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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Not the Judas Priest song
Why do people now take to the streets to demonstrate against law enforcement ?
Don’t want to face the law
Don’t break it
Simple |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think that usually happens when people believe the law to be unjust. If people hadn’t risen up an protested in the past then our society would look very different than it does today.
I think everyone has a duty not to just blindly follow rules and laws just because they are there. You have to ask yourself, is this right? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think that usually happens when people believe the law to be unjust. If people hadn’t risen up an protested in the past then our society would look very different than it does today.
I think everyone has a duty not to just blindly follow rules and laws just because they are there. You have to ask yourself, is this right?"
 UK laws are not unchangeable and are interpreted rather than stuck to slavishly. You are also free to challenge a law if you beleive it to be unjust either through the courts or by protest. |
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"I think that usually happens when people believe the law to be unjust. If people hadn’t risen up an protested in the past then our society would look very different than it does today.
I think everyone has a duty not to just blindly follow rules and laws just because they are there. You have to ask yourself, is this right?"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Because sometimes the people enforcing the law don’t do it well?
I don’t see the point your trying to make"
Generally the ones enforcing aren't the ones that make it though.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not the Judas Priest song
Why do people now take to the streets to demonstrate against law enforcement ?
Don’t want to face the law
Don’t break it
Simple "
It’s just not that simple
Some laws need challenging e.g. the law banning homosexual acts
As society changes so does people’s perceptions of some laws.
Governments introduce new legislation like hate crimes, updating sex offences, banning mobile phones when driving etc … but are reluctant to review and remove outdated laws |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"Not the Judas Priest song
Why do people now take to the streets to demonstrate against law enforcement ?
Don’t want to face the law
Don’t break it
Simple "
Beside nothing get changed by following the existing rules. Do you think women would be voting or gay people have rights without fighting for it ? |
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"Only those who act criminally have a problem with the law
Good citizens do not"
Until an unjust law is introduced, or a law is unfairly applied as it was badly defined or is outdated.
Did you know it was illegal to be d*unk in a pub?
If you were slightly d*unk and got given a massive fine and a record, would you not argue it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not the Judas Priest song
Why do people now take to the streets to demonstrate against law enforcement ?
Don’t want to face the law
Don’t break it
Simple
Beside nothing get changed by following the existing rules. Do you think women would be voting or gay people have rights without fighting for it ? "
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"Only those who act criminally have a problem with the law
Good citizens do not"
Definitely right, these people just use it as an excuse to corse trouble and damag things. Lots of business suffer for the damage they do  |
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"Thinking that the law is always right and just is rather naive"
The law is an instrument of force, control, or coercion applied by the government upon those under its control. It is neither good nor bad per se. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Laws evolve and change...
But they dont change on their own, they need dedicated people pushing for change. Changing laws take years and the most effective way to change laws is through protest.
Or else we would still be living in a world where women couldnt vote, or own land, or get a credit card.
Lolly x |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Laws evolve and change...
But they dont change on their own, they need dedicated people pushing for change. Changing laws take years and the most effective way to change laws is through protest.
Or else we would still be living in a world where women couldnt vote, or own land, or get a credit card.
Lolly x"
Very true, but a large portion (not all, and maybe not the majority either) of said people don't really have a clue what they are protesting for, not truely. Not at its deepest core.
Or some fight for a just cause but take the wrong stance within those protests. |
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"Thinking that the law is always right and just is rather naive
Huh?
Did you just feel the need to say something, anything?"
What don't you understand?
You're saying that people shouldn't complain about the law, they should just not break it.
That relies on the idea that laws are always moral and fair. Which is a very naive assumption. |
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"Thinking that the law is always right and just is rather naive
The law is an instrument of force, control, or coercion applied by the government upon those under its control. It is neither good nor bad per se."
Yeah I think we can all agree that the laws against murdering people or not having sex with children fall under that not good not bad umbrella  |
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"Only those who act criminally have a problem with the law
Good citizens do not
Until an unjust law is introduced, or a law is unfairly applied as it was badly defined or is outdated.
Did you know it was illegal to be d*unk in a pub?
If you were slightly d*unk and got given a massive fine and a record, would you not argue it? "
That law is used to prosecute bad landlords not the d*unk people |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Laws evolve and change...
But they dont change on their own, they need dedicated people pushing for change. Changing laws take years and the most effective way to change laws is through protest.
Or else we would still be living in a world where women couldnt vote, or own land, or get a credit card.
Lolly x
Very true, but a large portion (not all, and maybe not the majority either) of said people don't really have a clue what they are protesting for, not truely. Not at its deepest core.
Or some fight for a just cause but take the wrong stance within those protests."
There is a minority that cause trouble regardless of cause but Id say the majority know exactly what they are protesting for.
Subtle nuances, perhaps not - but overarching reasons absolutely.
Lolly x |
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"Thinking that the law is always right and just is rather naive
The law is an instrument of force, control, or coercion applied by the government upon those under its control. It is neither good nor bad per se.
Yeah I think we can all agree that the laws against murdering people or not having sex with children fall under that not good not bad umbrella "
Uhh... A law can be good, bad, neutral or even useless.
Laws against murdering people - good
Laws calling for the imprisonment of all Jewish people - bad
Laws calling for all road signs to be standardised in a region - meh?
Laws calling for a duplication of paperwork - useless |
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"I think that usually happens when people believe the law to be unjust. If people hadn’t risen up an protested in the past then our society would look very different than it does today.
I think everyone has a duty not to just blindly follow rules and laws just because they are there. You have to ask yourself, is this right?"
Just choose which laws you want to respect? OK... Think I'm going to help myself to my neighbours porsche, wife, ox when I'm done with that think I'm going to paint some urban art on the sainsburys window |
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"I think that usually happens when people believe the law to be unjust."
That's open to interpretation though, a lot of people who seem to have real beef with the police only do so because they keep getting caught doing things they shouldn't be like dealing drugs, violence, vandalism, driving without tax/insurance/licence, antisocial behaviour etc. |
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"I think that usually happens when people believe the law to be unjust. If people hadn’t risen up an protested in the past then our society would look very different than it does today.
I think everyone has a duty not to just blindly follow rules and laws just because they are there. You have to ask yourself, is this right?
Just choose which laws you want to respect? OK... Think I'm going to help myself to my neighbours porsche, wife, ox when I'm done with that think I'm going to paint some urban art on the sainsburys window"
Under the Australian constitution, it used to be held, and thus law, that indigenous Australians counted under the flora and fauna section. Thus, not human.
Yeah we should "pick and choose" - but not just for the hell of it. |
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"Only those who act criminally have a problem with the law
Good citizens do not
Until an unjust law is introduced, or a law is unfairly applied as it was badly defined or is outdated.
Did you know it was illegal to be d*unk in a pub?
If you were slightly d*unk and got given a massive fine and a record, would you not argue it?
That law is used to prosecute bad landlords not the d*unk people "
Nope.
Section 12 of the 1872 Licensing Act stipulates that ‘every person found d*unk… on any licensed premises shall be liable to a penalty’, which currently stands at £200. |
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"I think that usually happens when people believe the law to be unjust. If people hadn’t risen up an protested in the past then our society would look very different than it does today.
I think everyone has a duty not to just blindly follow rules and laws just because they are there. You have to ask yourself, is this right?
Just choose which laws you want to respect? OK... Think I'm going to help myself to my neighbours porsche, wife, ox when I'm done with that think I'm going to paint some urban art on the sainsburys window"
I will ignore the road traffic act and the firearms act, if I get asked why, I can refer the police to your good self |
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"Only those who act criminally have a problem with the law
Good citizens do not
Until an unjust law is introduced, or a law is unfairly applied as it was badly defined or is outdated.
Did you know it was illegal to be d*unk in a pub?
If you were slightly d*unk and got given a massive fine and a record, would you not argue it?
That law is used to prosecute bad landlords not the d*unk people
Nope.
Section 12 of the 1872 Licensing Act stipulates that ‘every person found d*unk… on any licensed premises shall be liable to a penalty’, which currently stands at £200."
So you don't think there should be something in place to protect people from themselves, and let them just get so d*unk they don't know what's happening to them (I worked in the pub and nightclub game for 10 years and only know of landlords having this law used against them) but Hay what do I know |
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"Only those who act criminally have a problem with the law
Good citizens do not
Until an unjust law is introduced, or a law is unfairly applied as it was badly defined or is outdated.
Did you know it was illegal to be d*unk in a pub?
If you were slightly d*unk and got given a massive fine and a record, would you not argue it?
That law is used to prosecute bad landlords not the d*unk people
Nope.
Section 12 of the 1872 Licensing Act stipulates that ‘every person found d*unk… on any licensed premises shall be liable to a penalty’, which currently stands at £200.
So you don't think there should be something in place to protect people from themselves, and let them just get so d*unk they don't know what's happening to them (I worked in the pub and nightclub game for 10 years and only know of landlords having this law used against them) but Hay what do I know "
If that's the law as it stands, then it's badly drafted if designed to protect patrons.
Hey, look, a bad law. Let's change it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Only those who act criminally have a problem with the law
Good citizens do not
Exactly "
Because you think all the regulations and acts are made to protect citizen?? You are really naive … |
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It was illegal to be gay.
"But good citizens have nothing to fear from the law."
I could list 100 other things that were illegal or legal but shouldn't have been.
Society changes, laws don't always age well. Additionally sometimes powerful people try to change society to better suit themselves, they do this by creating laws, these new laws are not always good.
That's why people protest against laws. |
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"Only those who act criminally have a problem with the law
Good citizens do not
Until an unjust law is introduced, or a law is unfairly applied as it was badly defined or is outdated.
Did you know it was illegal to be d*unk in a pub?
If you were slightly d*unk and got given a massive fine and a record, would you not argue it?
That law is used to prosecute bad landlords not the d*unk people
Nope.
Section 12 of the 1872 Licensing Act stipulates that ‘every person found d*unk… on any licensed premises shall be liable to a penalty’, which currently stands at £200."
So you're arguing that a govt and a landlord should ignore their duty of care and allow a pub full of people inebriated by by alcohol, a poison or drugs, also poison? Even though we have lots of evidence that intoxication leads to more accidents, injuries, violence, health problems etc? |
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"Only those who act criminally have a problem with the law
Good citizens do not
Until an unjust law is introduced, or a law is unfairly applied as it was badly defined or is outdated.
Did you know it was illegal to be d*unk in a pub?
If you were slightly d*unk and got given a massive fine and a record, would you not argue it?
That law is used to prosecute bad landlords not the d*unk people
Nope.
Section 12 of the 1872 Licensing Act stipulates that ‘every person found d*unk… on any licensed premises shall be liable to a penalty’, which currently stands at £200.
So you're arguing that a govt and a landlord should ignore their duty of care and allow a pub full of people inebriated by by alcohol, a poison or drugs, also poison? Even though we have lots of evidence that intoxication leads to more accidents, injuries, violence, health problems etc? "
No.
Does the law serve its purpose? Might it overreach?
What do we want the law to do, and why? Does it do that effectively? |
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"Only those who act criminally have a problem with the law
Good citizens do not
Exactly
Because you think all the regulations and acts are made to protect citizen?? You are really naive … "
Not sure that is what they said |
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"Not the Judas Priest song
Why do people now take to the streets to demonstrate against law enforcement ?
Don’t want to face the law
Don’t break it
Simple "
And additionally why do different police forces, and police within one force, choose to enforce or ignore some of them? |
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"Not the Judas Priest song
Why do people now take to the streets to demonstrate against law enforcement ?
Don’t want to face the law
Don’t break it
Simple
And additionally why do different police forces, and police within one force, choose to enforce or ignore some of them? "
It's definitely a problem if we're all supposed to be equal under the law |
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The right to protest is protected under the HR legislation. The new proposed policing bill threatens that, and those that agree should have the right to demonstrate and make that clear.
Those that agree with the proposals should also be allowed to have their say. |
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"Only those who act criminally have a problem with the law
Good citizens do not
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sounds like scene from Demolition Man "
Sure Batman used the term 'Good Citizens' as well.....always bloody speeding as well |
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