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 . He just wants to keep the healthy happy positive supportive debate going dont you OP?!  because last time enough people werent triggered into feeling shit about themselves  | |||
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"Radiators and Fat People quite possibly the strangest analogy I have ever read " The only similarity I can see is that I overheated in the last few days due to being morbidly obese. | |||
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"Christ are we still on this? The forums are becoming bloody toxic lately " | |||
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"Ffs… the suggestion is that Obesity is treated as an illness, not “fat”. This would mean a far more tailored approach for people rather than just “lose weight”. Stop with the stupid attention seeking labelling" Are you saying I'm not fat enough to be obese? I can be anything I want to be thank you! | |||
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"Why are we fat shaming... I find it abhorrent and disappointing.. Or shaming of any form... Personally i don't think it has any place in todays society Just because you read it, does not necessarily mean you need to spread /promote it "I agree no need at all | |||
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"Why are we fat shaming... I find it abhorrent and disappointing.. Or shaming of any form... Personally i don't think it has any place in todays society Just because you read it, does not necessarily mean you need to spread /promote it "Sadly it seems to be the one area that remains unpoliced. If someone is insulted because of their appearance, gender, age, sexuality etc, the person making those remarks can be fined and admonished. Yet people persistently insult us fat folk and supposedly it's fair game. | |||
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"I've read this article and there is nowhere does it say anything about BMI. The article also states "too many weight management programmes for those living with obesity beging with moving more and eating less, which in reality is a prevention for obesity, not a cure". It also says about those who have a mutation in their MC4 receptor which makes them hard-wired to store fat. So I'm baffled by your OP to be honest " He probably just got a rejection off a curvy woman | |||
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"I've read this article and there is nowhere does it say anything about BMI. The article also states "too many weight management programmes for those living with obesity beging with moving more and eating less, which in reality is a prevention for obesity, not a cure". It also says about those who have a mutation in their MC4 receptor which makes them hard-wired to store fat. So I'm baffled by your OP to be honest " I listened to the Radio on one of the Regional BBC channels this morning and it had doctors and researchers giving far more detail than is in the BBC online snippet. What was most bizarre to me was that it was debated without any cries of fat shaming. Just intelligent conversation. Now there is a thing .. | |||
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"For anyone looking for proof on the “parts of the fat acceptance movement spread false info on fat being healthy” Just read the wiki you linked. It’s all in there. Most of the fat acceptance movement is great about wanting to change the stigma and help people. But parts of it aren’t and actively choose to discredit the science and promote and unhealthy way of life " Isn't that a problem with each movement though? You'll get those who are more radical in a movement and fail to see the middle ground that the majority inhabit? | |||
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"Why are we fat shaming... I find it abhorrent and disappointing.. Or shaming of any form... Personally i don't think it has any place in todays society Just because you read it, does not necessarily mean you need to spread /promote it
Sadly it seems to be the one area that remains unpoliced.
If someone is insulted because of their appearance, gender, age, sexuality etc, the person making those remarks can be fined and admonished.
Yet people persistently insult us fat folk and supposedly it's fair game. "I am incredibly disappointed and saddened to hear this... I wish people would walk in 'others' shoes to experience a day in their life and understand the savage impact that words, however well intentioned, but misplaced, have on that individual I'm so sorry that you have to deal with this 
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"For anyone looking for proof on the “parts of the fat acceptance movement spread false info on fat being healthy” Just read the wiki you linked. It’s all in there. Most of the fat acceptance movement is great about wanting to change the stigma and help people. But parts of it aren’t and actively choose to discredit the science and promote and unhealthy way of life Isn't that a problem with each movement though? You'll get those who are more radical in a movement and fail to see the middle ground that the majority inhabit? " People were saying it dudnt happen coz they didn’t see it. I’m just saying it does | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster.. "Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended. People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes. In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another. When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals. Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them. Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh? | |||
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"I've read this article and there is nowhere does it say anything about BMI. The article also states "too many weight management programmes for those living with obesity beging with moving more and eating less, which in reality is a prevention for obesity, not a cure". It also says about those who have a mutation in their MC4 receptor which makes them hard-wired to store fat. So I'm baffled by your OP to be honest I listened to the Radio on one of the Regional BBC channels this morning and it had doctors and researchers giving far more detail than is in the BBC online snippet. What was most bizarre to me was that it was debated without any cries of fat shaming. Just intelligent conversation. Now there is a thing .." I actually read the scientific papers linked to the researchers in the article too. And if you had left your opening OP without saying people should just look in the mirror, maybe just maybe nobody would be accusing you of fat shaming. | |||
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"I've read this article and there is nowhere does it say anything about BMI. The article also states "too many weight management programmes for those living with obesity beging with moving more and eating less, which in reality is a prevention for obesity, not a cure". It also says about those who have a mutation in their MC4 receptor which makes them hard-wired to store fat. So I'm baffled by your OP to be honest I listened to the Radio on one of the Regional BBC channels this morning and it had doctors and researchers giving far more detail than is in the BBC online snippet. What was most bizarre to me was that it was debated without any cries of fat shaming. Just intelligent conversation. Now there is a thing .. I actually read the scientific papers linked to the researchers in the article too. And if you had left your opening OP without saying people should just look in the mirror, maybe just maybe nobody would be accusing you of fat shaming." I agree - it was that very last bit which seems to suggest an agenda, to me anyway. | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh? " spot on! I feel fat and ugly in the 'real world' but on Fab I've been told I'm sexy and I feel beautiful | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh? "Thomas does make me laugh but this is a great post | |||
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"Why are we fat shaming... I find it abhorrent and disappointing.. Or shaming of any form... Personally i don't think it has any place in todays society Just because you read it, does not necessarily mean you need to spread /promote it
Sadly it seems to be the one area that remains unpoliced.
If someone is insulted because of their appearance, gender, age, sexuality etc, the person making those remarks can be fined and admonished.
Yet people persistently insult us fat folk and supposedly it's fair game.
I am incredibly disappointed and saddened to hear this... I wish people would walk in 'others' shoes to experience a day in their life and understand the savage impact that words, however well intentioned, but misplaced, have on that individual
I'm so sorry that you have to deal with this
"Thank you. The worst insults are often those less spoken. A cruel scornful glance, or a smirk and elbow nudge to a friend and a condescending look our way seldom goes unnoticed by me. Truly these insults are worse than someone's forked tongue. It's not like we've both not tried over the years to shed weight, for sure we know it would improve our dwindled swinging experiences, but it has become as difficult to maintain the effort as it would be to fly to the moon without a rocket... weird analogy but I'm so very tired right now. | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh? "Or should we campaign to have it removed from the BBC website ? | |||
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"I am going to babble on about some very personal shit now so please feel free to skip by. Why am I fat? I used to be House Captain at school, captain of all the sports teams I was in and had things not taken a turn for the worse could possibly have gone onto to compete for England in a specific field. As a result of all of that I was bullied. And I mean mentally tortured by some very horrid people. I walked out of a classroom one morning when it all got too much. When I started at a new school I stopped all sport, didn't study and wasted any talent I had for anything. Because blending into the background meant that nobody would notice me. Muscle mass then turned to fat and since the age of 15 I have struggled with my weight. More than that I have struggled with the shit that has gone on in my head because of mindless morons that caused the hurt in the first place. I don't drink and I have never done drugs. So food became my thing. My weight has fluctuated by stones over the years. My mental health has been all over the place. Now I am on here from habit. I weighed less when I started my fab journey in 2015. I would not even contemplate being naked with a guy or having sex anymore because I am ashamed enough of what I have allowed myself to become. So to have a thread like this posted by a man who only shows a fraction of themselves in an avatar, is not what I need to read. I am not celebrating obesity or being overweight. I am not celebrating anything but I have enough compassion to understand when it is right and wrong to open ones mouth or to provoke a discussion. And if all else fails Tom, chuck me in the sea with the sharks because I will either create a tsunami or be enough for all of them to feed upon before they get to you. " Hugs brave lady. You're strong for having going through all that respect x | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh? "Well said! Well said! Well said! | |||
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"I've read this article and there is nowhere does it say anything about BMI. The article also states "too many weight management programmes for those living with obesity beging with moving more and eating less, which in reality is a prevention for obesity, not a cure". It also says about those who have a mutation in their MC4 receptor which makes them hard-wired to store fat. So I'm baffled by your OP to be honest I listened to the Radio on one of the Regional BBC channels this morning and it had doctors and researchers giving far more detail than is in the BBC online snippet. What was most bizarre to me was that it was debated without any cries of fat shaming. Just intelligent conversation. Now there is a thing .." I think that if intelligent conversation was your aim, then your OP needs to be worded *very* differently. Your assertions appear to be intended as inflammatory, not discursive and your choice of topics definitely aren’t reflecting well on you. We’ve had racism, bigotry, conversion therapy, obesity as just some of the topics that you’ve misrepresented. It’s beyond me why you would choose to post another thread on this topic, unless you just want to be divisive but here we are! | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh?
Or should we campaign to have it removed from the BBC website ? "With the greatest respect No Tom. The article was NOT the problem. Your interpretation off it was. | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh?
Or should we campaign to have it removed from the BBC website ? "I dare say that it’s dealt with in a far more sympathetic manner by the BBC and with a degree more balance than your clumsy radiator analogy | |||
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"I think if you’re fat and you want help then ask for it and you’ll get it. You can’t force people to make major life style changes because that’s what it requires to really lose weight. There’s countless factors involved which make it not as simple as eat less move more. The easiest adjustment I would suggest is to cut out ALL fizzy drinks and fruit juices and just drink water or infused water when you’re thirsty. You can buy so many different bottles these days with infusers in them that you put fruit in to give it flavour. Can even buy infusion bags that are like little tea bags to flavour your water. " See I know we have our disagreements on here. But to be fair I know if I wanted help planning my diet and exercise etc, you'd be one of the few on here I'd ask. Especially after your post in the previous thread with understanding trauma effects. Thanks for that post it hit a nerve in a good way | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh?
Or should we campaign to have it removed from the BBC website ?
I dare say that it’s dealt with in a far more sympathetic manner by the BBC and with a degree more balance than your clumsy radiator analogy"Well I do like the difficult topics and of course I could express myself better and I wish I was as elequent as yourself. I am interested in all of the topics I post from sexism to sharks. | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh?
Or should we campaign to have it removed from the BBC website ?
I dare say that it’s dealt with in a far more sympathetic manner by the BBC and with a degree more balance than your clumsy radiator analogy
Well I do like the difficult topics and of course I could express myself better and I wish I was as elequent as yourself. I am interested in all of the topics I post from sexism to sharks. "So what is the actual thread about Tom? That BMI should be replaced by using your eyes? Or is it if obesity is an illness or not? To me they are two different topics | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh?
Or should we campaign to have it removed from the BBC website ?
I dare say that it’s dealt with in a far more sympathetic manner by the BBC and with a degree more balance than your clumsy radiator analogy
Well I do like the difficult topics and of course I could express myself better and I wish I was as elequent as yourself. I am interested in all of the topics I post from sexism to sharks.
So what is the actual thread about Tom? That BMI should be replaced by using your eyes? Or is it if obesity is an illness or not? To me they are two different topics "Well this is my take on what I read and listened to. The thread was about the research which suggests that if obesity is classed as an illness that more could be done to support those people. They said that obese people are 66% more prone to kidney disease.. So the thread was really about that on one hand. The second part was that some doctors think that the BMI is not the perfect indicator of obesity. So if BMI is not a perfect indicator then what is? Then thirdly we had the law of unintended consequences. | |||
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"I'm fat. I asked my GP for help. I was given a list of exercise classes aimed at obese people. However they were all during the day when I'm at work. Another time i was given medication which i took but it didn't work. I have terrible issues with food and my mental health but i don't seem to be able to get the help i need." Exactly. But they can tick the box that says they tried even though the solution was not workable for you. Some people simply cannot accept the fact that others have an addiction to food or unhealthy associations with it that simply can't be broken when someone tells them they're fat and should just stop eating. Imagine if there was someone with anorexia posting on here and there were loads of people just telling them to eat a cheese burger. There would be fucking up roar, and rightly so. But why does their mental health issues matter more than someone who has equally as damaging relationships with food but is far? | |||
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"I'm fat. I asked my GP for help. I was given a list of exercise classes aimed at obese people. However they were all during the day when I'm at work. Another time i was given medication which i took but it didn't work. I have terrible issues with food and my mental health but i don't seem to be able to get the help i need." Also, if you want a PM buddy then drop me a message x | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh?
Or should we campaign to have it removed from the BBC website ?
I dare say that it’s dealt with in a far more sympathetic manner by the BBC and with a degree more balance than your clumsy radiator analogy
Well I do like the difficult topics and of course I could express myself better and I wish I was as elequent as yourself. I am interested in all of the topics I post from sexism to sharks.
So what is the actual thread about Tom? That BMI should be replaced by using your eyes? Or is it if obesity is an illness or not? To me they are two different topics
Well this is my take on what I read and listened to. The thread was about the research which suggests that if obesity is classed as an illness that more could be done to support those people. They said that obese people are 66% more prone to kidney disease.. So the thread was really about that on one hand. The second part was that some doctors think that the BMI is not the perfect indicator of obesity.
So if BMI is not a perfect indicator then what is?
Then thirdly we had the law of unintended consequences. "That's a lot in one OP I think. What do you mean my the law of unintended consequences? Sorry I don't understand | |||
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"I'm fat. I asked my GP for help. I was given a list of exercise classes aimed at obese people. However they were all during the day when I'm at work. Another time i was given medication which i took but it didn't work. I have terrible issues with food and my mental health but i don't seem to be able to get the help i need. Exactly. But they can tick the box that says they tried even though the solution was not workable for you. Some people simply cannot accept the fact that others have an addiction to food or unhealthy associations with it that simply can't be broken when someone tells them they're fat and should just stop eating. Imagine if there was someone with anorexia posting on here and there were loads of people just telling them to eat a cheese burger. There would be fucking up roar, and rightly so. But why does their mental health issues matter more than someone who has equally as damaging relationships with food but is far? " | |||
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"I'm fat. I asked my GP for help. I was given a list of exercise classes aimed at obese people. However they were all during the day when I'm at work. Another time i was given medication which i took but it didn't work. I have terrible issues with food and my mental health but i don't seem to be able to get the help i need. Also, if you want a PM buddy then drop me a message x " Thank you, that's very kind x | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh?
Or should we campaign to have it removed from the BBC website ?
I dare say that it’s dealt with in a far more sympathetic manner by the BBC and with a degree more balance than your clumsy radiator analogy
Well I do like the difficult topics and of course I could express myself better and I wish I was as elequent as yourself. I am interested in all of the topics I post from sexism to sharks.
So what is the actual thread about Tom? That BMI should be replaced by using your eyes? Or is it if obesity is an illness or not? To me they are two different topics
Well this is my take on what I read and listened to. The thread was about the research which suggests that if obesity is classed as an illness that more could be done to support those people. They said that obese people are 66% more prone to kidney disease.. So the thread was really about that on one hand. The second part was that some doctors think that the BMI is not the perfect indicator of obesity.
So if BMI is not a perfect indicator then what is?
Then thirdly we had the law of unintended consequences.
That's a lot in one OP I think. What do you mean my the law of unintended consequences? Sorry I don't understand"The law of unintended consequences where I really really do not intend to make anyone feel like shit. | |||
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I read the first one and I agree with Hope! Weren’t the grenades lobbed in the first thread enough of a warning you had already overstepped the mark Tom… but to push a second thread I think is unforgivable. Sometimes I roll my eyes at your posts but this one had me at WTF!!
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh?
Or should we campaign to have it removed from the BBC website ?
I dare say that it’s dealt with in a far more sympathetic manner by the BBC and with a degree more balance than your clumsy radiator analogy
Well I do like the difficult topics and of course I could express myself better and I wish I was as elequent as yourself. I am interested in all of the topics I post from sexism to sharks.
So what is the actual thread about Tom? That BMI should be replaced by using your eyes? Or is it if obesity is an illness or not? To me they are two different topics
Well this is my take on what I read and listened to. The thread was about the research which suggests that if obesity is classed as an illness that more could be done to support those people. They said that obese people are 66% more prone to kidney disease.. So the thread was really about that on one hand. The second part was that some doctors think that the BMI is not the perfect indicator of obesity.
So if BMI is not a perfect indicator then what is?
Then thirdly we had the law of unintended consequences.
That's a lot in one OP I think. What do you mean my the law of unintended consequences? Sorry I don't understand
The law of unintended consequences where I really really do not intend to make anyone feel like shit. "We live in a time where people want to be able to say what they like without repercussion, and get all defensive when there's clapback. If you don't mean offence, then it is ALWAYS best to carefully consider what you're going to put before you put it out there. The alternative is you CAN say what you want, but you WILL get called out if it's not a particularly considered or considerate opinion. Simple answer - think before you type. | |||
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"Fair play to you and Diamond Couger. I apologise sincerely for any offence caused and request the Mods to close the thread. I think the thread was worthy of a thread but I expressed myself badly. I am going to stick to my crocodiles snakes and sharks for a little while. Even Lionel has turned against me . "
I did say you made me laugh but the thread has clearly upset a lot of people.
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" Some people simply cannot accept the fact that others have an addiction to food or unhealthy associations with it that simply can't be broken when someone tells them they're fat and should just stop eating. Imagine if there was someone with anorexia posting on here and there were loads of people just telling them to eat a cheese burger. There would be fucking up roar, and rightly so. But why does their mental health issues matter more than someone who has equally as damaging relationships with food but is far? " Yep, well said. It's sickening witnessing the amount of hate that gets thrown at you just because you're fat. As I said on the other thread, you can be slim and unhealthy too, but as long as you're not carrying weight it's not really an issue is it?  | |||
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"After an inbox of unpleasant mails I did want to clarify my thoughts. Now there are other threads for those who not interested in news items. And no 'shaming' from me. It's interesting when some people cannot undermine the article then they attack the poster..
Tom. I hope you take what I am about to write with the measured tone that is intended.
People come to Fab for all sorts of reasons but mostly it is to build self esteem, feel desired, explore sexual fantasies without “real world” judgement. It’s a safe space where people can demonstrate that they are more than they appear and in doing so, move away from societal stereotypes.
In a way it’s a place for us all, to park real world judgements, have fun, explore and be kind to one another.
When you bring up stories about sharks or badgers or things like this, we can engage with that, tongue in cheek or seriously, but without any impact to us as individuals.
Some topics however bring people crashing back down to the real world and drag fab and it’s members back into that restrictive, narrow minded societal view of the individual, the thing they came here to escape is there in front of them.
Perhaps this real world “news story” that has a negative effect on people’s self esteem should be left back there, on the bbc website. Eh? "What he said!  | |||
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"The weighing scales don't lie...simple as Saying that... I have massive empathy for the peeps who have gained alot of weight uncontrollably due to meds...defo not easy" Phew - for a moment I thought you were serious
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"I'm fat. I asked my GP for help. I was given a list of exercise classes aimed at obese people. However they were all during the day when I'm at work. Another time i was given medication which i took but it didn't work. I have terrible issues with food and my mental health but i don't seem to be able to get the help i need." This just highlights how terrible the NHS is for most weight lose issues. Their first port of call was exercise classes, then medication? Laughable | |||
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I’m not fat. I have fat, you have fat, some have more than others but I am not fat.
If you are addicted to drugs there is help and ways of avoiding it. If you are addicted to alcohol there are ways of avoiding it and help out there for you. If you are overweight you have to face your demon at every meal, every day and you are not supported, you are ridiculed and labelled as lazy and unhealthy and told to ‘cut down’ ‘follow a diet’.
If a weight issue is caused by over eating there is far more to that than simply food. It is a psychological problem but the support isn’t there for that because people would prefer to simply tell you to start eating healthily. Overweight people with medical problems, mobility issues etc are all treated the same - stop over eating and exercise. If it was that simple don’t you think everyone would lose weight?
Nobody has to justify being slim, even though they can be very unhealthy. People carrying additional weight are always having to justify how they got there. That’s mainly because people think you are unhealthy if you are overweight and you are instantly dismissed.
I have no time or interest in people that are so dismissive and insensitive about others suffering, they will probably be the same people starting threads about supporting people with mental health issues. Hypocrites.
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"One shaming post not enough Tom?
I’m not fat. I have fat, you have fat, some have more than others but I am not fat.
If you are addicted to drugs there is help and ways of avoiding it. If you are addicted to alcohol there are ways of avoiding it and help out there for you. If you are overweight you have to face your demon at every meal, every day and you are not supported, you are ridiculed and labelled as lazy and unhealthy and told to ‘cut down’ ‘follow a diet’.
If a weight issue is caused by over eating there is far more to that than simply food. It is a psychological problem but the support isn’t there for that because people would prefer to simply tell you to start eating healthily. Overweight people with medical problems, mobility issues etc are all treated the same - stop over eating and exercise. If it was that simple don’t you think everyone would lose weight?
Nobody has to justify being slim, even though they can be very unhealthy. People carrying additional weight are always having to justify how they got there. That’s mainly because people think you are unhealthy if you are overweight and you are instantly dismissed.
I have no time or interest in people that are so dismissive and insensitive about others suffering, they will probably be the same people starting threads about supporting people with mental health issues. Hypocrites.
Such ignorance on here.
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"One shaming post not enough Tom?
I’m not fat. I have fat, you have fat, some have more than others but I am not fat.
If you are addicted to drugs there is help and ways of avoiding it. If you are addicted to alcohol there are ways of avoiding it and help out there for you. If you are overweight you have to face your demon at every meal, every day and you are not supported, you are ridiculed and labelled as lazy and unhealthy and told to ‘cut down’ ‘follow a diet’.
If a weight issue is caused by over eating there is far more to that than simply food. It is a psychological problem but the support isn’t there for that because people would prefer to simply tell you to start eating healthily. Overweight people with medical problems, mobility issues etc are all treated the same - stop over eating and exercise. If it was that simple don’t you think everyone would lose weight?
Nobody has to justify being slim, even though they can be very unhealthy. People carrying additional weight are always having to justify how they got there. That’s mainly because people think you are unhealthy if you are overweight and you are instantly dismissed.
I have no time or interest in people that are so dismissive and insensitive about others suffering, they will probably be the same people starting threads about supporting people with mental health issues. Hypocrites.
Such ignorance on here.
I would correct you on one thing. I often have to justify why I am so thin. And take comments, at work, like “gosh your thin” or “aren’t you skinny”. This happens almost daily if I am out in society or in the office. "And that is just as bad. | |||
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Apologies x"She was she was just very kindly letting off the hook people who have gained weight directly as a result of medications. Indeed a very simplistic view of a very complicated issue but then i guess that's all some people can manage. Tom you took way way too long to apologise. | |||
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"I dislike the word fat. What one person sees as fat another sees as perfect. There is a lot more to a person than what is obviously the first visual expression. One person may see it as fat, another may see it as large but mainly muscular. The world would be so much nicer if people tried just a little bit harder not to be negative about others. I know I probably haven't worded it all correctly but i know what I am trying to say. Acceptance should be more common place" | |||
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"Fair play to you and Diamond Couger. I apologise sincerely for any offence caused and request the Mods to close the thread. I think the thread was worthy of a thread but I expressed myself badly. I am going to stick to my crocodiles snakes and sharks for a little while. Even Lionel has turned against me .
I did say you made me laugh but the thread has clearly upset a lot of people.
Hopefully people will accept the apology
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"Fat is an essential component of all complex organisms. "And on this site an essential component of quite a few complex orgasms too. | |||
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"Fat is an essential component of all complex organisms. "Fat doesn't make you fat, carbohydrates do. Well genetics aside anyway. | |||
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"Fat is an essential component of all complex organisms.
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"Maybe, just maybe we could just let this whole thread just drop off page one and head into the abyss." We should but why start a number 2 | |||
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"Maybe, just maybe we could just let this whole thread just drop off page one and head into the abyss. We should but why start a number 2 "I didn't start number 2. I am saying let this post just disappear off now. It has caused a lot of upset and arguments. | |||
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"Maybe, just maybe we could just let this whole thread just drop off page one and head into the abyss. We should but why start a number 2
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I am saying let this post just disappear off now. It has caused a lot of upset and arguments."Not you xxx | |||
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"Maybe, just maybe we could just let this whole thread just drop off page one and head into the abyss. We should but why start a number 2
I didn't start number 2.
I am saying let this post just disappear off now. It has caused a lot of upset and arguments."Just talk about something else instead tillbthe thread is closed | |||
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"Maybe, just maybe we could just let this whole thread just drop off page one and head into the abyss. Now that's like a better option than ranting on about the article. Why do you keep bumping it then?" I'm just trying to max it out with out talking about what the topic was | |||
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"Maybe, just maybe we could just let this whole thread just drop off page one and head into the abyss. Now that's like a better option than ranting on about the article. Why do you keep bumping it then? I'm just trying to max it out with out talking about what the topic was "You should read the forum rules. | |||
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It will drop off on it's own no need to spam it.
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"Maybe, just maybe we could just let this whole thread just drop off page one and head into the abyss. Now that's like a better option than ranting on about the article. Why do you keep bumping it then? I'm just trying to max it out with out talking about what the topic was
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"BBC news reporting this from a study by Birmingham University and some hospitals. The article suggests that obesity should be classed as an illness and people given support and recognises that a host of other issues may cause and contribute to obesity. They also found that the BMI index is not perfect but do not propose an alternative. My analogy is this. I once had a hallway which had the tiniest radiator you could imagine and even at full heat the hall was always very cold in the winter. Somebody I knew was a mechanical engineer and dealt in formulas for heat loss, through windows and walls etc and designed heating systems for large buildings accordingly. His advice to me was this. Look at the size of the room and look at the size of the radiator. If the radiator looks too small then it probably is. In the same way. I don't think you need a chart to tell if someone is overweight. Your eyes will do that for you. " The only thing that hallway has in common with is its cold like your heart as you trample over a lot of people's feelings and mental health not once but twice in a day. | |||
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"There’s a feature on Fab where if you don’t like a thread you can scroll on by and go to another, I recommend it highly. " And there’s a feature where you can comment when you think people are talking crap and that’s what I did | |||
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"There’s a feature on Fab where if you don’t like a thread you can scroll on by and go to another, I recommend it highly. And there’s a feature where you can comment when you think people are talking crap and that’s what I did ". I didn’t read this one. First one annoyed me enough. | |||
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"Just skim read the thread and didn’t see part 1 at all and I don’t agree with anyone body shaming anyone else at all, if that’s what’s been happening, however I don’t think we should shy away from discussing the principle of obesity per se being a health risk, no more or no less so than say someone dangerously underweight, or an excessive smoker, or an excessive drinker etc. etc. I’ve fluctuated with weight over the years - at my heaviest I was 21st and very obese with excessively high blood pressure and my Doctor basically gave me an ultimatum : lose weight or risk very serious illness or death. I chose to lose weight, and while I’m still no Adonis I’ve lost a lot and feel a million times better for it! But hey, there’s ways to talk about it without being a dick about and hopefully nobody has been shamed over the course of the 2 threads .. "I think threads like these are more about seeing how people view those that have weight issues, that’s always an interesting one and a very good way of avoiding those people. The fact that there is yet another thread about it tells you everything you need to know. | |||
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"Why are we fat shaming... I find it abhorrent and disappointing.. Or shaming of any form... Personally i don't think it has any place in todays society Just because you read it, does not necessarily mean you need to spread /promote it
Sadly it seems to be the one area that remains unpoliced.
If someone is insulted because of their appearance, gender, age, sexuality etc, the person making those remarks can be fined and admonished.
Yet people persistently insult us fat folk and supposedly it's fair game. "Yep, in the future hate crime / thought crime will be so inclusive to cover everyone , because in 2021 we all have a basic human right to be a victim | |||
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"There’s a feature on Fab where if you don’t like a thread you can scroll on by and go to another, I recommend it highly. And there’s a feature where you can comment when you think people are talking crap and that’s what I did "Yeah that’s fine, but some topics I won’t even click on the thread, cause I know exactly how it will go and I’m not going to waste energy arguing with people. | |||
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Yeah that’s fine, but some topics I won’t even click on the thread, cause I know exactly how it will go and I’m not going to waste energy arguing with people. "Quite right, it’s not worth it I’m not arguing though, I’m giving my opinion. | |||
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"Personally I'd rather be in the company of a curvy/ample girl who has some personality, and is a pleasure to have around, rather than some stick insect who thinks that her shit doesn't stink, and has her head so far up her own butt that she could do with a miners lamp on their forehead to help them see in that dark passage. " A thread where people have challenged body shaming in a really productive way. Read the room. | |||
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"Personally I'd rather be in the company of a curvy/ample girl who has some personality, and is a pleasure to have around, rather than some stick insect who thinks that her shit doesn't stink, and has her head so far up her own butt that she could do with a miners lamp on their forehead to help them see in that dark passage. " Wow ... body shaming or what? Such not a nice gentleman! Anyone who describes anyone using their weight really isn't nice ... shaming anyone for any reason isn't nice. People's personalities aren't linked to solely one aspect of their physicality ... judgemental! | |||
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"Personally I'd rather be in the company of a curvy/ample girl who has some personality, and is a pleasure to have around, rather than some stick insect who thinks that her shit doesn't stink, and has her head so far up her own butt that she could do with a miners lamp on their forehead to help them see in that dark passage. " Because fat women don't have egos or shot personalities because we're all so 'jolly' all the time huh. How offensive are you actually trying to be? You don't have to put other down to try and make yourself look better to fat women. | |||
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"Here we go again, words taken out of context, and misinterpreted as usual. " Ok so you didn't say all fat women were jolly. I'll retract that but you still felt it vwcessary to label thin women as up their own arsed and felt the need to run them down. Why? | |||
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"Here we go again, words taken out of context, and misinterpreted as usual. " "Personally I'd rather be in the company of a curvy/ample girl who has some personality, and is a pleasure to have around, rather than some stick insect who thinks that her shit doesn't stink, and has her head so far up her own butt that she could do with a miners lamp on their forehead to help them see in that dark passage." What you actually wrote ... how can that be misinterpreted? | |||
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"Personally I'd rather be in the company of a curvy/ample girl who has some personality, and is a pleasure to have around, rather than some stick insect who thinks that her shit doesn't stink, and has her head so far up her own butt that she could do with a miners lamp on their forehead to help them see in that dark passage. " Wow , you really know how to charm the ladies!! | |||
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"Personally I'd rather be in the company of a curvy/ample girl who has some personality, and is a pleasure to have around, rather than some stick insect who thinks that her shit doesn't stink, and has her head so far up her own butt that she could do with a miners lamp on their forehead to help them see in that dark passage. Wow , you really know how to charm the ladies!! " But of course, that's why I get so much positive feedback. | |||
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This is one of the most appalling threads I have ever commented in & insightful also...
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" This is one of the most appalling threads I have ever commented in & insightful also...
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" This is one of the most appalling threads I have ever commented in & insightful also...
It's increased my block list ". I don’t block forum people because of secret service but my private notes have been busy! | |||
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"Nine responses in such a short space of time of time. Sure goes to prove that reverse psychology, and controversy prompts attention. Bring it on." None is not that many. | |||
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"Nine responses in such a short space of time of time. Sure goes to prove that reverse psychology, and controversy prompts attention. Bring it on. None is not that many. " None, am I missing something here? | |||
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"Having read the thread I'm going to try to approach this in the sincerest way possible. I don't think we need to view "fat" as an illness; I think that perhaps it's more of a symptom than a cause, whatever the cause may be (mental, physical, genetic, etc...), but is up to an individual to address if they so wish. For any individual thinking they are fat: you may feel sexy, you may feel helpless, you may feel embarrassed... it is not for "the real word", forumites, or anyone else for that matter to judge you. But I think, on the whole, you've got the support of a good bunch of people here saying to just be yourself and stay brilliant. And IF you feel your weight is an issue, and you wish to seek help for it to explore, I'd recommend a more holistic approach as these can be complex matters. But that choice is yours and yours alone. " At last, a bit of common sense, where did you spring from. | |||
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"Nine responses in such a short space of time of time. Sure goes to prove that reverse psychology, and controversy prompts attention. Bring it on. None is not that many. None, am I missing something here?" Fat fingers  nine | |||
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"To me it's all about health . I was overweight about 4 years ago like 18stone. I was fine with it until I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. This was totally down to me noone was to blame but myself . I took responsibility and lost 5 stone. My diebetes had gone or in remission. I love BBWs but if being large affects your health you should do something about it if you want to have a long happy life " 5 stone loss is brilliant! | |||
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"Having read the thread I'm going to try to approach this in the sincerest way possible. I don't think we need to view "fat" as an illness; I think that perhaps it's more of a symptom than a cause, whatever the cause may be (mental, physical, genetic, etc...), but is up to an individual to address if they so wish. For any individual thinking they are fat: you may feel sexy, you may feel helpless, you may feel embarrassed... it is not for "the real word", forumites, or anyone else for that matter to judge you. But I think, on the whole, you've got the support of a good bunch of people here saying to just be yourself and stay brilliant. And IF you feel your weight is an issue, and you wish to seek help for it to explore, I'd recommend a more holistic approach as these can be complex matters. But that choice is yours and yours alone. " I think the point of the original discussion Tom was referring to was that if it is classed as an illness then more will be done to treat it. Perhaps not terming it as fat is am illness, it should be referred to as food addiction or something that truly reflects the psychological side of the issue. I'm not an uneducated person. I know what should work to lose weight. My Dr once told me the only way I would lose weight is if I obsessed about it to the point I had an eating disorder. Fantastic. | |||
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"Having read the thread I'm going to try to approach this in the sincerest way possible. I don't think we need to view "fat" as an illness; I think that perhaps it's more of a symptom than a cause, whatever the cause may be (mental, physical, genetic, etc...), but is up to an individual to address if they so wish. For any individual thinking they are fat: you may feel sexy, you may feel helpless, you may feel embarrassed... it is not for "the real word", forumites, or anyone else for that matter to judge you. But I think, on the whole, you've got the support of a good bunch of people here saying to just be yourself and stay brilliant. And IF you feel your weight is an issue, and you wish to seek help for it to explore, I'd recommend a more holistic approach as these can be complex matters. But that choice is yours and yours alone. I think the point of the original discussion Tom was referring to was that if it is classed as an illness then more will be done to treat it. Perhaps not terming it as fat is am illness, it should be referred to as food addiction or something that truly reflects the psychological side of the issue. I'm not an uneducated person. I know what should work to lose weight. My Dr once told me the only way I would lose weight is if I obsessed about it to the point I had an eating disorder. Fantastic. " He sounds like a brilliant doctor What a nob. | |||
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"Having read the thread I'm going to try to approach this in the sincerest way possible. I don't think we need to view "fat" as an illness; I think that perhaps it's more of a symptom than a cause, whatever the cause may be (mental, physical, genetic, etc...), but is up to an individual to address if they so wish. For any individual thinking they are fat: you may feel sexy, you may feel helpless, you may feel embarrassed... it is not for "the real word", forumites, or anyone else for that matter to judge you. But I think, on the whole, you've got the support of a good bunch of people here saying to just be yourself and stay brilliant. And IF you feel your weight is an issue, and you wish to seek help for it to explore, I'd recommend a more holistic approach as these can be complex matters. But that choice is yours and yours alone. I think the point of the original discussion Tom was referring to was that if it is classed as an illness then more will be done to treat it. Perhaps not terming it as fat is am illness, it should be referred to as food addiction or something that truly reflects the psychological side of the issue. I'm not an uneducated person. I know what should work to lose weight. My Dr once told me the only way I would lose weight is if I obsessed about it to the point I had an eating disorder. Fantastic. " I thing there is a sever lack of education in the matter though - I should clarify, in terms of professionals like doctors, not from you! I think our medical system is designed to address management of specific issues without realising that there may be on thing causing multiple issues, but that gets missed. A broader approach to an individual's health would be my preferred option, but our NHS is restrained on this respect and we treat physical and mental completely differently. Obviously I'm not a doctor, however, just have experienced the physical and mental sides of NHS support and comparing from personal experience. | |||
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"Having read the thread I'm going to try to approach this in the sincerest way possible. I don't think we need to view "fat" as an illness; I think that perhaps it's more of a symptom than a cause, whatever the cause may be (mental, physical, genetic, etc...), but is up to an individual to address if they so wish. For any individual thinking they are fat: you may feel sexy, you may feel helpless, you may feel embarrassed... it is not for "the real word", forumites, or anyone else for that matter to judge you. But I think, on the whole, you've got the support of a good bunch of people here saying to just be yourself and stay brilliant. And IF you feel your weight is an issue, and you wish to seek help for it to explore, I'd recommend a more holistic approach as these can be complex matters. But that choice is yours and yours alone. I think the point of the original discussion Tom was referring to was that if it is classed as an illness then more will be done to treat it. ** Perhaps not terming it as fat is am illness, it should be referred to as food addiction or something that truly reflects the psychological side of the issue. I'm not an uneducated person. I know what should work to lose weight. My Dr once told me the only way I would lose weight is if I obsessed about it to the point I had an eating disorder. Fantastic. " ** Ah this makes sense to me now. Good point. Hope you have a new doctor.
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"Having read the thread I'm going to try to approach this in the sincerest way possible. I don't think we need to view "fat" as an illness; I think that perhaps it's more of a symptom than a cause, whatever the cause may be (mental, physical, genetic, etc...), but is up to an individual to address if they so wish. For any individual thinking they are fat: you may feel sexy, you may feel helpless, you may feel embarrassed... it is not for "the real word", forumites, or anyone else for that matter to judge you. But I think, on the whole, you've got the support of a good bunch of people here saying to just be yourself and stay brilliant. And IF you feel your weight is an issue, and you wish to seek help for it to explore, I'd recommend a more holistic approach as these can be complex matters. But that choice is yours and yours alone. I think the point of the original discussion Tom was referring to was that if it is classed as an illness then more will be done to treat it. Perhaps not terming it as fat is am illness, it should be referred to as food addiction or something that truly reflects the psychological side of the issue. I'm not an uneducated person. I know what should work to lose weight. My Dr once told me the only way I would lose weight is if I obsessed about it to the point I had an eating disorder. Fantastic. He sounds like a brilliant doctor What a nob."Yeah. He was great in one aspect but tactless in others. Mh sister had terrible psoriasis in her hair line and eyebrows once and he looked at her and said 'yes, we need to get this sorted as your not looking your prettiest at the moment are you'! He's retired now thankfully | |||
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"Having read the thread I'm going to try to approach this in the sincerest way possible. I don't think we need to view "fat" as an illness; I think that perhaps it's more of a symptom than a cause, whatever the cause may be (mental, physical, genetic, etc...), but is up to an individual to address if they so wish. For any individual thinking they are fat: you may feel sexy, you may feel helpless, you may feel embarrassed... it is not for "the real word", forumites, or anyone else for that matter to judge you. But I think, on the whole, you've got the support of a good bunch of people here saying to just be yourself and stay brilliant. And IF you feel your weight is an issue, and you wish to seek help for it to explore, I'd recommend a more holistic approach as these can be complex matters. But that choice is yours and yours alone. I think the point of the original discussion Tom was referring to was that if it is classed as an illness then more will be done to treat it. Perhaps not terming it as fat is am illness, it should be referred to as food addiction or something that truly reflects the psychological side of the issue. I'm not an uneducated person. I know what should work to lose weight. My Dr once told me the only way I would lose weight is if I obsessed about it to the point I had an eating disorder. Fantastic. He sounds like a brilliant doctor What a nob.
Yeah. He was great in one aspect but tactless in others. Mh sister had terrible psoriasis in her hair line and eyebrows once and he looked at her and said 'yes, we need to get this sorted as your not looking your prettiest at the moment are you'! He's retired now thankfully "Oh my goodness! | |||
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"Having read the thread I'm going to try to approach this in the sincerest way possible. I don't think we need to view "fat" as an illness; I think that perhaps it's more of a symptom than a cause, whatever the cause may be (mental, physical, genetic, etc...), but is up to an individual to address if they so wish. For any individual thinking they are fat: you may feel sexy, you may feel helpless, you may feel embarrassed... it is not for "the real word", forumites, or anyone else for that matter to judge you. But I think, on the whole, you've got the support of a good bunch of people here saying to just be yourself and stay brilliant. And IF you feel your weight is an issue, and you wish to seek help for it to explore, I'd recommend a more holistic approach as these can be complex matters. But that choice is yours and yours alone. I think the point of the original discussion Tom was referring to was that if it is classed as an illness then more will be done to treat it. Perhaps not terming it as fat is am illness, it should be referred to as food addiction or something that truly reflects the psychological side of the issue. I'm not an uneducated person. I know what should work to lose weight. My Dr once told me the only way I would lose weight is if I obsessed about it to the point I had an eating disorder. Fantastic. He sounds like a brilliant doctor What a nob.
Yeah. He was great in one aspect but tactless in others. Mh sister had terrible psoriasis in her hair line and eyebrows once and he looked at her and said 'yes, we need to get this sorted as your not looking your prettiest at the moment are you'! He's retired now thankfully "My GP years ago when I put all my weight on told me I was too fat, stop eating. Previous to that she told me to stop thinking, when I had a serious mental breakdown. | |||
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"Having read the thread I'm going to try to approach this in the sincerest way possible. I don't think we need to view "fat" as an illness; I think that perhaps it's more of a symptom than a cause, whatever the cause may be (mental, physical, genetic, etc...), but is up to an individual to address if they so wish. For any individual thinking they are fat: you may feel sexy, you may feel helpless, you may feel embarrassed... it is not for "the real word", forumites, or anyone else for that matter to judge you. But I think, on the whole, you've got the support of a good bunch of people here saying to just be yourself and stay brilliant. And IF you feel your weight is an issue, and you wish to seek help for it to explore, I'd recommend a more holistic approach as these can be complex matters. But that choice is yours and yours alone. I think the point of the original discussion Tom was referring to was that if it is classed as an illness then more will be done to treat it. Perhaps not terming it as fat is am illness, it should be referred to as food addiction or something that truly reflects the psychological side of the issue. I'm not an uneducated person. I know what should work to lose weight. My Dr once told me the only way I would lose weight is if I obsessed about it to the point I had an eating disorder. Fantastic. He sounds like a brilliant doctor What a nob.
Yeah. He was great in one aspect but tactless in others. Mh sister had terrible psoriasis in her hair line and eyebrows once and he looked at her and said 'yes, we need to get this sorted as your not looking your prettiest at the moment are you'! He's retired now thankfully
My GP years ago when I put all my weight on told me I was too fat, stop eating. Previous to that she told me to stop thinking, when I had a serious mental breakdown.
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"Having read the thread I'm going to try to approach this in the sincerest way possible. I don't think we need to view "fat" as an illness; I think that perhaps it's more of a symptom than a cause, whatever the cause may be (mental, physical, genetic, etc...), but is up to an individual to address if they so wish. For any individual thinking they are fat: you may feel sexy, you may feel helpless, you may feel embarrassed... it is not for "the real word", forumites, or anyone else for that matter to judge you. But I think, on the whole, you've got the support of a good bunch of people here saying to just be yourself and stay brilliant. And IF you feel your weight is an issue, and you wish to seek help for it to explore, I'd recommend a more holistic approach as these can be complex matters. But that choice is yours and yours alone. I think the point of the original discussion Tom was referring to was that if it is classed as an illness then more will be done to treat it. Perhaps not terming it as fat is am illness, it should be referred to as food addiction or something that truly reflects the psychological side of the issue. I'm not an uneducated person. I know what should work to lose weight. My Dr once told me the only way I would lose weight is if I obsessed about it to the point I had an eating disorder. Fantastic. He sounds like a brilliant doctor What a nob.
Yeah. He was great in one aspect but tactless in others. Mh sister had terrible psoriasis in her hair line and eyebrows once and he looked at her and said 'yes, we need to get this sorted as your not looking your prettiest at the moment are you'! He's retired now thankfully
My GP years ago when I put all my weight on told me I was too fat, stop eating. Previous to that she told me to stop thinking, when I had a serious mental breakdown.
I once went to hospital seeking help as I was suffering with my mental health and at risk of doing damage. The doctor responded with "there are people in this world suffering with more serious things, like a sore throat, than what you're going through"." | |||
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"I'm not addicted to food either. Nor do I particularly enjoy eating. " Yes everyone is different. I definitely have a sugar addiction. | |||
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"I have a small radiator in 1 room but open fire... now I'm confused...lol" So is this thread about being fat or central heating? | |||
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"Having read the thread I'm going to try to approach this in the sincerest way possible. I don't think we need to view "fat" as an illness; I think that perhaps it's more of a symptom than a cause, whatever the cause may be (mental, physical, genetic, etc...), but is up to an individual to address if they so wish. For any individual thinking they are fat: you may feel sexy, you may feel helpless, you may feel embarrassed... it is not for "the real word", forumites, or anyone else for that matter to judge you. But I think, on the whole, you've got the support of a good bunch of people here saying to just be yourself and stay brilliant. And IF you feel your weight is an issue, and you wish to seek help for it to explore, I'd recommend a more holistic approach as these can be complex matters. But that choice is yours and yours alone. I think the point of the original discussion Tom was referring to was that if it is classed as an illness then more will be done to treat it. Perhaps not terming it as fat is am illness, it should be referred to as food addiction or something that truly reflects the psychological side of the issue. I'm not an uneducated person. I know what should work to lose weight. My Dr once told me the only way I would lose weight is if I obsessed about it to the point I had an eating disorder. Fantastic. He sounds like a brilliant doctor What a nob.
Yeah. He was great in one aspect but tactless in others. Mh sister had terrible psoriasis in her hair line and eyebrows once and he looked at her and said 'yes, we need to get this sorted as your not looking your prettiest at the moment are you'! He's retired now thankfully
My GP years ago when I put all my weight on told me I was too fat, stop eating. Previous to that she told me to stop thinking, when I had a serious mental breakdown.
I once went to hospital seeking help as I was suffering with my mental health and at risk of doing damage. The doctor responded with "there are people in this world suffering with more serious things, like a sore throat, than what you're going through"."I have no words that is shocking. Hope you've come out the other side of it. | |||
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"Having read the thread I'm going to try to approach this in the sincerest way possible. I don't think we need to view "fat" as an illness; I think that perhaps it's more of a symptom than a cause, whatever the cause may be (mental, physical, genetic, etc...), but is up to an individual to address if they so wish. For any individual thinking they are fat: you may feel sexy, you may feel helpless, you may feel embarrassed... it is not for "the real word", forumites, or anyone else for that matter to judge you. But I think, on the whole, you've got the support of a good bunch of people here saying to just be yourself and stay brilliant. And IF you feel your weight is an issue, and you wish to seek help for it to explore, I'd recommend a more holistic approach as these can be complex matters. But that choice is yours and yours alone. " Hit the nail on the head there, and how I view it | |||
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"Nine responses in such a short space of time of time. Sure goes to prove that reverse psychology, and controversy prompts attention. Bring it on." Not all attention is good though is it? | |||
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"Being obese is the other side of the coin to being anorexic,in my opinion. One (anorexia) is looked at more sympathetically (generally)these days, the other (obesity) is still surrounded by so much judgement. " | |||
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"Personally I'd rather be in the company of a curvy/ample girl who has some personality, and is a pleasure to have around, rather than some stick insect who thinks that her shit doesn't stink, and has her head so far up her own butt that she could do with a miners lamp on their forehead to help them see in that dark passage. " Personally I think you’d take what you could get considering you’re the standby cock for when your mate can’t do meets. | |||
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