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The late late nocturnal thread ©™

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Tank fly boss walk jam nitty-gritty. You're listening to the boy from the big bad Salop. This is Jim hot, this is Jim hot.

Hello! Cowabunga tattva namaste. And of course, good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening. What's on your beautiful mind? What you up to? Working? Pervin'?

Lurking?

Whatever you're doing, share it here. Chat with other pervy night owls

and pervy night flamingos.

Talk about anything you want.

Newbies, thread watchers, you're very welcome here. Very, very welcome. Don't be shy, give us a try.

Let's nocturnal. Smileyface

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *he Mac LassWoman over a year ago

Hefty Hideaway

Ey up Jim! Evening night owls x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hi"

I'll have a black Americano please.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good Evening Jim and my nocturnal friends

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By *JB1954Man over a year ago

Reading

Evening Jim and all. Every one ready for the long weekend.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Hi"

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Nell. You're tonight's ¹st poster, nice one! ¹stface

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By *andsome HandMan over a year ago

roundabout

Evening one and all

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Ey up Jim! Evening night owls x"

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Mac Lass. How the flip are you? x

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Good Evening Jim and my nocturnal friends

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Tony. Hello to your little friend. Have you both had a good Friday?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Evening Jim, most of the way through a chablis and the bolognese I've been nurturing gently is just about ready.

What's your favourite piano tune?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening Jim and all. Every one ready for the long weekend.

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening to thee, GJB. I keep forgetting it's a Bank Holiday.

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By *rooperRedMan over a year ago

Littlehampton

Is this what classed as late late? Or am I just early to the party?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hi

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Nell. You're tonight's ¹st poster, nice one! ¹stface"

Thank you Jim. How is your arm?

I made a chocolate and raspberry pudding for tea, which went down very well with the sproglets. What they don't know is that the main ingredient was kidney beans. I feel like an evil genius right now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Evening Jim, how's you? X

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Hi

I'll have a black Americano please."

Americannos, blue jeans and chinos.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Noswaith da Jim!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening one and all"

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Ob. It looks like you're looking up at my nocturnal bum.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi Jim

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Evening Jimothy

How are you today? Px

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hi

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Nell. You're tonight's ¹st poster, nice one! ¹stface

Thank you Jim. How is your arm?

I made a chocolate and raspberry pudding for tea, which went down very well with the sproglets. What they don't know is that the main ingredient was kidney beans. I feel like an evil genius right now

I made puttanesca for a pal of mine this week, he made me pick th olives out and told me you'd never get him eating anchovies. Had 2/3 of a tin in. Hw finished the bowl regardless. What you don't know doesn't hurt you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hi

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Nell. You're tonight's ¹st poster, nice one! ¹stface

Thank you Jim. How is your arm?

I made a chocolate and raspberry pudding for tea, which went down very well with the sproglets. What they don't know is that the main ingredient was kidney beans. I feel like an evil genius right now

Ha! I like your modus operandi. I'd have made him pick out his own olives though.

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By *eliWoman over a year ago

Hello night owls! Hello Jimjam

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By *JB1954Man over a year ago

Reading

"Evening Jim and all. Every one ready for the long weekend.

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening to thee, GJB. I keep forgetting it's a Bank Holiday."

Yes if like me no weekends just days of week. Being retired.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Evening jim today i have mostly been trying on bras

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By *gent CoulsonMan over a year ago

Secret hideaway in the pennines

Hi EJ, hi Fabbsters, from my secret hideout in the pennines

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening Jim, most of the way through a chablis and the bolognese I've been nurturing gently is just about ready.

What's your favourite piano tune?"

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Grey

Nice work.

I'm not a fan of Billy Joel. But I do like, Always A Woman To Me. What's your favourite piano song? And what song do you like by an artist you don't like?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Is this what classed as late late? Or am I just early to the party?"

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Trooper. It's dark, that's good enough for me. Welcome to The late late nocturnal thread ©™. Smileyface

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Everybody say hello to Trooper. He's a Trooper.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

evening jim, evening all!

its a cold one here so a night in the beer garden ended early... trying to warm up at home now!

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By *ildbillkidMan over a year ago

where the road goes on forever

Howdy

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By *heMightySpud69Man over a year ago

Milton keynes

Evenin' Jim. Evenin' all. Gow's everyone doin' today?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Hi

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Nell. You're tonight's ¹st poster, nice one! ¹stface

Thank you Jim. How is your arm?

I made a chocolate and raspberry pudding for tea, which went down very well with the sproglets. What they don't know is that the main ingredient was kidney beans. I feel like an evil genius right now

My arm is still connected to my side. Which is good.

Oh, that is genius. Good mumming.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Goodnight fellow Nocturnals, I'm falling asleep on the sofa again so I should probably drag my tired arese to bed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Goodnight fellow Nocturnals, I'm falling asleep on the sofa again so I should probably drag my tired arese to bed."

Na night, Nelly. x

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening Jim, how's you? X"

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Kitty. I'm always better for seeing you. I'm good. I had my first Covid vaccination today.

How are you?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening Jim, how's you? X

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Kitty. I'm always better for seeing you. I'm good. I had my first Covid vaccination today.

How are you?"

Have a kiss. x

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By *andsome HandMan over a year ago

roundabout

"Evening one and all

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Ob. It looks like you're looking up at my nocturnal bum."

I noticed earlier that it looks like I'm focusing on the Fabber above but it's purely coincidental

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Evening All.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Jim! Mr KC and I have both worked very hard today and we're quite knackered! Mr KC has done some more family research and found a man called Barwise (!) and we had a chippy tea

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Noswaith da Jim!

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Dreavus. Next time you're in a traffic jam in Shrewsbury I'll bring snacks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Good Evening Jim and my nocturnal friends

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Tony. Hello to your little friend. Have you both had a good Friday?"

Hello there Jim yes I have thank you I hope you have too! .... I’ll see you at the Manchester social it looks like

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Hi Jim

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Essexman. How are you? How's Essex?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Evening Jim, most of the way through a chablis and the bolognese I've been nurturing gently is just about ready.

What's your favourite piano tune?

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Grey

Nice work.

I'm not a fan of Billy Joel. But I do like, Always A Woman To Me. What's your favourite piano song? And what song do you like by an artist you don't like?"

Excellent questions Jim. As it's Spring I'm gonna say La Ritournelle by Sebastien Tellier. I really like Dakota by the Stereophonics but I loathe the band. Great song.

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By *luebell888Woman over a year ago

Glasgowish

Good evening. Off tonight so chilling with my dogs and a bottle of wine.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening Jimothy

How are you today? Px

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Prinny.

I'm good, I had my first Covid vaccination today, it's a good feeling. I almost said civic vaccination. Which in a way, it is.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening Jimothy

How are you today? Px

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Prinny.

I'm good, I had my first Covid vaccination today, it's a good feeling. I almost said civic vaccination. Which in a way, it is."

Have a kiss. x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Evening Jim, how's you? X

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Kitty. I'm always better for seeing you. I'm good. I had my first Covid vaccination today.

How are you?"

Lol lucky you, how are you feeling? I hear they're not so fun!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Hello night owls! Hello Jimjam

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Meli and your pretty face.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Jim! Mr KC and I have both worked very hard today and we're quite knackered! Mr KC has done some more family research and found a man called Barwise (!) and we had a chippy tea

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Good evening. Off tonight so chilling with my dogs and a bottle of wine."

Hope the dogs aren't on the wine as well

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By *olo_89Couple over a year ago

Kettering

Evening all

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening Jim and all. Every one ready for the long weekend.

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening to thee, GJB. I keep forgetting it's a Bank Holiday.

Yes if like me no weekends just days of week. Being retired.

Any joy with the house hunting?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening jim today i have mostly been trying on bras

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Dynamic. Did you go to M&S?

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By *eliWoman over a year ago

"Hello night owls! Hello Jimjam

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Meli and your pretty face."

Awww you think I'm pretty!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Hi EJ, hi Fabbsters, from my secret hideout in the pennines "

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Agent. *Salutes* I bet it's parky in the Pennines.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

How do, Mr and Mrs KC"

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"evening jim, evening all!

its a cold one here so a night in the beer garden ended early... trying to warm up at home now!

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Marky Mark. When the hell are we going to get some spring temperatures?!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Howdy"

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening and howdy, Bill. I've not heard anything about Texas. I'm guessing the back to normal life is working.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evenin' Jim. Evenin' all. Gow's everyone doin' today?"

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Spud. I'm doin' good. How are youuuuuuuu?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening one and all

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Ob. It looks like you're looking up at my nocturnal bum.

I noticed earlier that it looks like I'm focusing on the Fabber above but it's purely coincidental "

That's what they all say.

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By *ark ph0enixWoman over a year ago

Teesside

Evening fab folk

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening All. "

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening. What's up, Doc?

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By *heMightySpud69Man over a year ago

Milton keynes

"Evenin' Jim. Evenin' all. Gow's everyone doin' today?

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Spud. I'm doin' good. How are youuuuuuuu?"

Wonderful thanks, been to the pub for the first time in ages!

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By *ildbillkidMan over a year ago

where the road goes on forever

"Howdy

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening and howdy, Bill. I've not heard anything about Texas. I'm guessing the back to normal life is working."
seems so , but i don't go out much, more traffic more people out and about

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By *heMightySpud69Man over a year ago

Milton keynes

"Hello night owls! Hello Jimjam

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Meli and your pretty face.

Awww you think I'm pretty!

He's got a point

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, KC and the Moonlight Band. Is Barwise a username?! What a great name. Man alive, I haven't had fish and chips in ² years.

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By *luebell888Woman over a year ago

Glasgowish

"Good evening. Off tonight so chilling with my dogs and a bottle of wine.

Hope the dogs aren't on the wine as well

No chance. My wine is only for me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Hello night owls! Hello Jimjam

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Meli and your pretty face.

Awww you think I'm pretty!

He's got a point

He's noticed my point. ^

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Alreeeeet Jim and all you sexy perves, I'm having a quiet evening after a hectic night last night,when I had a flat full of dr*nken eejits annoying me all night

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Good Evening Jim and my nocturnal friends

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Tony. Hello to your little friend. Have you both had a good Friday?

Hello there Jim yes I have thank you I hope you have too! .... I’ll see you at the Manchester social it looks like

Nice one, Tony!

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By *heMightySpud69Man over a year ago

Milton keynes

"Hello night owls! Hello Jimjam

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Meli and your pretty face.

Awww you think I'm pretty!

He's got a point

He's noticed my point. ^"

And very impressive it is too

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening Jim, most of the way through a chablis and the bolognese I've been nurturing gently is just about ready.

What's your favourite piano tune?

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Grey

Nice work.

I'm not a fan of Billy Joel. But I do like, Always A Woman To Me. What's your favourite piano song? And what song do you like by an artist you don't like?

Excellent questions Jim. As it's Spring I'm gonna say La Ritournelle by Sebastien Tellier. I really like Dakota by the Stereophonics but I loathe the band. Great song."

Yes, Dakota good song, not a great band.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Grey Cat is bar wise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

Hey Mrs KC, there's a helicopter buzzing overhead looking for something or someone, otherwise fairly quiet.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Good evening. Off tonight so chilling with my dogs and a bottle of wine."

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Bluebell. You've been sharing some fantastic photos recently. Enjoy your evening.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening Jim, how's you? X

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Kitty. I'm always better for seeing you. I'm good. I had my first Covid vaccination today.

How are you?

Lol lucky you, how are you feeling? I hear they're not so fun!"

I'm good, no side effects at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Grey Cat is bar wise."

I know all the best bars.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

Evening

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, KC and the Moonlight Band. Is Barwise a username?! What a great name. Man alive, I haven't had fish and chips in ² years."

Barwise is a relative of Mr KC's from the Victorian times. I felt it was rather unusual!!

It was a very tasty portion of fish n chips and we had some curry sauce to dip our chips in

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening all"

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Cherre. It's good to see you again. How are two doing tonight?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Hello night owls! Hello Jimjam

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Meli and your pretty face.

Awww you think I'm pretty!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

Hey Mrs KC, there's a helicopter buzzing overhead looking for something or someone, otherwise fairly quiet. "

We had a really big military helicopter go over our house yesterday morning. Mr KC could tell us what sort of helicopter but I'm no expert

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening fab folk

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Phoenix. How's tricks?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Noswaith da Jim!

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Dreavus. Next time you're in a traffic jam in Shrewsbury I'll bring snacks."

Where were you? I shouted your name and asked for a bag of giant Wotsits and you didn't come????

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evenin' Jim. Evenin' all. Gow's everyone doin' today?

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Spud. I'm doin' good. How are youuuuuuuu?

Wonderful thanks, been to the pub for the first time in ages!"

Nice one, that's a good Friday.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Howdy

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening and howdy, Bill. I've not heard anything about Texas. I'm guessing the back to normal life is working. seems so , but i don't go out much, more traffic more people out and about"

*Nods*

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Noswaith da Jim!

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Dreavus. Next time you're in a traffic jam in Shrewsbury I'll bring snacks.

Where were you? I shouted your name and asked for a bag of giant Wotsits and you didn't come???? "

He only cums if you give him Frazzles

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

Hey Mrs KC, there's a helicopter buzzing overhead looking for something or someone, otherwise fairly quiet.

We had a really big military helicopter go over our house yesterday morning. Mr KC could tell us what sort of helicopter but I'm no expert

Used to watch them coming along the Thames when I worked for the DoH in a tower block in vauxhall. The Apaches are fucking terrifying. Fuck being at the pointy end of one of them.

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By *heMightySpud69Man over a year ago

Milton keynes

"Evenin' Jim. Evenin' all. Gow's everyone doin' today?

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Spud. I'm doin' good. How are youuuuuuuu?

Wonderful thanks, been to the pub for the first time in ages!

Nice one, that's a good Friday.

Really was!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Alreeeeet Jim and all you sexy perves, I'm having a quiet evening after a hectic night last night,when I had a flat full of dr*nken eejits annoying me all night

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Ace. How is Brother Dave?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Hello night owls! Hello Jimjam

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Meli and your pretty face.

Awww you think I'm pretty!

He's got a point

He's noticed my point. ^

And very impressive it is too

Thank you very much.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Grey Cat is bar wise.

I know all the best bars."

That's why I said what I said.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Samiss. Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Molly.

How are you? I'm taking to you, not the cat.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, KC and the Moonlight Band. Is Barwise a username?! What a great name. Man alive, I haven't had fish and chips in ² years.

Barwise is a relative of Mr KC's from the Victorian times. I felt it was rather unusual!!

It was a very tasty portion of fish n chips and we had some curry sauce to dip our chips in

You're making me hungry.

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Grey Cat is bar wise.

I know all the best bars."

He's been to Mars ^

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

Hey Mrs KC, there's a helicopter buzzing overhead looking for something or someone, otherwise fairly quiet.

We had a really big military helicopter go over our house yesterday morning. Mr KC could tell us what sort of helicopter but I'm no expert

I didn't know Mr KC is into choppers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Grey Cat is bar wise.

I know all the best bars.

That's why I said what I said."

Soz. Stating the obvious. I'm gonna open a 2nd bottle of wine. I figure as it's a screw top I don't have to finish this one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Noswaith da Jim!

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Dreavus. Next time you're in a traffic jam in Shrewsbury I'll bring snacks.

Where were you? I shouted your name and asked for a bag of giant Wotsits and you didn't come???? "

You should have shouted a second time. I was having a sit down wee.

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Alreeeeet Jim and all you sexy perves, I'm having a quiet evening after a hectic night last night,when I had a flat full of dr*nken eejits annoying me all night

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Ace. How is Brother Dave?"

I think he's recovering today as well

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Evening mr Jim.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, KC and the Moonlight Band. Is Barwise a username?! What a great name. Man alive, I haven't had fish and chips in ² years.

Barwise is a relative of Mr KC's from the Victorian times. I felt it was rather unusual!!

It was a very tasty portion of fish n chips and we had some curry sauce to dip our chips in

You're making me hungry."

There's some curry sauce left but Mr KC snaffled the last of the chips

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Grey Cat is bar wise.

I know all the best bars.

That's why I said what I said.

Soz. Stating the obvious. I'm gonna open a 2nd bottle of wine. I figure as it's a screw top I don't have to finish this one. "

Get it open.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Evening

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Samiss. Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Molly.

How are you? I'm taking to you, not the cat."

all good here, hope you are too x Miss Molly is as fat as lard, so I have been chasing her around the garden to get some weight off her..I'm knackered!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

Hey Mrs KC, there's a helicopter buzzing overhead looking for something or someone, otherwise fairly quiet.

We had a really big military helicopter go over our house yesterday morning. Mr KC could tell us what sort of helicopter but I'm no expert

I didn't know Mr KC is into choppers."

He's into military stuff in general I'd say

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Grey Cat is bar wise.

I know all the best bars.

He's been to Mars ^

I worked, rested and played.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Alreeeeet Jim and all you sexy perves, I'm having a quiet evening after a hectic night last night,when I had a flat full of dr*nken eejits annoying me all night

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Ace. How is Brother Dave?

I think he's recovering today as well

Haha.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening mr Jim.

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening and Korma, Lorna. When are we going to hear you on the radio next?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, KC and the Moonlight Band. Is Barwise a username?! What a great name. Man alive, I haven't had fish and chips in ² years.

Barwise is a relative of Mr KC's from the Victorian times. I felt it was rather unusual!!

It was a very tasty portion of fish n chips and we had some curry sauce to dip our chips in

You're making me hungry.

There's some curry sauce left but Mr KC snaffled the last of the chips

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Samiss. Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Molly.

How are you? I'm taking to you, not the cat.

all good here, hope you are too x Miss Molly is as fat as lard, so I have been chasing her around the garden to get some weight off her..I'm knackered!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Shaaaaaaaaaaaaatinggggg.

Good evening to u all.

I’m a forum newbie and learning how to use it to interact with some new ppl with a similar interest to myself

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

Hey Mrs KC, there's a helicopter buzzing overhead looking for something or someone, otherwise fairly quiet.

We had a really big military helicopter go over our house yesterday morning. Mr KC could tell us what sort of helicopter but I'm no expert

I didn't know Mr KC is into choppers.

He's into military stuff in general I'd say

Shrewsbury castle is the Soldiers of Shropshire Museum. It's packed full of military stuff.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Shaaaaaaaaaaaaatinggggg.

Good evening to u all.

I’m a forum newbie and learning how to use it to interact with some new ppl with a similar interest to myself "

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Nice Guy.

Welcome to The late late nocturnal thread ©™. Smileyface

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Evening mr Jim.

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening and Korma, Lorna. When are we going to hear you on the radio next?"

Not sure but you will be the first to know.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Everybody say hello to Nice Guy the new guy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening mr Jim.

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening and Korma, Lorna. When are we going to hear you on the radio next?

Not sure but you will be the first to know. "

How are you doing?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

Hey Mrs KC, there's a helicopter buzzing overhead looking for something or someone, otherwise fairly quiet.

We had a really big military helicopter go over our house yesterday morning. Mr KC could tell us what sort of helicopter but I'm no expert

I didn't know Mr KC is into choppers.

He's into military stuff in general I'd say

Shrewsbury castle is the Soldiers of Shropshire Museum. It's packed full of military stuff."

That's exactly the sort of place we'd normally visit if we had a weekend away. Do know any decent tour guides in the Shrewsbury area, Jim?

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

Good Eeeeeevening Jim,

Hope you are well tonight. Just passing through, as I'm at the shop in the morning!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Everybody say hello to Nice Guy the new guy."

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Nice Guy the new guy. Welcome to the nuttiness that is the nocturnal thread, *waves*

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shaaaaaaaaaaaaatinggggg.

Good evening to u all.

I’m a forum newbie and learning how to use it to interact with some new ppl with a similar interest to myself "

Hey Mr Nice Guy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shaaaaaaaaaaaaatinggggg.

Good evening to u all.

I’m a forum newbie and learning how to use it to interact with some new ppl with a similar interest to myself

Hey Mr Nice Guy

Good evening to u a moon grey cat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everybody say hello to Nice Guy the new guy.

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Nice Guy the new guy. Welcome to the nuttiness that is the nocturnal thread, *waves*"

Good evening kinky couple 2020

Thank u. Feeling very welcome

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Evening mr Jim.

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening and Korma, Lorna. When are we going to hear you on the radio next?

Not sure but you will be the first to know.

How are you doing?"

Well I'm alive!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Noswaith da Jim!

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Dreavus. Next time you're in a traffic jam in Shrewsbury I'll bring snacks.

Where were you? I shouted your name and asked for a bag of giant Wotsits and you didn't come????

You should have shouted a second time. I was having a sit down wee."

That's a posh wee that is

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shaaaaaaaaaaaaatinggggg.

Good evening to u all.

I’m a forum newbie and learning how to use it to interact with some new ppl with a similar interest to myself

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Nice Guy.

Welcome to The late late nocturnal thread ©™. Smileyface"
good evening Jim. Thank u

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

Hey Mrs KC, there's a helicopter buzzing overhead looking for something or someone, otherwise fairly quiet.

We had a really big military helicopter go over our house yesterday morning. Mr KC could tell us what sort of helicopter but I'm no expert

I didn't know Mr KC is into choppers.

He's into military stuff in general I'd say

Shrewsbury castle is the Soldiers of Shropshire Museum. It's packed full of military stuff.

That's exactly the sort of place we'd normally visit if we had a weekend away. Do know any decent tour guides in the Shrewsbury area, Jim?

Ayyy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

Hey Mrs KC, there's a helicopter buzzing overhead looking for something or someone, otherwise fairly quiet.

We had a really big military helicopter go over our house yesterday morning. Mr KC could tell us what sort of helicopter but I'm no expert

I didn't know Mr KC is into choppers.

He's into military stuff in general I'd say

Shrewsbury castle is the Soldiers of Shropshire Museum. It's packed full of military stuff.

That's exactly the sort of place we'd normally visit if we had a weekend away. Do know any decent tour guides in the Shrewsbury area, Jim?

I know a guy called Jim, took me on a tour of Shrewsbury and showed me the sights and a big erection in the park. Will tell him you want a tour

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening mr Jim.

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening and Korma, Lorna. When are we going to hear you on the radio next?

Not sure but you will be the first to know.

How are you doing?

Well I'm alive!"

Good news!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Good Eeeeeevening Jim,

Hope you are well tonight. Just passing through, as I'm at the shop in the morning!

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Iain.

Have a good day at the shop. Smileyface

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shaaaaaaaaaaaaatinggggg.

Good evening to u all.

I’m a forum newbie and learning how to use it to interact with some new ppl with a similar interest to myself "

Hello. Lovely of you to participate. Have you met Jim?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Evening mr Jim.

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening and Korma, Lorna. When are we going to hear you on the radio next?

Not sure but you will be the first to know.

How are you doing?

Well I'm alive!

Good news!"

It is isn't it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Noswaith da Jim!

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Dreavus. Next time you're in a traffic jam in Shrewsbury I'll bring snacks.

Where were you? I shouted your name and asked for a bag of giant Wotsits and you didn't come????

You should have shouted a second time. I was having a sit down wee.

That's a posh wee that is"

I'm not in Telford!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Shaaaaaaaaaaaaatinggggg.

Good evening to u all.

I’m a forum newbie and learning how to use it to interact with some new ppl with a similar interest to myself

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Nice Guy.

No worries.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

Hey Mrs KC, there's a helicopter buzzing overhead looking for something or someone, otherwise fairly quiet.

We had a really big military helicopter go over our house yesterday morning. Mr KC could tell us what sort of helicopter but I'm no expert

I didn't know Mr KC is into choppers.

He's into military stuff in general I'd say

Shrewsbury castle is the Soldiers of Shropshire Museum. It's packed full of military stuff.

That's exactly the sort of place we'd normally visit if we had a weekend away. Do know any decent tour guides in the Shrewsbury area, Jim?

I know a guy called Jim, took me on a tour of Shrewsbury and showed me the sights and a big erection in the park. Will tell him you want a tour

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I need a a sit down wee. Please don't be silly while I'm away. You know how much I dislike silliness.

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

"Good Eeeeeevening Jim,

Hope you are well tonight. Just passing through, as I'm at the shop in the morning!

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Iain.

Have a good day at the shop. Smileyface"

I heard today, it's been busy all week, so probably same tomorrow. I'm only doing 9am-2pm.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Noswaith da Jim!

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Dreavus. Next time you're in a traffic jam in Shrewsbury I'll bring snacks.

Where were you? I shouted your name and asked for a bag of giant Wotsits and you didn't come????

You should have shouted a second time. I was having a sit down wee.

That's a posh wee that is

I'm not in Telford!"

Neither am I! Ironbridge it could be classed as posh. But never Telford

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shaaaaaaaaaaaaatinggggg.

Good evening to u all.

I’m a forum newbie and learning how to use it to interact with some new ppl with a similar interest to myself

Hello. Lovely of you to participate. Have you met Jim?

I’ve not met anyone from fab yet. Unfortunately I’ve not been that lucky

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shaaaaaaaaaaaaatinggggg.

Good evening to u all.

I’m a forum newbie and learning how to use it to interact with some new ppl with a similar interest to myself

Hello. Lovely of you to participate. Have you met Jim?

I’ve not met anyone from fab yet. Unfortunately I’ve not been that lucky "

Can be problematic with this pesky pandemic thing

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

Hey Mrs KC, there's a helicopter buzzing overhead looking for something or someone, otherwise fairly quiet.

We had a really big military helicopter go over our house yesterday morning. Mr KC could tell us what sort of helicopter but I'm no expert

I didn't know Mr KC is into choppers.

He's into military stuff in general I'd say

Shrewsbury castle is the Soldiers of Shropshire Museum. It's packed full of military stuff.

That's exactly the sort of place we'd normally visit if we had a weekend away. Do know any decent tour guides in the Shrewsbury area, Jim?

I know a guy called Jim, took me on a tour of Shrewsbury and showed me the sights and a big erection in the park. Will tell him you want a tour

Ooooooft, we'd love a big erection in a Salopian park

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I need a a sit down wee. Please don't be silly while I'm away. You know how much I dislike silliness."

*Silly string squirter*

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How do, Mr and Mrs KC

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening Moon! How's Londinium this fine evening? It's Mrs KC here

Hey Mrs KC, there's a helicopter buzzing overhead looking for something or someone, otherwise fairly quiet.

We had a really big military helicopter go over our house yesterday morning. Mr KC could tell us what sort of helicopter but I'm no expert

I didn't know Mr KC is into choppers.

He's into military stuff in general I'd say

Shrewsbury castle is the Soldiers of Shropshire Museum. It's packed full of military stuff.

That's exactly the sort of place we'd normally visit if we had a weekend away. Do know any decent tour guides in the Shrewsbury area, Jim?

I know a guy called Jim, took me on a tour of Shrewsbury and showed me the sights and a big erection in the park. Will tell him you want a tour

Ooooooft, we'd love a big erection in a Salopian park

It was huge! And it was a very nice park

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Good Eeeeeevening Jim,

Hope you are well tonight. Just passing through, as I'm at the shop in the morning!

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Iain.

Have a good day at the shop. Smileyface

I heard today, it's been busy all week, so probably same tomorrow. I'm only doing 9am-2pm."

How do you feel about being out in a busy town?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I need a a sit down wee. Please don't be silly while I'm away. You know how much I dislike silliness.

*Silly string squirter*

I'm not tidying that up.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It's the midnight hour.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I need a a sit down wee. Please don't be silly while I'm away. You know how much I dislike silliness.

*Silly string squirter*

I'm not tidying that up."

Erm, I'm disabled so I can't get on my knees to do the dustpan and brush. Soz

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"I need a a sit down wee. Please don't be silly while I'm away. You know how much I dislike silliness.

*Silly string squirter*

*Throws in some plastic popcorn as well

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dammit I missed the opportunity to be silly while Jim wasn't looking

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Dammit I missed the opportunity to be silly while Jim wasn't looking "

Do you like my speaker MGC?

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By *ed VoluptaWoman over a year ago

Wirral.

Hello Jimerooski & other nocturnaling folk!

Tis the witching hour, so I've popped in to see what the craic is

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hello Jimerooski & other nocturnaling folk!

Tis the witching hour, so I've popped in to see what the craic is

Yay! Hello Red.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dammit I missed the opportunity to be silly while Jim wasn't looking

Do you like my speaker MGC?

Oh my God Ace, they're beautiful. Put them on stands man. Unless the floor is concrete. Is the floor concrete? Such retro tech chic. Makes mental note to pose like a tart by my old brown Kefs*

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Hello Jimerooski & other nocturnaling folk!

Tis the witching hour, so I've popped in to see what the craic is

Yay! Hello Red.

^^^What London lad said

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By *ed VoluptaWoman over a year ago

Wirral.

"Hello Jimerooski & other nocturnaling folk!

Tis the witching hour, so I've popped in to see what the craic is

Yay! Hello Red.

Helloooo Moon grey! How's the Big Smoke? Xx

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By *ed VoluptaWoman over a year ago

Wirral.

"Hello Jimerooski & other nocturnaling folk!

Tis the witching hour, so I've popped in to see what the craic is

Yay! Hello Red.

^^^What London lad said

How do KC? Will you be pricking people again this weekend? I'm doing some overtime tomorrow & Sunday. Xx

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Dammit I missed the opportunity to be silly while Jim wasn't looking

Do you like my speaker MGC?

Oh my God Ace, they're beautiful. Put them on stands man. Unless the floor is concrete. Is the floor concrete? Such retro tech chic. Makes mental note to pose like a tart by my old brown Kefs*"

Yeah, they're floor standing speakers manufactured in 1969, and I live in a top flat with a concrete floor, also ma amp goes up to number 11

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dammit I missed the opportunity to be silly while Jim wasn't looking

Do you like my speaker MGC?

Oh my God Ace, they're beautiful. Put them on stands man. Unless the floor is concrete. Is the floor concrete? Such retro tech chic. Makes mental note to pose like a tart by my old brown Kefs*

Yeah, they're floor standing speakers manufactured in 1969, and I live in a top flat with a concrete floor, also ma amp goes up to number 11

They don't look like floor standers, but concrete floor is perfect.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I need a a sit down wee. Please don't be silly while I'm away. You know how much I dislike silliness.

*Silly string squirter*

I'm not tidying that up.

Erm, I'm disabled so I can't get on my knees to do the dustpan and brush. Soz

Unbelievable. I suppose I'd better do it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Dammit I missed the opportunity to be silly while Jim wasn't looking "

You snooze you lose.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hello Jimerooski & other nocturnaling folk!

Tis the witching hour, so I've popped in to see what the craic is

Yay! Hello Red.

Helloooo Moon grey! How's the Big Smoke? Xx"

It's slowly stirring. I don't want it to fully wake up ever again. The trains have been so calm.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dammit I missed the opportunity to be silly while Jim wasn't looking

You snooze you lose."

Fair point. Well made too

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Hello Jimerooski & other nocturnaling folk!

Tis the witching hour, so I've popped in to see what the craic is

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Red. Happy Saturday, happy midnight hour.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Dammit I missed the opportunity to be silly while Jim wasn't looking

You snooze you lose.

Fair point. Well made too"

Haha.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Hello Jimerooski & other nocturnaling folk!

Tis the witching hour, so I've popped in to see what the craic is

Yay! Hello Red.

^^^What London lad said

How do KC? Will you be pricking people again this weekend? I'm doing some overtime tomorrow & Sunday. Xx"

I'm indeed jabbing the populace of Mancunia on Sunday afternoon, yes yes. I hope you get paid for overtime? I don't but I need to get some essays marked so that's a job for Monday

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I've got a headache, I think my vaccine is kicking in.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I need a a sit down wee. Please don't be silly while I'm away. You know how much I dislike silliness.

*Silly string squirter*

I'm not tidying that up.

Erm, I'm disabled so I can't get on my knees to do the dustpan and brush. Soz

Unbelievable. I suppose I'd better do it."

Thanks Jim

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I've got a headache, I think my vaccine is kicking in."

Get some paracetamol in you

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I've got a headache, I think my vaccine is kicking in.

Get some paracetamol in you

I'll have to do a quick search.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I've got a headache, I think my vaccine is kicking in.

Get some paracetamol in you

I'll have to do a quick search."

You can take paracetamol after the vaccines, tis okay

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I've got a headache, I think my vaccine is kicking in.

Get some paracetamol in you

I'll have to do a quick search.

You can take paracetamol after the vaccines, tis okay

I meant search for paracetamol. I've had ². I've got chills, they're multiplying.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Evening !!! Or should I say morning

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening !!! Or should I say morning "

Have you just woken up?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Evening !!! Or should I say morning

Have you just woken up?"

Yeah been asleep & just woke and thought I’d check in to see what’s occurring

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening !!! Or should I say morning

Have you just woken up?

Yeah been asleep & just woke and thought I’d check in to see what’s occurring

Well in that case I shall wish you a good morning. Good moooooooooooooooorning.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Evening !!! Or should I say morning

Have you just woken up?

Yeah been asleep & just woke and thought I’d check in to see what’s occurring

Well in that case I shall wish you a good morning. Good moooooooooooooooorning."

Well good morning to you too EJ

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Evening !!! Or should I say morning

Have you just woken up?

Yeah been asleep & just woke and thought I’d check in to see what’s occurring

Well in that case I shall wish you a good morning. Good moooooooooooooooorning.

Well good morning to you too EJ

What's for breakfast?

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