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By *ea monkey OP Man over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

Is this an acceptable term to be throwing around?

What does it mean to you and how does it reflect on those using it?

Please see also; Gammon, SJW, etc.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

I think any term that is meant to belittle someone or be demeaning is unnecessary.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I think all these terms are deemed acceptable by the people who use them.

I also think it shows lazy thinking, an inability to hold a respectful discussion of differentiate between the opinion and the person expressing it.

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By *yron69Man over a year ago

Fareham

Sticks and stones

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

It generally means someone easily offended and is often used by people who are offended by people disagreeing with their out dated opinions and beliefs.... Who is the real snowflake?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What does the term mean?, im thinking someone who is sensitive

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By *inky Biscuit DunkerMan over a year ago

Gloucestershire

It’s a bit like the term ‘Karen’ which equally I don’t like and is usually thrown around by people with a chip on their shoulder

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It generally means someone easily offended and is often used by people who are offended by people disagreeing with their out dated opinions and beliefs.... Who is the real snowflake?! "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These terms are now used to close down debate with anyone with a difference of opinion, it’s lazy, it’s a get out if you’re losing an argument, they’re original definition has lost all meaning.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"What does the term mean?, im thinking someone who is sensitive "

The term snowflake in my experience is most often used by people who have expressed a dodgy opinion towards people who object to it. They find it easier than explaining the thinking behind their views.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think these names are used to bully people who don't agree with yourself ....no need for it x

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS over a year ago

Dundee

Its a classic ad hominem. The most elementary logical fallacy.

Can't engage with the argument - so attack the person instead.

IMO its not worth debating anything with folk that use those terms.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"I think all these terms are deemed acceptable by the people who use them.

I also think it shows lazy thinking, an inability to hold a respectful discussion of differentiate between the opinion and the person expressing it. "

This about sums it up for me - all of those terms...snowflake, woke, white knight etc have come to be used as put downs/discussion closers by people not capable of expressing a counter opinion and holding a reasoned and balanced debate.

I find them laughable to be honest

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By *amie HantsWoman over a year ago

Atlantis

Most commonly used by grown adults who had a meltdown when Greggs brought out a vegan sausage roll.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

On the other side - my side - exist gammon, boomer, Karen - it's a lazy, emotionally satisfying trap to fall into, but it solves nothing.

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By *ndreisabelCouple over a year ago

wigan

Not very different from the other side: racist, homofobic, Magga hat, gammon, so on...

It's just a normal reaction from people that are been censor on social media, universities, etc...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Not very different from the other side: racist, homofobic, Magga hat, gammon, so on...

It's just a normal reaction from people that are been censor on social media, universities, etc..."

Except the first two are genuine terms for bigotry and certainly don't fall in the 'snowflake' category of useless insults.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Not very different from the other side: racist, homofobic, Magga hat, gammon, so on...

It's just a normal reaction from people that are been censor on social media, universities, etc..."

... So what do you call people who discriminate on the basis of race or sexual orientation?

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By *tephTV67TV/TS over a year ago

Cheshire

"Not very different from the other side: racist, homofobic, Magga hat, gammon, so on...

It's just a normal reaction from people that are been censor on social media, universities, etc..."

someone says something racist or homophobic should be called out. It’s unacceptable in today’s society, or are you claiming that it’s fine to be both of those things ?

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By *ealitybitesMan over a year ago

Belfast

Check out Godwins Law.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Not very different from the other side: racist, homofobic, Magga hat, gammon, so on...

It's just a normal reaction from people that are been censor on social media, universities, etc...

someone says something racist or homophobic should be called out. It’s unacceptable in today’s society, or are you claiming that it’s fine to be both of those things ?

I think we're approaching peak "if I say it it's free speech, if you say it it's censorship"

... That's not how any of this works

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hate it

It generally means that someone has ran out of argument to justify their views so starts throwing 'triggers' in to muddy the waters

'Karen' is another one

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By *elethWoman over a year ago

Gloucestershire

[Removed by poster at 08/05/21 09:31:46]

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By *ndreisabelCouple over a year ago

wigan

Yes they fall in to that.... When people like Daryl Davis are call racist and nazi. Plus he was stoped from giving a speech at a university. Those words become just another manner to stop a debate.

Ben Shapiro is call a nazi multiple times (he is Jewish).

I can give a ton of other examples.

Candace Owen (not a fan) is call racist.

I have move to this country during brexit, to London. where I was told people were more open minded and respectful. Well I suffered from racism, xenophobia, and other abuses related to not been born in England.

Against all the advice that was given to me, I decided to move to a area where the majority voted for brexit. Barely had any abuses about my nationality. All this to say that voting for brexit, been Conservative, voting for trump, etc... Doesn't mean you are racist, homofobic and so on. But the reality is that people with that political choices are been openly called those terms.

So do I agree to the new movement of calling people woke, lefty, snowflake instead of debating?! No!

But is a normal reaction from the opposite side.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"It generally means someone easily offended and is often used by people who are offended by people disagreeing with their out dated opinions and beliefs.... Who is the real snowflake?! "

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Most commonly used by grown adults who had a meltdown when Greggs brought out a vegan sausage roll. "

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Not very different from the other side: racist, homofobic, Magga hat, gammon, so on...

It's just a normal reaction from people that are been censor on social media, universities, etc..."

So if someone is racist.

You cant call them racist?

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

To me personally I find it a bit immature, it's like school yard name calling.

Fair enough if you don't agree with me, but at least explain why I'm wrong and not just call me names. Nobody's opinion was ever changed on the basis of one word. I personally believe the art of conversation and debate has been lost my many recently, which I think is a shame.

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

All these terms across the board are awful to me. They are ways of dismissing people you presume you disagree with. You identify someone with a pejorative label and as such you assert some bullshit right to not engage them.

It's an awful state of affairs that's growing and growing. It's Ted Cruz, a supposed respectable politician who comes to mind most with snowflake. Someone in his position encouraging people to wholly dismiss others via a partisan label... Disgusting.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Everyone is a snowflake. Everyone has something that they feel passionately about.

It's used by left and right to show how sensitive the other side is. And of course the middle things both of them are snowflakes too.

I personally don't find it offensive. It's childish and very school yard. I can ignore it really easily because it's universal.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS over a year ago

Cheshire

The term ‘snowflake’ has already been used on another thread about TV programmes from the past.

It won’t surprise the regular forum users who’s used the term either.

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By *pellboundCouple over a year ago

Derby and North Wales

" Yes they fall in to that.... When people like Daryl Davis are call racist and nazi. Plus he was stoped from giving a speech at a university. Those words become just another manner to stop a debate.

Ben Shapiro is call a nazi multiple times (he is Jewish).

I can give a ton of other examples.

Candace Owen (not a fan) is call racist.

So do I agree to the new movement of calling people woke, lefty, snowflake instead of debating?! No!

But is a normal reaction from the opposite side. "

Very good point, very well made

I think that we are in danger of moving into an era of political correct dictatorship where the slightest bit of honest opinion will be labelled racist/ homophobic or whatever by the crazy pc brigade.

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By *ndreisabelCouple over a year ago

wigan

"Not very different from the other side: racist, homofobic, Magga hat, gammon, so on...

It's just a normal reaction from people that are been censor on social media, universities, etc...

So if someone is racist.

You cant call them racist?"

Base on my past experiences I may do it or not. But if I have witnesses and enough human power I will detain that person and call the police. Like I have done multiple times, due to my profession.

Maybe because I have lived in three different country's and I come from a mix race family. I give a bit more importance to those words and don't use them to shut down a debate just because I don't agree with the other person political views.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

" Yes they fall in to that.... When people like Daryl Davis are call racist and nazi. Plus he was stoped from giving a speech at a university. Those words become just another manner to stop a debate.

Ben Shapiro is call a nazi multiple times (he is Jewish).

I can give a ton of other examples.

Candace Owen (not a fan) is call racist.

So do I agree to the new movement of calling people woke, lefty, snowflake instead of debating?! No!

But is a normal reaction from the opposite side.

Very good point, very well made

Said without a hint of irony.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

I've just started calling myself a millenial snowflake. Get in there first

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think the biggest fab snow flakes are those that know there's a strong chance a site has photos of cocks all over it

Still joins said site regardless then complains once joined about all the cock photos

What's more offensive, being called a snowflake or being called other things for having your cock out on show on a site designed to have your cock out on show ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't people use emojis to do the same things?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hate the term snowflake.

I hate that people aren't so accepting of others and it just seems to be getting worse.

If you don't conform to the popular opinions in society and disagree or dislike something you're automatically written off and labelled a snowflake in an instant.

Accepting people is being thrown out of the window with this type of mentality. It's cold and not intelligent at all.

If one person gets upset at something and the rest of the world doesn't it doesn't mean they're wrong. It just means THEY get upset at that thing.

Why write them off and stick a label on them.... To me that shows how much the one writing them off lacks values and intelligence.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I think the biggest fab snow flakes are those that know there's a strong chance a site has photos of cocks all over it

Still joins said site regardless then complains once joined about all the cock photos

What's more offensive, being called a snowflake or being called other things for having your cock out on show on a site designed to have your cock out on show ?

Erm..maybe they just dont like being sent unsolicited cock pics?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think the biggest fab snow flakes are those that know there's a strong chance a site has photos of cocks all over it

Still joins said site regardless then complains once joined about all the cock photos

What's more offensive, being called a snowflake or being called other things for having your cock out on show on a site designed to have your cock out on show ?

Erm..maybe they just dont like being sent unsolicited cock pics?"

Out on show = on there own photos

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By *ea monkey OP Man over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

"I think all these terms are deemed acceptable by the people who use them.

I also think it shows lazy thinking, an inability to hold a respectful discussion of differentiate between the opinion and the person expressing it.

I find them laughable to be honest "

I agree with you completely.

Personally I hate to see any pejorative ad hominem attacks being used but snowflake is the one that seems to get bandied around the most

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By *ea monkey OP Man over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

"I think the biggest fab snow flakes are those that know there's a strong chance a site has photos of cocks all over it

Still joins said site regardless then complains once joined about all the cock photos

What's more offensive, being called a snowflake or being called other things for having your cock out on show on a site designed to have your cock out on show ?

Really not what this thread is about fella.

Maybe you should start your own thread about cock pics, if that’s your prerogative

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By *ea monkey OP Man over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

"I think the biggest fab snow flakes are those that know there's a strong chance a site has photos of cocks all over it

Still joins said site regardless then complains once joined about all the cock photos

What's more offensive, being called a snowflake or being called other things for having your cock out on show on a site designed to have your cock out on show ?

Erm..maybe they just dont like being sent unsolicited cock pics?

Out on show = on there own photos "

If you’re getting abuse for your own pictures, report and block.

This isn’t what the threads is about though.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I don't know the origin of the word but when first used it was - to my mind - simply a descriptive and a pretty good one at the time. Used to encompass those that feign discomfort to gain and without a great deal of rhyme or reason to their argument. Pretty much like being in the vanguard of the latest vomiting into the void of social media and media in general.

As usual, the meaning evolves, especially when it is taken up by those who have no sound counter argument but need to eradicate any support for the opposition.

So 'snowflake' becomes a pejorative, a word to accompany the finger pointing and sneering that serves to enable hatred and ridicule to bubble and boil..........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can’t bear it, it’s so dismissive. It’s used to demean, and bully people by almost shaming them into silence. A bit like ‘Karen’.

It’s a very childish way to attempt to prove you’re right.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think the biggest fab snow flakes are those that know there's a strong chance a site has photos of cocks all over it

Still joins said site regardless then complains once joined about all the cock photos

What's more offensive, being called a snowflake or being called other things for having your cock out on show on a site designed to have your cock out on show ?

Erm..maybe they just dont like being sent unsolicited cock pics?

Out on show = on there own photos

If you’re getting abuse for your own pictures, report and block.

This isn’t what the threads is about though.

No abuse here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Been called far worse over the years

Water of a ducks back

That's life

Then we die

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Arrogant

Self centred

Up yourself prick

Womanizer

User

Scruff

Bastard

The list goes on and on and on

Snowflake

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

scruff would cut me to the quick ...... how absolutely vicious

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By *rincess peachWoman over a year ago

shits creek

Bless em. The ones that launch it at ya that is. Too immature and tunnel visioned to actually have a discussion coz half the time they don't know their own reasons for thinking something therefore can't put it into words to justify themselves.

Lack empathy too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"scruff would cut me to the quick ...... how absolutely vicious"

Stick and stones

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By *AABMan over a year ago

Not far

I get irritated by those who throw the term woke around as if it’s some kind of pejorative. The dictionary definition of woke is someone awake to injustice in society, so the person using it to insult obviously cares nothing about injustice.

On the other side if there’s a white middle aged bigoted man ranting about climate change ‘myths’, cyclists, vegetarians, or anything that challenges a 1970’s slightly racist right wing mindset, then isn’t the Urban Dictionary term ‘Gammon’ an accurate label?

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

It means nothing at all to me. None of those terms do. I think it’s a lazy approach to discussion.

I build snowmen with my snowflakes and that’s it

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

"I get irritated by those who throw the term woke around as if it’s some kind of pejorative. The dictionary definition of woke is someone awake to injustice in society, so the person using it to insult obviously cares nothing about injustice.

Well worth acknowledging there that a dictionary records common usage, it doesn't define it.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It is rather telling when it gets thrown around.

There may or may not be merits in the definition of "gammon", but, like "snowflake", it's just polarising. If I were to call someone gammon I might as well be saying "I'm left of centre and I think you're wrong, have a term of abuse". It's better to actually say what the issue is.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"I don't know the origin of the word but when first used it was - to my mind - simply a descriptive and a pretty good one at the time. Used to encompass those that feign discomfort to gain and without a great deal of rhyme or reason to their argument. Pretty much like being in the vanguard of the latest vomiting into the void of social media and media in general.

As usual, the meaning evolves, especially when it is taken up by those who have no sound counter argument but need to eradicate any support for the opposition.

So 'snowflake' becomes a pejorative, a word to accompany the finger pointing and sneering that serves to enable hatred and ridicule to bubble and boil..........

I've seen claims that the origin is from fight club though the meaning in that quote is about us not being a snowflake. I.e we aren't unique or special. So the insult is those who believe themselves to be like snowflakes so I'm not sure how that translates to calling others snowflakes as an insult. Especially by those so obsessed with the importance of their own opinion.

However I have recently read an article that said the oldest found use of the term was for those who opposed the abolition of sl*very and valued white people over black people. Which again is a bit of a sick sense of irony that's its now used for people seen as "overly pc".

Like you said though, use of language evolves.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

We live in a country where do gooder and human rights have become insults

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don’t agree with any of these terms at all

And the only snowflakes I know of are the ones that fall from the sky, are cold and slippery they coat everything in white and don’t last long before there gone and always leave everywhere wet if you’d like to be referred to as one of those I don’t see you going far in my mind

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Brexshitter

Remoaner

Gammon

Snowflake

SJW

These terms are just examples of losing an argument. Unhelpful usually accompanied by sneering from a position of loss.

Be nice it’s less effort

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I think all these terms are deemed acceptable by the people who use them.

I also think it shows lazy thinking, an inability to hold a respectful discussion of differentiate between the opinion and the person expressing it. "

Would agree but add that how many of those using said phrases actually know what they mean is probably open to question..

At times it becomes like kids in a playground picking up on the new cool thing to say..

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By *ea monkey OP Man over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

I think that using labels to dismiss another’s views is undermining discussion.

The aim of discussion is to share views and potentially to change minds, not to demean, belittle and ‘win’. Or am I missing something?

Berating and insulting just entrenches views and causes polarisation. If we can’t meet in the middle and discuss, then these wider issues will never go away, irrespective of whether dictionary definitions or semantics are correct

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By *atnip make me purrWoman over a year ago

Reading

" Yes they fall in to that.... When people like Daryl Davis are call racist and nazi. Plus he was stoped from giving a speech at a university. Those words become just another manner to stop a debate.

Ben Shapiro is call a nazi multiple times (he is Jewish).

I can give a ton of other examples.

Candace Owen (not a fan) is call racist.

So do I agree to the new movement of calling people woke, lefty, snowflake instead of debating?! No!

But is a normal reaction from the opposite side.

Very good point, very well made

I have lots of honest opinions and not one of them are racist or homophobic. If you think you have the right to say such then prepare to be judged for it. Free speech works both ways.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"It means nothing at all to me. None of those terms do. I think it’s a lazy approach to discussion.

I build snowmen with my snowflakes and that’s it

Agree. Never heard of any of them until I joined fab. Only just heard of gammon on this thread, still don’t know what it means. People have always thrown silly names about, they always will. I honestly don’t pay it much thought. Sticks and stones and all that. Life’s too short and I’ve got more important things to concern my mind about

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It generally means someone easily offended and is often used by people who are offended by people disagreeing with their out dated opinions and beliefs.... Who is the real snowflake?! "

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

No. The tone of your second paragraph gives away your biases.....

It is not okay to label anyone simply because their ideas don't run equate with your own.

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS over a year ago

Dundee

As usual, the meaning evolves, especially when it is taken up by those who have no sound counter argument but need to eradicate any support for the opposition.

So 'snowflake' becomes a pejorative, a word to accompany the finger pointing and sneering that serves to enable hatred and ridicule to bubble and boil..........

I suspect the origin of the term derives at least in part from Fight Club.

“You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. We're all part of the same compost heap. We're all singing, all dancing crap of the world.”

Ironically - its most often used by those who espouse the virtues of

“Working Jobs We Hate to Buy Shit We Don’t Need”

Demonstrating that those who would use the term, have fundamentally misunderstood the source from which it is drawn.

It's a sneer, which speaks to nothing of the opinions or arguments brought.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A guy I fancied the arse off called his daughter that... I no longer fancy him at all... I hate it and other pathetic shutdowns... I got told I looked like/was a Karen on fb because people didn't like what I was saying... Only thing is, am I the karen looking one or my friend that's in the pic with me? I don't like how the word offended is being bandied around either.... I am not offended, I just disagree with you...

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont "

Explain how it can be used properly?

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly? "

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

People exist out there to be offended. They do it for fun. They do it because they think it gives them social “clout”. They do it in the face of facts with nothing to add other than “yeah but that offends me, my feelings are above yours, they are above your facts and logic, and you must bend to my ways because I’m offended”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

and then there's utter bullshit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and then there's utter bullshit "

Always

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move "

... Or there are people who've come from a position you don't understand, who you've decided are being offended for no reason, so you've decided it's legitimate to dismiss their opinion.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

... Or there are people who've come from a position you don't understand, who you've decided are being offended for no reason, so you've decided it's legitimate to dismiss their opinion."

Exactly, they aren’t a snowflake.

But if someone is offended and you ask why and they say “I just am” with nothing else to add? That’s a snowflake.

The difference is in having views and opinions and thoughts, vs just doing it for the sake of it.

That’s why I think most use of the word is wrong.

I also think actual snowflakes are extremely rare. But they do exist.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

... Or there are people who've come from a position you don't understand, who you've decided are being offended for no reason, so you've decided it's legitimate to dismiss their opinion."

Like if your offended and tell me to alter what I’m doing or thinking with nothing to back it up or even attempt to start a discussion other than “coz it offenders me”. Snowflake.

Communication is key.

Kinda like how if a guy said “I don’t like brown people coming to England it’s a white Christian country”. We can have a discussion about that. We can maybe change some thoughts and opinions. We can work with that.

But if just say “nah I just don’t like them”. End of discussion. You’re a racist.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move "

Just for clarification, if a person is upset by comments someone makes regarding their race but the person who says it doesn't think there's anything wrong with what they have said, the person who is upset is a snowflake?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

... Or there are people who've come from a position you don't understand, who you've decided are being offended for no reason, so you've decided it's legitimate to dismiss their opinion."

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

I’d even say that if someone has an opinion you don’t agree with, so you just call them a snowflake, you’re actually the snowflake. Because your not backing your position up with anything meaningful. Your just shutting down the discussion.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

... Or there are people who've come from a position you don't understand, who you've decided are being offended for no reason, so you've decided it's legitimate to dismiss their opinion.

Like if your offended and tell me to alter what I’m doing or thinking with nothing to back it up or even attempt to start a discussion other than “coz it offenders me”. Snowflake.

Communication is key.

But if just say “nah I just don’t like them”. End of discussion. You’re a racist."

If someone says that,they are racist.

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By *undayTarkaMan over a year ago

North Devon, Manchester Middleton

Mainly left wingers,not all but a good majority

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mainly left wingers,not all but a good majority"

Really?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Mainly left wingers,not all but a good majority"

What you basing that on exactly?

It seems to be that the people who get offended and scream the most,are the likes of Farage,Hopkins, toby young,are on the other end of the political spectrum .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ironically, The biggest 'snowflake' seems to be the Daily Mail - its made a business out of getting upset about as much as possible.....then labelling those who disagree with its strident views as the 'snowflakes'

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By *irty PrettyWoman over a year ago

Cardiff

I figure if someone calls me a snowflake or SJW, a) it says more about them than me, and b) I must be doing something right. I don’t see SJW, especially, as a very effective insult because to think it’s insulting means you must think social justice is a bad thing.

But I just want to add - people are saying “they’re terms people use instead of engaging in a debate”, but I don’t believe there should be a debate at all if what you’re debating is people’s right to exist. Debates are for pineapple on pizza or Marmite, not for “are trans women women” or “should gay people be allowed to marry” or “is it ok for police officers to kill black people”.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

... Or there are people who've come from a position you don't understand, who you've decided are being offended for no reason, so you've decided it's legitimate to dismiss their opinion.

Like if your offended and tell me to alter what I’m doing or thinking with nothing to back it up or even attempt to start a discussion other than “coz it offenders me”. Snowflake.

Communication is key.

But if just say “nah I just don’t like them”. End of discussion. You’re a racist.

If someone says that,they are racist."

I think there’s a big difference between someone with racist views that can express those views and have a discussion and possibly have their mind changed

Vs someone that just shuts down the entire thing with “nah I just don’t like them” and refuses to go further.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Ironically, The biggest 'snowflake' seems to be the Daily Mail - its made a business out of getting upset about as much as possible.....then labelling those who disagree with its strident views as the 'snowflakes'

Mmhm

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Without realising the irony.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I figure if someone calls me a snowflake or SJW, a) it says more about them than me, and b) I must be doing something right. I don’t see SJW, especially, as a very effective insult because to think it’s insulting means you must think social justice is a bad thing.

I only recently found out what SJW meant... I wouldn't mind being called that tbf... I certainly wouldn't be offended... Now that I bloody hate!

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up "

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

These terms like this are vague and poor. It would be better if the people using them could articulate what they are trying to express.

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

Last year it was a popular word on the forums.

Seems to have died down a bit now.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Occasionally it's safe to say that it's all in a name.

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

... Or there are people who've come from a position you don't understand, who you've decided are being offended for no reason, so you've decided it's legitimate to dismiss their opinion.

Like if your offended and tell me to alter what I’m doing or thinking with nothing to back it up or even attempt to start a discussion other than “coz it offenders me”. Snowflake.

Communication is key.

But if just say “nah I just don’t like them”. End of discussion. You’re a racist.

If someone says that,they are racist."

But that’s no different to saying someone is transphobic if they say “women” have periods. The label is an excuse to close a debate , it’s not helpful. There is a growing trend of left wing fascism mostly coming out of universities and momentum/Labour because Labour lost its working class vote

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Mainly left wingers,not all but a good majority

What you basing that on exactly?

It seems to be that the people who get offended and scream the most,are the likes of Farage,Hopkins, toby young,are on the other end of the political spectrum ."

The expectant who foment the 'offence' from others, helping to keep their profile and income buoyant

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are? "

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Neither situation they are the snowflake because they have a legitimate reason to be offended (in my opinion) because racist remarks are just plain wrong, we know this, we have facts backing up that ultimately race doesn’t matter, so it completely legit to feel that way and want change.

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So is it still ok to call someone a wanker?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Is this an acceptable term to be throwing around?

What does it mean to you and how does it reflect on those using it?

Please see also; Gammon, SJW, etc. "

It's just a word. It's the tone and context it and many other words are used to stimulate a response, to cast judgement, to be derogatory... Many other words are much worse but woken and snowflake seem to be this years keyboard warrior words.

I don't think these social media platforms that provide "debate" are helpful.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"So is it still ok to call someone a wanker?"

If you catch them red handed and they can't deny it Drew yeah it's okay.

But if you just say they're a wanker cos they can't explain what a snowflake is then that would be out of order and not very woke of you.

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS over a year ago

Dundee

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

... Or there are people who've come from a position you don't understand, who you've decided are being offended for no reason, so you've decided it's legitimate to dismiss their opinion.

Like if your offended and tell me to alter what I’m doing or thinking with nothing to back it up or even attempt to start a discussion other than “coz it offenders me”. Snowflake.

Communication is key.

But if just say “nah I just don’t like them”. End of discussion. You’re a racist.

If someone says that,they are racist.

oh my... so much to unpick here.

It IS transphobic to say that - also its mysoginistic. Not all women have periods. You're not only denying womanhood to trans-women with that statement - but also post-menopausal women.

Left-wing fascism is a flat out contradiction in terms.

And coming out of universities? I don't want to put words in your mouth - but this sounds like anti-intellectualism to me?

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By *irty PrettyWoman over a year ago

Cardiff

Just on this point, if someone says that women have periods and they’re saying it from a lack of knowledge, and are open to education, that isn’t transphobia, it’s just not knowing. If someone insists that only women have periods and you’re only a woman if you have periods, that almost invariably is transphobia.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

This x1000

It’s about being open to change. I don’t care what your opinion are (as much) as long as your willing to listen, try to understand and have some empathy.

If your not? Your a problem that can’t be helped. Your the issues in the world.

I think a lot of the -isms we have are from ignorance or lack of knowledge or bad upbringings. I don’t believe people are born that way. And if your willing to change I’m willing to forgive and accept

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think any label aimed at the level of identity is problematic in this context. Conversations would be more meaningful if we discussed behaviour and ideas that we disagree with and listened to each other, without labelling each other. No one is ever completely wrong in their view, just like no one is ever completely right. We learn about truth by uncovering partial truths and adding them together and integrating them, as well as rooting out the aspects of views that point towards ways of thinking that no longer serve the greater good.

Any language that serves to create division and hatred is heading in the wrong direction.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in "

I'm only using racism as its the example you started with. I'm afraid I don't really understand what you're saying. Was the part about racism supposed to be a separate point to the snowflake thing?

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

I'm only using racism as its the example you started with. I'm afraid I don't really understand what you're saying. Was the part about racism supposed to be a separate point to the snowflake thing?"

Yeah absolutely. It was just mean to show the difference between people open to listening and learning amd being changed.

Vs people with a closed mindset

Sorry I should have explained, I was looking for an analogy and it was the the first that popped into my mind. For example.

“I don’t like Indians because they’re taking out jobs” - if he’s willing to listen to the counter points and possibly have his views changed, great

“I don’t like Indian just coz”. - bye, your a bad person

“I’m offended because of these reasons and id like to see change” - ok great let’s talk about that

“I’m offended just cuz. Change now” - snowflake

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By *ea monkey OP Man over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in "

The main issue with this argument is that it’s yourself or the other person who is sitting in judgement over what someone else is offended by.

Should a gay man have to explain why ‘fag’ is offensive to them

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

... Or there are people who've come from a position you don't understand, who you've decided are being offended for no reason, so you've decided it's legitimate to dismiss their opinion.

Like if your offended and tell me to alter what I’m doing or thinking with nothing to back it up or even attempt to start a discussion other than “coz it offenders me”. Snowflake.

Communication is key.

But if just say “nah I just don’t like them”. End of discussion. You’re a racist.

If someone says that,they are racist.

oh my... so much to unpick here.

It IS transphobic to say that - also its mysoginistic. Not all women have periods. You're not only denying womanhood to trans-women with that statement - but also post-menopausal women.

Left-wing fascism is a flat out contradiction in terms.

And coming out of universities? I don't want to put words in your mouth - but this sounds like anti-intellectualism to me?"

Yep. I don't have periods for medical reasons.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

I'm only using racism as its the example you started with. I'm afraid I don't really understand what you're saying. Was the part about racism supposed to be a separate point to the snowflake thing?

Yeah absolutely. It was just mean to show the difference between people open to listening and learning amd being changed.

Vs people with a closed mindset

Sorry I should have explained, I was looking for an analogy and it was the the first that popped into my mind. For example.

“I don’t like Indians because they’re taking out jobs” - if he’s willing to listen to the counter points and possibly have his views changed, great

“I don’t like Indian just coz”. - bye, your a bad person

“I’m offended because of these reasons and id like to see change” - ok great let’s talk about that

“I’m offended just cuz. Change now” - snowflake "

I think I get you. However I'm personally yet to meet a person who gets offended without a reason

. However snowflake is mostly used when people are trying to discuss how and why things could be changed for the better of marginalised people by those who aren't part of that marginalised group who don't personally see an issue and therefore think the marginalised group are just making a fuss over nothing.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

The main issue with this argument is that it’s yourself or the other person who is sitting in judgement over what someone else is offended by.

Should a gay man have to explain why ‘fag’ is offensive to them"

That’s why I mentioned it’s often about more trivial stuff.

Being upset over the word Fag isn’t snowflake because we know that the word has been using to spread hate and incite violence

But you do make a great point

The snowflake is in the eye of the beholder.

But typically I think it’s used when people get overly offended without reason over trivial stuff or stuff that’s strongly opinion based.

Kinda like (again off the top of my head).

Fag is a bad word used to spread hate and violence, it completely makes sense to be offended at that.

I’ve had people be literally offended at me and be nasty to me because I’m working class that doesn’t fully support labour. When questioned why they couldn’t come up with a valid reason. Just name calling, nasty comments, “your offensive to the working class” was a good one. - that’s a snowflake.

Now if they head that view but sat down with me to discuss these things? Great, that’s how it should be

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

I'm only using racism as its the example you started with. I'm afraid I don't really understand what you're saying. Was the part about racism supposed to be a separate point to the snowflake thing?

Yeah absolutely. It was just mean to show the difference between people open to listening and learning amd being changed.

Vs people with a closed mindset

Sorry I should have explained, I was looking for an analogy and it was the the first that popped into my mind. For example.

“I don’t like Indians because they’re taking out jobs” - if he’s willing to listen to the counter points and possibly have his views changed, great

“I don’t like Indian just coz”. - bye, your a bad person

“I’m offended because of these reasons and id like to see change” - ok great let’s talk about that

“I’m offended just cuz. Change now” - snowflake

I think I get you. However I'm personally yet to meet a person who gets offended without a reason

Yeah I think thats why in my opinion snowflake is used wrong most of the time, but maybe I’m misunderstanding the word too.

Look above for my example of someone hating me for not fully support labour as a working class guy “just cuz” - that’s the kinda stuff I hate

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

The main issue with this argument is that it’s yourself or the other person who is sitting in judgement over what someone else is offended by.

Should a gay man have to explain why ‘fag’ is offensive to them

That’s why I mentioned it’s often about more trivial stuff.

Being upset over the word Fag isn’t snowflake because we know that the word has been using to spread hate and incite violence

But you do make a great point

The snowflake is in the eye of the beholder.

But typically I think it’s used when people get overly offended without reason over trivial stuff or stuff that’s strongly opinion based.

Kinda like (again off the top of my head).

Fag is a bad word used to spread hate and violence, it completely makes sense to be offended at that.

Now if they head that view but sat down with me to discuss these things? Great, that’s how it should be "

The problem with this though is I believe most people know why they believe what they do, sometimes people just aren't as good at articulating it to others. Funnily enough, often the working class. The ability to clearly express and articulate your views and reasoning is a privilege in itself.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

The main issue with this argument is that it’s yourself or the other person who is sitting in judgement over what someone else is offended by.

Should a gay man have to explain why ‘fag’ is offensive to them

That’s why I mentioned it’s often about more trivial stuff.

Being upset over the word Fag isn’t snowflake because we know that the word has been using to spread hate and incite violence

But you do make a great point

The snowflake is in the eye of the beholder.

But typically I think it’s used when people get overly offended without reason over trivial stuff or stuff that’s strongly opinion based.

Kinda like (again off the top of my head).

Fag is a bad word used to spread hate and violence, it completely makes sense to be offended at that.

Now if they head that view but sat down with me to discuss these things? Great, that’s how it should be

Absolutely, but I think we can spot the difference between someone who is struggling to express their opinion but is trying their best.

Vs someone that is quite happy to shut down the discussion and offer nothing more.

That’s why I think it’s very situational. I don’t think it’s black and white. Communication is key, whatever form it comes in

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

The main issue with this argument is that it’s yourself or the other person who is sitting in judgement over what someone else is offended by.

Should a gay man have to explain why ‘fag’ is offensive to them

That’s why I mentioned it’s often about more trivial stuff.

Being upset over the word Fag isn’t snowflake because we know that the word has been using to spread hate and incite violence

But you do make a great point

The snowflake is in the eye of the beholder.

But typically I think it’s used when people get overly offended without reason over trivial stuff or stuff that’s strongly opinion based.

Kinda like (again off the top of my head).

Fag is a bad word used to spread hate and violence, it completely makes sense to be offended at that.

Now if they head that view but sat down with me to discuss these things? Great, that’s how it should be

For example I don’t think I’ve done a great job of articulating myself, but I think it’s obvious I’m trying.

I could have just said “yeah I just think some people are snowflakes”.

Big difference

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not in my mind.

It’s one of the many derogatory but somehow acceptable terms of this generation.

I’d imagine in 10 years time it’ll be the center of a similar campaign to Black Lives Matter.

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By *ndreisabelCouple over a year ago

wigan

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology... "

Trans men have periods

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

I think I get you. However I'm personally yet to meet a person who gets offended without a reason

Yeah I think thats why in my opinion snowflake is used wrong most of the time, but maybe I’m misunderstanding the word too.

Look above for my example of someone hating me for not fully support labour as a working class guy “just cuz” - that’s the kinda stuff I hate"

It may be "wrong" but that's how it mostly seems to be used which plays a big part in people's understanding ofva word.

Funnily enough I was very pro Labour but now my support is more reluctant due to not feeling they want to do enough to help the most struggling in society!

The thing is I doubt it is "just cuz". Our countries politics are currently very polarised. The assumption may be that if you do not support the party traditionally of the working people then you support the "other side" and therefore the repression of them. Many areas of our country were almost completely destroyed by a particular government and there's a lot of anger there, naturally so. People's assumptions about you for not supporting Labour may be wrong and their view of Labour as the savior of the working class may be outdated but those feelings are based in very real events, just perhaps not expressed as well as they could be.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology... "

Sadly I don’t think the trans thing is as simple as just biology otherwise it would be sorted by now

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

I think I get you. However I'm personally yet to meet a person who gets offended without a reason

Yeah I think thats why in my opinion snowflake is used wrong most of the time, but maybe I’m misunderstanding the word too.

Look above for my example of someone hating me for not fully support labour as a working class guy “just cuz” - that’s the kinda stuff I hate

It may be "wrong" but that's how it mostly seems to be used which plays a big part in people's understanding ofva word.

Funnily enough I was very pro Labour but now my support is more reluctant due to not feeling they want to do enough to help the most struggling in society!

Sure, but you gotta call a spade a spade right??

If a guy says he don’t like blacks just cuz and refuses to carry on a dialogue we can’t all huddle around him and say “oh well maybe he can’t express himself” - nah, your a racist get out of here.

Same thing. I don’t care if you can’t express it well, you gotta be open to trying. That’s the main thing that makes someone a snowflake to me. It’s their refusal to try

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

The main issue with this argument is that it’s yourself or the other person who is sitting in judgement over what someone else is offended by.

Should a gay man have to explain why ‘fag’ is offensive to them

That’s why I mentioned it’s often about more trivial stuff.

Being upset over the word Fag isn’t snowflake because we know that the word has been using to spread hate and incite violence

But you do make a great point

The snowflake is in the eye of the beholder.

But typically I think it’s used when people get overly offended without reason over trivial stuff or stuff that’s strongly opinion based.

Kinda like (again off the top of my head).

Fag is a bad word used to spread hate and violence, it completely makes sense to be offended at that.

Now if they head that view but sat down with me to discuss these things? Great, that’s how it should be

For example I don’t think I’ve done a great job of articulating myself, but I think it’s obvious I’m trying.

I could have just said “yeah I just think some people are snowflakes”.

Big difference "

I personally though would say that while on this occasion you have struggled to fully articulate what you mean, that overall your ability to do so still far exceeds some others.

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

Sometimes the term snowflake is fully justified

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By *ndreisabelCouple over a year ago

wigan

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods "

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

"Sometimes the term snowflake is fully justified "

Only when being used against someone who throws it around liberally and can't see the irony of their own bullshit.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

I think I get you. However I'm personally yet to meet a person who gets offended without a reason

Yeah I think thats why in my opinion snowflake is used wrong most of the time, but maybe I’m misunderstanding the word too.

Look above for my example of someone hating me for not fully support labour as a working class guy “just cuz” - that’s the kinda stuff I hate

It may be "wrong" but that's how it mostly seems to be used which plays a big part in people's understanding ofva word.

Funnily enough I was very pro Labour but now my support is more reluctant due to not feeling they want to do enough to help the most struggling in society!

Sure, but you gotta call a spade a spade right??

Same thing. I don’t care if you can’t express it well, you gotta be open to trying. That’s the main thing that makes someone a snowflake to me. It’s their refusal to try "

Fair enough, refusal to try to explain yourself is never helpful.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

The main issue with this argument is that it’s yourself or the other person who is sitting in judgement over what someone else is offended by.

Should a gay man have to explain why ‘fag’ is offensive to them

That’s why I mentioned it’s often about more trivial stuff.

Being upset over the word Fag isn’t snowflake because we know that the word has been using to spread hate and incite violence

But you do make a great point

The snowflake is in the eye of the beholder.

But typically I think it’s used when people get overly offended without reason over trivial stuff or stuff that’s strongly opinion based.

Kinda like (again off the top of my head).

Fag is a bad word used to spread hate and violence, it completely makes sense to be offended at that.

Now if they head that view but sat down with me to discuss these things? Great, that’s how it should be

For example I don’t think I’ve done a great job of articulating myself, but I think it’s obvious I’m trying.

I could have just said “yeah I just think some people are snowflakes”.

Big difference

I personally though would say that while on this occasion you have struggled to fully articulate what you mean, that overall your ability to do so still far exceeds some others. "

I’m very lucky to be good friends with a very well educated highly ranked US government official and we regularly have debates and I regularly get my pants pulled down and spanked by then!

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women..."

And they are men. Who have periods.

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

A snowflake

Forms in winter

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

The main issue with this argument is that it’s yourself or the other person who is sitting in judgement over what someone else is offended by.

Should a gay man have to explain why ‘fag’ is offensive to them

That’s why I mentioned it’s often about more trivial stuff.

Being upset over the word Fag isn’t snowflake because we know that the word has been using to spread hate and incite violence

But you do make a great point

The snowflake is in the eye of the beholder.

But typically I think it’s used when people get overly offended without reason over trivial stuff or stuff that’s strongly opinion based.

Kinda like (again off the top of my head).

Fag is a bad word used to spread hate and violence, it completely makes sense to be offended at that.

Now if they head that view but sat down with me to discuss these things? Great, that’s how it should be

For example I don’t think I’ve done a great job of articulating myself, but I think it’s obvious I’m trying.

I could have just said “yeah I just think some people are snowflakes”.

Big difference

I personally though would say that while on this occasion you have struggled to fully articulate what you mean, that overall your ability to do so still far exceeds some others.

I’m very lucky to be good friends with a very well educated highly ranked US government official and we regularly have debates and I regularly get my pants pulled down and spanked by then! "

maybe you enjoy that

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A snowflake

Forms in winter "

Gets together and forms an avalanche

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

The main issue with this argument is that it’s yourself or the other person who is sitting in judgement over what someone else is offended by.

Should a gay man have to explain why ‘fag’ is offensive to them

That’s why I mentioned it’s often about more trivial stuff.

Being upset over the word Fag isn’t snowflake because we know that the word has been using to spread hate and incite violence

But you do make a great point

The snowflake is in the eye of the beholder.

But typically I think it’s used when people get overly offended without reason over trivial stuff or stuff that’s strongly opinion based.

Kinda like (again off the top of my head).

Fag is a bad word used to spread hate and violence, it completely makes sense to be offended at that.

Now if they head that view but sat down with me to discuss these things? Great, that’s how it should be

For example I don’t think I’ve done a great job of articulating myself, but I think it’s obvious I’m trying.

I could have just said “yeah I just think some people are snowflakes”.

Big difference

I personally though would say that while on this occasion you have struggled to fully articulate what you mean, that overall your ability to do so still far exceeds some others.

I’m very lucky to be good friends with a very well educated highly ranked US government official and we regularly have debates and I regularly get my pants pulled down and spanked by then!

maybe you enjoy that

If I’m honest I find it in great because they are so incredibly educated and travelled it’s the fastest way to learn something by having your opinion shot down with the accuracy of a snipe.

Or did you mean literally.... maybe that too

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"A snowflake

Forms in winter

Gets together and forms an avalanche

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

"Sometimes the term snowflake is fully justified

Only when being used against someone who throws it around liberally and can't see the irony of their own bullshit."

Someone who continually looks to be offended by anything and everything ‘just because’ is a snowflake in my book.

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

I very rarely encounter any of these words in my normal life but here in Fab ...... all the time! ALL THE TIME!

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By *ndreisabelCouple over a year ago

wigan

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods."

They are trans man, they are not biological man! That's the difference... Unless you don't believe in the science that shows that only biological women can give birth, have periods, etc I can't understand how you missing my point!

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

Absolutely Not they have every right to be upset.

That’s what my take of it is. It’s using “I’m offended” to end discussion or force change without backing it up

Sorry but I'm confused. So they're not a snowflake if they're just upset but if they're upset and want the person to stop saying the thing about their race that upset them then they are?

This is all off the top of my head while I’m working so I’m not claiming to be an expert in literally stumbling through the dark of my own opinions here so don’t take it as gospel

Snowflakes to me are people that get offended without reason, often over more trivial stuff, and they use that idea that “my feelings are more important than you, so you need to change”.

Like I said though, stumbling through the dark. I just wanted a McDonald’s coffee and to do some work but these kinda discussion always suck me in

The main issue with this argument is that it’s yourself or the other person who is sitting in judgement over what someone else is offended by.

Should a gay man have to explain why ‘fag’ is offensive to them

That’s why I mentioned it’s often about more trivial stuff.

Being upset over the word Fag isn’t snowflake because we know that the word has been using to spread hate and incite violence

But you do make a great point

The snowflake is in the eye of the beholder.

But typically I think it’s used when people get overly offended without reason over trivial stuff or stuff that’s strongly opinion based.

Kinda like (again off the top of my head).

Fag is a bad word used to spread hate and violence, it completely makes sense to be offended at that.

Now if they head that view but sat down with me to discuss these things? Great, that’s how it should be

For example I don’t think I’ve done a great job of articulating myself, but I think it’s obvious I’m trying.

I could have just said “yeah I just think some people are snowflakes”.

Big difference

I personally though would say that while on this occasion you have struggled to fully articulate what you mean, that overall your ability to do so still far exceeds some others.

I’m very lucky to be good friends with a very well educated highly ranked US government official and we regularly have debates and I regularly get my pants pulled down and spanked by then!

maybe you enjoy that

If I’m honest I find it in great because they are so incredibly educated and travelled it’s the fastest way to learn something by having your opinion shot down with the accuracy of a snipe.

Or did you mean literally.... maybe that too

Might have meant both. I wonder if there's a correlation

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods! "

I think the biological argument is overblown and irrelevant.

Trans men are men, who have periods.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods! "

It's possible to have XY chromosomes and have a uterus. Very few of us actually know what sex chromosomes we have.

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By *odgerMooreMan over a year ago

Carlisle

If you can’t have a reasoned discussion and present your arguments without resorting to insulting the debater then don’t bother - you argue the point not the person. I think it shows a flawed argument when people resort to name calling

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

I think the biological argument is overblown and irrelevant.

Trans men are men, who have periods."

Could we not just say that trans men are trans men?

Men can’t have periods

Trans men can

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

I think the biological argument is overblown and irrelevant.

Trans men are men, who have periods.

Could we not just say that trans men are trans men?

Men can’t have periods

Trans men can"

Nope.

Trans men are men.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

I think the biological argument is overblown and irrelevant.

Trans men are men, who have periods.

Could we not just say that trans men are trans men?

Men can’t have periods

Trans men can

Nope.

Trans men are men."

Doesn’t the wording just cause issues? Issues they could be alleviated if we had more words?

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By *ud and BryanCouple over a year ago

Boston, Lincolnshire

Snowflake reminds us of the series, Love Thy Neighbour. Ken used to call Eddie a snowflake.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

I think the biological argument is overblown and irrelevant.

Trans men are men, who have periods.

Could we not just say that trans men are trans men?

Men can’t have periods

Trans men can"

Why though? Why other someone who already struggles? What is wrong with saying some men have periods?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I think it has its place if used properly. Most dont

Explain how it can be used properly?

Let’s say we’re talking racism. There comes a point where someone is so ridiculously racist you just have to say “forget the discussion, this is pointless, your just a racist”.

That person is a snowflake.

If you disagree on opinions or have alternative views or whatever, as long as they come from genuine places, that’s not a snowflake.

But there are people out there that will purposely look to be offended and use that as an advantage to get their own way, often not even being offended, but just using that as a power move

... Or there are people who've come from a position you don't understand, who you've decided are being offended for no reason, so you've decided it's legitimate to dismiss their opinion.

Like if your offended and tell me to alter what I’m doing or thinking with nothing to back it up or even attempt to start a discussion other than “coz it offenders me”. Snowflake.

Communication is key.

But if just say “nah I just don’t like them”. End of discussion. You’re a racist.

If someone says that,they are racist.

Its about as different as its possible to get.

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By *ndreisabelCouple over a year ago

wigan

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

I think the biological argument is overblown and irrelevant.

Trans men are men, who have periods."

Off course it is....

That's why every single Olympic record hold by biological man is superior to the ones hold by biological women. That was also the reason why feminist fought for having professional sports separated by gender so they could have a fair chance.

The biological differences between man and women are real and important.

But you are free to think otherwise.

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

I think drama Queens covers it for most people I know.

They aren't really offended, they just like the drama that comes with pretending they are.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

I think the biological argument is overblown and irrelevant.

Trans men are men, who have periods.

Could we not just say that trans men are trans men?

Men can’t have periods

Trans men can

Nope.

Trans men are men.

Doesn’t the wording just cause issues? Issues they could be alleviated if we had more words?"

Ok, here are some more words.

Biological sex, gender identity, and gender assigned at birth are not all the same thing. They're conflated in the English language. It's respectful to identify people the way they wish.

Further, studies show that trans people - already with health problems associated with the stigma that they face - are less likely to attend health services for their assigned rather than their identified gender.

Why do we need to cater to the feelings of the majority rather than helping the disadvantaged? What harm does it do to call trans men, men?

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

I think the biological argument is overblown and irrelevant.

Trans men are men, who have periods.

Could we not just say that trans men are trans men?

Men can’t have periods

Trans men can

Why though? Why other someone who already struggles? What is wrong with saying some men have periods? "

I dunno

I guess It help fixed some confusion. Then again should my confusion mean someone else has to suffer or feel uncomfortable

I don’t know, outside of trans-people in sports I really don’t have much of an educated opinion on this

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

I think the biological argument is overblown and irrelevant.

Trans men are men, who have periods.

Off course it is....

The biological differences between man and women are real and important.

But you are free to think otherwise.

Yes, I do think otherwise.

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By *ndreisabelCouple over a year ago

wigan

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

It's possible to have XY chromosomes and have a uterus. Very few of us actually know what sex chromosomes we have. "

That's absolutely true. But they still can't give birth...

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

It's possible to have XY chromosomes and have a uterus. Very few of us actually know what sex chromosomes we have.

That's absolutely true. But they still can't give birth... "

I've never given birth.

Am I a man?

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I dunno I'm kinda getting to the point of view that.

Either way nothing at all and have no opinion.

Don't hold back and say exactly how you feel.

There doesn't seem to be any middle ground these days and someone is always getting offended by something however you try and word it.

Some people just get off finding something to complain about.

Problems with social media it's all done in text format so really hard for two or three people to have an open-minded discussion about sensitive subjects if people jump in claiming foul at every turn.

So some things are best left for face to face.

I have my opinion on what the term snowflake means to me ,but I'm not going to say as I'm sure someone will be offended by it.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

It's possible to have XY chromosomes and have a uterus. Very few of us actually know what sex chromosomes we have.

That's absolutely true. But they still can't give birth... "

With IVF they can.

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By *xfordshireCoupleMFCouple over a year ago

Nr. Oxford

Ok so this a little off topic, but am I the only one who is kinda saddened about the negative use of snowflake? When the word snowflake used to be used I used to think of Christmas, snowy days curled by the fire, people wrapped up warm making snowmen and having snowball fights, drinking hot chocolate and eating sweet pastries drowned in cinnamon. Now however, it’s been turned into such a negative word that those memories and associations have all gone. It happens with others words but this one was the one that made me take note.

Lily

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Ok so this a little off topic, but am I the only one who is kinda saddened about the negative use of snowflake? When the word snowflake used to be used I used to think of Christmas, snowy days curled by the fire, people wrapped up warm making snowmen and having snowball fights, drinking hot chocolate and eating sweet pastries drowned in cinnamon. Now however, it’s been turned into such a negative word that those memories and associations have all gone. It happens with others words but this one was the one that made me take note.

Lily "

You don't have to use it that way if you don't want to. Ignore it.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"I dunno I'm kinda getting to the point of view that.

Either way nothing at all and have no opinion.

Don't hold back and say exactly how you feel.

There doesn't seem to be any middle ground these days and someone is always getting offended by something however you try and word it.

Some people just get off finding something to complain about.

So some things are best left for face to face.

I have my opinion on what the term snowflake means to me ,but I'm not going to say as I'm sure someone will be offended by it."

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

Lily "

It does still mean all those things positive things to me.

It’s not something I ever hear apart from on Fab.

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By *ndreisabelCouple over a year ago

wigan

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

It's possible to have XY chromosomes and have a uterus. Very few of us actually know what sex chromosomes we have.

That's absolutely true. But they still can't give birth...

With IVF they can. "

Yes it's very true but is rare.

In scientific term they are consider XY females not biological males.

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS over a year ago

Dundee

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

It's possible to have XY chromosomes and have a uterus. Very few of us actually know what sex chromosomes we have.

That's absolutely true. But they still can't give birth...

With IVF they can.

Yes it's very true but is rare.

In scientific term they are consider XY females not biological males. "

nobody is claiming they are biological males.

We are claiming that they are Men.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

It's possible to have XY chromosomes and have a uterus. Very few of us actually know what sex chromosomes we have.

That's absolutely true. But they still can't give birth...

With IVF they can.

Yes it's very true but is rare.

In scientific term they are consider XY females not biological males. "

What makes a biological male then?

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By *ndreisabelCouple over a year ago

wigan

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

It's possible to have XY chromosomes and have a uterus. Very few of us actually know what sex chromosomes we have.

That's absolutely true. But they still can't give birth...

With IVF they can.

Yes it's very true but is rare.

In scientific term they are consider XY females not biological males.

What makes a biological male then? "

That's a very complex question that I don't have the time to explain in detail.

Between the same genders you have multiple variants and syndromes. But in the end of the day or you produce sperm, or eggs or neither.

Unfortunately science is not evolve to the point where you can really change your biological gender.

Maybe one day it will until then we can't pretend that biological differences between man and women are not real.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

It's possible to have XY chromosomes and have a uterus. Very few of us actually know what sex chromosomes we have.

That's absolutely true. But they still can't give birth...

With IVF they can.

Yes it's very true but is rare.

In scientific term they are consider XY females not biological males.

What makes a biological male then?

That's a very complex question that I don't have the time to explain in detail.

Between the same genders you have multiple variants and syndromes. But in the end of the day or you produce sperm, or eggs or neither.

Unfortunately science is not evolve to the point where you can really change your biological gender.

Maybe one day it will until then we can't pretend that biological differences between man and women are not real. "

Well we've established it isn't chromosomes at least. If it's so complicated to explain, how can we insist over the Internet who is and isn't?

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By *ndreisabelCouple over a year ago

wigan

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

It's possible to have XY chromosomes and have a uterus. Very few of us actually know what sex chromosomes we have.

That's absolutely true. But they still can't give birth...

With IVF they can.

Yes it's very true but is rare.

In scientific term they are consider XY females not biological males.

What makes a biological male then?

That's a very complex question that I don't have the time to explain in detail.

Between the same genders you have multiple variants and syndromes. But in the end of the day or you produce sperm, or eggs or neither.

Unfortunately science is not evolve to the point where you can really change your biological gender.

Maybe one day it will until then we can't pretend that biological differences between man and women are not real.

Well we've established it isn't chromosomes at least. If it's so complicated to explain, how can we insist over the Internet who is and isn't? "

My argument is that if you are born as a biological male you cannot change your biological gender and give birth, have a period, so on... You can change how you identify and change some physical traits but that's about it for now.

I wish that was possible because it could bring a lot of happiness to many.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Everything gets changed twisted and diverted

Pleasing everyone is impossible

But pissing them off I simple

That's life and guess what ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everything gets changed twisted and diverted

Pleasing everyone is impossible

But pissing them off I simple

That's life and guess what ?"

What?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everything gets changed twisted and diverted

Pleasing everyone is impossible

But pissing them off I simple

That's life and guess what ?

What?"

Nice sky remote

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By *irty PrettyWoman over a year ago

Cardiff

So is it possible for a man to have a period? Not all women have periods but only women can have periods! That's basic biology...

Trans men have periods

Yes they have. Because when they born they were biological women...

And they are men. Who have periods.

Yes a biological women can become a trans man! That doesn't mean that biological man can give birth or have periods!

It's possible to have XY chromosomes and have a uterus. Very few of us actually know what sex chromosomes we have.

That's absolutely true. But they still can't give birth...

With IVF they can.

Yes it's very true but is rare.

In scientific term they are consider XY females not biological males.

What makes a biological male then?

That's a very complex question that I don't have the time to explain in detail.

Between the same genders you have multiple variants and syndromes. But in the end of the day or you produce sperm, or eggs or neither.

Unfortunately science is not evolve to the point where you can really change your biological gender.

Maybe one day it will until then we can't pretend that biological differences between man and women are not real.

Well we've established it isn't chromosomes at least. If it's so complicated to explain, how can we insist over the Internet who is and isn't?

I wish that was possible because it could bring a lot of happiness to many. "

There’s no such thing as biological gender. Biological sex and gender are different things.

Jeez, I go offline to try and enjoy my birthday and come back to gender essentialism