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Justin Bieber Cultural Appropriation
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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According to reports. His new hairstyle is cultural appropriation if there is just a thing. In Essex Tom's view anyone who thinks like that is part of a problem and not the solution. A hairstyle is not a Melton Mowbray pork pie with regional status although to be fair Tom has seen some people with hair like pork pies perched on their heads.. |
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As a young woman I spent some time in rural India. I was the only European for miles and the first white person many people had seen in the flesh. When we went out to temples etc I frequently wore a sari to try and blend in a bit. Nobody accused me of cultural appropriation and on the very rare occasion that I encountered someone in western clothes I didn't accuse them of it either.
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"As a young woman I spent some time in rural India. I was the only European for miles and the first white person many people had seen in the flesh. When we went out to temples etc I frequently wore a sari to try and blend in a bit. Nobody accused me of cultural appropriation and on the very rare occasion that I encountered someone in western clothes I didn't accuse them of it either.
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I agree. Most cultures saw it as rather a compliment that I wore their clothes. In some places, I wasn’t even allowed in without their traditional item of clothing, especially when visiting temples.
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"As a young woman I spent some time in rural India. I was the only European for miles and the first white person many people had seen in the flesh. When we went out to temples etc I frequently wore a sari to try and blend in a bit. Nobody accused me of cultural appropriation and on the very rare occasion that I encountered someone in western clothes I didn't accuse them of it either.
I agree. Most cultures saw it as rather a compliment that I wore their clothes. In some places, I wasn’t even allowed in without their traditional item of clothing, especially when visiting temples.
It’s an inevitability, the World is getting smaller."
It was a modesty thing too my skirts etc were a bit too short for some of the more traditional people  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Amazing that instead of seeing things like this as celebration or inspiration, they're lauded as appropriation. Culture is supposed to enrich the world, not be used to create more barriers.  |
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"Amazing that instead of seeing things like this as celebration or inspiration, they're lauded as appropriation. Culture is supposed to enrich the world, not be used to create more barriers. "
I agree. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As a young woman I spent some time in rural India. I was the only European for miles and the first white person many people had seen in the flesh. When we went out to temples etc I frequently wore a sari to try and blend in a bit. Nobody accused me of cultural appropriation and on the very rare occasion that I encountered someone in western clothes I didn't accuse them of it either.
I agree. Most cultures saw it as rather a compliment that I wore their clothes. In some places, I wasn’t even allowed in without their traditional item of clothing, especially when visiting temples.
It’s an inevitability, the World is getting smaller.
It was a modesty thing too my skirts etc were a bit too short for some of the more traditional people "
I think that was taken for granted.  |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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I often see people using this term when they don’t actually grasp what it means.
If you’re taking a cultural aspect and using it with respect and in the correct context, that’s not cultural appropriation.
If you’re wearing a sari around Tesco when you’re not south Asian, that’s cultural appropriation. |
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99.5% of most of the music we listen comes from the "Blues" and the biggest artists the world has known have always ripped so called black music off and many have "Tipped" their hat ?? and all "Elvis" was a white version of so called " Coloured " music that was deemed not acceptable to the white listener so...
The only thing now is we are far more aware of it or we seem to be but think most coloured people are more upset about their general treatment than what the "Bieber" might think looks cool or might "Play" right with his fans ??  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I often see people using this term when they don’t actually grasp what it means.
If you’re taking a cultural aspect and using it with respect and in the correct context, that’s not cultural appropriation.
If you’re wearing a sari around Tesco when you’re not south Asian, that’s cultural appropriation. "
I'd understand if that objection was based in religion or ritual and was raised by a South Asian!
Too often complaints like this are raised by someone totally unconnected who is crusading, unbidden, on behalf of others.
If all cultures felt comfortable sharing and celebrating other cultures dress and customs, wouldn't that encourage a more positive view of others? Culturally specific appearance is the first thing to be targeted by bigots, point out how different we look.
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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"I often see people using this term when they don’t actually grasp what it means.
If you’re taking a cultural aspect and using it with respect and in the correct context, that’s not cultural appropriation.
If you’re wearing a sari around Tesco when you’re not south Asian, that’s cultural appropriation.
I'd understand if that objection was based in religion or ritual and was raised by a South Asian!
Too often complaints like this are raised by someone totally unconnected who is crusading, unbidden, on behalf of others.
If all cultures felt comfortable sharing and celebrating other cultures dress and customs, wouldn't that encourage a more positive view of others? Culturally specific appearance is the first thing to be targeted by bigots, point out how different we look.
Sad times."
I see your point but often these concerns are raised by the minority groups but are either ignored or shouted down using a similar argument to yours.
It would be great if cultures were more blended but that also includes respecting the places and meaning behind those aspect of the culture being used. Using a ceremonial dress to sit in the pub or having a statue of Ganesh because it looks cool and you like elephants isn’t blending cultures and it’s seen as insulting by the people that hold those things in deference. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I often see people using this term when they don’t actually grasp what it means.
If you’re taking a cultural aspect and using it with respect and in the correct context, that’s not cultural appropriation.
If you’re wearing a sari around Tesco when you’re not south Asian, that’s cultural appropriation.
I'd understand if that objection was based in religion or ritual and was raised by a South Asian!
Too often complaints like this are raised by someone totally unconnected who is crusading, unbidden, on behalf of others.
If all cultures felt comfortable sharing and celebrating other cultures dress and customs, wouldn't that encourage a more positive view of others? Culturally specific appearance is the first thing to be targeted by bigots, point out how different we look.
Sad times.
I see your point but often these concerns are raised by the minority groups but are either ignored or shouted down using a similar argument to yours.
It would be great if cultures were more blended but that also includes respecting the places and meaning behind those aspect of the culture being used. Using a ceremonial dress to sit in the pub or having a statue of Ganesh because it looks cool and you like elephants isn’t blending cultures and it’s seen as insulting by the people that hold those things in deference. "
Absolutely, but familiarity has to be the starting point to start that blending. The hostility to that sharing often causes an increase in antipathy, and then more hostility.
If any culture or society wants to be integrated into others, it has to be prepared for the demarcation to be less than perfect. In this case, how is the Biebs have dreadlocks harming anyone? Is he celebrating Jamaican culture or music? Is he just a twunt who wanted a new haircut and didn't think about it in any detail? Who knows.
The more 'we' enforce separation and highlight differences, the longer it will take for people to see and treat everyone equally. |
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I had several sarong kebaya made for me as gifts when I was in Malaysia. I frequently wore them when I got back here as evening wear. They look gorgeous. I still have them and I'd wear them now but they seem to have shrunk in storage...I wore sari several times too especially to my friends weddings.
I wasn't trying to appropriate anybody's culture. I don't see how you can ask people to integrate on one hand while accusing people of cultural appropriation on the other. |
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"I often see people using this term when they don’t actually grasp what it means.
If you’re taking a cultural aspect and using it with respect and in the correct context, that’s not cultural appropriation.
If you’re wearing a sari around Tesco when you’re not south Asian, that’s cultural appropriation.
I'd understand if that objection was based in religion or ritual and was raised by a South Asian!
Too often complaints like this are raised by someone totally unconnected who is crusading, unbidden, on behalf of others.
If all cultures felt comfortable sharing and celebrating other cultures dress and customs, wouldn't that encourage a more positive view of others? Culturally specific appearance is the first thing to be targeted by bigots, point out how different we look.
Sad times.
I see your point but often these concerns are raised by the minority groups but are either ignored or shouted down using a similar argument to yours.
It would be great if cultures were more blended but that also includes respecting the places and meaning behind those aspect of the culture being used. Using a ceremonial dress to sit in the pub or having a statue of Ganesh because it looks cool and you like elephants isn’t blending cultures and it’s seen as insulting by the people that hold those things in deference.
Absolutely, but familiarity has to be the starting point to start that blending. The hostility to that sharing often causes an increase in antipathy, and then more hostility.
If any culture or society wants to be integrated into others, it has to be prepared for the demarcation to be less than perfect. In this case, how is the Biebs have dreadlocks harming anyone? Is he celebrating Jamaican culture or music? Is he just a twunt who wanted a new haircut and didn't think about it in any detail? Who knows.
The more 'we' enforce separation and highlight differences, the longer it will take for people to see and treat everyone equally."
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Did Faye Tozer face the same accusations when she had them many moons ago as a member of Steps?
I find the whole subject and everything that goes with culture and race a really confusing one and have learnt that if you ask questions you're ignorant for not already knowing the answers and part of the systemic problem, and if you don't ask questions you're ignorant for not showing an interest or concern and part of the systemic problem.
It's little wonder people are giving up and not wanting to get involved, but then you get accused of not giving a shit. As far as I'm concerned it's the media creating issues and fuelling fires. It's the media sharing things that burn bridges instead of building them.
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"Did Faye Tozer face the same accusations when she had them many moons ago as a member of Steps?
I find the whole subject and everything that goes with culture and race a really confusing one and have learnt that if you ask questions you're ignorant for not already knowing the answers and part of the systemic problem, and if you don't ask questions you're ignorant for not showing an interest or concern and part of the systemic problem.
It's little wonder people are giving up and not wanting to get involved, but then you get accused of not giving a shit. As far as I'm concerned it's the media creating issues and fuelling fires. It's the media sharing things that burn bridges instead of building them.
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"Did Faye Tozer face the same accusations when she had them many moons ago as a member of Steps?
I find the whole subject and everything that goes with culture and race a really confusing one and have learnt that if you ask questions you're ignorant for not already knowing the answers and part of the systemic problem, and if you don't ask questions you're ignorant for not showing an interest or concern and part of the systemic problem.
It's little wonder people are giving up and not wanting to get involved, but then you get accused of not giving a shit. As far as I'm concerned it's the media creating issues and fuelling fires. It's the media sharing things that burn bridges instead of building them.
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Absolutely. A perfect Catch 22 scenario |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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Most of the time these issues become issues because the media explodes a mole hill in to a mountain because of what the minority of a minority are shouting about.
One one hand we live in a world of "live your life how you want, be who you want to be, dress how you want to dress, do what makes you happy" and then on the other you have people telling you that you can't do this or that because it's racist, or sexist, or homophobic, or wrong, or immoral, or offensive...
It is contradictory is what it is. And it can fuck right off.
Do the former! But be respectful with your choice of methods of appreciation to other cultures. Know the background of your choices. Don't try to take ownership or pass it's origins off as something they are not.
We need more merging of cultures, while still keeping the heart of individual cultures alive.
All this bullshit does is divide even more and drives home the incentive that we shouldn't care about other cultures.
Its not black face, its not done as a joke or to mock, it is because the person likes the style or look or lifestyle and wants to incorporate it in to their life. |
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In my opinion, cultural appropriation is about intent rather than use.
Everyone should be free to adopt and use aspects of other cultures that they enjoy. That is how society and cultures develop.
However, if you take an aspect of a different culture with an intent to profit and potentially deny someone from that culture an income, that is cultural appropriation.
As for Justin Bieber's hair, I couldn't give and fewer fucks. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"I often see people using this term when they don’t actually grasp what it means.
If you’re taking a cultural aspect and using it with respect and in the correct context, that’s not cultural appropriation.
If you’re wearing a sari around Tesco when you’re not south Asian, that’s cultural appropriation. "
What about wearing a muumuu around Waitrose?
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"According to reports. His new hairstyle is cultural appropriation if there is just a thing. In Essex Tom's view anyone who thinks like that is part of a problem and not the solution. A hairstyle is not a Melton Mowbray pork pie with regional status although to be fair Tom has seen some people with hair like pork pies perched on their heads.. "
Well we are fucked in England then as our entire history is built upon other cultures.
I don't get the issue tbh. Seems like just another thing to be offended by.
As long as people aren't trying to deny the history, and cultural relevance of things, then I've no problem with it. |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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"I often see people using this term when they don’t actually grasp what it means.
If you’re taking a cultural aspect and using it with respect and in the correct context, that’s not cultural appropriation.
If you’re wearing a sari around Tesco when you’re not south Asian, that’s cultural appropriation.
What about wearing a muumuu around Waitrose?
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I’ll have to check with the official muumuu wearers council  |
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"I often see people using this term when they don’t actually grasp what it means.
If you’re taking a cultural aspect and using it with respect and in the correct context, that’s not cultural appropriation.
If you’re wearing a sari around Tesco when you’re not south Asian, that’s cultural appropriation. "
Can only American people wear Wranglers and then only for manual labour? If I wanted to wear a sari, so long as I wore it "properly", I should be able to. It's a garment. My Dad and son are not Jewish, but they had to wear kippahs to enter the Jewish cemetery where our family are buried. These were provided by the caretaker of the cemetery. They wouldn't presume to wear one outside that context but those are items with very specific religious significance. A sari is not a religious item, it's an item of clothing. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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" 99.5% of most of the music we listen comes from the "Blues" and the biggest artists the world has known have always ripped so called black music off and many have "Tipped" their hat ?? and all "Elvis" was a white version of so called " Coloured " music that was deemed not acceptable to the white listener so...
The only thing now is we are far more aware of it or we seem to be but think most coloured people are more upset about their general treatment than what the "Bieber" might think looks cool or might "Play" right with his fans ?? "
Elvis… the Beatles… the stones…. |
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"It's just hair.. how can anyone be offended by a hairstyle?"
When I look back at some of the hairstyles I had when I was a kid I feel very offended . When I was 8 my dad invested in a pair of hairdressers scissors |
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