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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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As the new Government Online Safety Bill comes into force today. How long will it be before online porn is regulated or banned?
The document states:
? Duty of care
In line with the government’s response to the Online Harms White Paper, all companies in scope will have a duty of care towards their users so that what is unacceptable offline will also be unacceptable online.
***They will need to consider the risks their sites may pose to the youngest and most vulnerable people and act to protect children from inappropriate content and harmful activity***
They will need to take robust action to tackle illegal abuse, including swift and effective action against hate crimes, harassment and threats directed at individuals and keep their promises to users about their standards.
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No doubt everyone will start banging on about VPNs etc.
The new law will be to fine the companies PROVIDING the porn, it won’t be about the end user
Bye bye porn? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I feel like this is the government trying to do the parent's job for them. If I had kids, I could easily block porn on the router to stop them accessing those sites. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Wrong!
Countries that ban pornography completely:
Internet pornography was outlawed in China effective 2002, when state censors issued guidelines requiring that all websites remove any pornographic material. The government started a crackdown in 2004.
In some of the Southeast Asian countries (Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines) there is a complete ban of pornography. In Pakistan too pornography is illegal and the governments imposed a 100 per cent ban since 2011.
All the Middle Eastern countries ban all forms of pornography.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The thing with laws is how enforceable they are and whether they can stand up to a direct challenge in the courts.
If a porn company is serious about staying accessible from the UK then they will have to provide better 'age checks' rather than just 'click here if you're over 18'.
And, as you say, if you know how then there are ways around blocks.
Have to wait for the first case where this law is used. Sometimes these laws are just panaceas to show the government seems to be doing something. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Im guessing Twitter will be one of the first to be fined over all their unregulated porn.
You don't even need an account on there to view more or less anything let alone an age check.
Im all for porn but our kids need to be protected. Even if parents set up a router block clever kids will just find a way around it.
Facebook, Tumbler, Instagram etc have banned porn so why does Twitter still allow it known children can so easily see stuff on there?
££££££ I guess.
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"Wrong!
Countries that ban pornography completely:
Internet pornography was outlawed in China effective 2002, when state censors issued guidelines requiring that all websites remove any pornographic material. The government started a crackdown in 2004.
In some of the Southeast Asian countries (Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines) there is a complete ban of pornography. In Pakistan too pornography is illegal and the governments imposed a 100 per cent ban since 2011.
All the Middle Eastern countries ban all forms of pornography.
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Did I say it would always be legal? Porn is one of the oldest artforms it will live on regardless. You cannot tell me that there is no access to porn in any of those countries.
I will sprout wings and become the proverbial flying pig if absolutely no person in those countries can access porn in some way |
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"I feel like this is the government trying to do the parent's job for them. If I had kids, I could easily block porn on the router to stop them accessing those sites."
It is up to the parents to ensure their kids are protected and appropriate levels of security on their devices, as well as controlling what apps or sites they wish to load.
Do agree with this part, “ illegal abuse, including swift and effective action against hate crimes, harassment and threats directed at individuals”
some platforms need to do so much more, it is appalling some of the stuff written.
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"Im guessing Twitter will be one of the first to be fined over all their unregulated porn.
You don't even need an account on there to view more or less anything let alone an age check.
Im all for porn but our kids need to be protected. Even if parents set up a router block clever kids will just find a way around it.
Facebook, Tumbler, Instagram etc have banned porn so why does Twitter still allow it known children can so easily see stuff on there?
££££££ I guess.
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What, there's porn on Twitter? How did I not know this?
*Goes off to set up Twitter account* |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Well if you have a spare hour here is the new Online Harms Bill info
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/973939/Online_Harms_White_Paper_V2.pdf |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wrong!
Countries that ban pornography completely:
Internet pornography was outlawed in China effective 2002, when state censors issued guidelines requiring that all websites remove any pornographic material. The government started a crackdown in 2004.
In some of the Southeast Asian countries (Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines) there is a complete ban of pornography. In Pakistan too pornography is illegal and the governments imposed a 100 per cent ban since 2011.
All the Middle Eastern countries ban all forms of pornography.
Did I say it would always be legal? Porn is one of the oldest artforms it will live on regardless. You cannot tell me that there is no access to porn in any of those countries.
I will sprout wings and become the proverbial flying pig if absolutely no person in those countries can access porn in some way "
ofccourse there are ways to get Porn in those countries. But you are breaking the Law doing it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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'The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.' - John Gilmore (libertarian geek).
Interesting article on how China deals with 'managing the internet'.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/16/how-china-censors-internet-information
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"Wrong!
Countries that ban pornography completely:
Internet pornography was outlawed in China effective 2002, when state censors issued guidelines requiring that all websites remove any pornographic material. The government started a crackdown in 2004.
In some of the Southeast Asian countries (Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines) there is a complete ban of pornography. In Pakistan too pornography is illegal and the governments imposed a 100 per cent ban since 2011.
All the Middle Eastern countries ban all forms of pornography.
Did I say it would always be legal? Porn is one of the oldest artforms it will live on regardless. You cannot tell me that there is no access to porn in any of those countries.
I will sprout wings and become the proverbial flying pig if absolutely no person in those countries can access porn in some way
ofccourse there are ways to get Porn in those countries. But you are breaking the Law doing it. "
Yeah..... I said I knew it wasn't legal, what is your point? |
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"Exactly! Have you seen the state of the Prison conditions over there?
Lose your liberty.... just for a wank! "
People risk their liberty to get high, to make money, for alsorts of reasons. Why not a wank lol
My point was you will never eradicate porn regardless of whether or not its legal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ever since Hardcore pornography was made legal in this country i've been expecting this. The times i used to order hardcore pornography on the internet and it be seized by customs and either allow it to be destroyed or contest in court. When porn went digital, everything changed, they couldn't do anything. Now it appears to have taken back control. I'm anti censorship , so not happy about this and where it could eventually lead. We'll soon find out, i'm sure. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't know enough about this.
I can remember when the states banned online poker playing. The result was players who earns from it started playing in canada.
So any ban or trying to ban something just means people will find a way of feeding that addiction.
You end up with closed subscription groups providing material to members only so it can't be viewed on the web.
The answer maybe is you can't stop it
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don't know enough about this.
I can remember when the states banned online poker playing. The result was players who earns from it started playing in canada.
So any ban or trying to ban something just means people will find a way of feeding that addiction.
You end up with closed subscription groups providing material to members only so it can't be viewed on the web.
The answer maybe is you can't stop it
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The Government are going after the providers of porn so I guess once they get hit with massive fines they will take action to stop children being able to access their website.... which will mean age verification.
As most people won't be wanting to sign up to this, Porn will wither and die online.
Back to good old porn shops! |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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Will be so hard to enforce the way companies are setup and host in different countries using mirrors and image servers , will be left to the ISP’s.
Companies are very smart at adapting and avoiding all kinds of regulation. Last night there was a program on about how Facebook is being used to target individuals to legally create thousands of company directors which are then registered and directors then changed to individuals in the Philippines, a loophole used that creates companies owned by non UI citizens . . Thousands of these “small” companies then provide recruitment shells to G4S to provide the government covid test centre staff to avoid paying VAT and employers NI. If the government itself avoid its own regulation then it’s easy for most companies
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't know enough about this.
I can remember when the states banned online poker playing. The result was players who earns from it started playing in canada.
So any ban or trying to ban something just means people will find a way of feeding that addiction.
You end up with closed subscription groups providing material to members only so it can't be viewed on the web.
The answer maybe is you can't stop it
The Government are going after the providers of porn so I guess once they get hit with massive fines they will take action to stop children being able to access their website.... which will mean age verification.
As most people won't be wanting to sign up to this, Porn will wither and die online.
Back to good old porn shops! "
Some of the porn tube sites might disappear from the UK but I can't see porn dying out online. It might push some of it to lesser known areas or have a smaller audience. When the law is applied for the first time will be the test case. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't know enough about this.
I can remember when the states banned online poker playing. The result was players who earns from it started playing in canada.
So any ban or trying to ban something just means people will find a way of feeding that addiction.
You end up with closed subscription groups providing material to members only so it can't be viewed on the web.
The answer maybe is you can't stop it
The Government are going after the providers of porn so I guess once they get hit with massive fines they will take action to stop children being able to access their website.... which will mean age verification.
As most people won't be wanting to sign up to this, Porn will wither and die online.
Back to good old porn shops! "
Ok but here is a question.
Internet companies have been fined and told to stop people streaming football and other live events for free but it still happens.
So how can they stop porn if they can't stop sport streaming sites? |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I don't know enough about this.
I can remember when the states banned online poker playing. The result was players who earns from it started playing in canada.
So any ban or trying to ban something just means people will find a way of feeding that addiction.
You end up with closed subscription groups providing material to members only so it can't be viewed on the web.
The answer maybe is you can't stop it
The Government are going after the providers of porn so I guess once they get hit with massive fines they will take action to stop children being able to access their website.... which will mean age verification.
As most people won't be wanting to sign up to this, Porn will wither and die online.
Back to good old porn shops! "
No, porn will just pop up on make shift streaming sites. Then get closed down. Then reopen under a new site within the next few days. Online porn is not going anywhere.
Online porn as a business however, that is certainly going to take a hit. |
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"As the new Government Online Safety Bill comes into force today. How long will it be before online porn is regulated or banned?
The document states:
? Duty of care
In line with the government’s response to the Online Harms White Paper, all companies in scope will have a duty of care towards their users so that what is unacceptable offline will also be unacceptable online.
***They will need to consider the risks their sites may pose to the youngest and most vulnerable people and act to protect children from inappropriate content and harmful activity***
They will need to take robust action to tackle illegal abuse, including swift and effective action against hate crimes, harassment and threats directed at individuals and keep their promises to users about their standards.
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No doubt everyone will start banging on about VPNs etc.
The new law will be to fine the companies PROVIDING the porn, it won’t be about the end user
Bye bye porn? "
Is this the same bill that was proposed 5 years ago? |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"As the new Government Online Safety Bill comes into force today. How long will it be before online porn is regulated or banned?
The document states:
? Duty of care
In line with the government’s response to the Online Harms White Paper, all companies in scope will have a duty of care towards their users so that what is unacceptable offline will also be unacceptable online.
***They will need to consider the risks their sites may pose to the youngest and most vulnerable people and act to protect children from inappropriate content and harmful activity***
They will need to take robust action to tackle illegal abuse, including swift and effective action against hate crimes, harassment and threats directed at individuals and keep their promises to users about their standards.
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No doubt everyone will start banging on about VPNs etc.
The new law will be to fine the companies PROVIDING the porn, it won’t be about the end user
Bye bye porn?
Is this the same bill that was proposed 5 years ago?"
Kind of I think. They realised there was no way they could enforce what they had come up with the past 10 or so attempts. So have now resorted to going after the free porn sites themselves instead |
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"As the new Government Online Safety Bill comes into force today. How long will it be before online porn is regulated or banned?
The document states:
? Duty of care
In line with the government’s response to the Online Harms White Paper, all companies in scope will have a duty of care towards their users so that what is unacceptable offline will also be unacceptable online.
***They will need to consider the risks their sites may pose to the youngest and most vulnerable people and act to protect children from inappropriate content and harmful activity***
They will need to take robust action to tackle illegal abuse, including swift and effective action against hate crimes, harassment and threats directed at individuals and keep their promises to users about their standards.
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No doubt everyone will start banging on about VPNs etc.
The new law will be to fine the companies PROVIDING the porn, it won’t be about the end user
Bye bye porn?
Is this the same bill that was proposed 5 years ago?
Kind of I think. They realised there was no way they could enforce what they had come up with the past 10 or so attempts. So have now resorted to going after the free porn sites themselves instead"
It will force subscription only porn. |
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"As the new Government Online Safety Bill comes into force today. How long will it be before online porn is regulated or banned?
The document states:
? Duty of care
In line with the government’s response to the Online Harms White Paper, all companies in scope will have a duty of care towards their users so that what is unacceptable offline will also be unacceptable online.
***They will need to consider the risks their sites may pose to the youngest and most vulnerable people and act to protect children from inappropriate content and harmful activity***
They will need to take robust action to tackle illegal abuse, including swift and effective action against hate crimes, harassment and threats directed at individuals and keep their promises to users about their standards.
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No doubt everyone will start banging on about VPNs etc.
The new law will be to fine the companies PROVIDING the porn, it won’t be about the end user
Bye bye porn?
Is this the same bill that was proposed 5 years ago?
Kind of I think. They realised there was no way they could enforce what they had come up with the past 10 or so attempts. So have now resorted to going after the free porn sites themselves instead"
I thought it was. There was a big Who-Ha on here the last time when it was announced, but it wasn't anything like it was made out to be.
Age verification methods will certainly be tightening, but it won't be the end of porn.
If anyone was to know first it would be the site operators, and im sure they would have posted if there was any significant changes.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't know enough about this.
I can remember when the states banned online poker playing. The result was players who earns from it started playing in canada.
So any ban or trying to ban something just means people will find a way of feeding that addiction.
You end up with closed subscription groups providing material to members only so it can't be viewed on the web.
The answer maybe is you can't stop it
The Government are going after the providers of porn so I guess once they get hit with massive fines they will take action to stop children being able to access their website.... which will mean age verification.
As most people won't be wanting to sign up to this, Porn will wither and die online.
Back to good old porn shops! "
Youtube has started doing this here and the EU, my friend has been asked numerous times to provide a credit card to verify his age on YT. Just turns around says "fuck you" and turns his VPN on
Worrying thing will be if they try and make VPN's illegal here like i am pretty sure it is in China. Its illegal to cirrcumvent the Great Firewall atleast so i would assume VPN's are illegal |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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As it says in the Bill, if the companies won't regulate themselves and keep popping up as a new outfit then the next step will be to nobble the ISP providers such as Virgin, BT, Sky etc.
This prime minister seems to have an answer for everything and the way the Labour party have screwed themselves we will be having Boris in power for years to come! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Have you noticed that is no longer possible to upload photos to xhamster or material to Pornhub unless you have a "Creator Account" which you need a valid ID to make? Just saying!!! |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"As it says in the Bill, if the companies won't regulate themselves and keep popping up as a new outfit then the next step will be to nobble the ISP providers such as Virgin, BT, Sky etc.
This prime minister seems to have an answer for everything and the way the Labour party have screwed themselves we will be having Boris in power for years to come!"
And then another site will pop up. A none company site. That wont be flagged as porn. It happens all the time with pirated movies, TV shows, and sports.
If all else fails, vpn.
They can not fully regulate it without straight up making it law on the levels of China. Which is certainly crossing a line that they will need to be careful doing. |
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"Have you noticed that is no longer possible to upload photos to xhamster or material to Pornhub unless you have a "Creator Account" which you need a valid ID to make? Just saying!!!"
It's been like that for years.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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No it hasn't. Its a recent change.
Please read this:
Pornhub Just Purged All Unverified Content From the Platform After changing its policies to ban unverified uploaders and Mastercard and Visa's decision to drop the platform entirely, Pornhub has removed millions of videos.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqjjy/pornhub-suspended-all-unverified-videos-content |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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They can't and won't ban any porn sites, they don't have to! They will just make the ISP's monitor their service, which may mean that they will just block porn. It would make sense rather than get a fine every time it happens.
The porn companies themselves will revert to credit card verification to prove you are old enough to view. To stop kids using their parents cards, there will be an appropriately named withdrawal from the card so that the card holder could spot it.
But you then have to ask yourself, how happy would you be giving your credit card details to a porn site? How many sites would be set up to harvest the card details? Not something I would do!
Sites like this would be OK I think, but would have to remove any graphic content or face the same restrictions. So out go the gaping guff shots (thank god for that!) And the shots with bodily fluids covering said guff. (Ditto with the last brackets.)
Yes I know some like those, but not my personal choice. Back will come the more sedate pictures, hints at what is going on rather than penetration in all its forms. Maybe get back to the early days on a few sites that had even artistic pictures. I prefer to meet the person rather than see their innards. If I like them, I may get to experience them first hand.
The upshot is, wank fodder may disappear and along with that, lots of the people who only come for the pictures.
Of course, the site could go completely pay at the same rates as now and by credit card only. My 13 years old Grandson has a debit card. Maybe that would be a better way to go? Fiver a month on a credit card and problem solved.. But that would mean "those" pictures would still be here.....  |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"If all else fails, vpn.
They can not fully regulate it without straight up making it law on the levels of China. Which is certainly crossing a line that they will need to be careful doing. "
Even with a VPN you have to connect to the internet. If your ISP, be it mobile or home bans such content, it will be banned and the VPN will not be any good. |
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"No it hasn't. Its a recent change.
Please read this:
Pornhub Just Purged All Unverified Content From the Platform After changing its policies to ban unverified uploaders and Mastercard and Visa's decision to drop the platform entirely, Pornhub has removed millions of videos.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqjjy/pornhub-suspended-all-unverified-videos-content"
Your information is from last year
Have you checked the Porn Hub site rather that a 3rd party journalist review?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No it hasn't. Its a recent change.
Please read this:
Pornhub Just Purged All Unverified Content From the Platform After changing its policies to ban unverified uploaders and Mastercard and Visa's decision to drop the platform entirely, Pornhub has removed millions of videos.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqjjy/pornhub-suspended-all-unverified-videos-content
Your information is from last year
Have you checked the Porn Hub site rather that a 3rd party journalist review?
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Yes I have just logged into my account on there, tried to upload a video and this is the message I get:
User uploads are currently only available to members of our Model Program and Content Partner Program until our new verification system is launched. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If all else fails, vpn.
They can not fully regulate it without straight up making it law on the levels of China. Which is certainly crossing a line that they will need to be careful doing.
Even with a VPN you have to connect to the internet. If your ISP, be it mobile or home bans such content, it will be banned and the VPN will not be any good. "
That isnt true
Pirate Bay for example is banned by ISP's. Turn on any VPN and you can get onto it |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"If all else fails, vpn.
They can not fully regulate it without straight up making it law on the levels of China. Which is certainly crossing a line that they will need to be careful doing.
Even with a VPN you have to connect to the internet. If your ISP, be it mobile or home bans such content, it will be banned and the VPN will not be any good. "
A vpn cab ignore isp block, unless the isp blocks vpn associated ip adresses. And that is a whole other ball game in itself that the government need to tread carefully about encroaching upon. |
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"No it hasn't. Its a recent change.
Please read this:
Pornhub Just Purged All Unverified Content From the Platform After changing its policies to ban unverified uploaders and Mastercard and Visa's decision to drop the platform entirely, Pornhub has removed millions of videos.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqjjy/pornhub-suspended-all-unverified-videos-content
Your information is from last year
Have you checked the Porn Hub site rather that a 3rd party journalist review?
Yes I have just logged into my account on there, tried to upload a video and this is the message I get:
User uploads are currently only available to members of our Model Program and Content Partner Program until our new verification system is launched."
So it's not the end porn.
They are tighning up on amateur uploaded content, with a verification process in place to hold upoaders responsible should content break thier current guidlines.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No it hasn't. Its a recent change.
Please read this:
Pornhub Just Purged All Unverified Content From the Platform After changing its policies to ban unverified uploaders and Mastercard and Visa's decision to drop the platform entirely, Pornhub has removed millions of videos.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqjjy/pornhub-suspended-all-unverified-videos-content
Your information is from last year
Have you checked the Porn Hub site rather that a 3rd party journalist review?
Yes I have just logged into my account on there, tried to upload a video and this is the message I get:
User uploads are currently only available to members of our Model Program and Content Partner Program until our new verification system is launched.
So it's not the end porn.
They are tighning up on amateur uploaded content, with a verification process in place to hold upoaders responsible should content break thier current guidlines.
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It's the end of unregulated porn. Would you really want to give your Name, Address and banking details to a porn company in order to see restricted content? Thought not |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If all else fails, vpn.
They can not fully regulate it without straight up making it law on the levels of China. Which is certainly crossing a line that they will need to be careful doing.
Even with a VPN you have to connect to the internet. If your ISP, be it mobile or home bans such content, it will be banned and the VPN will not be any good.
That isnt true
Pirate Bay for example is banned by ISP's. Turn on any VPN and you can get onto it"
Question 12 of the new Bill: Should the regulator be empowered to i) disrupt business activities, or ii) undertake ISP blocking, or iii) implement a regime for senior management liability? What, if any, further powers should be available to the regulator? |
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