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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Seems the next attack on choice and liberty will be to extend the ban on smoking in pubs to all outside areas for bars, cafes and restaurants…
Is this a necessary reaction to post covid where more use of outside space is shared or a step too far by the nanny state? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a reformed smoker, I see both sides of argument...but I see no harm in going outside for a cheeky fag ...no beer garden, then go out front of pub and have one there |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"As a smoker I don’t see it as a problem especially if the venue is serving food, just pop out the front instead away from others. "
That’ll be banned too. Proposals being discussed are all outside areas linked to the license. |
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"As a smoker I don’t see it as a problem especially if the venue is serving food, just pop out the front instead away from others.
That’ll be banned too. Proposals being discussed are all outside areas linked to the license. "
Well a little walk or a good reason to cut down. Just go with the flow, we are the minority after all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Does this include vaping as well as smoking?
No idea tbh.
But I can’t see how one is less annoying than the other in an outside space. "
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/02/english-councils-start-banning-smoking-outside-pubs-and-restaurants
They just mention tobacco smoking. Are they going to ban annoying children as well?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Does this include vaping as well as smoking?
No idea tbh.
But I can’t see how one is less annoying than the other in an outside space.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/02/english-councils-start-banning-smoking-outside-pubs-and-restaurants
They just mention tobacco smoking. Are they going to ban annoying children as well? "
I hope so!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why is your choice to pollute your lungs more important than my lung health? (devil's advocate argument, I don't really give a shit  ) "
The air you are breathing is not clean anyway. Think about all the particulate matter you are constantly breathing in.
And in the words of Bill Hicks 'non-smokers die too'. |
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"Does this include vaping as well as smoking?
No idea tbh.
But I can’t see how one is less annoying than the other in an outside space.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/02/english-councils-start-banning-smoking-outside-pubs-and-restaurants
They just mention tobacco smoking. Are they going to ban annoying children as well?
I hope so!! "
Id happily spend more time in beer gardens if they banned children along with smoking & vaping  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why is your choice to pollute your lungs more important than my lung health? (devil's advocate argument, I don't really give a shit ) "
Not sure who’s choice you’re referring to.
But blanket bans on outside space seems a bit OTT. There should be some element of choice for the individual that the market is free to cater for. |
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"Why is your choice to pollute your lungs more important than my lung health? (devil's advocate argument, I don't really give a shit )
Not sure who’s choice you’re referring to.
But blanket bans on outside space seems a bit OTT. There should be some element of choice for the individual that the market is free to cater for. "
The article shared explains the proposals by some councils, or what is already in place, it’s not a complete ban just certain venues/areas. The government paper isn’t due until later in the year and the talk of becoming a smoke free country in most areas has been under discussion for years, this is just the next step of it |
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"Why is your choice to pollute your lungs more important than my lung health? (devil's advocate argument, I don't really give a shit )
The air you are breathing is not clean anyway. Think about all the particulate matter you are constantly breathing in.
And in the words of Bill Hicks 'non-smokers die too'."
That's not really a great argument though is it. We all have to breathe the same polluted air. Why should someone be allowed to pollute mine even more by blowing smoke around me?
Smoke if you want but accept you can't do it everywhere.
In Disney world there are designated smoking areas. You aren't allowed to smoke anywhere else in the park even though the majority of space is open. |
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"Why is your choice to pollute your lungs more important than my lung health? (devil's advocate argument, I don't really give a shit )
Not sure who’s choice you’re referring to.
But blanket bans on outside space seems a bit OTT. There should be some element of choice for the individual that the market is free to cater for. "
The choice you referred to in your opening post  |
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Also, at my local premiership rugby club ground you are not allowed to smoke in the ground itself.... You have to go stand the other side of a mesh fence which makes sod all difference
Although I guess your not forced to sit next to someone chuffing 20 fags a match so that's a bonus |
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By *reya73Woman
over a year ago
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Get it gone!
There are always places to smoke. Just please not around me or my children.
I have been a smoker. I always smoked away from others even when smoking was allowed indoors.
Hopefully, if it is more tricky, smokers will smoke less on a day or night out? That's gotta be a good thing all round xxx
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"Haven't pubs suffered enough?.
I'm a licensee... nuff said! 
With a further smoking ban?
Surely more non smokers would frequent beer gardens in the summer, if we're not breathing in smoke? "
I can’t see there being many non smokers who won’t go in a beer garden outside because there may be a couple of smokers out there to be honest. I can see smokers not bothering going though if they banned it. Pubs will suffer for sure if this happens. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why is your choice to pollute your lungs more important than my lung health? (devil's advocate argument, I don't really give a shit )
Not sure who’s choice you’re referring to.
But blanket bans on outside space seems a bit OTT. There should be some element of choice for the individual that the market is free to cater for.
The choice you referred to in your opening post "
Choice I was referring to was that the increased banning of spaces where smokers can indulge in a social setting. Choice of venue. Not choice of whether to smoke or not.
For example making a ban on outside smoking optional and let the market decide. Non smokers and smokers would have a choice.
PS Don’t smoke so don’t really give too hoots. But Not a big fan of banning things. Why not ban burgers and alcohol if health is really the concern. Obesity kills more than smoking these days. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why is your choice to pollute your lungs more important than my lung health? (devil's advocate argument, I don't really give a shit )
The air you are breathing is not clean anyway. Think about all the particulate matter you are constantly breathing in.
And in the words of Bill Hicks 'non-smokers die too'.
That's not really a great argument though is it. We all have to breathe the same polluted air. Why should someone be allowed to pollute mine even more by blowing smoke around me?
Smoke if you want but accept you can't do it everywhere.
In Disney world there are designated smoking areas. You aren't allowed to smoke anywhere else in the park even though the majority of space is open. "
It's all I could come up with at short notice. I used to smoke and I hated really smoky pubs. I now vape. What I vape doesn't smell much or produce plumes of vapour. I'd be able to do it in a toilet cubicle without too much bother. Done it before. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Havnt at least 1 Council banned all smoking outside, everywhere? As a trial.
Where am I supposed to go for a fag if this happens across the country? I mostly smoke outside on my doorstep. Not turning my house walls yellow with the shit so I do it outside. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Haven't pubs suffered enough?.
I'm a licensee... nuff said!
With a further smoking ban?
Surely more non smokers would frequent beer gardens in the summer, if we're not breathing in smoke? "
I went through the original smoking ban in the pub trade... it shut upto 65 pubs a week... no! Whilst i agree with no smoking areas, i also agree with outside should have designated areas, not just a total blanket ban and stuff a lot of people!
This year has been hard enough on our trade, lots more gone due to it. Lets face it, its almost like the powers up high just dont want pubs anymore! Its smoke free inside and also eating areas within the garden....
Give us lot a break! |
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"Haven't pubs suffered enough?.
I'm a licensee... nuff said!
With a further smoking ban?
Surely more non smokers would frequent beer gardens in the summer, if we're not breathing in smoke?
I can’t see there being many non smokers who won’t go in a beer garden outside because there may be a couple of smokers out there to be honest. I can see smokers not bothering going though if they banned it. Pubs will suffer for sure if this happens. "
I won't Nora. But would smokers really stay away, too, if they couldn't smoke? Presumably they'd only need to walk a few feet to be able to smoke outside? X |
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I don't go out often as it is.
I'd certainly not bother if I couldn't go for a fag.
I don't smoke in the street when the kids are ebmntering or leaving school, if I'm passing children in the street I cross the road.
Not all smokers are inconsiderate arseholes, although it really fucks me off when people don't use ashtrays provided and think the floor is one giant ashtray. |
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"Havnt at least 1 Council banned all smoking outside, everywhere? As a trial.
Where am I supposed to go for a fag if this happens across the country? I mostly smoke outside on my doorstep. Not turning my house walls yellow with the shit so I do it outside."
As far as I am aware it’s a few councils for outside space / pavements at pubs, restaurants and cafes and not a blanket outdoor ban. However there are bans in place in many outdoor areas already and has been for years. |
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"Haven't pubs suffered enough?.
I'm a licensee... nuff said!
With a further smoking ban?
Surely more non smokers would frequent beer gardens in the summer, if we're not breathing in smoke?
I can’t see there being many non smokers who won’t go in a beer garden outside because there may be a couple of smokers out there to be honest. I can see smokers not bothering going though if they banned it. Pubs will suffer for sure if this happens.
I won't Nora. But would smokers really stay away, too, if they couldn't smoke? Presumably they'd only need to walk a few feet to be able to smoke outside? X"
I think it will affect pubs yes. It affected thousands of pubs when they banned smoking in them before. x |
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Total ban on smoking and vaping in public spaces.
Everyone has the right to clean air.
If you are a smoker and feel aggrieved, why not think of it in terms of sharing a bit of COVID around….and everyone knows what that can lead to.
Help protect the NHS
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Haven't pubs suffered enough?.
I'm a licensee... nuff said!
With a further smoking ban?
Surely more non smokers would frequent beer gardens in the summer, if we're not breathing in smoke? "
I went through the original smoking ban in the pub trade... it shut upto 65 pubs a week... no! Whilst i agree with no smoking areas, i also agree with outside should have designated areas, not just a total blanket ban and stuff a lot of people!
This year has been hard enough on our trade, lots more gone due to it. Lets face it, its almost like the powers up high just dont want pubs anymore! Its smoke free inside and also eating areas within the garden....
Give us lot a break! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"As far as I am aware it’s a few councils for outside space / pavements at pubs, restaurants and cafes and not a blanket outdoor ban. However there are bans in place in many outdoor areas already and has been for years. "
The idea is spreading and the scope will increase. It always does with this kind of thing. People who like to ban things love scope creep.
Smoking: Should it be banned in Wales' beer gardens? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57525291 |
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"I don't go out often as it is.
I'd certainly not bother if I couldn't go for a fag.
I don't smoke in the street when the kids are ebmntering or leaving school, if I'm passing children in the street I cross the road.
Not all smokers are inconsiderate arseholes, although it really fucks me off when people don't use ashtrays provided and think the floor is one giant ashtray. "
I probably wouldn’t either to be honest if had to walk up the street to have one. I don’t smoke much but if I have a drink I fancy one. Rather stay in my own garden if that’s going to happen. no doubt about it that it will affect pubs. x |
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"Haven't pubs suffered enough?.
I'm a licensee... nuff said!
With a further smoking ban?
Surely more non smokers would frequent beer gardens in the summer, if we're not breathing in smoke?
I went through the original smoking ban in the pub trade... it shut upto 65 pubs a week... no! Whilst i agree with no smoking areas, i also agree with outside should have designated areas, not just a total blanket ban and stuff a lot of people!
This year has been hard enough on our trade, lots more gone due to it. Lets face it, its almost like the powers up high just dont want pubs anymore! Its smoke free inside and also eating areas within the garden....
Give us lot a break!"
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"Total ban on smoking and vaping in public spaces.
Everyone has the right to clean air.
If you are a smoker and feel aggrieved, why not think of it in terms of sharing a bit of COVID around….and everyone knows what that can lead to.
Help protect the NHS
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Clean air! Let’s ban all cars too. |
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"As far as I am aware it’s a few councils for outside space / pavements at pubs, restaurants and cafes and not a blanket outdoor ban. However there are bans in place in many outdoor areas already and has been for years.
The idea is spreading and the scope will increase. It always does with this kind of thing. People who like to ban things love scope creep.
Smoking: Should it be banned in Wales' beer gardens? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57525291"
I’m in no doubt as a smoker the scope will increase more than there is now and rightly so in some areas |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Havnt at least 1 Council banned all smoking outside, everywhere? As a trial.
Where am I supposed to go for a fag if this happens across the country? I mostly smoke outside on my doorstep. Not turning my house walls yellow with the shit so I do it outside."
No not everywhere outside, only outside restaurants, pubs ect.. |
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"Haven't pubs suffered enough?.
I'm a licensee... nuff said!
With a further smoking ban?
Surely more non smokers would frequent beer gardens in the summer, if we're not breathing in smoke?
I can’t see there being many non smokers who won’t go in a beer garden outside because there may be a couple of smokers out there to be honest. I can see smokers not bothering going though if they banned it. Pubs will suffer for sure if this happens.
I won't Nora. But would smokers really stay away, too, if they couldn't smoke? Presumably they'd only need to walk a few feet to be able to smoke outside? X
I think it will affect pubs yes. It affected thousands of pubs when they banned smoking in them before. x"
Ah, I see.
Gosh, don't know what the answer is then. I know I'd be happier, but didn't think how it would affect the hospitality business x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Total ban on smoking and vaping in public spaces.
Everyone has the right to clean air.
If you are a smoker and feel aggrieved, why not think of it in terms of sharing a bit of COVID around….and everyone knows what that can lead to.
Help protect the NHS
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If you want clean air then you need to ban all none electric cars.
Sat outside a pub the cars driving past are affecting your lungs far more than the person nearby smoking a fag. |
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Yup ban it, smoking is selfish anti social behaviour.
Why the fuck should I be subjected to toxic fumes from other people's disgusting habits?
Best thing they ever did was ban it inside pub's and restaurants, I remember the bad old day's of making the decision to go out or not based on if I wanted to spend the next few days wheezing and coughing as an asthmatic cigarette smoke is one of my triggers and it floors me.
Smoking killed my father and trust me there's not a single argument or excuse anyone on here can come up with to justify smoking their choice or not it's a horrific habit that isn't something that you can keep to yourself, unless you never leave your house,even then if you have family you are effectively poisoning your kid's.
Anti smoking,you bet I am. |
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"I don't go out often as it is.
I'd certainly not bother if I couldn't go for a fag.
I don't smoke in the street when the kids are ebmntering or leaving school, if I'm passing children in the street I cross the road.
Not all smokers are inconsiderate arseholes, although it really fucks me off when people don't use ashtrays provided and think the floor is one giant ashtray.
I probably wouldn’t either to be honest if had to walk up the street to have one. I don’t smoke much but if I have a drink I fancy one. Rather stay in my own garden if that’s going to happen. no doubt about it that it will affect pubs. x"
Definitely.
I regularly have to pop my head out the door at work coz a table has gone for a ciggie between courses, to let them know their meals are ready. I think if they did go out, it'd be just mains rather than 3 courses if they bothered at all.
With so many options for take away now if they didn't want to cook, I can't see them bothering leaving the house coz that nicotine craving hits hard.
Ask me any day of the week. What do you want more, food or fag, my answer will be fag no matter how hungry I am. |
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Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights? |
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?"
Then stay inside or move away when someone starts smoking, its as simple as that. |
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?"
*some smokers.
Some of us are saying it's understandable, and we wouldn't bother going out. Some of us (me) hate the fact they're a smoker but has no qualms in admitting I'm hopelessly addicted. |
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"Why is your choice to pollute your lungs more important than my lung health? (devil's advocate argument, I don't really give a shit )
Not sure who’s choice you’re referring to.
But blanket bans on outside space seems a bit OTT. There should be some element of choice for the individual that the market is free to cater for.
The choice you referred to in your opening post
Choice I was referring to was that the increased banning of spaces where smokers can indulge in a social setting. Choice of venue. Not choice of whether to smoke or not.
For example making a ban on outside smoking optional and let the market decide. Non smokers and smokers would have a choice.
PS Don’t smoke so don’t really give too hoots. But Not a big fan of banning things. Why not ban burgers and alcohol if health is really the concern. Obesity kills more than smoking these days. "
But those choices are essentially the same aren't they? Choose to smoke, choose not to go to that venue? Choose not to smoke for the duration you are out, choose to go to that venue? |
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?"
Where has anyone said about liberty and rights on this thread?! Unless I missed it. I simply won’t bother going probably if the rules come in, as will many people. I feel for the pubs as I don’t think they’ll last. I’ll abide by the rules, of course I will. I don’t think smoking should be banned outside though no. |
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
Then stay inside or move away when someone starts smoking, its as simple as that. "
To be honest, LornaJo, it's why I don't go to pubs. People smoking by the door and in the beer gardens. You can't avoid it, even if you wanted to.
But I can see it from the licensee's point of view. So I'll just sit in my own garden  |
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
Then stay inside or move away when someone starts smoking, its as simple as that. "
Wow are you for real?
So you are saying that as a non smoker I should stay in or move to the other side of the street to accommodate your habit? |
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
*some smokers.
Some of us are saying it's understandable, and we wouldn't bother going out. Some of us (me) hate the fact they're a smoker but has no qualms in admitting I'm hopelessly addicted."
of course unlike all those desperate for a drink   |
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
Then stay inside or move away when someone starts smoking, its as simple as that. "
Lock up the non smokers.... Perfect solution (tongue in cheek!) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
Then stay inside or move away when someone starts smoking, its as simple as that.
To be honest, LornaJo, it's why I don't go to pubs. People smoking by the door and in the beer gardens. You can't avoid it, even if you wanted to.
But I can see it from the licensee's point of view. So I'll just sit in my own garden "
And thats your choice so my point stands that the none smokers also have choices and rights. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
Then stay inside or move away when someone starts smoking, its as simple as that.
Wow are you for real?
So you are saying that as a non smoker I should stay in or move to the other side of the street to accommodate your habit?"
If you don't like it then yes.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
Then stay inside or move away when someone starts smoking, its as simple as that.
Lock up the non smokers.... Perfect solution (tongue in cheek!) "
No they just need to accept its perfectly legal for someone over 18 to smoke and if they don't like people smoking outside a pub they have a choice to stay away. |
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
Then stay inside or move away when someone starts smoking, its as simple as that. "
This logic.
So I'm out for a few drinks maybe a meal with friends it's a nice evening and we sit outside.
Enjoying our food and drink when someone decides to sit next to us blowing smoke in our direction and we are supposed to move or finish our meal because you want to smoke? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
Then stay inside or move away when someone starts smoking, its as simple as that.
This logic.
So I'm out for a few drinks maybe a meal with friends it's a nice evening and we sit outside.
Enjoying our food and drink when someone decides to sit next to us blowing smoke in our direction and we are supposed to move or finish our meal because you want to smoke?"
You know that's a possibility when you sit down so yes if you really don't like it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If anyone wants to know just how much ill be going bankrupt for, when that final nail in the coffin comes into play, please inbox me! Ill give you the figures!
I dont run pubs to make money... jebus... wish i did actually earn somethi g worth talking about from it!
There are smokers, there are non smokers.. each are provided for!. No need for a blanket ban, ffs!
And that is from a publican eye view!! You know... someone who actually runs these places??!
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?"
Do I have the right to not inhale toxic fumes from cars? I don’t drive FYI |
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
Then stay inside or move away when someone starts smoking, its as simple as that.
Lock up the non smokers.... Perfect solution (tongue in cheek!)
No they just need to accept its perfectly legal for someone over 18 to smoke and if they don't like people smoking outside a pub they have a choice to stay away. "
Exclude the non smokers! Perfect solution! No one is saying smokers can't go to those places, just that they can't smoke on the premises inside or out.
Go smoke on the street then go back inside if the need is that bad. Or, just don't smoke while you're there. If it were a hospital or a workplace I'm sure people would cope with a few hours without a fag
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"If anyone wants to know just how much ill be going bankrupt for, when that final nail in the coffin comes into play, please inbox me! Ill give you the figures!
I dont run pubs to make money... jebus... wish i did actually earn somethi g worth talking about from it!
There are smokers, there are non smokers.. each are provided for!. No need for a blanket ban, ffs!
And that is from a publican eye view!! You know... someone who actually runs these places??!
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I do feel for you. I remember it happening years ago too. I hope this doesn’t happen. |
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"If anyone wants to know just how much ill be going bankrupt for, when that final nail in the coffin comes into play, please inbox me! Ill give you the figures!
I dont run pubs to make money... jebus... wish i did actually earn somethi g worth talking about from it!
There are smokers, there are non smokers.. each are provided for!. No need for a blanket ban, ffs!
And that is from a publican eye view!! You know... someone who actually runs these places??!
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Exactly.
Every pub iv been in recently has a smoking and none smoking outside area so I genuinely don't see the issue. |
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
Do I have the right to not inhale toxic fumes from cars? I don’t drive FYI "
Do you want to eat food, use services and buy products delivered by vehicles?! |
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
Then stay inside or move away when someone starts smoking, its as simple as that.
This logic.
So I'm out for a few drinks maybe a meal with friends it's a nice evening and we sit outside.
Enjoying our food and drink when someone decides to sit next to us blowing smoke in our direction and we are supposed to move or finish our meal because you want to smoke?
You know that's a possibility when you sit down so yes if you really don't like it. "
I'm going to leave this thread now before I say something that results in a ban.
I hope you never have to watch someone die from an illness caused by smoking it may change your selfish attitude but I doubt it.
I wish you health and happiness but I can't see any point discussing this any more with you. |
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"If anyone wants to know just how much ill be going bankrupt for, when that final nail in the coffin comes into play, please inbox me! Ill give you the figures!
I dont run pubs to make money... jebus... wish i did actually earn somethi g worth talking about from it!
There are smokers, there are non smokers.. each are provided for!. No need for a blanket ban, ffs!
And that is from a publican eye view!! You know... someone who actually runs these places??!
Exactly.
Every pub iv been in recently has a smoking and none smoking outside area so I genuinely don't see the issue. "
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"Whenever this comes up smokers always start going on about their liberty and their rights.
What about the people who don't want to inhale your cigarette smoke, and don't want to smell bad. Do they have rights?
Then stay inside or move away when someone starts smoking, its as simple as that.
This logic.
So I'm out for a few drinks maybe a meal with friends it's a nice evening and we sit outside.
Enjoying our food and drink when someone decides to sit next to us blowing smoke in our direction and we are supposed to move or finish our meal because you want to smoke?
You know that's a possibility when you sit down so yes if you really don't like it.
I'm going to leave this thread now before I say something that results in a ban.
I hope you never have to watch someone die from an illness caused by smoking it may change your selfish attitude but I doubt it.
I wish you health and happiness but I can't see any point discussing this any more with you."
I have, both of my parents whom I lost before I was 30 so please refrain from making assumptions. |
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But those choices are essentially the same aren't they? Choose to smoke, choose not to go to that venue? Choose not to smoke for the duration you are out, choose to go to that venue? "
Today:
1) go out - eat/drink with others - but have to go outside for a smoke. Leave everyone indoors in peace. Can socialise with friends.
2) don’t go out.
3) give up cigs
Hypothetical tomorrow
1) go out - eat/drink with others. Can’t so the rest without even more hassle.
2) don’t go out.
3) give up cigs.
A choice is removed. Granted smoking is optional. But if it is banned in all outside hospitality spaces then smokers have greatly reduced choice. If the ban on outside apace was optionally driven by market forces then there would be some choices. Non smokers would be catered for as well…. Likely majority of that choice. Currently at least all parties have some choice.
The ban when/if eventually implemented nationally will remove the choice of venue.
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over a year ago
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Haha it's rather comical reading some of the comments on this compared to some of the other comments I've seen thrown out on different threads. Hypocritical attitudes are hilarious.
And that right there is what we call a grenade. |
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when the smoking ban inside came in alot of old school pubs went to the wall, the pub trade has had a hard time recently and again many have gone to the wall, dont forget most landloards dont own the pub, so sill have to pay rent and the brewery even if they are making nothing, while i kind off agree with stopping people smooking in the garden, the timing could have been better, we need to suport these stuggling industryes not banckrupt them, pretty soon at this rate there wont be any left, then where will you sit outside having a drink and a meal, like it or not alot of drinkers enjoy a smoke. my friend used to be a landloard, he saw this all coming before the indoor ban, he sold up, the pub id now derilict, and thats good for no one in the end, i would not be a landloard for anything atm |
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Smokers who hang onto the idea of “it’s my right to do what I want to my lungs and organs and I don’t give a shit if it affects anyone else around me” might be considered similar in nature to those who are COVID vaccine reluctant.
certainly not very socially responsible and definitely not helping to protect the NHS.
Do the responsible thing ….
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"Smokers who hang onto the idea of “it’s my right to do what I want to my lungs and organs and I don’t give a shit if it affects anyone else around me” might be considered similar in nature to those who are COVID vaccine reluctant.
certainly not very socially responsible and definitely not helping to protect the NHS.
Do the responsible thing ….
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Nobody’s said that though! So what’s your point? You are being a bit over dramatic with your comparisons. |
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"Smokers who hang onto the idea of “it’s my right to do what I want to my lungs and organs and I don’t give a shit if it affects anyone else around me” might be considered similar in nature to those who are COVID vaccine reluctant.
certainly not very socially responsible and definitely not helping to protect the NHS.
Do the responsible thing ….
Nobody’s said that though! So what’s your point? You are being a bit over dramatic with your comparisons. "
Exactly and smoking is an addiction for almost all people who smoke, not wanting a vaccine is not an addiction. |
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over a year ago
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"Smokers who hang onto the idea of “it’s my right to do what I want to my lungs and organs and I don’t give a shit if it affects anyone else around me” might be considered similar in nature to those who are COVID vaccine reluctant.
certainly not very socially responsible and definitely not helping to protect the NHS.
Do the responsible thing ….
Nobody’s said that though! So what’s your point? You are being a bit over dramatic with your comparisons. "
To be fair he isn't. Well he is!
But his point is correct.
The reason smoking is generally defended, is because smokers smoke. Shocking I know. These same people would be likely all for the ban if they were not smokers themselves. Which links very well with mask vs no mask. |
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"Smokers who hang onto the idea of “it’s my right to do what I want to my lungs and organs and I don’t give a shit if it affects anyone else around me” might be considered similar in nature to those who are COVID vaccine reluctant.
certainly not very socially responsible and definitely not helping to protect the NHS.
Do the responsible thing ….
Nobody’s said that though! So what’s your point? You are being a bit over dramatic with your comparisons.
Exactly and smoking is an addiction for almost all people who smoke, not wanting a vaccine is not an addiction. "
It’s not even comparable. Not sure why I even bothered commenting to be honest. |
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"Does this include vaping as well as smoking?
No idea tbh.
But I can’t see how one is less annoying than the other in an outside space.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/02/english-councils-start-banning-smoking-outside-pubs-and-restaurants
They just mention tobacco smoking. Are they going to ban annoying children as well? "
No because they arent carcinogenic. |
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certainly not very socially responsible and definitely not helping to protect the NHS.
Do the responsible thing ….
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Good luck with the nhs when smoking gets banned outright. Whats going to be taxed then? Smokers are paying for the treatment of non smokers non smoking related medical problems as well as there own. |
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But those choices are essentially the same aren't they? Choose to smoke, choose not to go to that venue? Choose not to smoke for the duration you are out, choose to go to that venue?
Today:
1) go out - eat/drink with others - but have to go outside for a smoke. Leave everyone indoors in peace. Can socialise with friends.
2) don’t go out.
3) give up cigs
Hypothetical tomorrow
1) go out - eat/drink with others. Can’t so the rest without even more hassle.
2) don’t go out.
3) give up cigs.
A choice is removed. Granted smoking is optional. But if it is banned in all outside hospitality spaces then smokers have greatly reduced choice. If the ban on outside apace was optionally driven by market forces then there would be some choices. Non smokers would be catered for as well…. Likely majority of that choice. Currently at least all parties have some choice.
The ban when/if eventually implemented nationally will remove the choice of venue.
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It isn't though is it? If smokers want to go out they still can, they just have to modify their choice to smoke. They either leave the fags at home for the evening or go smoke outside of the venue and return once their need is satiated. It hasn't removed the choice to go to that venue for them.. |
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"Smokers who hang onto the idea of “it’s my right to do what I want to my lungs and organs and I don’t give a shit if it affects anyone else around me” might be considered similar in nature to those who are COVID vaccine reluctant.
certainly not very socially responsible and definitely not helping to protect the NHS.
Do the responsible thing ….
Nobody’s said that though! So what’s your point? You are being a bit over dramatic with your comparisons.
To be fair he isn't. Well he is!
But his point is correct.
The reason smoking is generally defended, is because smokers smoke. Shocking I know. These same people would be likely all for the ban if they were not smokers themselves. Which links very well with mask vs no mask. "
No. I wouldn’t. Even as a smoker I didn’t agree with smoking in restaurants etc. I didn’t want to eat my meal next to someone smoking indoors. I never smoke indoors at home or anywhere! But to ban smoking outdoors is just ridiculous in my opinion. |
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"Smokers who hang onto the idea of “it’s my right to do what I want to my lungs and organs and I don’t give a shit if it affects anyone else around me” might be considered similar in nature to those who are COVID vaccine reluctant.
certainly not very socially responsible and definitely not helping to protect the NHS.
Do the responsible thing ….
Nobody’s said that though! So what’s your point? You are being a bit over dramatic with your comparisons.
Exactly and smoking is an addiction for almost all people who smoke, not wanting a vaccine is not an addiction.
It’s not even comparable. Not sure why I even bothered commenting to be honest. "
Because you have a right to point of view and because you can. X |
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"Simple solution: stop smoking.
Then use the money you have saved to go on holiday to a place where you can smoke anywhere you want to.
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If that was simple no one would be addicted to anything! |
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This is gonna be unpopular but those shouting ‘but won’t you think of the NHS’ where’s the same energy for obesity? Difference is smokers more than pay their fair share. And FYI until recently I was overweight myself! |
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"This is gonna be unpopular but those shouting ‘but won’t you think of the NHS’ where’s the same energy for obesity? Difference is smokers more than pay their fair share. And FYI until recently I was overweight myself! "
obese people pay taxes so what’s you’re point
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"Simple solution: stop smoking.
Then use the money you have saved to go on holiday to a place where you can smoke anywhere you want to.
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thats a very simplistic view, and if you go down the route of how much smokers cost the nhs, look at how much tax we pay, thats why the guy wont ban smoking, same as drinking which btw is way more harmful, its because they rely on the tax generated |
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"This is gonna be unpopular but those shouting ‘but won’t you think of the NHS’ where’s the same energy for obesity? Difference is smokers more than pay their fair share. And FYI until recently I was overweight myself! obese people pay taxes so what’s you’re point "
Do they? What taxes that none obese people pay? |
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"Simple solution: stop smoking.
Then use the money you have saved to go on holiday to a place where you can smoke anywhere you want to.
thats a very simplistic view, and if you go down the route of how much smokers cost the nhs, look at how much tax we pay, thats why the guy wont ban smoking, same as drinking which btw is way more harmful, its because they rely on the tax generated"
And also tend to die younger and therefore take less in pension and later life health costs. Win win fiscally speaking. Obesity costs the NHS more than smoking these days I expect.
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I don't smoke but will kill most local pubs even more. if they don't want smoking then ban cigarettes make it illegal but will never happen because of the revenue. but a business opportunity open a private smoking club. |
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"Simple solution: stop smoking.
Then use the money you have saved to go on holiday to a place where you can smoke anywhere you want to.
thats a very simplistic view, and if you go down the route of how much smokers cost the nhs, look at how much tax we pay, thats why the guy wont ban smoking, same as drinking which btw is way more harmful, its because they rely on the tax generated
And also tend to die younger and therefore take less in pension and later life health costs. Win win fiscally speaking. Obesity costs the NHS more than smoking these days I expect.
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You know that a lot of ex smokers gain weight? |
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"This is gonna be unpopular but those shouting ‘but won’t you think of the NHS’ where’s the same energy for obesity? Difference is smokers more than pay their fair share. And FYI until recently I was overweight myself! obese people pay taxes so what’s you’re point "
A packet of cigarettes is over 80% tax! With prices rising fast. |
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"Simple solution: stop smoking.
Then use the money you have saved to go on holiday to a place where you can smoke anywhere you want to.
thats a very simplistic view, and if you go down the route of how much smokers cost the nhs, look at how much tax we pay, thats why the guy wont ban smoking, same as drinking which btw is way more harmful, its because they rely on the tax generated
And also tend to die younger and therefore take less in pension and later life health costs. Win win fiscally speaking. Obesity costs the NHS more than smoking these days I expect.
You know that a lot of ex smokers gain weight?"
So what you rather? Let's just blame smokers and ex smokers for all the problems in the NHS? |
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But those choices are essentially the same aren't they? Choose to smoke, choose not to go to that venue? Choose not to smoke for the duration you are out, choose to go to that venue?
Today:
1) go out - eat/drink with others - but have to go outside for a smoke. Leave everyone indoors in peace. Can socialise with friends.
2) don’t go out.
3) give up cigs
Hypothetical tomorrow
1) go out - eat/drink with others. Can’t so the rest without even more hassle.
2) don’t go out.
3) give up cigs.
A choice is removed. Granted smoking is optional. But if it is banned in all outside hospitality spaces then smokers have greatly reduced choice. If the ban on outside apace was optionally driven by market forces then there would be some choices. Non smokers would be catered for as well…. Likely majority of that choice. Currently at least all parties have some choice.
The ban when/if eventually implemented nationally will remove the choice of venue.
It isn't though is it? If smokers want to go out they still can, they just have to modify their choice to smoke. They either leave the fags at home for the evening or go smoke outside of the venue and return once their need is satiated. It hasn't removed the choice to go to that venue for them.. "
Ok, so how do smokers combine a drink and a smoke? Currently possible.
Where is that choice in this future scenario? It is a pleasure in life for many those that smoke. That choice is removed.
Now of you said lets ban smoking in the outside eating areas, but set aside another area for smoking then the choice situation would be different. But that’s not the agenda being pursued here.
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you dont have to be an ex smoker to be obese, infact everyone i know who has given up has gone on a real health kick and stayed the same weight, un like the chavs in mcdonalds, should we tax burgers?
did you see the ques at the drivetrus when mcd opened after lockdown? |
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"Clean air ? cars, factories, planes etc ban the lot!
To be fair, might as well go all in. The smokers will be fucked regardless. We all will of course but they still won't be able to smoke "
But nobody is talking about banning smoking so I don't know what your meaning is to be honest.
The proposal is simply about not being able to smoke in a pub garden or outside a restaurant or cafe. So yes under current proposals smokers can still smoke.
The point he is making is a valid one about people banning on about banning smoking so they can breath clean air, ban smoking and you still wont be able to breathe clean air. |
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If you can manage not to on a plane, a train, a bus, in the cinema, the theatre, walking around a zoo / theme park, during work hours (as some examples) then surely you can manage it during your time sat eating a meal outdoors.
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but a smoke and a beer are a match made in heaven, so im not going to be stopping smoking while in the pub sorry, i do get your point, maybe meet half way and have a smoking bit of the garden |
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"Simple solution: stop smoking.
Then use the money you have saved to go on holiday to a place where you can smoke anywhere you want to.
thats a very simplistic view, and if you go down the route of how much smokers cost the nhs, look at how much tax we pay, thats why the guy wont ban smoking, same as drinking which btw is way more harmful, its because they rely on the tax generated
And also tend to die younger and therefore take less in pension and later life health costs. Win win fiscally speaking. Obesity costs the NHS more than smoking these days I expect.
You know that a lot of ex smokers gain weight?
So what you rather? Let's just blame smokers and ex smokers for all the problems in the NHS?"
You are being awfully defensive Lorna, I have never seen you like this! |
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"but a smoke and a beer are a match made in heaven, so im not going to be stopping smoking while in the pub sorry, i do get your point, maybe meet half way and have a smoking bit of the garden"
Or a separate garden as the wind does not know the difference between the areas |
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over a year ago
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"but a smoke and a beer are a match made in heaven, so im not going to be stopping smoking while in the pub sorry, i do get your point, maybe meet half way and have a smoking bit of the garden
Or a separate garden as the wind does not know the difference between the areas "
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"but a smoke and a beer are a match made in heaven, so im not going to be stopping smoking while in the pub sorry, i do get your point, maybe meet half way and have a smoking bit of the garden
Or a separate garden as the wind does not know the difference between the areas "
well fine that would work, but weve banned enough things in this country, its getting like 1984 |
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"Simple solution: stop smoking.
Then use the money you have saved to go on holiday to a place where you can smoke anywhere you want to.
thats a very simplistic view, and if you go down the route of how much smokers cost the nhs, look at how much tax we pay, thats why the guy wont ban smoking, same as drinking which btw is way more harmful, its because they rely on the tax generated
And also tend to die younger and therefore take less in pension and later life health costs. Win win fiscally speaking. Obesity costs the NHS more than smoking these days I expect.
You know that a lot of ex smokers gain weight?
So what you rather? Let's just blame smokers and ex smokers for all the problems in the NHS?
You are being awfully defensive Lorna, I have never seen you like this!"
I'm not at all, im saying that I don't have a problem with not smoking outside a pub or restaurant but what I do have a problem with is people using this thread to bash smokers who In almost all cases are addicted and don't want to be but are struggling and people are having digs. |
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"but a smoke and a beer are a match made in heaven, so im not going to be stopping smoking while in the pub sorry, i do get your point, maybe meet half way and have a smoking bit of the garden
Or a separate garden as the wind does not know the difference between the areas
A windowless hut! "
They have them in Hong Kong. Like a black glass shed |
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There’s a few smokers on this little thread who say they wouldn’t bother going so times that by god knows how many smokers and it’s bye bye pubs. Irrelevant of whether I smoke I think it’s a bad idea. Just kicking pubs whilst they’re down until they won’t be able to get back up again. |
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"but a smoke and a beer are a match made in heaven, so im not going to be stopping smoking while in the pub sorry, i do get your point, maybe meet half way and have a smoking bit of the garden
Or a separate garden as the wind does not know the difference between the areas
well fine that would work, but weve banned enough things in this country, its getting like 1984"
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and like i said before, alot of drinkers smoke, so alowances should be made, otherwise it will afect the pubs income, it is bad enough, i can get a 4 pack of beer for less than the cost of a pint and smoke and drink in my own garden, pubs need to be given a chance to compeat with that, or are we going to ban smoking in gardens just incase the neibours smell it, where will it end |
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Well not sure it's possible outside is outside after all no one owns oute above ground level ! I'm sure to take up smoking if this happens just to rebel !x |
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"but a smoke and a beer are a match made in heaven, so im not going to be stopping smoking while in the pub sorry, i do get your point, maybe meet half way and have a smoking bit of the garden
Or a separate garden as the wind does not know the difference between the areas
A windowless hut!
They have them in Hong Kong. Like a black glass shed"
There are some very good extractor hut units out there and a million miles away from the old airport pods |
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"Simple solution: stop smoking.
Then use the money you have saved to go on holiday to a place where you can smoke anywhere you want to.
thats a very simplistic view, and if you go down the route of how much smokers cost the nhs, look at how much tax we pay, thats why the guy wont ban smoking, same as drinking which btw is way more harmful, its because they rely on the tax generated
And also tend to die younger and therefore take less in pension and later life health costs. Win win fiscally speaking. Obesity costs the NHS more than smoking these days I expect.
You know that a lot of ex smokers gain weight?
So what you rather? Let's just blame smokers and ex smokers for all the problems in the NHS?
You are being awfully defensive Lorna, I have never seen you like this!
I'm not at all, im saying that I don't have a problem with not smoking outside a pub or restaurant but what I do have a problem with is people using this thread to bash smokers who In almost all cases are addicted and don't want to be but are struggling and people are having digs. "
I was pointing out that some of the obese people have been smokers, so have arguably paid plenty into the nhs with taxes from their past smoking, myself included.
Doesnt bother me about people smoking in beer gardens. When I gave up, I swore I would try not to become a hypocritical ex smoker. |
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"Just stick the lepers in one end of the beer garden and let everyone else sit the other end...job done
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"Well not sure it's possible outside is outside after all no one owns oute above ground level ! I'm sure to take up smoking if this happens just to rebel !x"
That actually happened in Cyprus when they tried to ban smoking in public places including in doors.
Nobody stuck to the rules and smoking actually increased.
This was about 10 years ago so not sure if its changed since. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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PS as an ex smoker who packed up many moons ago, it isn't the easiest thing I have ever done, it really isn't just a simple, oh ok I am not smoking from this minute on.
Most people don't want to stop smoking anyway and I think they should have a choice.
I do think there should split the space for smokers and non smokers though in the beer garden. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Just stick the lepers in one end of the beer garden and let everyone else sit the other end...job done
i will have you know, im a smoker and still have my nose and all my fingers "
For now |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Simple solution: stop smoking.
Then use the money you have saved to go on holiday to a place where you can smoke anywhere you want to.
thats a very simplistic view, and if you go down the route of how much smokers cost the nhs, look at how much tax we pay, thats why the guy wont ban smoking, same as drinking which btw is way more harmful, its because they rely on the tax generated
And also tend to die younger and therefore take less in pension and later life health costs. Win win fiscally speaking. Obesity costs the NHS more than smoking these days I expect.
You know that a lot of ex smokers gain weight?
So what you rather? Let's just blame smokers and ex smokers for all the problems in the NHS?
You are being awfully defensive Lorna, I have never seen you like this!
I'm not at all, im saying that I don't have a problem with not smoking outside a pub or restaurant but what I do have a problem with is people using this thread to bash smokers who In almost all cases are addicted and don't want to be but are struggling and people are having digs. "
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Another area it will hit pubs and restaurants is ... are the staff meant to police it?
Is it one more thing we'll get abused for, asking people to move and follow more rules?
Who will get fined, the smoker or the premises?
I'm not saying smokers are inconsiderate, I'm saying people who've had a drink are and the more rules they have to follow the bigger the chances of aggro. I don't go to work for aggro and neither do other restaurant or bar staff |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
It's the standing in the door way, as if it was a picket line, where asking to get in or out becomes awkward.
That's really annoying.
Are fags a carbon neutral, vegan product? Like hell they are. Think of those air miles, the places like train stations where they are chucked on to the lines, just like chewing gum. |
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"Just stick the lepers in one end of the beer garden and let everyone else sit the other end...job done
i will have you know, im a smoker and still have my nose and all my fingers
For now "
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"There’s a few smokers on this little thread who say they wouldn’t bother going so times that by god knows how many smokers and it’s bye bye pubs. Irrelevant of whether I smoke I think it’s a bad idea. Just kicking pubs whilst they’re down until they won’t be able to get back up again. "
The stubbornness of smokers is just as much to blame for the closure of pubs as a total ban would be in that case.
The ban sets it in motion, but by not going to the pub because you can't smoke is just as much of a blow.
The situation is presented, people act based upon the situation. IF people cared about pubs (I personally don't. I have reasons. So don't really care either way) they would continue to go regardless of being able to smoke.
So if they stopped going, they just show they give about as much of a fuck about pubs as I do. |
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"There’s a few smokers on this little thread who say they wouldn’t bother going so times that by god knows how many smokers and it’s bye bye pubs. Irrelevant of whether I smoke I think it’s a bad idea. Just kicking pubs whilst they’re down until they won’t be able to get back up again.
The stubbornness of smokers is just as much to blame for the closure of pubs as a total ban would be in that case.
The ban sets it in motion, but by not going to the pub because you can't smoke is just as much of a blow.
The situation is presented, people act based upon the situation. IF people cared about pubs (I personally don't. I have reasons. So don't really care either way) they would continue to go regardless of being able to smoke.
So if they stopped going, they just show they give about as much of a fuck about pubs as I do."
You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's the standing in the door way, as if it was a picket line, where asking to get in or out becomes awkward.
That's really annoying.
Are fags a carbon neutral, vegan product? Like hell they are. Think of those air miles, the places like train stations where they are chucked on to the lines, just like chewing gum."
thats nothing to do with smoking, thats just inconsiderate twats, the same people who thro mcd wrappers out of the car window, i travel alot, and when i get back to the uk tha amount of litter when i get back to the uk makes me ashamed, go to germany for instance and you wont see any litter |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"It's the standing in the door way, as if it was a picket line, where asking to get in or out becomes awkward.
That's really annoying.
Are fags a carbon neutral, vegan product? Like hell they are. Think of those air miles, the places like train stations where they are chucked on to the lines, just like chewing gum.
thats nothing to do with smoking, thats just inconsiderate twats, the same people who thro mcd wrappers out of the car window, i travel alot, and when i get back to the uk tha amount of litter when i get back to the uk makes me ashamed, go to germany for instance and you wont see any litter"
Good ol' Germany, can't argue with the facts. |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done"
Yes of cause it can but its not as simple as some on this thread have made out.
I'm currently in a situation where I'm desperate to quit but finding it so hard so I know I'm very emotionally involved in this subject.
Its good and encouraging though to see some ex smokers on this post as it gives me hope. |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done"
I'm scared of failing. I know it makes ya sick as fuck when you stop, I tried before and the headaches and nightmares were horrific, I was throwing up, sweating, shaking, the lot.
I think you need to be absolutely determined and ready to face the sickness that comes with stopping.
I know people will say "well if you get cancer the chemo will be worse"
I made the decision years ago that if I got a smoking related illness I'd refuse treatment and leave the money in the NHS pot for someone else. |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
I'm scared of failing. I know it makes ya sick as fuck when you stop, I tried before and the headaches and nightmares were horrific, I was throwing up, sweating, shaking, the lot.
I think you need to be absolutely determined and ready to face the sickness that comes with stopping.
I know people will say "well if you get cancer the chemo will be worse"
I made the decision years ago that if I got a smoking related illness I'd refuse treatment and leave the money in the NHS pot for someone else."
Exactly this for me too.
Its just so hard. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done"
Yes it can. What helped me quit? Consideration for other people. Amazing what that can do for motivation. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"It's the standing in the door way, as if it was a picket line, where asking to get in or out becomes awkward.
That's really annoying.
Especially hospital entrances….
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Yeah!
Outside the Macmillan unit to boot, right in the middle of the path to the local High school near the bridge that takes it over the dual carriageway. |
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"There’s a few smokers on this little thread who say they wouldn’t bother going so times that by god knows how many smokers and it’s bye bye pubs. Irrelevant of whether I smoke I think it’s a bad idea. Just kicking pubs whilst they’re down until they won’t be able to get back up again.
The stubbornness of smokers is just as much to blame for the closure of pubs as a total ban would be in that case.
The ban sets it in motion, but by not going to the pub because you can't smoke is just as much of a blow.
The situation is presented, people act based upon the situation. IF people cared about pubs (I personally don't. I have reasons. So don't really care either way) they would continue to go regardless of being able to smoke.
So if they stopped going, they just show they give about as much of a fuck about pubs as I do."
I don’t agree with this at all. It’s not stubbornness. People like a cig with their drink. I’m more what they called a social smoker (even though it’s not very sociable!) if I can’t have one sitting outside with a vino in the sun then I’ll stay at home and probably invite all the people I would have gone to the pub with too. It won’t work. |
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As a smoker myself there are places I wouldn’t smoke and a pub isn’t one of them .I’ve seen a lot more damage and families torn apart by alcohol and the damage it can do.So if they ban smoking I will just have a nice glass of something in my garden and smoke in peace .. |
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over a year ago
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
I'm scared of failing. I know it makes ya sick as fuck when you stop, I tried before and the headaches and nightmares were horrific, I was throwing up, sweating, shaking, the lot.
I think you need to be absolutely determined and ready to face the sickness that comes with stopping.
I know people will say "well if you get cancer the chemo will be worse"
I made the decision years ago that if I got a smoking related illness I'd refuse treatment and leave the money in the NHS pot for someone else."
ive had chemo for something unrelated to smoking, and trust me its not that bad, just makes you feel a bit tired and sick |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Time to introduce the strutter bubble
Fuck yes!
The motherfucking strutter bubble
Available at a steal to keep the motherfucking cunts out your motherfucking space "
Just like the Phone bubbles of yesteryear. |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
Yes of cause it can but its not as simple as some on this thread have made out.
I'm currently in a situation where I'm desperate to quit but finding it so hard so I know I'm very emotionally involved in this subject.
Its good and encouraging though to see some ex smokers on this post as it gives me hope. "
Exactly this.
If it was so bloody easy I would have stopped decades ago and never picked one up again. Instead I stop for a few years, hit a low point (usually involving a bereavement), snap and start again only to find myself.going through the whole quitting process again.
The only person I hurt with my smoking is me as I dont do it anywhere near anyone else and never have. I dont even smoke I my own home. I sit outside, no matter the weather and I dont complain about it as I'd dont wish to inflict my bad habits on others.
But hey, it's all so easy and I'm public enemy number one going by some in this thread.
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"It's the standing in the door way, as if it was a picket line, where asking to get in or out becomes awkward.
That's really annoying.
Especially hospital entrances….
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This I agree with even tho I’m a smoker I do think some people need to be more considerate about where they light up a cigarette to .. |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
Yes it can. What helped me quit? Consideration for other people. Amazing what that can do for motivation."
That’s good you could do that. Well done you. |
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"Time to introduce the strutter bubble
Fuck yes!
The motherfucking strutter bubble
Available at a steal to keep the motherfucking cunts out your motherfucking space "
from a time when Mtv was worth watching |
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over a year ago
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Im a smoker but also polite enough not to light up if someone is eating on the table next to me and theres no option to move tables i just wait until they have finished, also quite a few pubs ive been to recently have both smoking and non smoking areas, I also find some non smokers will sit in smoking areas because theres no room in the non smoking then sit there with that awful fake cough staring at you like your the spawn of satan theres no winning either way |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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"Oh to be able to sit in a beer garden, enjoy the sunshine and a meal WITHOUT having to suffer stinking cigarette smoke & airborne ash.  "
Smoke is micro pollution, try farting in other people's area and see how bitchy they become. |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
Yes of cause it can but its not as simple as some on this thread have made out.
I'm currently in a situation where I'm desperate to quit but finding it so hard so I know I'm very emotionally involved in this subject.
Its good and encouraging though to see some ex smokers on this post as it gives me hope.
Exactly this.
If it was so bloody easy I would have stopped decades ago and never picked one up again. Instead I stop for a few years, hit a low point (usually involving a bereavement), snap and start again only to find myself.going through the whole quitting process again.
The only person I hurt with my smoking is me as I dont do it anywhere near anyone else and never have. I dont even smoke I my own home. I sit outside, no matter the weather and I dont complain about it as I'd dont wish to inflict my bad habits on others.
But hey, it's all so easy and I'm public enemy number one going by some in this thread.
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Read few days ago Oxfordshire are looking at banning smoking outside completely whereever you are only place you will be able to smoke is inside of your own house not even in your car when your out . what do people make of that ??? |
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"Read few days ago Oxfordshire are looking at banning smoking outside completely whereever you are only place you will be able to smoke is inside of your own house not even in your car when your out . what do people make of that ???"
No they aren't, its only outside businesses. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
Yes of cause it can but its not as simple as some on this thread have made out.
I'm currently in a situation where I'm desperate to quit but finding it so hard so I know I'm very emotionally involved in this subject.
Its good and encouraging though to see some ex smokers on this post as it gives me hope. "
You don't have to tell me how hard it is so I know what you are going through... I did it 30 years ago and they had no help for it then. It got so bad at one point that I even used to be jealous of the people who had nets on their windows that had discoloured with the smoke, I imagined them sat there smoking while we were driving past and I had no fag to puff on... it was a nightmare
About 3 months in I sent him for a packet of cigs as I wanted to give it up ...took one drag out of the ciggie, went dizzy, felt sick and didn't touch another one after that so that did me a favour.
Hopefully you will get a light bulb moment and the willpower will follow if you want to quit |
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"Read few days ago Oxfordshire are looking at banning smoking outside completely whereever you are only place you will be able to smoke is inside of your own house not even in your car when your out . what do people make of that ???"
They can’t stop you smoking in your garden! |
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over a year ago
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My favourite smell used to be walking into a pub and stale ale and tobacco,cigars and pipes.But unfortunately those days have gone so another nail in the coffin for the pub trade |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
Yes of cause it can but its not as simple as some on this thread have made out.
I'm currently in a situation where I'm desperate to quit but finding it so hard so I know I'm very emotionally involved in this subject.
Its good and encouraging though to see some ex smokers on this post as it gives me hope.
You don't have to tell me how hard it is so I know what you are going through... I did it 30 years ago and they had no help for it then. It got so bad at one point that I even used to be jealous of the people who had nets on their windows that had discoloured with the smoke, I imagined them sat there smoking while we were driving past and I had no fag to puff on... it was a nightmare
About 3 months in I sent him for a packet of cigs as I wanted to give it up ...took one drag out of the ciggie, went dizzy, felt sick and didn't touch another one after that so that did me a favour.
Hopefully you will get a light bulb moment and the willpower will follow if you want to quit "
Thank you and I hope so too.
I do have a big insensitive as I don't want to a smoker on my wedding day. |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
Yes of cause it can but its not as simple as some on this thread have made out.
I'm currently in a situation where I'm desperate to quit but finding it so hard so I know I'm very emotionally involved in this subject.
Its good and encouraging though to see some ex smokers on this post as it gives me hope.
You don't have to tell me how hard it is so I know what you are going through... I did it 30 years ago and they had no help for it then. It got so bad at one point that I even used to be jealous of the people who had nets on their windows that had discoloured with the smoke, I imagined them sat there smoking while we were driving past and I had no fag to puff on... it was a nightmare
About 3 months in I sent him for a packet of cigs as I wanted to give it up ...took one drag out of the ciggie, went dizzy, felt sick and didn't touch another one after that so that did me a favour.
Hopefully you will get a light bulb moment and the willpower will follow if you want to quit
Thank you and I hope so too.
I do have a big insensitive as I don't want to a smoker on my wedding day. "
That’s one thing I was paranoid about! A photo of me with a cigarette in my wedding dress! I hardly had any that day |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
Yes of cause it can but its not as simple as some on this thread have made out.
I'm currently in a situation where I'm desperate to quit but finding it so hard so I know I'm very emotionally involved in this subject.
Its good and encouraging though to see some ex smokers on this post as it gives me hope.
You don't have to tell me how hard it is so I know what you are going through... I did it 30 years ago and they had no help for it then. It got so bad at one point that I even used to be jealous of the people who had nets on their windows that had discoloured with the smoke, I imagined them sat there smoking while we were driving past and I had no fag to puff on... it was a nightmare
About 3 months in I sent him for a packet of cigs as I wanted to give it up ...took one drag out of the ciggie, went dizzy, felt sick and didn't touch another one after that so that did me a favour.
Hopefully you will get a light bulb moment and the willpower will follow if you want to quit
Thank you and I hope so too.
I do have a big insensitive as I don't want to a smoker on my wedding day.
That’s one thing I was paranoid about! A photo of me with a cigarette in my wedding dress! I hardly had any that day "
Thats what I really really don't want.
I know at the moment I couldn't go a whole day without one. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
I'm scared of failing. I know it makes ya sick as fuck when you stop, I tried before and the headaches and nightmares were horrific, I was throwing up, sweating, shaking, the lot.
I think you need to be absolutely determined and ready to face the sickness that comes with stopping.
I know people will say "well if you get cancer the chemo will be worse"
I made the decision years ago that if I got a smoking related illness I'd refuse treatment and leave the money in the NHS pot for someone else."
Yes it isn't the most pleasant of things to do, My OH is on his fourth attempt at the moment and is feeling the same
I don't think comments about cancer or illness help anyone who smokes, we all know what it may do to us, but there has to be a light bulb moment before you can go for it...brow beating doesn't work |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
Yes of cause it can but its not as simple as some on this thread have made out.
I'm currently in a situation where I'm desperate to quit but finding it so hard so I know I'm very emotionally involved in this subject.
Its good and encouraging though to see some ex smokers on this post as it gives me hope.
You don't have to tell me how hard it is so I know what you are going through... I did it 30 years ago and they had no help for it then. It got so bad at one point that I even used to be jealous of the people who had nets on their windows that had discoloured with the smoke, I imagined them sat there smoking while we were driving past and I had no fag to puff on... it was a nightmare
About 3 months in I sent him for a packet of cigs as I wanted to give it up ...took one drag out of the ciggie, went dizzy, felt sick and didn't touch another one after that so that did me a favour.
Hopefully you will get a light bulb moment and the willpower will follow if you want to quit
Thank you and I hope so too.
I do have a big insensitive as I don't want to a smoker on my wedding day.
That’s one thing I was paranoid about! A photo of me with a cigarette in my wedding dress! I hardly had any that day
Thats what I really really don't want.
I know at the moment I couldn't go a whole day without one. "
My Nan never knew I smoked so I went and hid outside every time I had one . No mobiles back then so no chance of pics |
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"Read few days ago Oxfordshire are looking at banning smoking outside completely whereever you are only place you will be able to smoke is inside of your own house not even in your car when your out . what do people make of that ???"
It’s an interesting plan and looking to do it by 2025, 5 years before the proposed countrywide aim of 2030 |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
Yes it can. What helped me quit? Consideration for other people. Amazing what that can do for motivation."
Who were you considering, family? |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
I'm scared of failing. I know it makes ya sick as fuck when you stop, I tried before and the headaches and nightmares were horrific, I was throwing up, sweating, shaking, the lot.
I think you need to be absolutely determined and ready to face the sickness that comes with stopping.
I know people will say "well if you get cancer the chemo will be worse"
I made the decision years ago that if I got a smoking related illness I'd refuse treatment and leave the money in the NHS pot for someone else.
Yes it isn't the most pleasant of things to do, My OH is on his fourth attempt at the moment and is feeling the same
I don't think comments about cancer or illness help anyone who smokes, we all know what it may do to us, but there has to be a light bulb moment before you can go for it...brow beating doesn't work "
Like being determined to finally leave that abusive relationship and fucking mean it kinda mentality. I wish him all the best in this attempt.
Thank you for being so candid about your experience and not trying to fluff it up or whatnot |
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By *lan157Man
over a year ago
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A ban on smoking in Pub beer gardens and outside seating areas of cafes etc could not come early enough as far as I am concerned. Let smokers do their thing well away from other people or in their own gardens at home. It appals me that smokers think they have some "right" to this space to smoke in to the detriment of others who might wish to use it as well but cannot do so because of smokers. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
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You are aware smoking is an addiction and not about being stubborn right?
It can be beaten though if you really want to, it is hard doing it, but can be done
Yes it can. What helped me quit? Consideration for other people. Amazing what that can do for motivation.
Who were you considering, family?"
People. Family and strangers. And myself... I guess mostly myself thinking about it. I got bored/frustrated etc from constantly checking I was not subjecting my own bad habit upon somebody else. |
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"A ban on smoking in Pub beer gardens and outside seating areas of cafes etc could not come early enough as far as I am concerned. Let smokers do their thing well away from other people or in their own gardens at home. It appals me that smokers think they have some "right" to this space to smoke in to the detriment of others who might wish to use it as well but cannot do so because of smokers. "
so dy definition you would rather most bubs clesed and put loads of stalf on the dole, think of the bigger picture, you wont stop people smoking, but you will stop people going to the pub |
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