don’t understand but I don’t care’ can wear the same mask as bigotry | |||
"I also think the words bigot and homophobic are thrown around too much when often people simply don’t understand but are very willing to learn. I tend to agree but I also think that at times, it’s totally warranted. Ignorance isn’t a crime but taking ignorance as a positive thing is harmful. The ‘I don’t understand but I don’t care’ can wear the same mask as bigotry" Yes. But I’ve had 50 years of he/she/him/her. I wouldn’t purposely called someone him instead of them but it’s going to happen. There was a meeting at my brother’s work because there was someone who was non-binary and they were told they had to refer to them as “them” or “they”. That person hasn’t stopped complaining about people saying he or she and now they all just don’t bother speaking to them! | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. What does it matter to you. 2. Stop ignoring a persons simple request to be addressed as they wish. Would you like it if people kept calling you madam, no matter how much you asked? 3. What could be better for a child than parents who want a child so much that they fight for years to adopt one, as opposed to people who have a condom split or a d*unken one night stand and resent their child for the rest of their lives. 4. You’ve announced to the world that you’re a bigot, don’t compound the issue 1. And it matters to the child who is undecided and later on can regret having a hormone therapy. Why does it matter to you if the other children won't be allowed hormone therapy? Same argument back at you. 2.I would like to be called king of the britons or pussy destroyer 3000. Although I can want a lot of stuff but not get it. 3.Because having that child is completely selfish. Those parents can donate money to help the children, do community work with them or something similar, but they want the child just for themselves and they dont think how it will affect the child. You don't think how he will grow up, maybe that child will regret not having a standard father and mother and it will most likely affect him mentally. You only look at the positive side and completely ignore the negative." Again, you aren’t listening. All I can say, is that you are really lucky that you never had to experience gender dysphoria and that you don’t have to feel like you are wrong and born in the wrong body… You just literally made it ridiculous by saying you want to be a king pussy destroyer… this isn’t the freaking same thing, it is deeper than that. I wish I was a billionaire, but I don’t need a therapist and doctors because I’m not a billionaire. I don’t feel crap when I look at myself in the mirror because I’m not millionaire, I don’t feel crap when people remind me that I’m not one. And I certainly don’t pick my body apart and study every single piece feeling WRONG. Cos I ain’t a rich bitch…… You just demonstrated that no, you are not close enough, you don’t know what I’ve been going through and still go through. | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. Dumb. Kylie is a living example right here. Very few things in life need hard cover-all rules. 2. It’s nice to be polite. If someone asks to be called something else, just do it. On the flip side, if I keep getting your pronoun wrong but it’s obviously a mistake, don’t get angry at me or try to cancel me or public shame me. Intent matters more than execution sometimes. I worked with a someone that transitioned and I would always call her by her old name by mistake. That’s dead naming in some situations and people lose their livelihood over that. But she was great and would just laugh and remind me because we both knew my intentions weren’t hostile. It was just habit 3. Undecided really. I guess I believe in a strong mother/father role in the raising of children, but then again why can’t that be provided by trans? I’ve no idea really. I’d say it’s certainly better to have 2 loving trans parents than it is some single mum who doesn’t know who the dad is. Plus it’s not easy getting a child through adoption so you kinda know the kids going to a good home. And to further the strong mother/father role idea, no child is raised exclusively by their parents. There’s uncles, aunts, grandparents, teachers, loads more I can think of, so those roles could be filled from plenty of places I guess after typing it out I’m kinda decided, let them adopt The problem is is it does affect children. My youngest’s friend’s father is trans. Her older sister is 16 and hasn’t been to school for 2 years, she has been bullied so bad over it, has attempted suicide and is in therapy. It’s heartbreaking. My daughter is 12 and in two years hasn’t even questioned it, apart from correcting me when I’ve accidentally referred to her parents as mum and dad. I’m just hoping that this younger generation will be more accepting and I actually think they are in a lot of things. Yes but it affects them because there’s no education around it and it’s still stigmatised by society! Because if it was normalised, we wouldn’t have bully arseholes in school who point the freaking finger making that kid feel bad about the fact that one of the kid has two dads, two mums, a dad and a mum who changed gender, or vice versa. Certainly you can’t put this fault on them too for other kid’s bullying behaviour because They were born in the wrong body and decided to actually do something about that? " If you think about it, it's human nature to exclude different people (or just nature thing). Looking different, skin colour, behaving differently and so on. If in thousands of years racism could not be eradicated, you expect to change people now? Good luck on that  | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. What does it matter to you. 2. Stop ignoring a persons simple request to be addressed as they wish. Would you like it if people kept calling you madam, no matter how much you asked? 3. What could be better for a child than parents who want a child so much that they fight for years to adopt one, as opposed to people who have a condom split or a d*unken one night stand and resent their child for the rest of their lives. 4. You’ve announced to the world that you’re a bigot, don’t compound the issue 1. And it matters to the child who is undecided and later on can regret having a hormone therapy. Why does it matter to you if the other children won't be allowed hormone therapy? Same argument back at you. 2.I would like to be called king of the britons or pussy destroyer 3000. Although I can want a lot of stuff but not get it. 3.Because having that child is completely selfish. Those parents can donate money to help the children, do community work with them or something similar, but they want the child just for themselves and they dont think how it will affect the child. You don't think how he will grow up, maybe that child will regret not having a standard father and mother and it will most likely affect him mentally. You only look at the positive side and completely ignore the negative." 1. The greater harm done to a child who has to go through puberty simply because there’s a chance that some other child might not be certain, which is ignorant of clinical psychologists ability to do their job and is assumptive based on your fear of transgender. 2. If you get a clinical psychologist to confirm that you’re pussy destroyer, then sure, live your life that way for a few years, wear the clothes in public (a pussy destroyer sign on your back will do) every day, sign your name as pussy destroyer and you’re set. 3. Again, your fear of abuse is based on your belief that it must be so awful to be transgender, how terrible to have parents that way. So you deny a child because of how you think others will react and how terrible for a child to be wanted by them. Your reactions are based in fear and revulsion. Have a think about why that is. | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. What does it matter to you. 2. Stop ignoring a persons simple request to be addressed as they wish. Would you like it if people kept calling you madam, no matter how much you asked? 3. What could be better for a child than parents who want a child so much that they fight for years to adopt one, as opposed to people who have a condom split or a d*unken one night stand and resent their child for the rest of their lives. 4. You’ve announced to the world that you’re a bigot, don’t compound the issue 1. And it matters to the child who is undecided and later on can regret having a hormone therapy. Why does it matter to you if the other children won't be allowed hormone therapy? Same argument back at you. 2.I would like to be called king of the britons or pussy destroyer 3000. Although I can want a lot of stuff but not get it. 3.Because having that child is completely selfish. Those parents can donate money to help the children, do community work with them or something similar, but they want the child just for themselves and they dont think how it will affect the child. You don't think how he will grow up, maybe that child will regret not having a standard father and mother and it will most likely affect him mentally. You only look at the positive side and completely ignore the negative." Ps: if a child is undecided, doctors/therapists would probably not sign off the therapy. Surely… what’s your point? I don’t know what the rules are for teens in order to access gender treatments but pretty sure it isn’t like going into the store to get some haribos. | |||
"I also think the words bigot and homophobic are thrown around too much when often people simply don’t understand but are very willing to learn. I tend to agree but I also think that at times, it’s totally warranted. Ignorance isn’t a crime but taking ignorance as a positive thing is harmful. The ‘I don’t understand but I don’t care’ can wear the same mask as bigotry Yes. But I’ve had 50 years of he/she/him/her. I wouldn’t purposely called someone him instead of them but it’s going to happen. There was a meeting at my brother’s work because there was someone who was non-binary and they were told they had to refer to them as “them” or “they”. That person hasn’t stopped complaining about people saying he or she and now they all just don’t bother speaking to them! " I understand that it’s hard are you saying that you’re beyond learning a new name or a new way of doing things just because of your age? You don’t meet new people and call them Dave just because you can’t learn their name? | |||
"I also think the words bigot and homophobic are thrown around too much when often people simply don’t understand but are very willing to learn. I tend to agree but I also think that at times, it’s totally warranted. Ignorance isn’t a crime but taking ignorance as a positive thing is harmful. The ‘I don’t understand but I don’t care’ can wear the same mask as bigotry Yes. But I’ve had 50 years of he/she/him/her. I wouldn’t purposely called someone him instead of them but it’s going to happen. There was a meeting at my brother’s work because there was someone who was non-binary and they were told they had to refer to them as “them” or “they”. That person hasn’t stopped complaining about people saying he or she and now they all just don’t bother speaking to them! I understand that it’s hard are you saying that you’re beyond learning a new name or a new way of doing things just because of your age? You don’t meet new people and call them Dave just because you can’t learn their name? " Of course I’m not! That’s totally not what I’m saying and you know it. I’m saying people are going to make mistakes and that needs to be accepted too. The Dave thing isn’t even comparable Tea. | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. What does it matter to you. 2. Stop ignoring a persons simple request to be addressed as they wish. Would you like it if people kept calling you madam, no matter how much you asked? 3. What could be better for a child than parents who want a child so much that they fight for years to adopt one, as opposed to people who have a condom split or a d*unken one night stand and resent their child for the rest of their lives. 4. You’ve announced to the world that you’re a bigot, don’t compound the issue 1. And it matters to the child who is undecided and later on can regret having a hormone therapy. Why does it matter to you if the other children won't be allowed hormone therapy? Same argument back at you. 2.I would like to be called king of the britons or pussy destroyer 3000. Although I can want a lot of stuff but not get it. 3.Because having that child is completely selfish. Those parents can donate money to help the children, do community work with them or something similar, but they want the child just for themselves and they dont think how it will affect the child. You don't think how he will grow up, maybe that child will regret not having a standard father and mother and it will most likely affect him mentally. You only look at the positive side and completely ignore the negative. Again, you aren’t listening. All I can say, is that you are really lucky that you never had to experience gender dysphoria and that you don’t have to feel like you are wrong and born in the wrong body… You just literally made it ridiculous by saying you want to be a king pussy destroyer… this isn’t the freaking same thing, it is deeper than that. I wish I was a billionaire, but I don’t need a therapist and doctors because I’m not a billionaire. I don’t feel crap when I look at myself in the mirror because I’m not millionaire, I don’t feel crap when people remind me that I’m not one. And I certainly don’t pick my body apart and study every single piece feeling WRONG. Cos I ain’t a rich bitch…… You just demonstrated that no, you are not close enough, you don’t know what I’ve been going through and still go through." And again, you don't understand my point. I don't care about you and other people don't care about you. You look at the world through your own perspective. Other people have their own problems that you could not so clearly see, but it doesn't mean you can start affecting other people based on your problems. Yes, they should not harass you. You should just live your life whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow you | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. Dumb. Kylie is a living example right here. Very few things in life need hard cover-all rules. 2. It’s nice to be polite. If someone asks to be called something else, just do it. On the flip side, if I keep getting your pronoun wrong but it’s obviously a mistake, don’t get angry at me or try to cancel me or public shame me. Intent matters more than execution sometimes. I worked with a someone that transitioned and I would always call her by her old name by mistake. That’s dead naming in some situations and people lose their livelihood over that. But she was great and would just laugh and remind me because we both knew my intentions weren’t hostile. It was just habit 3. Undecided really. I guess I believe in a strong mother/father role in the raising of children, but then again why can’t that be provided by trans? I’ve no idea really. I’d say it’s certainly better to have 2 loving trans parents than it is some single mum who doesn’t know who the dad is. Plus it’s not easy getting a child through adoption so you kinda know the kids going to a good home. And to further the strong mother/father role idea, no child is raised exclusively by their parents. There’s uncles, aunts, grandparents, teachers, loads more I can think of, so those roles could be filled from plenty of places I guess after typing it out I’m kinda decided, let them adopt The problem is is it does affect children. My youngest’s friend’s father is trans. Her older sister is 16 and hasn’t been to school for 2 years, she has been bullied so bad over it, has attempted suicide and is in therapy. It’s heartbreaking. My daughter is 12 and in two years hasn’t even questioned it, apart from correcting me when I’ve accidentally referred to her parents as mum and dad. I’m just hoping that this younger generation will be more accepting and I actually think they are in a lot of things. Yes but it affects them because there’s no education around it and it’s still stigmatised by society! Because if it was normalised, we wouldn’t have bully arseholes in school who point the freaking finger making that kid feel bad about the fact that one of the kid has two dads, two mums, a dad and a mum who changed gender, or vice versa. Certainly you can’t put this fault on them too for other kid’s bullying behaviour because They were born in the wrong body and decided to actually do something about that? If you think about it, it's human nature to exclude different people (or just nature thing). Looking different, skin colour, behaving differently and so on. If in thousands of years racism could not be eradicated, you expect to change people now? Good luck on that "So Is this your excuse card to be say those unpleasant things ? Because it’s human nature to exclude different people and be dicks? | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. What does it matter to you. 2. Stop ignoring a persons simple request to be addressed as they wish. Would you like it if people kept calling you madam, no matter how much you asked? 3. What could be better for a child than parents who want a child so much that they fight for years to adopt one, as opposed to people who have a condom split or a d*unken one night stand and resent their child for the rest of their lives. 4. You’ve announced to the world that you’re a bigot, don’t compound the issue 1. And it matters to the child who is undecided and later on can regret having a hormone therapy. Why does it matter to you if the other children won't be allowed hormone therapy? Same argument back at you. 2.I would like to be called king of the britons or pussy destroyer 3000. Although I can want a lot of stuff but not get it. 3.Because having that child is completely selfish. Those parents can donate money to help the children, do community work with them or something similar, but they want the child just for themselves and they dont think how it will affect the child. You don't think how he will grow up, maybe that child will regret not having a standard father and mother and it will most likely affect him mentally. You only look at the positive side and completely ignore the negative. 1. The greater harm done to a child who has to go through puberty simply because there’s a chance that some other child might not be certain, which is ignorant of clinical psychologists ability to do their job and is assumptive based on your fear of transgender. 2. If you get a clinical psychologist to confirm that you’re pussy destroyer, then sure, live your life that way for a few years, wear the clothes in public (a pussy destroyer sign on your back will do) every day, sign your name as pussy destroyer and you’re set. 3. Again, your fear of abuse is based on your belief that it must be so awful to be transgender, how terrible to have parents that way. So you deny a child because of how you think others will react and how terrible for a child to be wanted by them. Your reactions are based in fear and revulsion. Have a think about why that is. " You are living in imaginary world, if you think the child will just happily grow up. Not in this current world and probably never. Again you look just at a positive side and ignore the negative. Again if it is not for the parents benefit, why not support the parentless children in different other ways? (quick tip: The answer is simple - it's is purely for parents benefit of wanting the child) | |||
"I also think the words bigot and homophobic are thrown around too much when often people simply don’t understand but are very willing to learn. I tend to agree but I also think that at times, it’s totally warranted. Ignorance isn’t a crime but taking ignorance as a positive thing is harmful. The ‘I don’t understand but I don’t care’ can wear the same mask as bigotry Yes. But I’ve had 50 years of he/she/him/her. I wouldn’t purposely called someone him instead of them but it’s going to happen. There was a meeting at my brother’s work because there was someone who was non-binary and they were told they had to refer to them as “them” or “they”. That person hasn’t stopped complaining about people saying he or she and now they all just don’t bother speaking to them! " Exactly, this whole new non-binary has exploded in people’s faces and they are militant with it too. Look at the non-binary individual working for a train company who complained that ‘good morning ladies and gentleman’ was said over speaker and it offended them as they do not identify. Or the other individual who visited Manchester, was dressed like a scruff and refused entry to a nice venue. But went to the papers complaining it was due to being non-binary. As a gay men I get people shouting in my ear about the both but it has nothing to do with sexuality, it is gender identity but we are all lumped in. Trust me plenty of gay people are as sick of it and as confused as the rest of you | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. What does it matter to you. 2. Stop ignoring a persons simple request to be addressed as they wish. Would you like it if people kept calling you madam, no matter how much you asked? 3. What could be better for a child than parents who want a child so much that they fight for years to adopt one, as opposed to people who have a condom split or a d*unken one night stand and resent their child for the rest of their lives. 4. You’ve announced to the world that you’re a bigot, don’t compound the issue 1. And it matters to the child who is undecided and later on can regret having a hormone therapy. Why does it matter to you if the other children won't be allowed hormone therapy? Same argument back at you. 2.I would like to be called king of the britons or pussy destroyer 3000. Although I can want a lot of stuff but not get it. 3.Because having that child is completely selfish. Those parents can donate money to help the children, do community work with them or something similar, but they want the child just for themselves and they dont think how it will affect the child. You don't think how he will grow up, maybe that child will regret not having a standard father and mother and it will most likely affect him mentally. You only look at the positive side and completely ignore the negative. Again, you aren’t listening. All I can say, is that you are really lucky that you never had to experience gender dysphoria and that you don’t have to feel like you are wrong and born in the wrong body… You just literally made it ridiculous by saying you want to be a king pussy destroyer… this isn’t the freaking same thing, it is deeper than that. I wish I was a billionaire, but I don’t need a therapist and doctors because I’m not a billionaire. I don’t feel crap when I look at myself in the mirror because I’m not millionaire, I don’t feel crap when people remind me that I’m not one. And I certainly don’t pick my body apart and study every single piece feeling WRONG. Cos I ain’t a rich bitch…… You just demonstrated that no, you are not close enough, you don’t know what I’ve been going through and still go through. And again, you don't understand my point. I don't care about you and other people don't care about you. You look at the world through your own perspective. Other people have their own problems that you could not so clearly see, but it doesn't mean you can start affecting other people based on your problems. Yes, they should not harass you. You should just live your life whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow you" I don’t expect people to follow me and nor do I care (I understand that I’m not everyone’s taste and its totally fine. I don’t sulk for it). But I damn sure except people to be respectful. And if you call me a man, or a he, or whatever. You are being very disrespectful. End of You aren’t winning this one. | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. Dumb. Kylie is a living example right here. Very few things in life need hard cover-all rules. 2. It’s nice to be polite. If someone asks to be called something else, just do it. On the flip side, if I keep getting your pronoun wrong but it’s obviously a mistake, don’t get angry at me or try to cancel me or public shame me. Intent matters more than execution sometimes. I worked with a someone that transitioned and I would always call her by her old name by mistake. That’s dead naming in some situations and people lose their livelihood over that. But she was great and would just laugh and remind me because we both knew my intentions weren’t hostile. It was just habit 3. Undecided really. I guess I believe in a strong mother/father role in the raising of children, but then again why can’t that be provided by trans? I’ve no idea really. I’d say it’s certainly better to have 2 loving trans parents than it is some single mum who doesn’t know who the dad is. Plus it’s not easy getting a child through adoption so you kinda know the kids going to a good home. And to further the strong mother/father role idea, no child is raised exclusively by their parents. There’s uncles, aunts, grandparents, teachers, loads more I can think of, so those roles could be filled from plenty of places I guess after typing it out I’m kinda decided, let them adopt The problem is is it does affect children. My youngest’s friend’s father is trans. Her older sister is 16 and hasn’t been to school for 2 years, she has been bullied so bad over it, has attempted suicide and is in therapy. It’s heartbreaking. My daughter is 12 and in two years hasn’t even questioned it, apart from correcting me when I’ve accidentally referred to her parents as mum and dad. I’m just hoping that this younger generation will be more accepting and I actually think they are in a lot of things. Yes but it affects them because there’s no education around it and it’s still stigmatised by society! Because if it was normalised, we wouldn’t have bully arseholes in school who point the freaking finger making that kid feel bad about the fact that one of the kid has two dads, two mums, a dad and a mum who changed gender, or vice versa. Certainly you can’t put this fault on them too for other kid’s bullying behaviour because They were born in the wrong body and decided to actually do something about that? If you think about it, it's human nature to exclude different people (or just nature thing). Looking different, skin colour, behaving differently and so on. If in thousands of years racism could not be eradicated, you expect to change people now? Good luck on that
So Is this your excuse card to be say those unpleasant things ? Because it’s human nature to exclude different people and be dicks? "Did I insult you in some way? Just because I stated real world facts, you shouldn't be insulted. As I said, live your life however you want, but don't try to force others to follow you | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. Dumb. Kylie is a living example right here. Very few things in life need hard cover-all rules. 2. It’s nice to be polite. If someone asks to be called something else, just do it. On the flip side, if I keep getting your pronoun wrong but it’s obviously a mistake, don’t get angry at me or try to cancel me or public shame me. Intent matters more than execution sometimes. I worked with a someone that transitioned and I would always call her by her old name by mistake. That’s dead naming in some situations and people lose their livelihood over that. But she was great and would just laugh and remind me because we both knew my intentions weren’t hostile. It was just habit 3. Undecided really. I guess I believe in a strong mother/father role in the raising of children, but then again why can’t that be provided by trans? I’ve no idea really. I’d say it’s certainly better to have 2 loving trans parents than it is some single mum who doesn’t know who the dad is. Plus it’s not easy getting a child through adoption so you kinda know the kids going to a good home. And to further the strong mother/father role idea, no child is raised exclusively by their parents. There’s uncles, aunts, grandparents, teachers, loads more I can think of, so those roles could be filled from plenty of places I guess after typing it out I’m kinda decided, let them adopt The problem is is it does affect children. My youngest’s friend’s father is trans. Her older sister is 16 and hasn’t been to school for 2 years, she has been bullied so bad over it, has attempted suicide and is in therapy. It’s heartbreaking. My daughter is 12 and in two years hasn’t even questioned it, apart from correcting me when I’ve accidentally referred to her parents as mum and dad. I’m just hoping that this younger generation will be more accepting and I actually think they are in a lot of things. Yes but it affects them because there’s no education around it and it’s still stigmatised by society! Because if it was normalised, we wouldn’t have bully arseholes in school who point the freaking finger making that kid feel bad about the fact that one of the kid has two dads, two mums, a dad and a mum who changed gender, or vice versa. Certainly you can’t put this fault on them too for other kid’s bullying behaviour because They were born in the wrong body and decided to actually do something about that? " I’m not. I agree. I didn’t say I was putting the fault on anyone! I’m simply pointing out a situation. I agree there should be education. | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. Dumb. Kylie is a living example right here. Very few things in life need hard cover-all rules. 2. It’s nice to be polite. If someone asks to be called something else, just do it. On the flip side, if I keep getting your pronoun wrong but it’s obviously a mistake, don’t get angry at me or try to cancel me or public shame me. Intent matters more than execution sometimes. I worked with a someone that transitioned and I would always call her by her old name by mistake. That’s dead naming in some situations and people lose their livelihood over that. But she was great and would just laugh and remind me because we both knew my intentions weren’t hostile. It was just habit 3. Undecided really. I guess I believe in a strong mother/father role in the raising of children, but then again why can’t that be provided by trans? I’ve no idea really. I’d say it’s certainly better to have 2 loving trans parents than it is some single mum who doesn’t know who the dad is. Plus it’s not easy getting a child through adoption so you kinda know the kids going to a good home. And to further the strong mother/father role idea, no child is raised exclusively by their parents. There’s uncles, aunts, grandparents, teachers, loads more I can think of, so those roles could be filled from plenty of places I guess after typing it out I’m kinda decided, let them adopt The problem is is it does affect children. My youngest’s friend’s father is trans. Her older sister is 16 and hasn’t been to school for 2 years, she has been bullied so bad over it, has attempted suicide and is in therapy. It’s heartbreaking. My daughter is 12 and in two years hasn’t even questioned it, apart from correcting me when I’ve accidentally referred to her parents as mum and dad. I’m just hoping that this younger generation will be more accepting and I actually think they are in a lot of things. Yes but it affects them because there’s no education around it and it’s still stigmatised by society! Because if it was normalised, we wouldn’t have bully arseholes in school who point the freaking finger making that kid feel bad about the fact that one of the kid has two dads, two mums, a dad and a mum who changed gender, or vice versa. Certainly you can’t put this fault on them too for other kid’s bullying behaviour because They were born in the wrong body and decided to actually do something about that? I’m not. I agree. I didn’t say I was putting the fault on anyone! I’m simply pointing out a situation. I agree there should be education. " Also I’m sorry i didn’t want to point finger saying you are putting fault. It was an example to say that it’s really the bully’s fault because there’s no education around it. Not the parent’s fault because he/she needed/decided to transition and certainly not the kid who’s getting bullied for it 
That’s the clarification I wanted to point out. And I’m
Hoping that it will change.
I’m actually thinking of writing a children’s illustrated story with a friend regarding the issues to hopefully chip in and educate both parents/kids
Should I go and start collect wood so I can be burnt at the stake?  | |||
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"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. Dumb. Kylie is a living example right here. Very few things in life need hard cover-all rules. 2. It’s nice to be polite. If someone asks to be called something else, just do it. On the flip side, if I keep getting your pronoun wrong but it’s obviously a mistake, don’t get angry at me or try to cancel me or public shame me. Intent matters more than execution sometimes. I worked with a someone that transitioned and I would always call her by her old name by mistake. That’s dead naming in some situations and people lose their livelihood over that. But she was great and would just laugh and remind me because we both knew my intentions weren’t hostile. It was just habit 3. Undecided really. I guess I believe in a strong mother/father role in the raising of children, but then again why can’t that be provided by trans? I’ve no idea really. I’d say it’s certainly better to have 2 loving trans parents than it is some single mum who doesn’t know who the dad is. Plus it’s not easy getting a child through adoption so you kinda know the kids going to a good home. And to further the strong mother/father role idea, no child is raised exclusively by their parents. There’s uncles, aunts, grandparents, teachers, loads more I can think of, so those roles could be filled from plenty of places I guess after typing it out I’m kinda decided, let them adopt The problem is is it does affect children. My youngest’s friend’s father is trans. Her older sister is 16 and hasn’t been to school for 2 years, she has been bullied so bad over it, has attempted suicide and is in therapy. It’s heartbreaking. My daughter is 12 and in two years hasn’t even questioned it, apart from correcting me when I’ve accidentally referred to her parents as mum and dad. I’m just hoping that this younger generation will be more accepting and I actually think they are in a lot of things. Yes but it affects them because there’s no education around it and it’s still stigmatised by society! Because if it was normalised, we wouldn’t have bully arseholes in school who point the freaking finger making that kid feel bad about the fact that one of the kid has two dads, two mums, a dad and a mum who changed gender, or vice versa. Certainly you can’t put this fault on them too for other kid’s bullying behaviour because They were born in the wrong body and decided to actually do something about that? I’m not. I agree. I didn’t say I was putting the fault on anyone! I’m simply pointing out a situation. I agree there should be education. Also I’m sorry i didn’t want to point finger saying you are putting fault. It was an example to say that it’s really the bully’s fault because there’s no education around it. Not the parent’s fault because he/she needed/decided to transition and certainly not the kid who’s getting bullied for it
That’s the clarification I wanted to point out. And I’m
Hoping that it will change.
I’m actually thinking of writing a children’s illustrated story with a friend regarding the issues to hopefully chip in and educate both parents/kids
Should I go and start collect wood so I can be burnt at the stake? "Yes it’s the bully’s fault and perhaps the parents. I was just saying it’s heartbreaking and if that was my child I would be devastated. There are a few educational books I’ve seen my daughter bring home. I think David Walliams has done a few. I think children’s books are an excellent way of doing it. | |||
"I also think the words bigot and homophobic are thrown around too much when often people simply don’t understand but are very willing to learn. I tend to agree but I also think that at times, it’s totally warranted. Ignorance isn’t a crime but taking ignorance as a positive thing is harmful. The ‘I don’t understand but I don’t care’ can wear the same mask as bigotry Yes. But I’ve had 50 years of he/she/him/her. I wouldn’t purposely called someone him instead of them but it’s going to happen. There was a meeting at my brother’s work because there was someone who was non-binary and they were told they had to refer to them as “them” or “they”. That person hasn’t stopped complaining about people saying he or she and now they all just don’t bother speaking to them! I understand that it’s hard are you saying that you’re beyond learning a new name or a new way of doing things just because of your age? You don’t meet new people and call them Dave just because you can’t learn their name? Of course I’m not! That’s totally not what I’m saying and you know it. I’m saying people are going to make mistakes and that needs to be accepted too. The Dave thing isn’t even comparable Tea. " I know, I was being facetious and was meant with a wink. People get things wrong and need time to adjust, there’s a difference between intentional behaviour and honest mistakes which takes flexibility on both sides. | |||
"I just think this is too confusing for kids, it should be age-appropriate "I agree with this too. I think to pile it on them heavy is too much but a picture book maybe Janet and John type but obviously different is sufficient. | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. Dumb. Kylie is a living example right here. Very few things in life need hard cover-all rules. 2. It’s nice to be polite. If someone asks to be called something else, just do it. On the flip side, if I keep getting your pronoun wrong but it’s obviously a mistake, don’t get angry at me or try to cancel me or public shame me. Intent matters more than execution sometimes. I worked with a someone that transitioned and I would always call her by her old name by mistake. That’s dead naming in some situations and people lose their livelihood over that. But she was great and would just laugh and remind me because we both knew my intentions weren’t hostile. It was just habit 3. Undecided really. I guess I believe in a strong mother/father role in the raising of children, but then again why can’t that be provided by trans? I’ve no idea really. I’d say it’s certainly better to have 2 loving trans parents than it is some single mum who doesn’t know who the dad is. Plus it’s not easy getting a child through adoption so you kinda know the kids going to a good home. And to further the strong mother/father role idea, no child is raised exclusively by their parents. There’s uncles, aunts, grandparents, teachers, loads more I can think of, so those roles could be filled from plenty of places I guess after typing it out I’m kinda decided, let them adopt The problem is is it does affect children. My youngest’s friend’s father is trans. Her older sister is 16 and hasn’t been to school for 2 years, she has been bullied so bad over it, has attempted suicide and is in therapy. It’s heartbreaking. My daughter is 12 and in two years hasn’t even questioned it, apart from correcting me when I’ve accidentally referred to her parents as mum and dad. I’m just hoping that this younger generation will be more accepting and I actually think they are in a lot of things. Yes but it affects them because there’s no education around it and it’s still stigmatised by society! Because if it was normalised, we wouldn’t have bully arseholes in school who point the freaking finger making that kid feel bad about the fact that one of the kid has two dads, two mums, a dad and a mum who changed gender, or vice versa. Certainly you can’t put this fault on them too for other kid’s bullying behaviour because They were born in the wrong body and decided to actually do something about that? I’m not. I agree. I didn’t say I was putting the fault on anyone! I’m simply pointing out a situation. I agree there should be education. Also I’m sorry i didn’t want to point finger saying you are putting fault. It was an example to say that it’s really the bully’s fault because there’s no education around it. Not the parent’s fault because he/she needed/decided to transition and certainly not the kid who’s getting bullied for it
That’s the clarification I wanted to point out. And I’m
Hoping that it will change.
I’m actually thinking of writing a children’s illustrated story with a friend regarding the issues to hopefully chip in and educate both parents/kids
Should I go and start collect wood so I can be burnt at the stake? "Then you should delete fabs account and better not have any pics, videos online linking you with swingers. It is not about that you trans, it is about being on a swingers site with explicit pics. If you are serious about it, you should think about everything before hand. People are getting cancelled for saying one bad word online nowadays | |||
"I also think the words bigot and homophobic are thrown around too much when often people simply don’t understand but are very willing to learn. I tend to agree but I also think that at times, it’s totally warranted. Ignorance isn’t a crime but taking ignorance as a positive thing is harmful. The ‘I don’t understand but I don’t care’ can wear the same mask as bigotry Yes. But I’ve had 50 years of he/she/him/her. I wouldn’t purposely called someone him instead of them but it’s going to happen. There was a meeting at my brother’s work because there was someone who was non-binary and they were told they had to refer to them as “them” or “they”. That person hasn’t stopped complaining about people saying he or she and now they all just don’t bother speaking to them! I understand that it’s hard are you saying that you’re beyond learning a new name or a new way of doing things just because of your age? You don’t meet new people and call them Dave just because you can’t learn their name? Of course I’m not! That’s totally not what I’m saying and you know it. I’m saying people are going to make mistakes and that needs to be accepted too. The Dave thing isn’t even comparable Tea. I know, I was being facetious and was meant with a wink. People get things wrong and need time to adjust, there’s a difference between intentional behaviour and honest mistakes which takes flexibility on both sides. " Absolutely. I don’t like the “I won’t change and I’ll call people what I want”’ attitude but innocent mistakes will be made. I worked in a bank for 20 years where we had to call customers sir. That’s hard to suddenly stop. I mean that kind of thing. | |||
"I also think the words bigot and homophobic are thrown around too much when often people simply don’t understand but are very willing to learn. I tend to agree but I also think that at times, it’s totally warranted. Ignorance isn’t a crime but taking ignorance as a positive thing is harmful. The ‘I don’t understand but I don’t care’ can wear the same mask as bigotry Yes. But I’ve had 50 years of he/she/him/her. I wouldn’t purposely called someone him instead of them but it’s going to happen. There was a meeting at my brother’s work because there was someone who was non-binary and they were told they had to refer to them as “them” or “they”. That person hasn’t stopped complaining about people saying he or she and now they all just don’t bother speaking to them! Exactly, this whole new non-binary has exploded in people’s faces and they are militant with it too. Look at the non-binary individual working for a train company who complained that ‘good morning ladies and gentleman’ was said over speaker and it offended them as they do not identify. Or the other individual who visited Manchester, was dressed like a scruff and refused entry to a nice venue. But went to the papers complaining it was due to being non-binary. As a gay men I get people shouting in my ear about the both but it has nothing to do with sexuality, it is gender identity but we are all lumped in. Trust me plenty of gay people are as sick of it and as confused as the rest of you "I’m a bit surprised to read this (and some previous messages) from a brother….
We should support each other knowing that we were/still are treated as outsiders instead I’ve heard a lot of negative remarks from the gay community. (Luckily it’s a small minority) | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. What does it matter to you. 2. Stop ignoring a persons simple request to be addressed as they wish. Would you like it if people kept calling you madam, no matter how much you asked? 3. What could be better for a child than parents who want a child so much that they fight for years to adopt one, as opposed to people who have a condom split or a d*unken one night stand and resent their child for the rest of their lives. 4. You’ve announced to the world that you’re a bigot, don’t compound the issue 1. And it matters to the child who is undecided and later on can regret having a hormone therapy. Why does it matter to you if the other children won't be allowed hormone therapy? Same argument back at you. 2.I would like to be called king of the britons or pussy destroyer 3000. Although I can want a lot of stuff but not get it. 3.Because having that child is completely selfish. Those parents can donate money to help the children, do community work with them or something similar, but they want the child just for themselves and they dont think how it will affect the child. You don't think how he will grow up, maybe that child will regret not having a standard father and mother and it will most likely affect him mentally. You only look at the positive side and completely ignore the negative. 1. The greater harm done to a child who has to go through puberty simply because there’s a chance that some other child might not be certain, which is ignorant of clinical psychologists ability to do their job and is assumptive based on your fear of transgender. 2. If you get a clinical psychologist to confirm that you’re pussy destroyer, then sure, live your life that way for a few years, wear the clothes in public (a pussy destroyer sign on your back will do) every day, sign your name as pussy destroyer and you’re set. 3. Again, your fear of abuse is based on your belief that it must be so awful to be transgender, how terrible to have parents that way. So you deny a child because of how you think others will react and how terrible for a child to be wanted by them. Your reactions are based in fear and revulsion. Have a think about why that is. You are living in imaginary world, if you think the child will just happily grow up. Not in this current world and probably never. Again you look just at a positive side and ignore the negative. Again if it is not for the parents benefit, why not support the parentless children in different other ways? (quick tip: The answer is simple - it's is purely for parents benefit of wanting the child)" You’re viewing this entirely from the point of cis het privilege. Your answer to people who desperately want children is to volunteer or support others? You’re looking entirely from the view that trans people are demons and it’s right that they’re going to be abused. I notice that you’ve stopped arguing your other points as well | |||
"I stand with my trans brothers and sisters, and my gender diverse siblings. There is so much to do. It breaks my heart." This!! 100000% Am ashamed of the way this country treats people!! | |||
"I just think this is too confusing for kids, it should be age-appropriate "It’s not at all confusing for kids. They learn fast. It’s the adults that can’t cope. | |||
"I also think the words bigot and homophobic are thrown around too much when often people simply don’t understand but are very willing to learn. I tend to agree but I also think that at times, it’s totally warranted. Ignorance isn’t a crime but taking ignorance as a positive thing is harmful. The ‘I don’t understand but I don’t care’ can wear the same mask as bigotry Yes. But I’ve had 50 years of he/she/him/her. I wouldn’t purposely called someone him instead of them but it’s going to happen. There was a meeting at my brother’s work because there was someone who was non-binary and they were told they had to refer to them as “them” or “they”. That person hasn’t stopped complaining about people saying he or she and now they all just don’t bother speaking to them! Exactly, this whole new non-binary has exploded in people’s faces and they are militant with it too. Look at the non-binary individual working for a train company who complained that ‘good morning ladies and gentleman’ was said over speaker and it offended them as they do not identify. Or the other individual who visited Manchester, was dressed like a scruff and refused entry to a nice venue. But went to the papers complaining it was due to being non-binary. As a gay men I get people shouting in my ear about the both but it has nothing to do with sexuality, it is gender identity but we are all lumped in. Trust me plenty of gay people are as sick of it and as confused as the rest of you "It’s almost like gay people were in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s when pride was a defiance? If you don’t understand, maybe read a bit about it? I’m bisexual, understand it perfectly and support where I can because I’ve taken the time to understand better and to listen. In my experience a large issue within LGBTQ circles are gay men and lesbian women demanding that things be about them and not supporting other people or understanding the struggle. | |||
"1.No hormone therapy should be giving to be any person below 18. Even with consent from everyone. 2. Stop pushing gender pronouns. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't expect others to follow this. The more you push your ideology, the more people will push back. 3. No adoptions. You can do whatever you want, but then it starts affecting children, oh boy you get in trouble with the general population. 1. What does it matter to you. 2. Stop ignoring a persons simple request to be addressed as they wish. Would you like it if people kept calling you madam, no matter how much you asked? 3. What could be better for a child than parents who want a child so much that they fight for years to adopt one, as opposed to people who have a condom split or a d*unken one night stand and resent their child for the rest of their lives. 4. You’ve announced to the world that you’re a bigot, don’t compound the issue 1. And it matters to the child who is undecided and later on can regret having a hormone therapy. Why does it matter to you if the other children won't be allowed hormone therapy? Same argument back at you. 2.I would like to be called king of the britons or pussy destroyer 3000. Although I can want a lot of stuff but not get it. 3.Because having that child is completely selfish. Those parents can donate money to help the children, do community work with them or something similar, but they want the child just for themselves and they dont think how it will affect the child. You don't think how he will grow up, maybe that child will regret not having a standard father and mother and it will most likely affect him mentally. You only look at the positive side and completely ignore the negative. 1. The greater harm done to a child who has to go through puberty simply because there’s a chance that some other child might not be certain, which is ignorant of clinical psychologists ability to do their job and is assumptive based on your fear of transgender. 2. If you get a clinical psychologist to confirm that you’re pussy destroyer, then sure, live your life that way for a few years, wear the clothes in public (a pussy destroyer sign on your back will do) every day, sign your name as pussy destroyer and you’re set. 3. Again, your fear of abuse is based on your belief that it must be so awful to be transgender, how terrible to have parents that way. So you deny a child because of how you think others will react and how terrible for a child to be wanted by them. Your reactions are based in fear and revulsion. Have a think about why that is. You are living in imaginary world, if you think the child will just happily grow up. Not in this current world and probably never. Again you look just at a positive side and ignore the negative. Again if it is not for the parents benefit, why not support the parentless children in different other ways? (quick tip: The answer is simple - it's is purely for parents benefit of wanting the child) You’re viewing this entirely from the point of cis het privilege. Your answer to people who desperately want children is to volunteer or support others? You’re looking entirely from the view that trans people are demons and it’s right that they’re going to be abused. I notice that you’ve stopped arguing your other points as well" What is cis het? Can you speak english please 
Im looking at this entirely from a child's perspective, and completely ignore the trans perspective. As I said it will affect the child involuntarily.
Also, you just assume I hate trans people, seeing them as demons and wishing for them to be abused? How the hell you made this up? | |||
"I just think this is too confusing for kids, it should be age-appropriate
I agree with this too. I think to pile it on them heavy is too much but a picture book maybe Janet and John type but obviously different is sufficient. "Of course it was gonna be age appropriate done in a fairy tale style and mainly visual and pretty. It has to be done with a child vision in mind, of course. Not even teens as that’s where it needs to be normalised. And it wasn’t just trans but also Gay /Lesbians. Just to get kids to reassure that it’s OKAY to feel different (I knew I was wrong from age 4-5) but most importantly for other kids that there can be different dynamics happening. (Even for adults) | |||
"I also think the words bigot and homophobic are thrown around too much when often people simply don’t understand but are very willing to learn. I tend to agree but I also think that at times, it’s totally warranted. Ignorance isn’t a crime but taking ignorance as a positive thing is harmful. The ‘I don’t understand but I don’t care’ can wear the same mask as bigotry Yes. But I’ve had 50 years of he/she/him/her. I wouldn’t purposely called someone him instead of them but it’s going to happen. There was a meeting at my brother’s work because there was someone who was non-binary and they were told they had to refer to them as “them” or “they”. That person hasn’t stopped complaining about people saying he or she and now they all just don’t bother speaking to them! Exactly, this whole new non-binary has exploded in people’s faces and they are militant with it too. Look at the non-binary individual working for a train company who complained that ‘good morning ladies and gentleman’ was said over speaker and it offended them as they do not identify. Or the other individual who visited Manchester, was dressed like a scruff and refused entry to a nice venue. But went to the papers complaining it was due to being non-binary. As a gay men I get people shouting in my ear about the both but it has nothing to do with sexuality, it is gender identity but we are all lumped in. Trust me plenty of gay people are as sick of it and as confused as the rest of you
It’s almost like gay people were in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s when pride was a defiance?
If you don’t understand, maybe read a bit about it? I’m bisexual, understand it perfectly and support where I can because I’ve taken the time to understand better and to listen.
In my experience a large issue within LGBTQ circles are gay men and lesbian women demanding that things be about them and not supporting other people or understanding the struggle. "Wow absolute rubbish, gay venues, media, apps and sites have bent over backwards to accommodate all this, so much so that it is actually feeling completely dominated by it. Please do not even go there | |||
"I just think this is too confusing for kids, it should be age-appropriate
It’s not at all confusing for kids. They learn fast. It’s the adults that can’t cope."Omg- Thank you!!!! Exactly, and if you educate and nip it into the bud early on, then maybe we can actually start to see changes on being accepting that sometimes, even if it’s a small percentage, there are slightly different dynamics happening and it’s totally fine. End of the story
Not a different concept to grasp. | |||
"I just think this is too confusing for kids, it should be age-appropriate "It always is age appropriate but it’s actually not confusing for kids, they accept things very easily and it’s just normal for them. It’s adults that struggle. Tell a child “sometimes a man loves a man” or “sometimes boys are born as girls or the other way round and need help to swap” and they just go “oooh! That’s why that happens, ok” and run off. I know that happens because I’ve done it with mine | |||
"I just think this is too confusing for kids, it should be age-appropriate
It always is age appropriate but it’s actually not confusing for kids, they accept things very easily and it’s just normal for them.
It’s adults that struggle.
Tell a child “sometimes a man loves a man” or “sometimes boys are born as girls or the other way round and need help to swap” and they just go “oooh! That’s why that happens, ok” and run off.
I know that happens because I’ve done it with mine"Exactly, but *some* adults think there’s an agenda and that we are actually converting kids into wanting to confuse them….
None ever told me anything apart from the standard boys will be boys, girls will be girls. Prince marries princess.
And still, I felt wrong at the age of 4-5. Explain that I just didn’t know how to word it but I knew full well I wasn’t right in the body I was given. And for years I was made to feel ashamed by that and was often told “you are boy, stop acting like a girl… you are not a girl”
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"I also think the words bigot and homophobic are thrown around too much when often people simply don’t understand but are very willing to learn. I tend to agree but I also think that at times, it’s totally warranted. Ignorance isn’t a crime but taking ignorance as a positive thing is harmful. The ‘I don’t understand but I don’t care’ can wear the same mask as bigotry Yes. But I’ve had 50 years of he/she/him/her. I wouldn’t purposely called someone him instead of them but it’s going to happen. There was a meeting at my brother’s work because there was someone who was non-binary and they were told they had to refer to them as “them” or “they”. That person hasn’t stopped complaining about people saying he or she and now they all just don’t bother speaking to them! Exactly, this whole new non-binary has exploded in people’s faces and they are militant with it too. Look at the non-binary individual working for a train company who complained that ‘good morning ladies and gentleman’ was said over speaker and it offended them as they do not identify. Or the other individual who visited Manchester, was dressed like a scruff and refused entry to a nice venue. But went to the papers complaining it was due to being non-binary. As a gay men I get people shouting in my ear about the both but it has nothing to do with sexuality, it is gender identity but we are all lumped in. Trust me plenty of gay people are as sick of it and as confused as the rest of you
It’s almost like gay people were in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s when pride was a defiance?
If you don’t understand, maybe read a bit about it? I’m bisexual, understand it perfectly and support where I can because I’ve taken the time to understand better and to listen.
In my experience a large issue within LGBTQ circles are gay men and lesbian women demanding that things be about them and not supporting other people or understanding the struggle.
Wow absolute rubbish, gay venues, media, apps and sites have bent over backwards to accommodate all this, so much so that it is actually feeling completely dominated by it. Please do not even go there "And yet you’re here venting about it saying how you and lots of others are sick of it? Very supportive and understanding. As I say; my experience and that of lots of others is that the L and the G don’t support the rest, that transphobic and biphobic attitudes are rife and that there are entitled attitudes amongst people. It’s not hard to educate yourself and not be that person | |||
"I just think this is too confusing for kids, it should be age-appropriate
It always is age appropriate but it’s actually not confusing for kids, they accept things very easily and it’s just normal for them.
It’s adults that struggle.
Tell a child “sometimes a man loves a man” or “sometimes boys are born as girls or the other way round and need help to swap” and they just go “oooh! That’s why that happens, ok” and run off.
I know that happens because I’ve done it with mine
Exactly, but *some* adults think there’s an agenda and that we are actually converting kids into wanting to confuse them….
None ever told me anything apart from the standard boys will be boys, girls will be girls. Prince marries princess.
And still, I felt wrong at the age of 4-5. Explain that I just didn’t know how to word it but I knew full well I wasn’t right in the body I was given. And for years I was made to feel ashamed by that and was often told “you are boy, stop acting like a girl… you are not a girl”
"I follow a wonderful (as far as I know) family on tiktok who live in America and have an autistic adopted child. They let them live, dress, identify etc as they wish to be. Most often it's in dresses and long hair and the beam on their face is amazing. They are only 6 I believe. They go to Disney a lot and they are always dressed in the princess or female lead costumes. The character cast are amazing with them. It's beautiful | |||
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"Right, I'm going to stop quoting folk, because I have no interest in getting sucked into arguments with individuals. Being marginalised yourself is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for problematic behviour towards other marginalised people. Other people's rights are not dependent on how nice they are towards you. Trying to be a better person, and encouraging others to be better people to, is not "virtual signalling". That's a snarl term used to try to shut down people who are actually trying to make the world better for everyone. I'm not perfect and I don't pretend to be; I'm a white cishet male with all the privileges that entails. But I'm learning, all the time, and trying to do better. It's not as difficult to be a decent person doing the right thing as you think it is. Puberty blockers are harmless and puberty just resumes if you change your mind and stop taking them. Stop forcing people who already know they're trans to grow into bodies that will cause them all the miseries of dysphoria. People across the spectrum of gender identities have not "suddenly" appeared. They've always been here. You're hearing about them now because: 1. They're in less fear about coming out than ever before. 2. Communications technology is better than ever before. 3. Improved communications around the subject have allowed us to develop a toolbox of words and terms for things that have always existed. 4. Sadly, the political right is whipping up hysteria about them to use as a manufactured "culture war" wedge issue going forward. Rest assured, if they succeed in the oppression of trans people, they're coming after gay people, non-white people and women next. The responses of some of the people in this thread are testament to how successful their fearmongering operations have already been. Trying to derail things by making false equivalences over "I want to be indentified as [an attack helicopter / Pussy Destroyer 9000 / something else childish] is pathetic. It achieves nothing but demonstrating your selfishness and lack of respect for the wellbeing of others. Grow up. One question I would like the people who are "hesitant", "cautious", "critical", or "just asking questions" about the rights and existence of trans people... how many "out" trans people are you, personally, actually friends with? Or are you getting all of your impressions, feelings and opinions on the subject from the media? TL;DR: I stand with trans people. I'm not the world's best ally, but I'm going to keep trying. Down with bullies, bigots and bastards of all stripes. " Well stick to trans section and do not conflate with gay people as no one invited you to interfere and speak on LBGT’s behalf. Do-gooders like you do more harm than good, so maybe take heed and listen to what this actual marginalised individual from a long-persecuted minority is telling you. Stop screaming, shouting and moralising on our behalf, you are causing just as much damage with the silent majority that the genuine harder right wingers can | |||
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"Right, I'm going to stop quoting folk, because I have no interest in getting sucked into arguments with individuals. Being marginalised yourself is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for problematic behviour towards other marginalised people. Other people's rights are not dependent on how nice they are towards you. Trying to be a better person, and encouraging others to be better people to, is not "virtual signalling". That's a snarl term used to try to shut down people who are actually trying to make the world better for everyone. I'm not perfect and I don't pretend to be; I'm a white cishet male with all the privileges that entails. But I'm learning, all the time, and trying to do better. It's not as difficult to be a decent person doing the right thing as you think it is. Puberty blockers are harmless and puberty just resumes if you change your mind and stop taking them. Stop forcing people who already know they're trans to grow into bodies that will cause them all the miseries of dysphoria. People across the spectrum of gender identities have not "suddenly" appeared. They've always been here. You're hearing about them now because: 1. They're in less fear about coming out than ever before. 2. Communications technology is better than ever before. 3. Improved communications around the subject have allowed us to develop a toolbox of words and terms for things that have always existed. 4. Sadly, the political right is whipping up hysteria about them to use as a manufactured "culture war" wedge issue going forward. Rest assured, if they succeed in the oppression of trans people, they're coming after gay people, non-white people and women next. The responses of some of the people in this thread are testament to how successful their fearmongering operations have already been. Trying to derail things by making false equivalences over "I want to be indentified as [an attack helicopter / Pussy Destroyer 9000 / something else childish] is pathetic. It achieves nothing but demonstrating your selfishness and lack of respect for the wellbeing of others. Grow up. One question I would like the people who are "hesitant", "cautious", "critical", or "just asking questions" about the rights and existence of trans people... how many "out" trans people are you, personally, actually friends with? Or are you getting all of your impressions, feelings and opinions on the subject from the media? TL;DR: I stand with trans people. I'm not the world's best ally, but I'm going to keep trying. Down with bullies, bigots and bastards of all stripes. Well stick to trans section and do not conflate with gay people as no one invited you to interfere and speak on LBGT’s behalf. Do-gooders like you do more harm than good, so maybe take heed and listen to what this actual marginalised individual from a long-persecuted minority is telling you. Stop screaming, shouting and moralising on our behalf, you are causing just as much damage with the silent majority that the genuine harder right wingers can "Wow! You don’t speak for LGBTQ either, you only speak for yourself and your attitude is very different from the majority | |||
"Right, I'm going to stop quoting folk, because I have no interest in getting sucked into arguments with individuals. Being marginalised yourself is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for problematic behviour towards other marginalised people. Other people's rights are not dependent on how nice they are towards you. Trying to be a better person, and encouraging others to be better people to, is not "virtual signalling". That's a snarl term used to try to shut down people who are actually trying to make the world better for everyone. I'm not perfect and I don't pretend to be; I'm a white cishet male with all the privileges that entails. But I'm learning, all the time, and trying to do better. It's not as difficult to be a decent person doing the right thing as you think it is. Puberty blockers are harmless and puberty just resumes if you change your mind and stop taking them. Stop forcing people who already know they're trans to grow into bodies that will cause them all the miseries of dysphoria. People across the spectrum of gender identities have not "suddenly" appeared. They've always been here. You're hearing about them now because: 1. They're in less fear about coming out than ever before. 2. Communications technology is better than ever before. 3. Improved communications around the subject have allowed us to develop a toolbox of words and terms for things that have always existed. 4. Sadly, the political right is whipping up hysteria about them to use as a manufactured "culture war" wedge issue going forward. Rest assured, if they succeed in the oppression of trans people, they're coming after gay people, non-white people and women next. The responses of some of the people in this thread are testament to how successful their fearmongering operations have already been. Trying to derail things by making false equivalences over "I want to be indentified as [an attack helicopter / Pussy Destroyer 9000 / something else childish] is pathetic. It achieves nothing but demonstrating your selfishness and lack of respect for the wellbeing of others. Grow up. One question I would like the people who are "hesitant", "cautious", "critical", or "just asking questions" about the rights and existence of trans people... how many "out" trans people are you, personally, actually friends with? Or are you getting all of your impressions, feelings and opinions on the subject from the media? TL;DR: I stand with trans people. I'm not the world's best ally, but I'm going to keep trying. Down with bullies, bigots and bastards of all stripes. Well stick to trans section and do not conflate with gay people as no one invited you to interfere and speak on LBGT’s behalf. Do-gooders like you do more harm than good, so maybe take heed and listen to what this actual marginalised individual from a long-persecuted minority is telling you. Stop screaming, shouting and moralising on our behalf, you are causing just as much damage with the silent majority that the genuine harder right wingers can
Wow!
You don’t speak for LGBTQ either, you only speak for yourself and your attitude is very different from the majority "Actually you are wrong, I have come across a hell of a lot of people who think how I do. You have female partners, kids, swing on the straight scenes mainly. I have been around LGBT for 25 years, trust me had a lot of conversations and have a lot of contacts. You can keep living in your bubble, we will have to agree to disagree | |||
"Right, I'm going to stop quoting folk, because I have no interest in getting sucked into arguments with individuals. Being marginalised yourself is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for problematic behviour towards other marginalised people. Other people's rights are not dependent on how nice they are towards you. Trying to be a better person, and encouraging others to be better people to, is not "virtual signalling". That's a snarl term used to try to shut down people who are actually trying to make the world better for everyone. I'm not perfect and I don't pretend to be; I'm a white cishet male with all the privileges that entails. But I'm learning, all the time, and trying to do better. It's not as difficult to be a decent person doing the right thing as you think it is. Puberty blockers are harmless and puberty just resumes if you change your mind and stop taking them. Stop forcing people who already know they're trans to grow into bodies that will cause them all the miseries of dysphoria. People across the spectrum of gender identities have not "suddenly" appeared. They've always been here. You're hearing about them now because: 1. They're in less fear about coming out than ever before. 2. Communications technology is better than ever before. 3. Improved communications around the subject have allowed us to develop a toolbox of words and terms for things that have always existed. 4. Sadly, the political right is whipping up hysteria about them to use as a manufactured "culture war" wedge issue going forward. Rest assured, if they succeed in the oppression of trans people, they're coming after gay people, non-white people and women next. The responses of some of the people in this thread are testament to how successful their fearmongering operations have already been. Trying to derail things by making false equivalences over "I want to be indentified as [an attack helicopter / Pussy Destroyer 9000 / something else childish] is pathetic. It achieves nothing but demonstrating your selfishness and lack of respect for the wellbeing of others. Grow up. One question I would like the people who are "hesitant", "cautious", "critical", or "just asking questions" about the rights and existence of trans people... how many "out" trans people are you, personally, actually friends with? Or are you getting all of your impressions, feelings and opinions on the subject from the media? TL;DR: I stand with trans people. I'm not the world's best ally, but I'm going to keep trying. Down with bullies, bigots and bastards of all stripes. " Thank you so much! This is well put x x x | |||
"Right, I'm going to stop quoting folk, because I have no interest in getting sucked into arguments with individuals. Being marginalised yourself is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for problematic behviour towards other marginalised people. Other people's rights are not dependent on how nice they are towards you. Trying to be a better person, and encouraging others to be better people to, is not "virtual signalling". That's a snarl term used to try to shut down people who are actually trying to make the world better for everyone. I'm not perfect and I don't pretend to be; I'm a white cishet male with all the privileges that entails. But I'm learning, all the time, and trying to do better. It's not as difficult to be a decent person doing the right thing as you think it is. Puberty blockers are harmless and puberty just resumes if you change your mind and stop taking them. Stop forcing people who already know they're trans to grow into bodies that will cause them all the miseries of dysphoria. People across the spectrum of gender identities have not "suddenly" appeared. They've always been here. You're hearing about them now because: 1. They're in less fear about coming out than ever before. 2. Communications technology is better than ever before. 3. Improved communications around the subject have allowed us to develop a toolbox of words and terms for things that have always existed. 4. Sadly, the political right is whipping up hysteria about them to use as a manufactured "culture war" wedge issue going forward. Rest assured, if they succeed in the oppression of trans people, they're coming after gay people, non-white people and women next. The responses of some of the people in this thread are testament to how successful their fearmongering operations have already been. Trying to derail things by making false equivalences over "I want to be indentified as [an attack helicopter / Pussy Destroyer 9000 / something else childish] is pathetic. It achieves nothing but demonstrating your selfishness and lack of respect for the wellbeing of others. Grow up. One question I would like the people who are "hesitant", "cautious", "critical", or "just asking questions" about the rights and existence of trans people... how many "out" trans people are you, personally, actually friends with? Or are you getting all of your impressions, feelings and opinions on the subject from the media? TL;DR: I stand with trans people. I'm not the world's best ally, but I'm going to keep trying. Down with bullies, bigots and bastards of all stripes. Well stick to trans section and do not conflate with gay people as no one invited you to interfere and speak on LBGT’s behalf. Do-gooders like you do more harm than good, so maybe take heed and listen to what this actual marginalised individual from a long-persecuted minority is telling you. Stop screaming, shouting and moralising on our behalf, you are causing just as much damage with the silent majority that the genuine harder right wingers can
Wow!
You don’t speak for LGBTQ either, you only speak for yourself and your attitude is very different from the majority
Actually you are wrong, I have come across a hell of a lot of people who think how I do. You have female partners, kids, swing on the straight scenes mainly. I have been around LGBT for 25 years, trust me had a lot of conversations and have a lot of contacts. You can keep living in your bubble, we will have to agree to disagree "Don’t start waving your LGBTQ credentials around like it matters how long, how much abuse you’ve had or who you talk to. I know people, I’m in circles too and you don’t know my life so don’t you dare to assume to judge me with your small attitude and entitled opinion just because you’re gay. You’ve just proved everything that I’ve said to you and more some. Your attitude is worst than most cis het people as at least they have no basis for understanding, you just choose to be callous and ignorant. You don’t speak for anyone but yourself so don’t dare to claim the high ground on anything. | |||
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"Right, I'm going to stop quoting folk, because I have no interest in getting sucked into arguments with individuals. Being marginalised yourself is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for problematic behviour towards other marginalised people. Other people's rights are not dependent on how nice they are towards you. Trying to be a better person, and encouraging others to be better people to, is not "virtual signalling". That's a snarl term used to try to shut down people who are actually trying to make the world better for everyone. I'm not perfect and I don't pretend to be; I'm a white cishet male with all the privileges that entails. But I'm learning, all the time, and trying to do better. It's not as difficult to be a decent person doing the right thing as you think it is. Puberty blockers are harmless and puberty just resumes if you change your mind and stop taking them. Stop forcing people who already know they're trans to grow into bodies that will cause them all the miseries of dysphoria. People across the spectrum of gender identities have not "suddenly" appeared. They've always been here. You're hearing about them now because: 1. They're in less fear about coming out than ever before. 2. Communications technology is better than ever before. 3. Improved communications around the subject have allowed us to develop a toolbox of words and terms for things that have always existed. 4. Sadly, the political right is whipping up hysteria about them to use as a manufactured "culture war" wedge issue going forward. Rest assured, if they succeed in the oppression of trans people, they're coming after gay people, non-white people and women next. The responses of some of the people in this thread are testament to how successful their fearmongering operations have already been. Trying to derail things by making false equivalences over "I want to be indentified as [an attack helicopter / Pussy Destroyer 9000 / something else childish] is pathetic. It achieves nothing but demonstrating your selfishness and lack of respect for the wellbeing of others. Grow up. One question I would like the people who are "hesitant", "cautious", "critical", or "just asking questions" about the rights and existence of trans people... how many "out" trans people are you, personally, actually friends with? Or are you getting all of your impressions, feelings and opinions on the subject from the media? TL;DR: I stand with trans people. I'm not the world's best ally, but I'm going to keep trying. Down with bullies, bigots and bastards of all stripes. "  | |||
"Down with bullies, bigots and bastards of all stripes. "Can I get this put on a shirt, tote bag and key chain! | |||
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"I just think this is too confusing for kids, it should be age-appropriate
It always is age appropriate but it’s actually not confusing for kids, they accept things very easily and it’s just normal for them.
It’s adults that struggle.
Tell a child “sometimes a man loves a man” or “sometimes boys are born as girls or the other way round and need help to swap” and they just go “oooh! That’s why that happens, ok” and run off.
I know that happens because I’ve done it with mine
Exactly, but *some* adults think there’s an agenda and that we are actually converting kids into wanting to confuse them….
None ever told me anything apart from the standard boys will be boys, girls will be girls. Prince marries princess.
And still, I felt wrong at the age of 4-5. Explain that I just didn’t know how to word it but I knew full well I wasn’t right in the body I was given. And for years I was made to feel ashamed by that and was often told “you are boy, stop acting like a girl… you are not a girl”
I follow a wonderful (as far as I know) family on tiktok who live in America and have an autistic adopted child. They let them live, dress, identify etc as they wish to be. Most often it's in dresses and long hair and the beam on their face is amazing. They are only 6 I believe. They go to Disney a lot and they are always dressed in the princess or female lead costumes. The character cast are amazing with them.
It's beautiful "This is so nice. And as said, if it wasn’t for society and the social construct of how we are meant to behave. I know for a fact I’d have transitioned “naturally” into a girl early on. I’ve been told by someone I know they went to Polinesia and this village had some trans girls and they had a name for them. And she asked what does it mean. And it literally meant “girls who were boys” . Not in a derogatory way, but they were expecting that every family might have one kid that would become trans basically and it was totally normalised. Like she told they’d look at it so normal! Because they have a different social construct to us where we get told boys will be boys, girls will be girls. | |||
"I just think this is too confusing for kids, it should be age-appropriate
It always is age appropriate but it’s actually not confusing for kids, they accept things very easily and it’s just normal for them.
It’s adults that struggle.
Tell a child “sometimes a man loves a man” or “sometimes boys are born as girls or the other way round and need help to swap” and they just go “oooh! That’s why that happens, ok” and run off.
I know that happens because I’ve done it with mine
Exactly, but *some* adults think there’s an agenda and that we are actually converting kids into wanting to confuse them….
None ever told me anything apart from the standard boys will be boys, girls will be girls. Prince marries princess.
And still, I felt wrong at the age of 4-5. Explain that I just didn’t know how to word it but I knew full well I wasn’t right in the body I was given. And for years I was made to feel ashamed by that and was often told “you are boy, stop acting like a girl… you are not a girl”
I follow a wonderful (as far as I know) family on tiktok who live in America and have an autistic adopted child. They let them live, dress, identify etc as they wish to be. Most often it's in dresses and long hair and the beam on their face is amazing. They are only 6 I believe. They go to Disney a lot and they are always dressed in the princess or female lead costumes. The character cast are amazing with them.
It's beautiful
This is so nice. And as said, if it wasn’t for society and the social construct of how we are meant to behave. I know for a fact I’d have transitioned “naturally” into a girl early on.
I’ve been told by someone I know they went to Polinesia and this village had some trans girls and they had a name for them. And she asked what does it mean. And it literally meant “girls who were boys” . Not in a derogatory way, but they were expecting that every family might have one kid that would become trans basically and it was totally normalised. Like she told they’d look at it so normal! Because they have a different social construct to us where we get told boys will be boys, girls will be girls. "Yes. A lot of other cultures have what is termed as a third gender, and sometimes more. Another thing I learnt from tiktok | |||
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"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x" Preach! *snaps* | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x Preach! *snaps* "Girrrrl Xxxx | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x" The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them " Thanks I do xxx And will xx People will change the thread to suit themselves the same people xx Being gay has nothing to do with being trans xxx | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them " What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them " The hypocrisy in this stance is hideous. You expect others to live by your limited understanding of the world and ignore anyone else’s wishes or experiences that are contrary to yours just because you don’t want to use a different pronoun or name | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them " Force  | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected "No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them " Huni nobody is forcing you How would you react if a family member of yours was trans??? | |||
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"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over "And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful. | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them " I ask nothing from you that I don’t offer you in return. Common courtesy, that all. You wouldn’t like everyone to call you something you’re not, I’m sure. Well I don’t like it either. That’s all I ask; to be called my my legal name and gender. The ones on my birth certificate. I’m sure if your sister got married you’d happily call her Mrs whatever her new name was. If you slipped up and used the old one you’d swiftly correct yourself. | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful."Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them I ask nothing from you that I don’t offer you in return. Common courtesy, that all. You wouldn’t like everyone to call you something you’re not, I’m sure. Well I don’t like it either. That’s all I ask; to be called my my legal name and gender. The ones on my birth certificate. I’m sure if your sister got married you’d happily call her Mrs whatever her new name was. If you slipped up and used the old one you’d swiftly correct yourself. " | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns "We do | |||
"Kylie was just highlighting what's it like to be trans nothing more nothing less no hidden agenda." Thanks hun, and they will never have a tiny idea what we go through (not our choice btw) and the conflicts with ourselves for years. All we say is that we just want some basic respect, and a good support from institutions for the ones who feel they have to transition. | |||
"Kylie was just highlighting what's it like to be trans nothing more nothing less no hidden agenda. Thanks hun, and they will never have a tiny idea what we go through (not our choice btw) and the conflicts with ourselves for years. All we say is that we just want some basic respect, and a good support from institutions for the ones who feel they have to transition. " Xxxxx | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns "No, you don’t care about them. There’s a huge difference there. I sincerely hope that when you grow up and have children, that you don’t have to deal with this situation. You’ll end up hurting a lot of people | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns "Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile? | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?"Hahaha | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
Hahaha "It’s only words. No one cares. | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns "I DO! At my very early stage of transitioning it used to make me almost cry when they referred to me as a boy or he or mate. Because it was creating so much dysphoria in my head I could barely breathe. And I’m not even done yet with my whole journey as I want to go through gender reassignment etc But still. Just because you don’t care if I start calling you a IT , or a SHE. this shit really hurts us. | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns "Not everyone is strong doesn't bother me but some are sensitive it's like saying are you a convincing man just respect people. | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
Hahaha
It’s only words. No one cares. "Exactly. Just words!
I’m glad you are here to save the day ha | |||
"Has anyone been yesterday ? I think it’s nice to have people voice the problems that the trans community have to go through still every day. But I think things are slowly changing I am hoping for a future where it becomes normalised and there’s no stigma around people who wish to transition (+ the people who end up dating trans as it trickles down to everything) Also more funding for NHS about girls/boys who feel literally trap in the wrong body and wish to transition. It’s scandalous how through the NHS it takes years to even have appointments for HRT. I had to go private to speed it up, as I was internally doing my journey for years anyway. But once i dealt with my internal things, there was no way I’d wait another 2-3 years for them to even consider giving me appointments. Any thoughts on what’s more to do and views on the subject? "I do empathise and I must say you are stunning xx | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
Hahaha
It’s only words. No one cares.
Exactly. Just words!
I’m glad you are here to save the day ha "
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"Has anyone been yesterday ? I think it’s nice to have people voice the problems that the trans community have to go through still every day. But I think things are slowly changing I am hoping for a future where it becomes normalised and there’s no stigma around people who wish to transition (+ the people who end up dating trans as it trickles down to everything) Also more funding for NHS about girls/boys who feel literally trap in the wrong body and wish to transition. It’s scandalous how through the NHS it takes years to even have appointments for HRT. I had to go private to speed it up, as I was internally doing my journey for years anyway. But once i dealt with my internal things, there was no way I’d wait another 2-3 years for them to even consider giving me appointments. Any thoughts on what’s more to do and views on the subject?
I do empathise and I must say you are stunning xx"How do you empathise??? | |||
"Has anyone been yesterday ? I think it’s nice to have people voice the problems that the trans community have to go through still every day. But I think things are slowly changing I am hoping for a future where it becomes normalised and there’s no stigma around people who wish to transition (+ the people who end up dating trans as it trickles down to everything) Also more funding for NHS about girls/boys who feel literally trap in the wrong body and wish to transition. It’s scandalous how through the NHS it takes years to even have appointments for HRT. I had to go private to speed it up, as I was internally doing my journey for years anyway. But once i dealt with my internal things, there was no way I’d wait another 2-3 years for them to even consider giving me appointments. Any thoughts on what’s more to do and views on the subject?
I do empathise and I must say you are stunning xx"Thanks u! I appreciate and that makes a whole world of different when men (people in general to be correct) say that you do empathise. Cos that’s how maybe with empathy we can start coming towards each other | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?"They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it? | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it? "I think the pint is that you’ve already been introduced as a former paedophile, the hurt is already done irrelevant of the fact you can choose not to be their friend anymore | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it? "And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you. Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
"Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world. And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic"Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word? | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic"it’s a parallel…. As some trans girls get the finger in their town for being trans and they are known and looked down for it and get misgendered and reminded that “you are just a man in a dress” It was to try and make it simple for you so you could maybe understand. Guess I was wrong Dick. | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word? "I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word?
I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings"Would you be friends with a transwomen?? | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word?
I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings"The facts, the science, the biology supports and proves you’re wrong. I am female. Why does that bother you so much you feel the need to try to say it’s some sort of idealism? It’s not idealism. It’s medical facts. | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word?
I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings
The facts, the science, the biology supports and proves you’re wrong.
I am female. Why does that bother you so much you feel the need to try to say it’s some sort of idealism?
It’s not idealism. It’s medical facts. "Jesus christ, I have been saying all this time. I don't care about you Why you keep thinking it's all about you? | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word?
I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings
The facts, the science, the biology supports and proves you’re wrong.
I am female. Why does that bother you so much you feel the need to try to say it’s some sort of idealism?
It’s not idealism. It’s medical facts.
Jesus christ, I have been saying all this time. I don't care about you Why you keep thinking it's all about you? "Its clearly pointless carrying on the “talks” with you | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word?
I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings
The facts, the science, the biology supports and proves you’re wrong.
I am female. Why does that bother you so much you feel the need to try to say it’s some sort of idealism?
It’s not idealism. It’s medical facts.
Jesus christ, I have been saying all this time. I don't care about you Why you keep thinking it's all about you?
Its clearly pointless carrying on the “talks” with you "yeah because, you keep changing the topic to yourself. I keep talking how it affects others and you should not force others, but you keep going back only how you feel and how you should be treated. IDK, maybe it's just a lack of attention? | |||
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"Down with bullies, bigots and bastards of all stripes.
Can I get this put on a shirt, tote bag and key chain! "I'll buy that shirt, bag, key chain if you start selling them! | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word?
I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings
The facts, the science, the biology supports and proves you’re wrong.
I am female. Why does that bother you so much you feel the need to try to say it’s some sort of idealism?
It’s not idealism. It’s medical facts.
Jesus christ, I have been saying all this time. I don't care about you Why you keep thinking it's all about you?
Its clearly pointless carrying on the “talks” with you
yeah because, you keep changing the topic to yourself. I keep talking how it affects others and you should not force others, but you keep going back only how you feel and how you should be treated. IDK, maybe it's just a lack of attention?"You’re not the spokesperson for others and how they feel though, you don’t actually know, you’re projecting your attitude onto others. You’re only talking for yourself and you’re ignoring everybody else. Do you ignore what everyone else is doing or wants in life too? If a partner asks for a drink do you tell them that you don’t agree as you don’t recognise her feelings? At some point there has to be a baseline of respect for you in there, I don’t believe that you’re actually this arrogant and self-centred as you’re saying | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word?
I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings
The facts, the science, the biology supports and proves you’re wrong.
I am female. Why does that bother you so much you feel the need to try to say it’s some sort of idealism?
It’s not idealism. It’s medical facts.
Jesus christ, I have been saying all this time. I don't care about you Why you keep thinking it's all about you?
Its clearly pointless carrying on the “talks” with you
yeah because, you keep changing the topic to yourself. I keep talking how it affects others and you should not force others, but you keep going back only how you feel and how you should be treated. IDK, maybe it's just a lack of attention?
You’re not the spokesperson for others and how they feel though, you don’t actually know, you’re projecting your attitude onto others.
You’re only talking for yourself and you’re ignoring everybody else.
Do you ignore what everyone else is doing or wants in life too? If a partner asks for a drink do you tell them that you don’t agree as you don’t recognise her feelings?
At some point there has to be a baseline of respect for you in there, I don’t believe that you’re actually this arrogant and self-centred as you’re saying "It is difficult to talk with you because you keep making stuff up. Im not a spokeperson on other's feelings, as you can I said mutliple times, I don't care how they feel. Can you understand this, im saying this like 5th time here. It's is not about me, it is not about trans, it is about people in general who are being forced to follow the ideas and people who can involuntarily be affected . You keep going back to your feeling and my feelings and I'm just talking about it in general It is like you are making stuff up that I didn't say | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word?
I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings
The facts, the science, the biology supports and proves you’re wrong.
I am female. Why does that bother you so much you feel the need to try to say it’s some sort of idealism?
It’s not idealism. It’s medical facts.
Jesus christ, I have been saying all this time. I don't care about you Why you keep thinking it's all about you? "You’ve decided to post your idealistic rubbish on a thread about trans people. You clearly do care. | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word?
I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings
The facts, the science, the biology supports and proves you’re wrong.
I am female. Why does that bother you so much you feel the need to try to say it’s some sort of idealism?
It’s not idealism. It’s medical facts.
Jesus christ, I have been saying all this time. I don't care about you Why you keep thinking it's all about you?
Its clearly pointless carrying on the “talks” with you
yeah because, you keep changing the topic to yourself. I keep talking how it affects others and you should not force others, but you keep going back only how you feel and how you should be treated. IDK, maybe it's just a lack of attention?
You’re not the spokesperson for others and how they feel though, you don’t actually know, you’re projecting your attitude onto others.
You’re only talking for yourself and you’re ignoring everybody else.
Do you ignore what everyone else is doing or wants in life too? If a partner asks for a drink do you tell them that you don’t agree as you don’t recognise her feelings?
At some point there has to be a baseline of respect for you in there, I don’t believe that you’re actually this arrogant and self-centred as you’re saying " | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word?
I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings
The facts, the science, the biology supports and proves you’re wrong.
I am female. Why does that bother you so much you feel the need to try to say it’s some sort of idealism?
It’s not idealism. It’s medical facts.
Jesus christ, I have been saying all this time. I don't care about you Why you keep thinking it's all about you?
You’ve decided to post your idealistic rubbish on a thread about trans people. You clearly do care. "Yeah, about the majority of the population | |||
"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word?
I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings
The facts, the science, the biology supports and proves you’re wrong.
I am female. Why does that bother you so much you feel the need to try to say it’s some sort of idealism?
It’s not idealism. It’s medical facts.
Jesus christ, I have been saying all this time. I don't care about you Why you keep thinking it's all about you?
You’ve decided to post your idealistic rubbish on a thread about trans people. You clearly do care.
Yeah, about the majority of the population "Which you don’t speak for. You keep talking about the majority of all these people, none of which you’re speaking for, you’re just speaking for yourself. You keep accusing others of making it about them but that’s all you’re doing; talking from your opinion about something that you’re deeply ignorant of. It’s incredible how ignorant you are even of basic understanding | |||
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"Everybody has an opinion about been trans It's easy When you are not actually trans Try walking in our heels We were born this way x The whole thread is funny. I keep saying you can do whatever you want and live however you want, but dont try to force people to follow your ideas.. aaaand they took it personally, it's all about them What does that even mean force people to follow our ideas? Like asking to be respected? Is that following our ideas??
I’m not asking you to come to bed with me. I’m just asking to be heard and be respected
No, the whole idea with children and gender pronouns. Keep telling you this over and over
And I keep telling you. If people end up misgendering on PURPOSE because they want to, then it’s disrespectful.
Yeah, probably because nobody cares about those pronouns
Would you mind if, when your friend introduced you to someone new, they said this is my friend MrRightly, he used to be a paedophile?
They can, although I can choose not to be friends with them anymore. Thats how the world works isnt it?
And then you get to be known in your town as the paedo and that’s how people refer to you everywhere you go, and majority of people look at you with them eyes of “HEs the paedo” and you know that that’s how they are looking at you.
Things would quickly make you change the way you view. Just words
Jesus christ people, you live in an imaginary world. You made up a stupid scenario and trying to spin around it. This actually even happens in the real world.
And what you want me to say? just pretend it doesnt happen, so that I would follow your pronoun ideology? 0 Logic
Or….. just stop being a dick lol didn’t your mum ever tell you that if you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all? If you’re unwilling to discuss it and open your mind or educate yourself then why try and upset people for no reason at all other than to push your own opinion on a crowd that clearly disagrees with you? Just take the hit and move on? You won’t cease to exist if you don’t have the last word?
I love how you use word educate, but in reality you are just saying follow our ideas or you are uneducated. Just dont say anything that upsets you facts over feelings
The facts, the science, the biology supports and proves you’re wrong.
I am female. Why does that bother you so much you feel the need to try to say it’s some sort of idealism?
It’s not idealism. It’s medical facts.
Jesus christ, I have been saying all this time. I don't care about you Why you keep thinking it's all about you?
You’ve decided to post your idealistic rubbish on a thread about trans people. You clearly do care.
Yeah, about the majority of the population "That’s fine. So you don’t care about trans people so why post on a trans thread? As per site rules ; just stay away. | |||
"A lot of fun talking with delusional people not living in a real world,but at one point you will have to think about other people and not only about your feelings "You’re behaving very much like a troll. ‘Having fun’ by saying things you probably know are wrong just for effect. You need to grow up. This isn’t a playground. | |||
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"Fuck me, this chod still harping on?" Literally like turning into them Brexiteers troll… oh wait shit . | |||
"A lot of fun talking with delusional people not living in a real world,but at one point you will have to think about other people and not only about your feelings "I think that he’s starting to understand! It’s the thinking about others that is the point and what you’re not doing. | |||
"Has anyone been yesterday ? I think it’s nice to have people voice the problems that the trans community have to go through still every day. But I think things are slowly changing I am hoping for a future where it becomes normalised and there’s no stigma around people who wish to transition (+ the people who end up dating trans as it trickles down to everything) Also more funding for NHS about girls/boys who feel literally trap in the wrong body and wish to transition. It’s scandalous how through the NHS it takes years to even have appointments for HRT. I had to go private to speed it up, as I was internally doing my journey for years anyway. But once i dealt with my internal things, there was no way I’d wait another 2-3 years for them to even consider giving me appointments. Any thoughts on what’s more to do and views on the subject?
I do empathise and I must say you are stunning xx
How do you empathise???"I don't judge anyone | |||
