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Fat is the illness

By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat...

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By *elle xWoman over a year ago

Doire Theas

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BMI is a bullshit measure.

Better with a set of calipers and someone who can use them.

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By *ojobinksMan over a year ago

swindon

"Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat..."

That’s your opinion, people come in different sizes and some people can’t help it

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By *yron69Man over a year ago

Fareham

"Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat..."

Equally a bag of bones is a bag of bones...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's so easy to be close minded when actually being obese can be an illness. Whether it be an addiction to food, eating disorder or emotional eating through trauma. Telling someone to just 'simply lose weight' doesn't cut it, you have to find the reasons behind why they are. The word fat is not helpful and no one has the right to comment on anyone's weight full stop

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"It's so easy to be close minded when actually being obese can be an illness. Whether it be an addiction to food, eating disorder or emotional eating through trauma. Telling someone to just 'simply lose weight' doesn't cut it, you have to find the reasons behind why they are. The word fat is not helpful and no one has the right to comment on anyone's weight full stop

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

GRENADE!!

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's not me saying it. It's the medical profession. It's all over the news folks

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By *nlyfun3Woman over a year ago

NEAR Berkhamsted,Herts

BMI doesn't account for my boobs and muscles lol

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By *tew008Man over a year ago

edinburgh

Fat is a thing though a component of everyone so I can see why they wouldn’t classify it as an illness. Obese, yea it isn’t good for the body so I can see why it would be classed as an illness which a number of variations like how cancer is an all encompassing word.

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Are you a doctor?

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By *irty desireWoman over a year ago

newcatle

"Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat..."

So what.. believe me fat people know their fat.. don’t care how you dress it up

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By *ecadent_DevonMan over a year ago

Okehampton

Tom’s wisdom of the day “if you look fat, then you are fat”

Tune in tomorrow for more deep analysis of breaking news (I don’t make this stuff up you know!)

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Liverpool

Looking strong, John!

Points if you get the reference.

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

I think BMI isn't the ideal method to calculate obesity in all cases, such as athletes etc.

But I do think obesity is an illness, beyond the weight itself. There are countless things like mental health and injuries etc than can contribute to weight gain. It's not all about telling people you just need to move more eat less.

I am concerned what effects my weight will do on my joints or that just because I'm obese I've increased my chances of kidney disease by 66%.

Am I fat yes, am I gradually loosing weight yes and it's because my mental health is better and I'm making better lifestyle choices. Not because I'm doing anything specific. People judging and calling me fat, just makes me more depressed and more likely to go eat rubbish. So they actually contribute to my obesity. So people shouldn't comment on others weight unless they are their medically trained.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Freaking hell.

If I chose to say you look ignorant then you must be ignorant then? Amen? Is that how it works?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Obesity is an illness. Nobody would choose to be obese as a lifestyle choice.

Food is a bastard because its the thing that can make you overweight but it’s the thing that you do to comfort yourself when you feel bad about being overweight.

I’m an emotional eater. When I feel sad I’ll eat and I’ll eat shit.

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

Thanks for clarifying that Tom.

I've been looking in the mirror thinking I was Twiggy

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

"Obesity is an illness. Nobody would choose to be obese as a lifestyle choice.

Food is a bastard because its the thing that can make you overweight but it’s the thing that you do to comfort yourself when you feel bad about being overweight.

I’m an emotional eater. When I feel sad I’ll eat and I’ll eat shit. "

Until it's happened to them they won't understand.

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By * Sophie xTV/TS over a year ago

Derby

"It's not me saying it. It's the medical profession. It's all over the news folks "

So yet again you want to voice your controversial opinion but you aren't brave enough to voice your own and instead hunt out a news article to hide behind as it suits your vitriol.

How lovely of you.

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By *he Ring WraithMan over a year ago

Bradford

"Obesity is an illness. Nobody would choose to be obese as a lifestyle choice.

Food is a bastard because its the thing that can make you overweight but it’s the thing that you do to comfort yourself when you feel bad about being overweight.

I’m an emotional eater. When I feel sad I’ll eat and I’ll eat shit. "

Oh i know that feeling so well ! At the moment way way too often as well !

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By *he AmbassadorMan over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara

"Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat..."
this has a popcorn and beer one written all over it.

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"It's not me saying it. It's the medical profession. It's all over the news folks

So yet again you want to voice your controversial opinion but you aren't brave enough to voice your own and instead hunt out a news article to hide behind as it suits your vitriol.

How lovely of you. "

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

Said it before and I'll say it again..... It is as unhealthy to starve yourself to 4 stone as it is to eat yourself to 40 but which one gets the most support from the public and from mental health providers?

People view being fat as simply being lazy and eating too much. No one considers the triggers for those.

Yes on the base of it calories vs calories out works but the mind of someone with a horrible relationship with food is just not able to sort that out.

I have been big my whole life. Over the last 10 or so years I've been fairly active but still remained big.

Personally I have issues with fairness of portion sizes, secret (in the car) eating, fear of feeling hungry etc.

I will plan trips around where I could stop to get certain foods I like. I will have fill on arguments with myself in supermarkets as to whether or not I can buy a tub of ice cream.

People look at me as a size 22, 19 stone woman and think ft slob yet I have complete 160 parkrun, have a box full of 5k, 10k, and half marathon medals. I have completed the London marathon. I have done several 50 mile bike rides. I have climbed snowdon. I can squat 135kg, bench press 72.5kg and deadlift 120kg. I do not give up.

But all people see is a fatty that they can take the piss out of and I'll tell you what....Not one person that has ridiculed me has spurred me on to want to lose weight. The only times I've ever tried is when I actually start to love myself as I am now, forgive myself as I am now and want to treat my body better.

Ive fallen off the wagon time and time again but I am far more than a plot line on a chart.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Obesity is an illness. Nobody would choose to be obese as a lifestyle choice.

Food is a bastard because its the thing that can make you overweight but it’s the thing that you do to comfort yourself when you feel bad about being overweight.

I’m an emotional eater. When I feel sad I’ll eat and I’ll eat shit. "

This is totally me too

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Liverpool

"Obesity is an illness. Nobody would choose to be obese as a lifestyle choice.

Food is a bastard because its the thing that can make you overweight but it’s the thing that you do to comfort yourself when you feel bad about being overweight.

I’m an emotional eater. When I feel sad I’ll eat and I’ll eat shit. "

Not fully accurate. They are people that do fully embrace a certain body size/shape. Now, is it an illness that they view that? That is a whole other debate itself. Not one that I have the capacity to discuss.

There are other things that cause weight gain outside of eating incorrectly, and/or lack of exercise. Weight gain/obesity is a symptom of or caused by other illnesses. Or a side effect of certain medications.

It is unfair to say that those things are directly an illness. Or that they can easily be fixed by a good diet and exercise.

This is why it's far more complex that just fat is fat.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Said it before and I'll say it again..... It is as unhealthy to starve yourself to 4 stone as it is to eat yourself to 40 but which one gets the most support from the public and from mental health providers?

People view being fat as simply being lazy and eating too much. No one considers the triggers for those.

Yes on the base of it calories vs calories out works but the mind of someone with a horrible relationship with food is just not able to sort that out.

I have been big my whole life. Over the last 10 or so years I've been fairly active but still remained big.

Personally I have issues with fairness of portion sizes, secret (in the car) eating, fear of feeling hungry etc.

I will plan trips around where I could stop to get certain foods I like. I will have fill on arguments with myself in supermarkets as to whether or not I can buy a tub of ice cream.

Ive fallen off the wagon time and time again but I am far more than a plot line on a chart. "

Very well put! I am sure many can relate to that - I certainly can!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Obesity is an illness. Nobody would choose to be obese as a lifestyle choice.

Food is a bastard because its the thing that can make you overweight but it’s the thing that you do to comfort yourself when you feel bad about being overweight.

I’m an emotional eater. When I feel sad I’ll eat and I’ll eat shit. "

Unlike booze or tobacco or drugs food addiction is the one thing you cannot go cold turkey on as you need food to survive. But again, those who don't experience it cannot comprehend it and so claim it not to be a legitimate thing.

I work in a service that looks after lots of people that did things I couldn't even begin to understand yet I don't claim those things aren't real.

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By *rincess peachWoman over a year ago

shits creek

I've been struggling this past week. Ya know when photo memories pop up.

Seeing pictures of myself 3 and 4 years ago I was the happiest I've ever been with how I looked. Problem.... I wasn't good mentally. I wasn't making healthy life choices. I was starving myself but... I felt I had a tiny bit of control and I fucking loved it.

Now, I've put on a stone n half, I look in the mirror and don't like the cunt staring back at me. She's old, she's overweight and she's too fucking scared to do anything about it in case she fails at that too. So she sabotages herself even more by eating the wrong foods at the wrong times. She wants to have that tiny piece of control again, but knows for her physical and mental health it's a downward spiral, coz yeah, she looked awesome but needed vitamin supplements coz her bloodwork was dire and she really shouldn't have even been standing let alone working 16 hour days.

A lot of time, weight and mental heath go hand in hand, so I disagree, it can very much be medical

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

People view being fat as simply being lazy and eating too much. No one considers the triggers for those.

Yes on the base of it calories vs calories out works but the mind of someone with a horrible relationship with food is just not able to sort that out.

I have been big my whole life. Over the last 10 or so years I've been fairly active but still remained big.

Personally I have issues with fairness of portion sizes, secret (in the car) eating, fear of feeling hungry etc.

I will plan trips around where I could stop to get certain foods I like. I will have fill on arguments with myself in supermarkets as to whether or not I can buy a tub of ice cream.

Ive fallen off the wagon time and time again but I am far more than a plot line on a chart. "

this. And so true. Doesn’t matter how many people tell you to do things it needs to come from you. Same with people telling you that you look great/don’t need to lose weight etc. Means nothing if you’re not happy with yourself x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are all so preoccupied with this bloody topic.

Why some people are “fat” and some are “average” or “skinny” can be for a multitude of reasons. Diet of course is a factor but so is body type, underlying medical conditions and eating disorders. Culturally our diet has changed massively over the last 50 years with the availability and affordability of processed foods and we are seeing the effects of that in our society.

Our views on people who are “fat” has also changed over the years. Somehow we now associate “skinny” with health, control and restraint when most skinny people are naturally skinny and don’t have to make an effort to sustain it. Where as “fat” is seen as a lack of control, gluttonous and unhealthy but most “fat” people weight is a continuous and often daily struggle to manage.

A little less judgment and a little more kindness is a start.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Pre-pandemic, and slowly happening again now, sitting on public transport as an obese person I have had people move seats as I have sat down or look at me in disgust that they feel they cannot sit down next to me due to my size.

I can honestly say their actions and disdain don't make me drop 5 stone instantaneously, all they do is make me cry inside. The crying doesn't help my mental health and the mental health then sends other stuff into a tailspin.

Like with many things in life until you have walked in the shoes of someone who suffers from anything it is difficult to comment on it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hang on, so if you're medically trained you can comment on people's weight? But if you're not, you can't.

Does this apply to all walks of life? If your cars broken you can't comment on it unless you're a trained mechanic, your boilers broke but you can't suggest an issue because you're not a trained gas engineer.

"Oh look at the blind cunt he can't drive for shit"

"well unless you are a optometrist that's a driving instructor you can shut up you dickhead"

"Omg, you have never had or owned a penis, calling me a dickhead is very insensitive"

"You blasphemous soul, taking the lord's name in vein"

"Soul....vein, don't you know I dentify as vampire?"

Seriously where does it end.

I don't give a shit if your fat, thin, tall, short, any letter of the alphabetti spaghetti brigade, some colour that is on a dulux chart. Just don't be a dick. Offensive is taken not given. Just wish more people remembered "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"

If you've stayed to the end of this little meltdown, well done. But wasn't worth it was it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's not me saying it. It's the medical profession. It's all over the news folks "

Are you known to your friends etc as 'It's all over news Tom'?

Im not seeing these 'Medical experts' on any of the news sites I see.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Pre-pandemic, and slowly happening again now, sitting on public transport as an obese person I have had people move seats as I have sat down or look at me in disgust that they feel they cannot sit down next to me due to my size.

Like with many things in life until you have walked in the shoes of someone who suffers from anything it is difficult to comment on it.

Hope - thank you for your bravery and sharing your experiences. People are cruel and a lot of the time their lack of emotional intelligence is a big factor. We need people to explain how our actions affect them so that we can learn and change attitudes. I know Im still learning and I hope I never stop x

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By *ereagainlolMan over a year ago

Lerwick

If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

"Hang on, so if you're medically trained you can comment on people's weight? But if you're not, you can't.

"Oh look at the blind cunt he can't drive for shit"

"well unless you are a optometrist that's a driving instructor you can shut up you dickhead"

"Omg, you have never had or owned a penis, calling me a dickhead is very insensitive"

"You blasphemous soul, taking the lord's name in vein"

"Soul....vein, don't you know I dentify as vampire?"

Seriously where does it end.

If you've stayed to the end of this little meltdown, well done. But wasn't worth it was it.

Not really worth it no. My weight is none of your concern therefore no you don't get to comment on me being overweight. I know I am and am taking steps to rectify it. And yes name calling and shaming people does hurt them. I suffered domestic abuse in the past and I can tell you one thing now, it's the words that mave made the biggest impact not the scars and bruises.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Like with many things in life until you have walked in the shoes of someone who suffers from anything it is difficult to comment on it.

I agree with that last bit Hope. I don’t believe in the “everyone is entitled to an opinion” phrase. Unless you’ve been through/live with whatever the subject is then no I don’t think people are entitled to an opinion on it. I touched lightly on this the other day on another thread. I fail to see how anyone can have an opinion on something they know nothing about or haven’t lived through x

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By *eliWoman over a year ago

Like with many things in life until you have walked in the shoes of someone who suffers from anything it is difficult to comment on it.

People are twunts Hope, I'm sorry you had to experience that.

You're right - the disdain doesn't spur you on to lose weight. That's not to say that for some disparaging comments and actions will have that effect but on a personal, anecdotal level I know at my heaviest the thing that motivated me to lose weight was actually beginning to love myself and finding happiness within me. Food, like for posters before, is an emotional crutch and it takes years of work to do undo years of damage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?"

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Liverpool

Like with many things in life until you have walked in the shoes of someone who suffers from anything it is difficult to comment on it.

But they can, that's what an opinion is. And why they can have one on anything and everything. It's just an uninformed opinion.

BUT that is also exactly why you should not just accept their opinion, and why opinions should be challenged and queationed. "my opinion" is not an excuse or a shield to hide behind when challenged.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"BMI is a bullshit measure.

Better with a set of calipers and someone who can use them."

Or a mirror

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think the OP has posted this to upset a few people on here....and now he has run away....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Like with many things in life until you have walked in the shoes of someone who suffers from anything it is difficult to comment on it.

But they can, that's what an opinion is. And why they can have one on anything and everything. It's just an uninformed opinion.

BUT that is also exactly why you should not just accept their opinion, and why opinions should be challenged and queationed. "my opinion" is not an excuse or a shield to hide behind when challenged. "

I didn't say people should not be able to make a comment I said it made it difficult to comment.

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By *VineMan over a year ago

The right place

Is being an insensitive cockwomble an illness too?

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

Like with many things in life until you have walked in the shoes of someone who suffers from anything it is difficult to comment on it.

But they can, that's what an opinion is. And why they can have one on anything and everything. It's just an uninformed opinion.

Everyone can have an opinion of course they can. But I don't personally believe they should automatically voice it. Unless they are willing to help the person they are expressing that opinion to, if that makes sense?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is being an insensitive cockwomble an illness too? "

No, think that’s a lifestyle choice.

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By *rincess peachWoman over a year ago

shits creek

Like with many things in life until you have walked in the shoes of someone who suffers from anything it is difficult to comment on it.

I think everyone is entitled to an education would be more apt, and one where they listen to understand. One where they hear from people who have lived it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is being an insensitive cockwomble an illness too? "

No because that's something the person chose to be....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat..."

This isn’t the medical profession saying it though…

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Like with many things in life until you have walked in the shoes of someone who suffers from anything it is difficult to comment on it.

But they can, that's what an opinion is. And why they can have one on anything and everything. It's just an uninformed opinion.

I know nobody can stop them but no I don’t see how you can and I won’t accept opinions on certain things. How can you honestly have a valid opinion on something you know nothing about?

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By *ereagainlolMan over a year ago

Lerwick

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"BMI is a bullshit measure.

Better with a set of calipers and someone who can use them.

Or a mirror"

Well I can tell you now I don't need to look in the mirror to know that I am obese. I can tell by many things that I do. I can also tell by the actions and comments of those around me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No one has the right to tell anyone they are fat.

No one person is better than the other in this world.

So many posts lately on fab are all about putting people down.

It's those people who need to reign their necks in and think before they speak.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either."

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

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By *ereagainlolMan over a year ago

Lerwick

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple. "

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Like with many things in life until you have walked in the shoes of someone who suffers from anything it is difficult to comment on it.

But they can, that's what an opinion is. And why they can have one on anything and everything. It's just an uninformed opinion.

BUT that is also exactly why you should not just accept their opinion, and why opinions should be challenged and queationed. "my opinion" is not an excuse or a shield to hide behind when challenged.

I know nobody can stop them but no I don’t see how you can and I won’t accept opinions on certain things. How can you honestly have a valid opinion on something you know nothing about? "

Opinions are like cocks, only get them out in company when they are asked for.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm fat... I know why... The only opinion on it that counts is mine

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat..."

Is it that simple though? What about if you don't look fat but are fat? Ie visceral fat... Which is surely more dangerous and unhealthy?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point."

But you haven’t

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By *anae21Woman over a year ago

Nearer than you think

"It's not me saying it. It's the medical profession. It's all over the news folks "

No, but then YOU added this....

"Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat..."

Take responsibility for your own bigotry, Tom.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"BMI is a bullshit measure.

Better with a set of calipers and someone who can use them."

It is and it isn’t

Lower BMI is better than higher BMI for the majority of people so as an absolute it can be useful - if you don’t have callipers etc

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By *ominant 71Man over a year ago

Durham

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat...

That’s your opinion, people come in different sizes and some people can’t help it "

That's very true... But it is also true that for many people it is unhealthy caused by lifestyle and that as a nation we have a crisis with our kids.

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By *ereagainlolMan over a year ago

Lerwick

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t"

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Like with many things in life until you have walked in the shoes of someone who suffers from anything it is difficult to comment on it.

But they can, that's what an opinion is. And why they can have one on anything and everything. It's just an uninformed opinion.

BUT that is also exactly why you should not just accept their opinion, and why opinions should be challenged and queationed. "my opinion" is not an excuse or a shield to hide behind when challenged.

I know nobody can stop them but no I don’t see how you can and I won’t accept opinions on certain things. How can you honestly have a valid opinion on something you know nothing about?

Opinions are like cocks, only get them out in company when they are asked for. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it. "

Why do you assume that it is all high calorie food that causes you to be fat? Do you think that all fat people use their little chubby fingers to force 12000 calories per meal into their mouth?

So far today I have eaten two slices of granary toast. Would still take copious amounts of Sky remotes to measure around my belly though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"BMI is a bullshit measure.

Better with a set of calipers and someone who can use them.

Or a mirror

Well I can tell you now I don't need to look in the mirror to know that I am obese. I can tell by many things that I do. I can also tell by the actions and comments of those around me. "

My point I guess is that if your overweight you don't need anyone to tell you you can see it or as you say, know it yourself. Your either then happy with it or your not.I don't judge it's the individuals choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"BMI is a bullshit measure.

Better with a set of calipers and someone who can use them.

Or a mirror

Well I can tell you now I don't need to look in the mirror to know that I am obese. I can tell by many things that I do. I can also tell by the actions and comments of those around me.

The BMI comment and calipers was a sensible comment. People register BMI obese levels that are not even overweight. Calipers measure fat.

The mirror comment was perhaps a little harsh. We could all look in an imaginary mirror from time to time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it. "

But food is needed to live. Eating with an eating disorder is bloody hard and you are continually triggered. Is there any other addiction that you have to control and still partake of?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This old argument again. Yes I’m fat, I’ve done something about my weight but had a setback that I’ve no control over at the moment. When I lose weight it’s done for my benefit, and not for everyone else to make judgements of me.

People who make comments, are rude and abusive don’t help and often have the opposite effect on us, as we choose food as our comfort, or/and it affects our mental health. But yes walk a mile in my shoes then come back and see what your opinion is then. X

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By *ohnny_ThunderMan over a year ago

LLandudno

It's a difficult subject because there is so much conflicting advice, it's hard to know what to eat for the best.

Sugar is addictive, without a doubt, and there is so much sugar pumped into food these days - it's scary when you read the labels. Why does my packet of chicken contain sugar?!

From my experience it's not just how little you eat but also what you eat that makes you gain fat. Eat too many carbs than your body can use and it will get stored as fat. A large plateful of green veg is not equal to a tiny piece of toast.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it. "

You assume everyone that is fat is on a high calorie low exercise lifestyle... They aren't

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Best advice about weight and being fat.. is talk to your doctor not some halfwit stirring shit on a swinging forum x

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By *ereagainlolMan over a year ago

Lerwick

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

Why do you assume that it is all high calorie food that causes you to be fat? Do you think that all fat people use their little chubby fingers to force 12000 calories per meal into their mouth?

So far today I have eaten two slices of granary toast. Would still take copious amounts of Sky remotes to measure around my belly though. "

Ok, I will admit that there are cases of people that can eat very little and still put on weight, but in most cases even you have to admit that it is what people eat that puts weight on and the amount of exercise they do. Before anyone else has a go, I eat loads of chips and fatty foods, crisps and chocolate and drink about 2 litres of full fat Pepsi a day. I am lucky to have a very high metabolism so don't even need to exercise. I've never been over 14 stone in my life and I'm 6'4". I am not having a go at anyone who is what the doctors call obese, in fact I prefer a bigger woman. I was only pointing out that if you call obesity an illness because you can't help eating, smoking has to be an illness in the same respect.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

I don't think anyone has called anyone else fat on this thread have they? It is a national problem.

It's actually an important health issue that many are struggling with... I for one would love to get some help with the answer to being a healthier weight.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"BMI is a bullshit measure.

Better with a set of calipers and someone who can use them.

Or a mirror

Well I can tell you now I don't need to look in the mirror to know that I am obese. I can tell by many things that I do. I can also tell by the actions and comments of those around me.

The BMI comment and calipers was a sensible comment. People register BMI obese levels that are not even overweight. Calipers measure fat.

The mirror comment was perhaps a little harsh. We could all look in an imaginary mirror from time to time."

I don't like BMI. It doesn't account for above average muscle mass, I am obese according to BMI. Sorry you feel the mirror is harsh but I believe the mirror to be an excellent guide rather than scales. Many people get caught up on magic number on the scales rather than how they look and feel.

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By *ohnny_ThunderMan over a year ago

LLandudno

I think we would all benefit from clear, accurate advice as to how to achieve fat loss!

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Best advice about weight and being fat.. is talk to your doctor not some halfwit stirring shit on a swinging forum x"

Funny you say that... I think some people are lucky enough to have good Dr's. I spoke to mine only yesterday about it... That was the 4th time in 5 years. They are just not interested... The answer was (as it was a phone appt as getting a physical appt is harder than meeting the queen) "oh OK"...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Has this got sharks in it?? If not, I'm not interested!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

Why do you assume that it is all high calorie food that causes you to be fat? Do you think that all fat people use their little chubby fingers to force 12000 calories per meal into their mouth?

So far today I have eaten two slices of granary toast. Would still take copious amounts of Sky remotes to measure around my belly though.

Again you don’t need to smoke to live, you do need to eat.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The 'bmi' is helishly outdated system. Im 13.5st 9% body fat, on the chart im overweight.

Its a system that is calculated chronically wrong

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BMI is rubbish.

Fat can be an illness.

Sugar is addictive.

Some people make excuses for their weight, some people have genuine reasons for their weight.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat..."

Tom should be a doctor.

Mavis wonders what would it achieve classing it as an illness.

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS over a year ago

London

Obesity is pathological therefore an illness, defined by calculating the BMI.

Though it is flawed, it is still useful as a rough guide especially when taken with other parameters, in predicting potential risk to certain complications (hypertension, diabetes, coronary related diseases, respiratory diseases etc).

It is a simple guide that everybody can self calculate and may take pro-active measures or seek professional helps if they want to.

Underlying causes for the elevated BMI, though, should be professionally and thoroughly investigated.

I don't think 'Fat' is an illness.

In relation to physical appearance, it is just a word to describe certain appearance and very subjective with no clear guideline or objective definitive criteria.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"BMI is a bullshit measure.

Better with a set of calipers and someone who can use them.

Or a mirror

Well I can tell you now I don't need to look in the mirror to know that I am obese. I can tell by many things that I do. I can also tell by the actions and comments of those around me.

The BMI comment and calipers was a sensible comment. People register BMI obese levels that are not even overweight. Calipers measure fat.

The mirror comment was perhaps a little harsh. We could all look in an imaginary mirror from time to time.

Is the issue really that we don't know we have an unhealthy composition or is it that we know the answer... Anyway you want to measure it... But we really struggle to activate good habits and do something about it?

I mean does anyone really not know that a plate of green veg is better for them than 4 cans of Stella and a bag of crisps? Or is it that we find it really hard to make the right choices and that deliveroo won't deliver 2 cabbages but are happy to send us a xxxxl stuff crust pizza with 2l of full fat ?

Or when we shop at supermarkets we don't find bags of carrot batons or an apple near the checkout but a 2 for 1 on cadburies fruit and nut (one of your 5 a day) and a litre can of monster ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Obesity is an illness. Nobody would choose to be obese as a lifestyle choice.

Food is a bastard because its the thing that can make you overweight but it’s the thing that you do to comfort yourself when you feel bad about being overweight.

I’m an emotional eater. When I feel sad I’ll eat and I’ll eat shit.

I work in a service that looks after lots of people that did things I couldn't even begin to understand yet I don't claim those things aren't real. "

I agree.

And this is why obesity is its own epidemic, food is a part of life and an addiction to it is much harder to tackle than your usual cigarettes or alcohol.

It is often looked down on by health professionals who think that one rule fits all which is eat less move more not realising that there are huge psychological factors that cause people to find it difficult.

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By *hunky GentMan over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

Fucking hell.

Am i fat????

Crikey - i didn't know that.

There's worse things in life that I could be - like an arrogant twat.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

Why do you assume that it is all high calorie food that causes you to be fat? Do you think that all fat people use their little chubby fingers to force 12000 calories per meal into their mouth?

So far today I have eaten two slices of granary toast. Would still take copious amounts of Sky remotes to measure around my belly though.

I understand where you are coming from. Addictions are labeled as an illness such as alcoholism. So I see where you are going with smoking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Fucking hell.

Am i fat????

Crikey - i didn't know that.

There's worse things in life that I could be - like an arrogant twat.

Arrogance doesn’t really kill though does it.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Hang on, so if you're medically trained you can comment on people's weight? But if you're not, you can't.

"Oh look at the blind cunt he can't drive for shit"

"well unless you are a optometrist that's a driving instructor you can shut up you dickhead"

"Omg, you have never had or owned a penis, calling me a dickhead is very insensitive"

"You blasphemous soul, taking the lord's name in vein"

"Soul....vein, don't you know I dentify as vampire?"

Seriously where does it end.

If you've stayed to the end of this little meltdown, well done. But wasn't worth it was it.

How would you like to comment on people's weight?

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

This is absolutely true and people trying to not hurt others feelings are damaging peoples health by standing against this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This old argument again. Yes I’m fat, I’ve done something about my weight but had a setback that I’ve no control over at the moment. When I lose weight it’s done for my benefit, and not for everyone else to make judgements of me.

This...being overweight is not simply over eating. There are many factors that cause it. I think someone's mental health is a huge factor that is overlooked. We shouldn't judge the reason just support whatever the solution is for the individual.

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By *hunky GentMan over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

"Fucking hell.

Am i fat????

Crikey - i didn't know that.

There's worse things in life that I could be - like an arrogant twat.

Arrogance doesn’t really kill though does it. "

Be arrogant towards others that are suffering mentally can - yes.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Eating and even overeating.... is not an illness.

Addictive behaviour, as the term suggests, is by definition something you know you should not be doing as it causes you problems in your life, your health and general well-being. But you cannot control it and that is the issue.

Neither food nor eating are per se inherently bad but addictive, eg emotional eating is a symptom of underlying dis-ease.

Hence, obesity (bulimia, anorexia etc) are classed as illness.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?"

Yes. That's why there are stop smoking clinics and medication to help people stop smoking and therapies available on the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"BMI is a bullshit measure.

Better with a set of calipers and someone who can use them.

Or a mirror

Well I can tell you now I don't need to look in the mirror to know that I am obese. I can tell by many things that I do. I can also tell by the actions and comments of those around me.

The BMI comment and calipers was a sensible comment. People register BMI obese levels that are not even overweight. Calipers measure fat.

The mirror comment was perhaps a little harsh. We could all look in an imaginary mirror from time to time.

Or when we shop at supermarkets we don't find bags of carrot batons or an apple near the checkout but a 2 for 1 on cadburies fruit and nut (one of your 5 a day) and a litre can of monster .... "

All the shit food is cheap as while buying organic well sourced food is out of reach

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either."

But not all fat people are fat because of eating unhealthy high calorie foods.

Many fat people have poor eating habits such as eating one meal a day, skipping breakfast, or not eating regularly enough. All of that can contribute to becoming overweight due to the bodies metabolism slowing down which makes weight loss a lot harder.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Obesity is an illness. Nobody would choose to be obese as a lifestyle choice.

Food is a bastard because its the thing that can make you overweight but it’s the thing that you do to comfort yourself when you feel bad about being overweight.

I’m an emotional eater. When I feel sad I’ll eat and I’ll eat shit. "

My Labrador does that, even when’s happy

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat...

Tom should be a doctor.

Mavis wonders what would it achieve classing it as an illness. "

If you have an illness people are a bit happier about asking for a bit of help perhaps? Not sure.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"BMI is a bullshit measure.

Better with a set of calipers and someone who can use them."

The BMI was developed during WW2 when people were starving

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Fucking hell.

Am i fat????

Crikey - i didn't know that.

There's worse things in life that I could be - like an arrogant twat.

Arrogance doesn’t really kill though does it.

Be arrogant towards others that are suffering mentally can - yes. "

But arrogance means to have an exaggerated sense of ones own importance, it refers to the individual themselves deeming themselves superior to others.

Arrogance doesn’t kill, being obese or overweight does.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Obesity is an illness. Nobody would choose to be obese as a lifestyle choice.

Food is a bastard because its the thing that can make you overweight but it’s the thing that you do to comfort yourself when you feel bad about being overweight.

I’m an emotional eater. When I feel sad I’ll eat and I’ll eat shit.

I work in a service that looks after lots of people that did things I couldn't even begin to understand yet I don't claim those things aren't real.

I agree.

And this is why obesity is its own epidemic, food is a part of life and an addiction to it is much harder to tackle than your usual cigarettes or alcohol.

Not to mention actual physiological issues such as insulin resistance or pcos etc both of which I have. And which make it difficult (not impossible) to lose weight. Eat less, move more is fine but it's more accurate to eat right for your body and move more.

If I eat high carb meals, ebmven within my calorie defecit I will feel hungry just an hour later as my body doesn't deal with carbs in the 'normal' way and I have lots of hungry insulin running through my body wanting soemthing to do so my brain tells me to eat more.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

Also people saying BMI is rubbish don’t understand it, it’s a tool to see body index, not how fat you are. Everyone’s heart is the size it is proportional to their body. BMI is more a measure on how much stress your heart is under supplying the size of your body with blood.

So yes, even if it’s all muscle, your still overweight and by medical standards, putting too much pressure on your heart and would benefit being smaller

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By *rincess peachWoman over a year ago

shits creek

"Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat...

Tom should be a doctor.

Mavis wonders what would it achieve classing it as an illness.

If you have an illness people are a bit happier about asking for a bit of help perhaps? Not sure.

Not when it's something people can be so flippant about with it's "cure"

Just do this, just do that.

When you're screaming inside that you do want to eat to hurt yourself just that little bit more, or you don't want to eat even though you're so hungry you could puke just to hurt yourself that little bit more.

It's not always easy asking for help, especially when you don't know why you're hurting yourself, why self sabotage is the safe space. When you're terrified if you do unlock the real issues they'll put you in your grave coz if you can't control food, then you've no fucking chance of making it out alive when it comes to the deep stuff...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Also people saying BMI is rubbish don’t understand it, it’s a tool to see body index, not how fat you are. Everyone’s heart is the size it is proportional to their body. BMI is more a measure on how much stress your heart is under supplying the size of your body with blood.

So yes, even if it’s all muscle, your still overweight and by medical standards, putting too much pressure on your heart and would benefit being smaller "

So why label the ranges as fat, obese, morbidly obese etc if it's not to do with that?

BMI is outdated and is often used for the wrong reasons. I think my 'ideal' weight range is 9 stone something. Like fuck will I ever get to 9 stone.

But I am trying to lose weight so we shall see lol

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By *ereagainlolMan over a year ago

Lerwick

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

Why do you assume that it is all high calorie food that causes you to be fat? Do you think that all fat people use their little chubby fingers to force 12000 calories per meal into their mouth?

So far today I have eaten two slices of granary toast. Would still take copious amounts of Sky remotes to measure around my belly though.

I understand where you are coming from. Addictions are labeled as an illness such as alcoholism. So I see where you are going with smoking. "

Thank you

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

So yes, even if it’s all muscle, your still overweight and by medical standards, putting too much pressure on your heart and would benefit being smaller

So why label the ranges as fat, obese, morbidly obese etc if it's not to do with that?

BMI is outdated and is often used for the wrong reasons. I think my 'ideal' weight range is 9 stone something. Like fuck will I ever get to 9 stone.

But I am trying to lose weight so we shall see lol "

As has been said... For many of us... We know we are overweight.(and underweight is an issue too but not as many suffer with it) We know what a healthy weight would be for a typical person...and yes we know there will be variations for individual cases. Weather we use BMI or callipers or scales or anything else...we know. I don't believe that knowing we are overweight is the issue generally. I think it's what we do when we are armed with that knowledge...deciding to acknowledge it is an issue

.. And then taking actions to make changes... Its hard.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is being an insensitive cockwomble an illness too? "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is being an insensitive cockwomble an illness too?

Alas, just a way of life, for most

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is being an insensitive cockwomble an illness too? "

I guess if you're addicted to being a cockwomble??

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

"Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat...

Tom should be a doctor.

Mavis wonders what would it achieve classing it as an illness.

If you have an illness people are a bit happier about asking for a bit of help perhaps? Not sure.

Not when it's something people can be so flippant about with it's "cure"

Just do this, just do that.

Preach peach, as someone who has done both extremes with eating disorders. It's about trying to be in control of something anything as long as you have something to control.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it. "

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wonder what the medical profession are saying about emotional intelligence and whether that is 'all over the news'?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Tom. I'm on your side - almost.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I wonder what the medical profession are saying about emotional intelligence and whether that is 'all over the news'?

They are saying Emotional Intelligence enables you to see the truth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?"

Obesity in itself isn't an illness.

but it can be made worse by illnesses or on the other side of the coin, obesity can be the root cause of many ailments, illnesses, diseases. Take type 2 diabetes for example.

Obesity is a symptom of a problem. Not the problem itself.

My problem was that I ate way too much highly processed sugary and fatty foods.

After consciously making substantial changes to what I put in my mouth, my excess weight is slowly shifting.

You have to make a real shift in your mindset before the pounds will shift off of your body.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more. "

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I wonder what the medical profession are saying about emotional intelligence and whether that is 'all over the news'?

I’d guess they’re busy keeping people alive instead of considering how they might feel

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?"

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think you should be able to discuss weight but it should be done with tact and so that there is a positive outcome. If no one asked you to comment on their weight then hush. If someone asks for help with weight issues be tactful, supportive and work on a healthy process. A little kindness goes a long way.

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By *etwifeandhim69Couple over a year ago

Darlington

"Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat..."

Im.guessing a curvy girl said no to meeting you and your ego just cant take it.

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By *rincess peachWoman over a year ago

shits creek

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?"

If there's a water leak, stopping the water flow or turning it down to a trickle ain't gonna fix it long term. The pipe itself needs time, care and attention, or the problem won't get properly solved, the water may get diverted but the pipe is still damaged and when the water gets turned back up it may spring a bigger leak.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"It's not me saying it. It's the medical profession. It's all over the news folks

So yet again you want to voice your controversial opinion but you aren't brave enough to voice your own and instead hunt out a news article to hide behind as it suits your vitriol.

How lovely of you. "

It's good to hear differing views and I am inclusive. Your view is important too. I disagree with the Vitriol part but hey.. we all have different personalities and views

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Fucking hell.

Am i fat????

Crikey - i didn't know that.

There's worse things in life that I could be - like an arrogant twat.

Arrogance doesn’t really kill though does it. "

What about that Italian ship's captain who ran aground showing off how great a sailor he was in the med.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think you should be able to discuss weight but it should be done with tact and so that there is a positive outcome. If no one asked you to comment on their weight then hush. If someone asks for help with weight issues be tactful, supportive and work on a healthy process. A little kindness goes a long way. "

This...

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high. "

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

I think we need to stop handling health with kiddie gloves. Your fat, that’s all there is to it. We don’t care why or how you got there, we first from a medical standpoint agree this isn’t healthy and needs to change.

That’s what I thought the topic was about. There’s a growing “fat acceptance” movement where people try to refuse the claims from medical science suggesting that being fat isn’t a problem and lots of people are too afraid to stand up against them in heat of being labelled negatively

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We're all going to die some day. Rather than slating people for life choices, let's just let people live their lives the way they want, and offer support if they decide they want or need to change.

Simple as that.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

Change “your” to “they’re”

I’m really bad at using the royal “you”

That isn’t aimed at anyone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

I don’t think there’s any specific “topic” but rather someone repeating what they read or heard then attaching their opinion to it.

There’s nothing wrong with “standing up” against people wanting to join in on an unhealthy movement but it’s the way it’s done, take people who suffer with mental health and have suicidal thoughts for example, nobody thinks to jump in and be brutally honest right off the bat because we understand they’re vulnerable individuals who need help in the most empathetic manner possible.

Why is the same respect never given to people who struggle with their weight? “You’re fat eat less lose more” is never going to work for everyone nor is it progressive.

There are ways people can help without making the person they claim they’re trying to help feel worse than they already do.

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By *ouple_SpondonCouple over a year ago

Spondon

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

I agree that I don’t believe being massively overweight should be celebrated but in the same breath people shouldn’t be made to feel ashamed of themselves. I’m a fucking horrible cunt sometimes and I’ve said many times how I look at peoples trollies in the supermarkets and when I see them full of all bad foods and see that the people are hugely overweight I do think we’ll you’re not really helping yourself there but that’s a snap judgment I make. It’s part of my personality that I don’t like about myself but if anyone ever asked me to help them to lose weight I would do it in a heartbeat.

I’d write meal plans, I’d tell them exactly what to eat, I’d tell them that it’s okay to have a day where you fall off the wagon and have a shit food day and I’d help them get back on the wagon.

You can’t give advice unless someone asks you for it. I learnt that on here before.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

I don’t think there’s any specific “topic” but rather someone repeating what they read or heard then attaching their opinion to it.

Why is the same respect never given to people who struggle with their weight? “You’re fat eat less lose more” is never going to work for everyone nor is it progressive.

There are ways people can help without making the person they claim they’re trying to help feel worse than they already do. "

I think the first step needs to be brutal though. There’s groups out there saying “being fat can be healthy, some people can’t help being fat” etc etc

We need to stand up for the NHS and bat that shit away fast.

Now once you’ve made the point, that’s where soft care comes into playing. Working with people to help them lose weight in a healthy fashion.

But when people outright claim fat is healthy in a fat acceptance movement? We gotta be brutal

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

But by not caring how of why people get there you're never really going to solve the 'problem' of people being overweight are you?

Dismissing emotional eating or any mental health aspect of overeating is just plsinlg ridiculous. You wouldn't dismiss the mental health of someone with anorexia would you?

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By *ooBulMan over a year ago

Missin’ Yo’ Kissin’

BMI is "Bolocks". Period!...

In fact there is no proper way to measure a person's weight... I've read countless articles in martial arts mags as well as fitness mags & books (alot), by doctors & experts in nutrition who came to this conclusion!

A buff 20 stone Rugby player would be considered obese/morbidly obese. As would Dwane "The Rock" Johnson.

I am not ripped but I ain't fat either. I'm stocky as I have done martial arts for many years!

I refuse to give my weight cos I know we (meaning my doctor and myself), are going to argue with one another at a yearly examination. I say it does not take into account very fit people's body mass/muscles & muscle structure nor does it take into account edderly peoples body types. They know this but still do a one - fits all system! Why?

If your under the BMI in a routine assessment a medical person would not necessarily go into that....

Bloody 'ell I have had a bit of a moan... in War & Peace length.

So, should have said there is not a proper way to look at weight & doctors know it! Fact cos my doctors shut up & get very annoyed with me.

I say to them stop doing a one-fits-all system. We are all different...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

The very last thing a person struggling with their weight or an eating disorder needs... is being labelled and made to feel worse.

"Pull yourself" together does not help a depressed person anymore than "don't be fat -eat less" will help an overweight person.

I genuinely do not believe anybody wants or chooses to be obese.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

But by not caring how of why people get there you're never really going to solve the 'problem' of people being overweight are you?

Dismissing emotional eating or any mental health aspect of overeating is just plsinlg ridiculous. You wouldn't dismiss the mental health of someone with anorexia would you? "

I think you’ve messed entirely my point.

Dealing with that stuff comes after. First we need to be brutal and tell people with no ifs or buts. Being fat isn’t healthy. The fat acceptance movement is so reading false information.

It’s like if someone was addicted to drugs and there was a movement saying being addicted to drugs is healthy. You gotta get the facts straight first.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?"

No. They're saying being a dick about it to them isn't going to help them. How hard is that to understand?!

It's a big like telling an anorexic person to nust eat a cheesecake.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Obesity is often the symptom of an illness (usually a hidden one). Only the most ignorant of people fail to see that

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By *ooBulMan over a year ago

Missin’ Yo’ Kissin’

Oh and "ner-ner-na-ner-ner" - cue Rasberry sound followed by a one finger pointing up to the ceiling!

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

But when people outright claim fat is healthy in a fat acceptance movement? We gotta be brutal "

I understand where you are coming from to a degree - but there is everything wrong in that last statement. Brutality does not help - it makes matters worse.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Obesity is often the symptom of an illness (usually a hidden one). Only the most ignorant of people fail to see that"
Spot on!

And only the least emotionally intelligent will have a go at those affected by it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is just one circumstance I’m familiar with where a person chooses to be overweight. My sister is a psychologist and her area of expertise then is sexual assault victims. She works alongside the police as well and is on call 24 hours a day 365 days a year (along with other members that do the same job) if someone is attacked she is the one to take them in the tanker proof room, bag their clothes and swab them internally and be their whilst their exam is done, pictures etc. It’s a horrific process.

She deals with the aftermath of historical abuse, recent abuse, all kinds of sexual abuse.

*Some* of these victims both men and women it’s not limited to one sex, after surviving this kind of abuse they eat, they eat and they eat and they eat and they gorge and they eat and they eat some more. They want to make themselves as big as possible and in their minds as unattractive as possible, why, because they don’t want to be found attractive or assaulted again.

You think fat shaming them or telling them c’mon now fatty out the crisps down and have an apple instead.

It’s not going to work is it, there’s deep psychological issues there that need to be repaired before you can even begin to address the weight issue.

Nobody knows everyone’s individual back story on how they became overweight.

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

But by not caring how of why people get there you're never really going to solve the 'problem' of people being overweight are you?

Dismissing emotional eating or any mental health aspect of overeating is just plsinlg ridiculous. You wouldn't dismiss the mental health of someone with anorexia would you?

I think you’ve messed entirely my point.

Dealing with that stuff comes after. First we need to be brutal and tell people with no ifs or buts. Being fat isn’t healthy. The fat acceptance movement is so reading false information.

It’s like if someone was addicted to drugs and there was a movement saying being addicted to drugs is healthy. You gotta get the facts straight first. "

Do you honestly think that fat people don't know the fat is unhealthy for them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's not me saying it. It's the medical profession. It's all over the news folks "

Quote

‘ Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat...’

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"It's not me saying it. It's the medical profession. It's all over the news folks

Quote

‘ Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat...’

And if anyone looks dumb-struck.... they are..?

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

But by not caring how of why people get there you're never really going to solve the 'problem' of people being overweight are you?

Dismissing emotional eating or any mental health aspect of overeating is just plsinlg ridiculous. You wouldn't dismiss the mental health of someone with anorexia would you?

I think you’ve messed entirely my point.

Dealing with that stuff comes after. First we need to be brutal and tell people with no ifs or buts. Being fat isn’t healthy. The fat acceptance movement is so reading false information.

It’s like if someone was addicted to drugs and there was a movement saying being addicted to drugs is healthy. You gotta get the facts straight first.

Do you honestly think that fat people don't know the fat is unhealthy for them?

Where did I say that? I never made it generally about fat people.

But there is a fat acceptance movement that preaches that fat isn’t unhealthy, it’s not anyone’s fault for being fat it’s just their natural shape, all sorts.

Shame on you for not reading what I put and trying to put words in my mouth

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

But by not caring how of why people get there you're never really going to solve the 'problem' of people being overweight are you?

Dismissing emotional eating or any mental health aspect of overeating is just plsinlg ridiculous. You wouldn't dismiss the mental health of someone with anorexia would you?

I think you’ve messed entirely my point.

Dealing with that stuff comes after. First we need to be brutal and tell people with no ifs or buts. Being fat isn’t healthy. The fat acceptance movement is so reading false information.

It’s like if someone was addicted to drugs and there was a movement saying being addicted to drugs is healthy. You gotta get the facts straight first. "

Newsflash...

We fucking know!

Fat acceptance isnt trying to make everyone fat, it isn't even saying I'm just going to be fat. It's about saying fat people exist whether you like if or not and are desetbing of just domd basic human decency.

You ding gavd to tell every day lerson you see that thrg are fat. You dint babe tk criticise every morsel of food that enters their body.

Do you know that thanks to people openly staring at me when I was little as I ate, pointing at me, giggling to their friends about me, I would be terrified of going up to a buffet first. I would try not to eat around people.

When I walked in to a local supermarket not long a go an old man shouted at me 'leave some in there for me, love'.

Fat people are allowed to eat and if we choose to eat a burger what difference does it make to you?

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as aggy but this is something that hits very close to home.

As I've said before, I'm quite am active fat person but all anyone seems to care about of notice if that I am (or have) fat.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"This is just one circumstance I’m familiar with where a person chooses to be overweight. My sister is a psychologist and her area of expertise then is sexual assault victims. She works alongside the police as well and is on call 24 hours a day 365 days a year (along with other members that do the same job) if someone is attacked she is the one to take them in the tanker proof room, bag their clothes and swab them internally and be their whilst their exam is done, pictures etc. It’s a horrific process.

She deals with the aftermath of historical abuse, recent abuse, all kinds of sexual abuse.

You think fat shaming them or telling them c’mon now fatty out the crisps down and have an apple instead.

It’s not going to work is it, there’s deep psychological issues there that need to be repaired before you can even begin to address the weight issue.

Nobody knows everyone’s individual back story on how they became overweight. "

That might be the saddest thing I’ve ever read. What a horrible outcome to an already horrible situation

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

Oh fuck me.... Too many typos in that tk fix it lol

Fat fingers

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

But by not caring how of why people get there you're never really going to solve the 'problem' of people being overweight are you?

Dismissing emotional eating or any mental health aspect of overeating is just plsinlg ridiculous. You wouldn't dismiss the mental health of someone with anorexia would you?

I think you’ve messed entirely my point.

Dealing with that stuff comes after. First we need to be brutal and tell people with no ifs or buts. Being fat isn’t healthy. The fat acceptance movement is so reading false information.

It’s like if someone was addicted to drugs and there was a movement saying being addicted to drugs is healthy. You gotta get the facts straight first. "

Most of the people I know who are overweight know they are and not for one second do they think it's best for their health.

But do I think overweight people should be ashamed of themselves and hide away and not wear a bikini if they want to, absolutely not.

What you are reading into the body acceptance movement is very much different to what I read into it. I as an obese person see these people living their lives regardless of their weight. I therefore should be less fixated on mine and go out and do things. I then go out and go hike or so swim in the sea, I feel better about myself. So I don't eat that extra chocolate etc.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

But by not caring how of why people get there you're never really going to solve the 'problem' of people being overweight are you?

Dismissing emotional eating or any mental health aspect of overeating is just plsinlg ridiculous. You wouldn't dismiss the mental health of someone with anorexia would you?

I think you’ve messed entirely my point.

Dealing with that stuff comes after. First we need to be brutal and tell people with no ifs or buts. Being fat isn’t healthy. The fat acceptance movement is so reading false information.

It’s like if someone was addicted to drugs and there was a movement saying being addicted to drugs is healthy. You gotta get the facts straight first.

Newsflash...

We fucking know!

You ding gavd to tell every day lerson you see that thrg are fat. You dint babe tk criticise every morsel of food that enters their body.

When I walked in to a local supermarket not long a go an old man shouted at me 'leave some in there for me, love'.

Fat people are allowed to eat and if we choose to eat a burger what difference does it make to you?

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as aggy but this is something that hits very close to home.

As I've said before, I'm quite am active fat person but all anyone seems to care about of notice if that I am (or have) fat. "

NEWS FLASH.

There’s actually a fat acceptance movement that spreads false info that fat is healthy etc

Save your aggy for someone that deserves it

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_acceptance_movement

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

But by not caring how of why people get there you're never really going to solve the 'problem' of people being overweight are you?

Dismissing emotional eating or any mental health aspect of overeating is just plsinlg ridiculous. You wouldn't dismiss the mental health of someone with anorexia would you?

I think you’ve messed entirely my point.

Dealing with that stuff comes after. First we need to be brutal and tell people with no ifs or buts. Being fat isn’t healthy. The fat acceptance movement is so reading false information.

It’s like if someone was addicted to drugs and there was a movement saying being addicted to drugs is healthy. You gotta get the facts straight first.

Newsflash...

We fucking know!

You ding gavd to tell every day lerson you see that thrg are fat. You dint babe tk criticise every morsel of food that enters their body.

When I walked in to a local supermarket not long a go an old man shouted at me 'leave some in there for me, love'.

Fat people are allowed to eat and if we choose to eat a burger what difference does it make to you?

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as aggy but this is something that hits very close to home.

As I've said before, I'm quite am active fat person but all anyone seems to care about of notice if that I am (or have) fat.

NEWS FLASH.

There’s actually a fat acceptance movement that spreads false info that fat is healthy etc

Save your aggy for someone that deserves it "

I have. I choose my targets well.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"If obesity is an illness, then does that mean smoking is an illness too?

I was unaware that cigarettes were needed to sustain life.

I didn't realise that unhealthy, high calorie foods were either.

There you go assuming that it’s that simple.

I wasn't assuming anything, I just made a point.

But you haven’t

I did, you can live quite easily on a low calorie diet. You don't HAVE to eat high calorie food to sustain life as you put it.

You’re not taking any into account emotional issues and peoples mental health.

When I’m feeling shit and sad if someone suggested I eat a salad instead of a pizza I’d kick their teeth down their throat.

Food has always been used as a comfort thing or a celebratory thing, someone’s birthday let’s go out for a meal, Xmas day let’s have a big fuck off dinner.

If you’re feeling depressed about your weight 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna eat more.

Love an on the spot made up statistic

I dunno what point anyone’s even trying to make here? Fat people are sad coz they’re fat so they eat which makes them fatter? Ok. Guess we should leave me to it incase we upset them?

Again if you’ve never been an emotional eater you won’t understand the love you have for bad food and how it can give you a temporary high.

Fair I just dunno how this plays into the topic? It’s a big thread so maybe I’ve missed some replies.

But by not caring how of why people get there you're never really going to solve the 'problem' of people being overweight are you?

Dismissing emotional eating or any mental health aspect of overeating is just plsinlg ridiculous. You wouldn't dismiss the mental health of someone with anorexia would you?

I think you’ve messed entirely my point.

Dealing with that stuff comes after. First we need to be brutal and tell people with no ifs or buts. Being fat isn’t healthy. The fat acceptance movement is so reading false information.

It’s like if someone was addicted to drugs and there was a movement saying being addicted to drugs is healthy. You gotta get the facts straight first.

Newsflash...

We fucking know!

You ding gavd to tell every day lerson you see that thrg are fat. You dint babe tk criticise every morsel of food that enters their body.

When I walked in to a local supermarket not long a go an old man shouted at me 'leave some in there for me, love'.

Fat people are allowed to eat and if we choose to eat a burger what difference does it make to you?

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as aggy but this is something that hits very close to home.

As I've said before, I'm quite am active fat person but all anyone seems to care about of notice if that I am (or have) fat.

NEWS FLASH.

There’s actually a fat acceptance movement that spreads false info that fat is healthy etc

Save your aggy for someone that deserves it

I have. I choose my targets well.

Well you missed because there are fractions of the fat acceptance movement that preach false info and that’s who I aimed my points at.

Don’t get aggy coz you didn’t understand my points, maybe ask first? It’s polite before you throw your toys out that pram

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

She deals with the aftermath of historical abuse, recent abuse, all kinds of sexual abuse.

You think fat shaming them or telling them c’mon now fatty out the crisps down and have an apple instead.

It’s not going to work is it, there’s deep psychological issues there that need to be repaired before you can even begin to address the weight issue.

Nobody knows everyone’s individual back story on how they became overweight.

That might be the saddest thing I’ve ever read. What a horrible outcome to an already horrible situation "

Yeah so do you think being brutal to them about how being fat is unhealthy would work with someone dealing with that kind of trauma?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I think the OP has posted this to upset a few people on here....and now he has run away...."

Anyone would think it's a modus operandi....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Obesity is often the symptom of an illness (usually a hidden one). Only the most ignorant of people fail to see that"

I disagree with this to an extent. Granted, there are some conditions that can exacerbate weight problems, but only if these weight problems already exist for the individual. The NHS website says -

"There are also some underlying health conditions that can occasionally contribute to weight gain, such as an underactive thyroid gland (hypothyroidism), although these types of conditions do not usually cause weight problems if they're effectively controlled with medicines."

I'm not sure that there is any condition that directly leads to obesity when approached with the correct medication intervention and a controlled diet.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

She deals with the aftermath of historical abuse, recent abuse, all kinds of sexual abuse.

You think fat shaming them or telling them c’mon now fatty out the crisps down and have an apple instead.

It’s not going to work is it, there’s deep psychological issues there that need to be repaired before you can even begin to address the weight issue.

Nobody knows everyone’s individual back story on how they became overweight.

That might be the saddest thing I’ve ever read. What a horrible outcome to an already horrible situation

Yeah so do you think being brutal to them about how being fat is unhealthy would work with someone dealing with that kind of trauma? "

I don’t think it would be aimed at them. It would get aimed at the people spreading false info about how bring fat is healthy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I personally think if someone is clinically obese, then they should be offered professional help with psychologist, or nutritionist or what ever other demon’s they’re facing. I think categorising someone is a start… but I don’t think it’s the answer, weight management is the side effect, so simply saying eat less doesn’t work. However, offering support guidance and education will certainly help some.

The tough love I would probably adopt is if people want to be labelled as having an illness, they should be seeking the appropriate care to get better through referral, and if refuse to help themselves shouldn’t be classed as ill.

My opinion, touchy subject for fab this one!

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Medical experts are saying that there is no such thing as fat but bit and want obesity classed as an illness. They can't decide on the effectiveness of 30 BMI classing people as obese.

Tom has a simple test. If you look fat then you are fat...

Im.guessing a curvy girl said no to meeting you and your ego just cant take it.

Not sure it's anything to do with curvy... Which is a body shape. Not an indicator of anything else.