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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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I am not sure if you have seen russel brands latest video interviewing snowden? It was interesting about how we are being tracked by the nsa on our phones and even the simplest of apps like the calculator is gathering information and also when you put down your phone and not using it it is still communicating, what is your view about it? I agree that the only way around is not to use an iphone but instead a simple nokia one, although they are not as fun  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Of course the idea is feasable with today's technology, but go back ten years; or maybe 20. I, for example, haven't used cash as my primary payment for donkeys. My movements can be tracked all the way back then through that trail. What's changed? The extent and the speed. The, "What have you got to hide?" argument isn't sufficient, but there's sense in it. Way of world. |
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"I am not sure if you have seen russel brands latest video interviewing snowden? It was interesting about how we are being tracked by the nsa on our phones and even the simplest of apps like the calculator is gathering information and also when you put down your phone and not using it it is still communicating, what is your view about it? I agree that the only way around is not to use an iphone but instead a simple nokia one, although they are not as fun "
That's modern life, unfortunately.
Phones are always talking to each other, as proved quite early last year when I had a social meet with someone new and a day later they were a Facebook friend suggestion, despite us having no mutual acquaintances
It used to be that knowledge was power, now it's data |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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PS, I hope my response came over as measured and not frivolous, but full disclosure... I wouldn't give Brand the time of day and Snowden betrayed his country. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Unless you lived in a cave for about 10 years, nothing is secret from you... phones? How about computer , debit card, nectar cards, Facebook, Google, email account hacked...
just don’t worry too much it’s too late |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Unless you lived in a cave for about 10 years, nothing is secret from you... phones? How about computer , debit card, nectar cards, Facebook, Google, email account hacked...
just don’t worry too much it’s too late "
Forgot cars who have computer inside too  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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snowden is out off touch
Apple are at the forefront off anti tracking
Yes maybe a older apple but apples stance agents fb as shown whare they stand
Google is the new apple in that regard |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"VPN for the sneaky stuff and you're all good"
VPN dose not stop a direct track
Ie read the terms when you install a app
It be leaching your data regardless off VPN all VPN stops is none direct track |
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"I am not sure if you have seen russel brands latest video interviewing snowden? It was interesting about how we are being tracked by the nsa on our phones and even the simplest of apps like the calculator is gathering information and also when you put down your phone and not using it it is still communicating, what is your view about it? I agree that the only way around is not to use an iphone but instead a simple nokia one, although they are not as fun "
I like a lot of what Russell Brand has to say and some of what Snowden has to say, but really not worth worrying about unless your hard-core activist or a spy, main thing I believe is to not be indoctrinated into the mainstream BS , like the Cambridge Analytica expose showed |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am not sure if you have seen russel brands latest video interviewing snowden? It was interesting about how we are being tracked by the nsa on our phones and even the simplest of apps like the calculator is gathering information and also when you put down your phone and not using it it is still communicating, what is your view about it? I agree that the only way around is not to use an iphone but instead a simple nokia one, although they are not as fun
That's modern life, unfortunately.
Phones are always talking to each other, as proved quite early last year when I had a social meet with someone new and a day later they were a Facebook friend suggestion, despite us having no mutual acquaintances
It used to be that knowledge was power, now it's data"
Wasn’t the phones talking that was the Facebook app tracking location data and pairing the two off you two gether |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's because people are nosey.
Facebook, Instagram etc you get what you deserve.
If you stop using these websites and apps then they have less to go on.
Same with people saying it's a shame shops close on the high street. Well stop using Amazon then lol.
You gave them power over you, you don't need Facebook or need to post a pic of what your eating on Instagram.
When asked Zuckerberg wouldn't say who his phone contacts were so why the fuck should he know what your doing.
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"It's because people are nosey.
Facebook, Instagram etc you get what you deserve.
If you stop using these websites and apps then they have less to go on.
Same with people saying it's a shame shops close on the high street. Well stop using Amazon then lol.
You gave them power over you, you don't need Facebook or need to post a pic of what your eating on Instagram.
When asked Zuckerberg wouldn't say who his phone contacts were so why the fuck should he know what your doing.
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Exactly this...they only know what you tell them ! |
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By *xhib12Man
over a year ago
Blyth |
If you're worried about being tracked just ask yourself, why?
What are you doing wrong that makes you worried?
Personally I couldn't give two hoots if some corporation or government body wants to track me or know what I do everyday. If they want to waste their time then go ahead, there's nothing to see.
Apps like Facebook, etc, only track you so they can pass on what you're looking at with the aim of you, potentially, becoming a customer and buying something. Personally, if I want to buy something I'll go and buy it. I certainly won't go out and buy something just because some 'targeted' advert has popped up in my Facebook feed.
People beed to get a grip and get over the 'big brother' fears. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well no one has coming knocking at my door yet!! Guess am not that interesting to spy on  "
'Now it is 1984
Knock-knock at your front door
It's the suede denim secret police
They have come for your uncool niece
Come quietly to the camp
You'd look nice as a drawstring lamp
Don't you worry, it's only a shower
For your clothes, here's a pretty flower' |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We are not even aware whether or brains are controlling us or our subconscious and our brain is only pretending its in control. Some fascinating research out there. "
that has blown my mind and feels like an online rabbithole I'm about to venture down for hours.. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
They don't even need to track you by phone, bank card or computer use. Even if you give these up and use cash you are still easily trackable and this will increase in the future. To get around this you need to give up the above and not go out.
Technology has moved on. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
If it means I get better ads popping up, bring it on.
Seriously if your paranoid use WhatsApp , VPN, ToR, Apple, not even the CIA can get into them. But hang on how did they really catch dread pirate Robert’s and bin laden , maybe they cracked ToR and pretended they haven’t. Maybe they’re reading this and I’ll disappear..... |
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By *AABMan
over a year ago
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Being tracked across the internet does not equate to loss of freedom. The NSA has zero interest in what you bought on Amazon or where you go running in the park. There’s no logical sense in tracking the communications or movements of every person in the planet. Their role is the security of the US and if they want to find the threat needle in the haystack they do not want to make the haystack bigger. Google and Zuckerberg track you because they want to sell you as a product to advertisers. If you don’t want that, don’t use Google, FB, or Instagram. Delete cookies, browse in stealth mode, and buy an iPhone instead of Android. Nothing to see here. |
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Look at some things apps are asking for, when you first log on.
Permission to access your media files, for storage
Permission to make and receive texts and phone calls.
Hmm sounds perfectly normal to me!
Both of those were from a game, which got quickly deleted. |
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"If you're worried about being tracked just ask yourself, why?
What are you doing wrong that makes you worried?
Personally I couldn't give two hoots if some corporation or government body wants to track me or know what I do everyday. If they want to waste their time then go ahead, there's nothing to see.
Apps like Facebook, etc, only track you so they can pass on what you're looking at with the aim of you, potentially, becoming a customer and buying something. Personally, if I want to buy something I'll go and buy it. I certainly won't go out and buy something just because some 'targeted' advert has popped up in my Facebook feed.
People beed to get a grip and get over the 'big brother' fears."
It isn't about what you're doing wrong. It's about knowing what you do, how you live and how you think in order to make more money out of you or influence you in one way or another and that isn't just a few cookie driven adverts which you can choose to ignore.
The art of the conman is to understand his/her victim them maniplulate them accordingly. Big business and politicians are certainly not above doing this in the pursuit of power and wealth. Your personal information is what enables them to do it. |
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The capability exists and there are obviously vast volumes of data on each of us, just because they can and want to. Private corporations have amassed huge volumes too - you are their product.
It's a loss of privacy and some freedom and would be better revoked. But it won't stop anytime soon. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"The capability exists and there are obviously vast volumes of data on each of us, just because they can and want to. Private corporations have amassed huge volumes too - you are their product.
It's a loss of privacy and some freedom and would be better revoked. But it won't stop anytime soon. "
If you just accept that all information has the right to be be free, it ultimately stops all lies, crime and corruption, what is the justification for privacy in a liberal society ? Why do we need secrets.
You browsed Amazon for a book or read a certain blog , why do you want to hold it away from
The world? Are you ashamed of your behaviour? |
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
Newry Down |
No-one is interested in anything I do, because my behaviour is almost indistinguishable from that of millions of others; the NSA, GCHQ Mossad, etc., cannot monitor everyone. They simply don't have the resources.
Paranoid and hypervigilant conspiracy theorists, many of whom are mentally unhinged, and in some instances deranged and delusional are polluting the human landscape with this'Big Brother' pervasive sirveillance nonsense.
Relax and enjoy life; no-one is interested in your mundane, routine, existence; unless you have criminal intent, that has been specifically brought to the attention of the authorities.
And even when they do receive credible information, do not be surprised at how incometently it is dealt with. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If you're worried about being tracked just ask yourself, why?
What are you doing wrong that makes you worried?
Personally I couldn't give two hoots if some corporation or government body wants to track me or know what I do everyday. If they want to waste their time then go ahead, there's nothing to see.
Apps like Facebook, etc, only track you so they can pass on what you're looking at with the aim of you, potentially, becoming a customer and buying something. Personally, if I want to buy something I'll go and buy it. I certainly won't go out and buy something just because some 'targeted' advert has popped up in my Facebook feed.
People need to get a grip and get over the 'big brother' fears."
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By *DW1983Man
over a year ago
Aberdeen, Leeds, Sheffield |
Yeah, I think its usually a load of alarmist nonsense. I'm sure the technology is there in theory but the idea that we're all being actively 'watched' is just daft. No one ever really seems to be able to give a sensible reason *why* a government would need to track every single one of us other than 'control' which sounds dramatic but in reality is pretty meaningless. |
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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago
Market Harborough / Kettering |
I'm 100% convinced that Google is listening to me through my phone. I've had several conversations recently about various subjects and as I look on Facebook I will see an advert for something I've just been talking about! Fair enough if I've used Google to search for something but for an add to appear after me simply talking about it ??  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm unsure about NSA tracking everyone's phones, that would need a heck of a lot of resources and man power. The same sort of thing has/was said about the internet when first came about.
All that being said, big tech companies definitely track what we download and search, this information is definitely collected and I guess could be accessed by NSA, but I'd think that there would have to be a more than good reason why NSA would want access to that information. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
What is being monitored and what is being extracted are two different things. If you can't monitor everyone there is no point monitoring anyone.
Those that leave trails are more than likely ignored, there will be exceptions of course. When you are looking for something, sometimes what you are looking for is what is actually missing, ie those leaving no or hardly leaving a trail - what are they hiding. |
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mine too - if they want to track me watching Netflix then let them crack on 