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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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ok here is a serious one, and those who know me may be suprised, but here goes.
it seems to me that there are many far right groups springing up all over, do you think that people are fed up with liberal goverments and have been pushed to be more right wing, and will it grow and inevitably end in tears, or just a passing fad |
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over a year ago
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Firstly, I think there is a difference between right wing and Nazi.
The term Nazi has intimations far stronger than right wing politics.
I think the groups may have far greater success in certain countries, but not necessarily the UK.
People may stand by and demonstrate apathy whilst people talk the talk, but I would argue that this position would change should the talk turn into a walk.
Right wing politics is required to balance out the liberalism as neither offers the perfect society - some policies from both sides of the spectrum would prove beneficial to society. |
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over a year ago
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"Firstly, I think there is a difference between right wing and Nazi.
The term Nazi has intimations far stronger than right wing politics.
I think the groups may have far greater success in certain countries, but not necessarily the UK.
People may stand by and demonstrate apathy whilst people talk the talk, but I would argue that this position would change should the talk turn into a walk.
Right wing politics is required to balance out the liberalism as neither offers the perfect society - some policies from both sides of the spectrum would prove beneficial to society. "
i was using the name nazis to make the point stronger, and im on about the german nazis protesting atm and our bnp, who lets not forget had their biggest haul of votes in the last election |
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"Firstly, I think there is a difference between right wing and Nazi.
The term Nazi has intimations far stronger than right wing politics.
I think the groups may have far greater success in certain countries, but not necessarily the UK.
People may stand by and demonstrate apathy whilst people talk the talk, but I would argue that this position would change should the talk turn into a walk.
Right wing politics is required to balance out the liberalism as neither offers the perfect society - some policies from both sides of the spectrum would prove beneficial to society. "
Problem is, where is the centre ground? Even the Tories are closer to the centre than American democrats
North Korea or Myanmar are so far to the left that many socialist states could be seen as right wing in comparison. NO system is perfect
Having said that I am in complete agreement |
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"Firstly, I think there is a difference between right wing and Nazi.
The term Nazi has intimations far stronger than right wing politics.
I think the groups may have far greater success in certain countries, but not necessarily the UK.
People may stand by and demonstrate apathy whilst people talk the talk, but I would argue that this position would change should the talk turn into a walk.
Right wing politics is required to balance out the liberalism as neither offers the perfect society - some policies from both sides of the spectrum would prove beneficial to society. "
bang on  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Firstly, I think there is a difference between right wing and Nazi.
The term Nazi has intimations far stronger than right wing politics.
I think the groups may have far greater success in certain countries, but not necessarily the UK.
People may stand by and demonstrate apathy whilst people talk the talk, but I would argue that this position would change should the talk turn into a walk.
Right wing politics is required to balance out the liberalism as neither offers the perfect society - some policies from both sides of the spectrum would prove beneficial to society.
bang on "
thing is im not so sure things would change if the talk turned to walk, i hope im wrong, but things are bad and imagrants etc are beeing blamed for so much that if someone stood up to be counted i think people sheep like might follow, hope im wrong |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Firstly, I think there is a difference between right wing and Nazi.
The term Nazi has intimations far stronger than right wing politics.
I think the groups may have far greater success in certain countries, but not necessarily the UK.
People may stand by and demonstrate apathy whilst people talk the talk, but I would argue that this position would change should the talk turn into a walk.
Right wing politics is required to balance out the liberalism as neither offers the perfect society - some policies from both sides of the spectrum would prove beneficial to society.
i was using the name nazis to make the point stronger, and im on about the german nazis protesting atm and our bnp, who lets not forget had their biggest haul of votes in the last election"
I believe the BNP's successes at the last election had more to do with the lack of a credible solution to the economic woes than it did an acceptance of the BNP's policies.
Well that and a bit of localised bandwaggoning in traditional communities who choose to believe that immigration is the major issue behind or national woes.
I can't pass comment on the German 'Nazi' situation as it is an area I am not well versed on.
That said, I honestly don't see the German population allowing history to repeat itself.
There will always be niche politicians and niche political policies.
One has to hope that common sense and decency continues to prevail over them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Firstly, I think there is a difference between right wing and Nazi.
The term Nazi has intimations far stronger than right wing politics.
I think the groups may have far greater success in certain countries, but not necessarily the UK.
People may stand by and demonstrate apathy whilst people talk the talk, but I would argue that this position would change should the talk turn into a walk.
Right wing politics is required to balance out the liberalism as neither offers the perfect society - some policies from both sides of the spectrum would prove beneficial to society.
i was using the name nazis to make the point stronger, and im on about the german nazis protesting atm and our bnp, who lets not forget had their biggest haul of votes in the last election
I believe the BNP's successes at the last election had more to do with the lack of a credible solution to the economic woes than it did an acceptance of the BNP's policies.
Well that and a bit of localised bandwaggoning in traditional communities who choose to believe that immigration is the major issue behind or national woes.
I can't pass comment on the German 'Nazi' situation as it is an area I am not well versed on.
That said, I honestly don't see the German population allowing history to repeat itself.
There will always be niche politicians and niche political policies.
One has to hope that common sense and decency continues to prevail over them."
Thats pretty much to the point. Also sometimes its not a vote for but against the rest. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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There have been few reports about the rise of Neo Nazis in Germany, partly because I think the Germans don't want to give them the oxygen of the press. But report I have seen are quite scary. A town bought out entirely by Neo Nazis so that they can live a life of purity and rally in secret to avoid the anti Nazi laws. Masked Neo Nazi flash mob marches in areas with high levels of immigrants.
I don't worry about the BNP so much, they have Nick Griffin and his QT appearance was a wonderful advertisement for them. I worry about the EDL as they have understood how sophisticated the message needs to be to win people over. On the surface it would be hard to disagree with statements like 'we don't want Sharia law here'. The reality of arranging marches in Tower Hamlets to take place around particular holy days is closer to what it really is about. |
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Social and economic factors will always effect the political spectrum at both extremes, but to imagine anything like the Nazi party gaining any significant power in any established democracies seems unlikely. |
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"Firstly, I think there is a difference between right wing and Nazi.
The term Nazi has intimations far stronger than right wing politics.
I think the groups may have far greater success in certain countries, but not necessarily the UK.
People may stand by and demonstrate apathy whilst people talk the talk, but I would argue that this position would change should the talk turn into a walk.
Right wing politics is required to balance out the liberalism as neither offers the perfect society - some policies from both sides of the spectrum would prove beneficial to society.
i was using the name nazis to make the point stronger, and im on about the german nazis protesting atm and our bnp, who lets not forget had their biggest haul of votes in the last election
I believe the BNP's successes at the last election had more to do with the lack of a credible solution to the economic woes than it did an acceptance of the BNP's policies.
Well that and a bit of localised bandwaggoning in traditional communities who choose to believe that immigration is the major issue behind or national woes.
I can't pass comment on the German 'Nazi' situation as it is an area I am not well versed on.
That said, I honestly don't see the German population allowing history to repeat itself.
There will always be niche politicians and niche political policies.
One has to hope that common sense and decency continues to prevail over them."
The concept of a rise in popularity of neo-nazi organisations is abhorrent to the vast majority of Germans ,i spend quite a bit of time over there every year and having a "boringly" keen interest in modern history  ,have spoken about the war at length with people as diverse as a veteran of Rommels Desert army to teenagers.
To a man and woman they all abhor what happened and are on their guard to make sure they dont get fooled again,its inconceivable for it to re-emerge again ,the country would tear itself apart rather than go down that road ever in the future.
Re over here ,i believe the British people have a pretty good sense of whats right and morally wrong,the "black and white unite and fight movement" in the 70s and 80s proved that to me .
The fact its not outlawed proves what a tolerant society we generally are to a point.Having said that it is a nice way to keep an eye on what is an arrogant and tainted political stance to take.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Far right groups find it much easier to push their ideaology to the fore in times of turmoil. The situation in Greece is a perfect example of how the Greeek people are being sold the idea that their problems have arisen because of external influences and Europe's intervention in their domestic situation. It's all too easy to blame a section of people that by opposing has the effect of uniting people of the same nationality and/or creed.
It stands to reason that in times of economic prosperity everyone is too busy feathering their nests to worry about neo-fascists/nazis and so they tend to fade back into thr background until the inevitable downturn that always follows periods of boom. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"Firstly, I think there is a difference between right wing and Nazi.
The term Nazi has intimations far stronger than right wing politics.
I think the groups may have far greater success in certain countries, but not necessarily the UK.
People may stand by and demonstrate apathy whilst people talk the talk, but I would argue that this position would change should the talk turn into a walk.
Right wing politics is required to balance out the liberalism as neither offers the perfect society - some policies from both sides of the spectrum would prove beneficial to society. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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The irony is that modern liberal societies today are fascist, as they dont allow any alternative. Unless you are pro-gay, pro-mulitculturalism, pro-Islam you are deemed 'the enemy' and they throw names at you like 'bigot', 'racist' and 'homophobe' to silence you.
I have no doubt that another guy with a moustache will emerge again and those angry and annoyed with the current system of today, will vote him in.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Nazism already existed in this country before it was discovered in Europe, and despite the different names you might associate it with today - fascism, nationalism, communism - it's never bred in politics or by giving it a stigma, it's bred on the streets, in the prisons and in secret societies; people whose ideas of solutions are others' ideas of a potential hell. Even the leader of a Labour or Conservative govt. has the potential to be a proverbial antichrist, given the right circumstances.
Christian Socialism facilitated the rise of Nazism in Germany simply by claiming to have the answers to poverty and isolation from the rest of Europe when they didn't have a clue. They just wanted to knuckle down on the population and keep them occupied until the problem went away.
All it took was for Hitler to amass a large group of people desperate enough to take control for themselves, and for other groups to aid them in their plans once they had succeeded.
The amount of people that realised the huge mistake they had made once those plans were in place will never be given credit. When the homeless and jobless disappeared off the streets, it was a miracle. When the same thing started happening to all the Jews, different matter.
All it takes in this country is for the same thing to start happening with the Muslims, and unfortunately, there is a large percentage of the population that would be more than happy to look the other way. |
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"Nazism already existed in this country before it was discovered in Europe, and despite the different names you might associate it with today - fascism, nationalism, communism - it's never bred in politics or by giving it a stigma, it's bred on the streets, in the prisons and in secret societies; people whose ideas of solutions are others' ideas of a potential hell. Even the leader of a Labour or Conservative govt. has the potential to be a proverbial antichrist, given the right circumstances.
Christian Socialism facilitated the rise of Nazism in Germany simply by claiming to have the answers to poverty and isolation from the rest of Europe when they didn't have a clue. They just wanted to knuckle down on the population and keep them occupied until the problem went away.
All it took was for Hitler to amass a large group of people desperate enough to take control for themselves, and for other groups to aid them in their plans once they had succeeded.
The amount of people that realised the huge mistake they had made once those plans were in place will never be given credit. When the homeless and jobless disappeared off the streets, it was a miracle. When the same thing started happening to all the Jews, different matter.
All it takes in this country is for the same thing to start happening with the Muslims, and unfortunately, there is a large percentage of the population that would be more than happy to look the other way."
Isn't communism the polar opposite of nazism? I thought communism is far left politics |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nazism already existed in this country before it was discovered in Europe, and despite the different names you might associate it with today - fascism, nationalism, communism - it's never bred in politics or by giving it a stigma, it's bred on the streets, in the prisons and in secret societies; people whose ideas of solutions are others' ideas of a potential hell. Even the leader of a Labour or Conservative govt. has the potential to be a proverbial antichrist, given the right circumstances.
Christian Socialism facilitated the rise of Nazism in Germany simply by claiming to have the answers to poverty and isolation from the rest of Europe when they didn't have a clue. They just wanted to knuckle down on the population and keep them occupied until the problem went away.
All it took was for Hitler to amass a large group of people desperate enough to take control for themselves, and for other groups to aid them in their plans once they had succeeded.
The amount of people that realised the huge mistake they had made once those plans were in place will never be given credit. When the homeless and jobless disappeared off the streets, it was a miracle. When the same thing started happening to all the Jews, different matter.
All it takes in this country is for the same thing to start happening with the Muslims, and unfortunately, there is a large percentage of the population that would be more than happy to look the other way.
Isn't communism the polar opposite of nazism? I thought communism is far left politics"
Yes it is the opposite but the monstrosities its capable of is on par. I mean it has the potential to be just as bad. Why do you think the only successful parties in the west are generally Socialist (for the people), Liberal (for the spitroast) and Conservative (for the state)? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"All it takes in this country is for the same thing to start happening with the Muslims, and unfortunately, there is a large percentage of the population that would be more than happy to look the other way."
There's a large percentage that wouldn't. |
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"All it takes in this country is for the same thing to start happening with the Muslims, and unfortunately, there is a large percentage of the population that would be more than happy to look the other way.
There's a large percentage that wouldn't."
agreed |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The irony is that modern liberal societies today are fascist, as they dont allow any alternative. Unless you are pro-gay, pro-mulitculturalism, pro-Islam you are deemed 'the enemy' and they throw names at you like 'bigot', 'racist' and 'homophobe' to silence you.
I have no doubt that another guy with a moustache will emerge again and those angry and annoyed with the current system of today, will vote him in.
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How did this come back after a year? Did you actually search nazism in the forum topics? Why??? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"In the news recently was an article about a free school wanting to sit female pupils at the back of the class. I don't agree with that. "
Is that better or worse than making female pupils sit in a different classroom?
Or in a different school?
Or not allowing them to go to school at all - and shooting them when they try to attend? |
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"All it takes in this country is for the same thing to start happening with the Muslims, and unfortunately, there is a large percentage of the population that would be more than happy to look the other way.
There's a large percentage that wouldn't.
agreed "
And for that I am thankful, thank you |
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Extremism (in all its forms) has and will always exist in politics and religion, and it will rear its ugly head whenever it is given a chance.
The simple fact is that as the main stream stop being politically active then the extremists gain disproportionate access to power. The danger is that the rest or us sleep while they take over.
Maybe rather than leaving political parties (I'm guilty of this), we should all be joining whichever part we feel should be our natural political home and forcing change from within. |
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