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over a year ago
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"I am not sure, but I think they do cos it seems that, if you dont give it they seem disapointed even tho a service charge is included. I most of the time do give them a tip  "
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I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. "
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server"
So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors? |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors?"
They earn more....chill your boots |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If the service is good you tip the server
So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors?
Yesterday my mum tried to tip a vetinary nurse £20 but she wouldn't accept it"
Wow. I’m not allowed to accept tips but there’s ways  |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server"
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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I always give waiters a tip, usually if you want to know the time simply go down to Argos and buy a cheap watch and hey presto when you get the till receipt the time should be on there. |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do"
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? "
Because of the relevants to the thread  |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Chill your boots "
I’m very chilled. Appreciate the concern there |
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
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This has been a contentious issue for decades; if the service has been good you should leave a gratuity, a tip, directly to the server.
Service charges are very frequently not passed onto the staff.
In the US, servers depend on tips, which encourages but does not guarantee good service.
Frankly, this status quo is very unlikely to change!
In my opinion service charges are a nonsense and cause confusion. They should be removed from restaurant bills.
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Chill your boots
I’m very chilled. Appreciate the concern there "
So was the lady you said it to. |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Chill your boots
I’m very chilled. Appreciate the concern there
So was the lady you said it to. "
Eh? So who’s the one to chill. You have failed to get your point across |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread "
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here) |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Chill your boots
I’m very chilled. Appreciate the concern there "
Yes. This... .... implies ultra chillness |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)"
So you aren’t serving customers face to face. |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Chill your boots
I’m very chilled. Appreciate the concern there
So was the lady you said it to.
Eh? So who’s the one to chill. You have failed to get your point across "
Haha, failed, how can I ever recover from this comeback. Laters dude, I’ve gotta go and wait some tables X |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face. "
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish? 
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"I am not sure, but I think they do cos it seems that, if you dont give it they seem disapointed even tho a service charge is included. I most of the time do give them a tip m
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Not at all, as it is intetesting to see what others thinks about it too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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This is something I really don't understand and I'm guilty of it myself too . We as a nation tip those that provide the non necessary services to us .... takeaway delivery, waiters , taxi drivers , we even tell shopkeepers to 'keep the change'. However people that provide us crucial and essential services get overlooked when it comes to tips  |
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"I tip at restaurants if I feel it’s deserved. I also tip cab drivers and takeaway delivery people.
Do you tip hairdressers and nail technicians ?"
My hairdresser I do. Nails every now and then as I have them done every 2 weeks so I don’t do it every time. |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff? "
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you |
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I tip waiting staff unless the service is awful. It's also pretty common around here to tip bar staff, more than I've noticed elsewhere anyway. I tip my hairdresser too and friendly taxi drivers. Also food delivery people. Especially those who work for uber/deliveroo. It never feels expected but is always appreciated and some of these professions are poorly paid for what they do. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. "
Yes. I also heard that it might not all of the time being passed along to all the employers, like the chefs in the restaurants and cafes, few that we know who is a waiter, at the end if the day they all divide the tips up equally |
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"I tip at restaurants if I feel it’s deserved. I also tip cab drivers and takeaway delivery people. "
I do this too, but weirdly it doesn't occur to me to tip my supermarket delivery driver.
I think it's because I know Ocado are paying their drivers a reasonable rate, but I suspect my local takeaway may not be. |
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"I tip at restaurants if I feel it’s deserved. I also tip cab drivers and takeaway delivery people.
I do this too, but weirdly it doesn't occur to me to tip my supermarket delivery driver.
I think it's because I know Ocado are paying their drivers a reasonable rate, but I suspect my local takeaway may not be."
That’s true. I don’t either! |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you"
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive? |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive? "
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway "
To be fair I don’t think she’s coming across as angry. She raises some good points. Why do we only tip certain jobs? I don’t really know. It’s just something I’ve always done. Was always the “done thing” I guess. |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway "
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR  . |
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"In a hospitality environment, if I feel the service has been good then I tip.
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Hell yeah. A sign of simple appreciation towards another. Especially knowing they work unsociable hours and paid pennies |
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"In a hospitality environment, if I feel the service has been good then I tip.
Hell yeah. A sign of simple appreciation towards another. Especially knowing they work unsociable hours and paid pennies"
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR . "
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By *yron69Man
over a year ago
Fareham |
You probably tip for service and the quality of the meal. The waiter didn’t cook the meal so tips given to waiting staff should be divided up among the restaurant staff. In my experience that happens but cash tips can be pocketed by the waiter. The kitchen weighs heavily on waiters to ensure the meal is delivered up perfectly to consumer. Woe betide if it isn’t. |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway "
Where did I say manager? And again, what's that got to do with the price of fish?
So what is it in my conversational style so you find aggressive exactly?
Also, you didn't answer wether you tipped retail staff seeing as they also serve people face to face? |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember "
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over a year ago
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
The what? "
Guess, back on to the actual topic. Your answer is no. You don’t tip... |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
I always tip if it’s earned and remove the service charge If its not worth it or any issue and if it’s just average usually just pay the service charge but not always. Most people just pay it without question
It’s optional but if undecided ask the waiter /waitress if they get them , and if they are paid well as sine use it to subsidise low pay
My daughter is temping in a fairly fancy place and makes salary basic plus tips , bonus and overtime over 48 hours. Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. She makes around £500 a month in tips but it’s all taxed. Most people just pay the service and also tip |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember "
How come it's not true? |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
The what?
Guess, back on to the actual topic. Your answer is no. You don’t tip..."
I actually covered this further up the thread 
Also... The thread is do waiters expect tips... Not do customers tip.
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
How come it's not true? "
You really that bored? Drop it and try and be civil |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
How come it's not true? "
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
Where did I say manager? And again, what's that got to do with the price of fish?
So what is it in my conversational style so you find aggressive exactly?
Also, you didn't answer wether you tipped retail staff seeing as they also serve people face to face? "
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
How come it's not true?
You really that bored? Drop it and try and be civil"
Ahhh I see a pattern here. Ask a question of you and be accused of being aggressive and uncivil..... Interesting. |
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over a year ago
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
How come it's not true?
You really that bored? Drop it and try and be civil
Ahhh I see a pattern here. Ask a question of you and be accused of being aggressive and uncivil..... Interesting. "
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
Where did I say manager? And again, what's that got to do with the price of fish?
So what is it in my conversational style so you find aggressive exactly?
Also, you didn't answer wether you tipped retail staff seeing as they also serve people face to face?
Way back in my first job when I worked in retail, we weren't allowed to take tips. We could be sacked for it."
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. "
Because that is part of total reward for the job they do just like some have bonus, overtime and final salary pension and some don’t. Often if you work as a bar or restaurant manager you dont get tips or overtime but your staff do and often people in kitchens don’t get the tips and are paid less than waiters, each job is different |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
How come it's not true?
You really that bored? Drop it and try and be civil"
I'm just curious because I googled it an it actually sounds like something that would come under HR. Though it doesn't seem to be her job from her comments. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"Why does the card machine get 2.5% ? There isn't a service charge added when I use my card to buy a bus ticket or newspaper. "
Exactly , but it’s common to include if service now if you have a sharp accountant |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
How come it's not true?
You really that bored? Drop it and try and be civil
I'm just curious because I googled it an it actually sounds like something that would come under HR. Though it doesn't seem to be her job from her comments. "
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I always leave a tip and always give it to the server personally.
Love eating out and the staff generally work hard to make it a nice experience for their customers, last restaurant I went to with my sons the Waitress was lovely, nothing was too much trouble and she was still happy after working a stupidly long shift, we gave her a £30 tip at the end.
Restaurant work is exhausting. with unsociable hours and often the staff work long hours for minimum wage which can be pittance depending on their ages. They are very often students as well so why not tip?
And no I don't get tips in my job, neither do I expect it because I get paid pretty well for what I do and I am not customer facing. It's about recognising someone's efforts because they are working hard for us to have a good time
And yes I also tip my hairdresser and my Mechanic
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?"
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips |
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By *mmixtapeCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors?"
Because we dont have a privatised health care system and most people aren't in the position to tip a doctor or nurse enough money to make an impact to them. Servers get paid usually about £9 an hour, doctors and nurses thankfully get paid just a little more than that (although some studies suggest it's actually less than this with overtime) but that are also in a job roll where you don't take out your wallet to pay for their service, we have health care covered for that.
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips "
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors?
Because we dont have a privatised health care system and most people aren't in the position to tip a doctor or nurse enough money to make an impact to them. Servers get paid usually about £9 an hour, doctors and nurses thankfully get paid just a little more than that (although some studies suggest it's actually less than this with overtime) but that are also in a job roll where you don't take out your wallet to pay for their service, we have health care covered for that.
It's a bit of a silly comparison really"
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Most places I go to will have a table cover or 10-15% but then you have to think - was the service good? Attentive yet friendly?
Too many feel like they have to do things. Don’t tip unless you’re happy with the service, this isn’t USA where they survive off tips.
Service is good & hits the spot then I’ll normally go 20% - food allowance on company CC |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. "
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
The what?
Guess, back on to the actual topic. Your answer is no. You don’t tip...
I actually covered this further up the thread
Also... The thread is do waiters expect tips... Not do customers tip.
You can ignore my retail staff question. I've a busy day of HR'ing to get to. "
I completely missed the point of the thread
I'd say they they have expectations...depending on where they work.
Thinking about it, I've never tipped anyone who works in a cafe and I was never tipped when I worked in one, so had no expectations of one.
Have a good day HRing
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
Because that is part of total reward for the job they do just like some have bonus, overtime and final salary pension and some don’t. Often if you work as a bar or restaurant manager you dont get tips or overtime but your staff do and often people in kitchens don’t get the tips and are paid less than waiters, each job is different "
Again.... Devils advocate here. All employers now need to offer workplace pensions, although they may not be final salary (probably should know this working in HR ) and while I understand all jobs are different we as a country have national minimum wages set at different levels depending on your age so it is possible to argue that relying on tips should not be necessary |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
Because that is part of total reward for the job they do just like some have bonus, overtime and final salary pension and some don’t. Often if you work as a bar or restaurant manager you dont get tips or overtime but your staff do and often people in kitchens don’t get the tips and are paid less than waiters, each job is different
Again.... Devils advocate here. All employers now need to offer workplace pensions, although they may not be final salary (probably should know this working in HR ) and while I understand all jobs are different we as a country have national minimum wages set at different levels depending on your age so it is possible to argue that relying on tips should not be necessary "
Maybe look up if waiting staff are taxed on expected amount of tips...and realise they are and taxed on that amount....not a HR person |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more "
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. "
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
Because that is part of total reward for the job they do just like some have bonus, overtime and final salary pension and some don’t. Often if you work as a bar or restaurant manager you dont get tips or overtime but your staff do and often people in kitchens don’t get the tips and are paid less than waiters, each job is different
Again.... Devils advocate here. All employers now need to offer workplace pensions, although they may not be final salary (probably should know this working in HR ) and while I understand all jobs are different we as a country have national minimum wages set at different levels depending on your age so it is possible to argue that relying on tips should not be necessary
Maybe look up if waiting staff are taxed on expected amount of tips...and realise they are and taxed on that amount....not a HR person"
Why so aggressive? Chill your boots.
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By *mmixtapeCouple
over a year ago
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So just to break it down
Service charge goes to the company, it doesn't go to the staff.
If I'm paid £9 an hour and I've been clearing your table throughout the night, say you've been there two hours. If you tip me (and tell me to specifically keep it) then you're increasing the money I end up with.
If you are there for 2 hours and spend 100 quid, the two of you throw in a fiver each as a tip for the server, then you've just doubled my hourly rate and I'll probably go cry out of happiness. For servers their tips are often the difference between walking, a taxi or the bus, it's the difference between being at your bosses beck and call for overtime and having a little more agency because your income is improved from where it was.
A lot of servers have been out of work for like a year? Year and a few months? These people are often made up with young people, your 18-25 bracket, the guys who normally are in education or balancing a couple of jobs. Now they are having to do their job but work harder to make sure your safe as well as satisfied.
Honestly, even if it's just a couple quid that you'd normally use for the parking, leave the tip.
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
Because that is part of total reward for the job they do just like some have bonus, overtime and final salary pension and some don’t. Often if you work as a bar or restaurant manager you dont get tips or overtime but your staff do and often people in kitchens don’t get the tips and are paid less than waiters, each job is different
Again.... Devils advocate here. All employers now need to offer workplace pensions, although they may not be final salary (probably should know this working in HR ) and while I understand all jobs are different we as a country have national minimum wages set at different levels depending on your age so it is possible to argue that relying on tips should not be necessary "
Unfortunately in hospitality they often get away with not doing so. There's a lot of dodgy practice. My partner was once getting payslips which showed tax and NI deductions but only realised when trying to get a statement from HMRC for proof of address for the bank that he wasn't actually registered as a PAYE employee and they weren't paying his taxes despite taking them off him. He also never had a pension from any of the restaurants he worked in. Its some of the reasons he ended up joining me in the NHS. |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
Because that is part of total reward for the job they do just like some have bonus, overtime and final salary pension and some don’t. Often if you work as a bar or restaurant manager you dont get tips or overtime but your staff do and often people in kitchens don’t get the tips and are paid less than waiters, each job is different
Again.... Devils advocate here. All employers now need to offer workplace pensions, although they may not be final salary (probably should know this working in HR ) and while I understand all jobs are different we as a country have national minimum wages set at different levels depending on your age so it is possible to argue that relying on tips should not be necessary
Maybe look up if waiting staff are taxed on expected amount of tips...and realise they are and taxed on that amount....not a HR person
Why so aggressive? Chill your boots."
You’ve said that before. Wasn’t then, aren’t now. Why do you think I am? Is this your goal? If so...I’d go to work as you won’t achieve it |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom"
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
Because that is part of total reward for the job they do just like some have bonus, overtime and final salary pension and some don’t. Often if you work as a bar or restaurant manager you dont get tips or overtime but your staff do and often people in kitchens don’t get the tips and are paid less than waiters, each job is different
Again.... Devils advocate here. All employers now need to offer workplace pensions, although they may not be final salary (probably should know this working in HR ) and while I understand all jobs are different we as a country have national minimum wages set at different levels depending on your age so it is possible to argue that relying on tips should not be necessary
Maybe look up if waiting staff are taxed on expected amount of tips...and realise they are and taxed on that amount....not a HR person
Why so aggressive? Chill your boots.
You’ve said that before. Wasn’t then, aren’t now. Why do you think I am? Is this your goal? If so...I’d go to work as you won’t achieve it"
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom"
Why should that be a stepping stone? Surely servers and kitchen staff deserve a wage that can actually live on, you know like living wage which I've never seen any hospitality place advertise |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. "
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"I tip at restaurants if I feel it’s deserved. I also tip cab drivers and takeaway delivery people. "
Cabbies can do one. Driving around at 20mph, taking back roads to go around in circles before dropping you off home half an hour later. The only tip I'd give them is to buy a sat-nav |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think"
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. "
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now |
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I tip waiters - I don't think too deeply about it.
If you resent it then don't.
I've worked in hospitality- it's an exhausting job - they usually deserve it.
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"I tip waiters - I don't think too deeply about it.
If you resent it then don't.
I've worked in hospitality- it's an exhausting job - they usually deserve it.
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now"
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP. "
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP. "
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I’m going to be the one that everybody loves to hate.
Generally I don’t tip.
I will tip if the person in question has gone out of their way to improve the experience for me. That could be going the extra mile to sort out a problem that they weren’t responsible for, for example.
Doing a good job is not sufficient for a tip, it is the bare minimum of what I expect in all jobs and walks of life. |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course "
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes? |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes? "
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face. "
Checkout stag serve customers face to face, and many of them are on the same minimum wage as restaurant staff.
Should they be tipped in that case? |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
Checkout stag serve customers face to face, and many of them are on the same minimum wage as restaurant staff.
Should they be tipped in that case?"
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd"
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes. "
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I used to work in a five star hotel as a server/waitress whilst at collage (so going back a fair few years now), I never expected a tip but if I got one in was always over the moon, if somone tried to add a tip to there card payment I used to tell them thankyou but you should keep your money as the hotel does not pay the tips to the staff which was true as shocking as that is. I think it's always nice to show appreciation of a server who has made your night a good one as it's hard work and very unsociable hours fir minimum wage, often there is no incentive like time and a half for starting your shift at 5am or staying on till 1am or working sundays/bankhilidays etc |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well.
What do you do
Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff?
Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff? "
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Never once got a tip. Never once expected one.
I did a good job and treated customers well, because it was my job and I took pride in doing it well. |
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If there's a service charge added then generally, I wouldn't tip but if the service is very good then why not add a few quid? If there's no service charge, and the service has been good, then I will always tip generously. A lot of the staff are young, on minimum wage, earning a bit of pocket money or supporting themselves through Uni so I'm happy to reward good service.
Frankly, dining out with non-tippers is awkward and embarrassing and I don't understand how people can have such a mindset and enjoy going out to dine. What a miserable way of existing! Lighten up, be polite to your server, tip them well and you'll go home in a better mood. NB a "tip" is not rounding up to the nearest pound! 10% minimum. |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen? "
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly. |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly. "
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then. "
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off. "
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Il tip if the actual food was really good, If the food is average then I don’t... Don’t think anyone needs a tip for just taking a order and bringing it to my table. They get paid to do that.
I also won’t tip extra if the charge is already added to the bill.
I’d never tip a delivery driver though as I always pay a delivery fee in the first place due to my location and I don’t tip taxi drivers either.
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day"
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day"
Being a chef I can confirm KPs are a lifeline in a kitchen. Paid minimal and expected to do more than a chef might get paid for at times. |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
I know what a kitchen porter is. Why do you think I don't? "
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day"
Beacaue all jobs stick to a job description at all times. No boss ever has gotten a lower paid member of staff to do the work of a more expensive member of staff for no extra money or a fraction of the pay difference..... I love your little world  so black and white. |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
Beacaue all jobs stick to a job description at all times. No boss ever has gotten a lower paid member of staff to do the work of a more expensive member of staff for no extra money or a fraction of the pay difference..... I love your little world so black and white. "
Someone in HR trying up job roles and descriptions should think. |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
I know what a kitchen porter is. Why do you think I don't?
The fact you asked that question. Cya lady. It’s been entertaining but now it’s just lame"
Right so the fact I'm asking you to clarify why YOU think I don't know what a KP is means that I don't know what a KP is. This conversation is hilarious. |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
I know what a kitchen porter is. Why do you think I don't?
The fact you asked that question. Cya lady. It’s been entertaining but now it’s just lame
Right so the fact I'm asking you to clarify why YOU think I don't know what a KP is means that I don't know what a KP is. This conversation is hilarious. "
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
Beacaue all jobs stick to a job description at all times. No boss ever has gotten a lower paid member of staff to do the work of a more expensive member of staff for no extra money or a fraction of the pay difference..... I love your little world so black and white.
Someone in HR trying up job roles and descriptions should think. "
Pardon?
I know exactly how job roles and job descriptions work and the clever little 'ad hoc duties as required' statements are put to work by different companies.
I also know that for a lot of companies temp cover roles only receive a ‰ increase on a person's salary and do not equal the full time equivalent of the role they are covering.
But you're right. I should think. Everyone should. Even you |
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
Beacaue all jobs stick to a job description at all times. No boss ever has gotten a lower paid member of staff to do the work of a more expensive member of staff for no extra money or a fraction of the pay difference..... I love your little world so black and white.
Someone in HR trying up job roles and descriptions should think.
Pardon?
I know exactly how job roles and job descriptions work and the clever little 'ad hoc duties as required' statements are put to work by different companies.
I also know that for a lot of companies temp cover roles only receive a ‰ increase on a person's salary and do not equal the full time equivalent of the role they are covering.
But you're right. I should think. Everyone should. Even you "
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine.
So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?
No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips
My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage.
Kitchen staff are paid more
I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal.
Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom
Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef.
From a Porter? You think
I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair.
So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now
Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
I know what a kitchen porter is. Why do you think I don't?
The fact you asked that question. Cya lady. It’s been entertaining but now it’s just lame
Right so the fact I'm asking you to clarify why YOU think I don't know what a KP is means that I don't know what a KP is. This conversation is hilarious.
I did. You missed the key point. "
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"So just to break it down
Service charge goes to the company, it doesn't go to the staff.
If I'm paid £9 an hour and I've been clearing your table throughout the night, say you've been there two hours. If you tip me (and tell me to specifically keep it) then you're increasing the money I end up with.
If you are there for 2 hours and spend 100 quid, the two of you throw in a fiver each as a tip for the server, then you've just doubled my hourly rate and I'll probably go cry out of happiness. For servers their tips are often the difference between walking, a taxi or the bus, it's the difference between being at your bosses beck and call for overtime and having a little more agency because your income is improved from where it was.
A lot of servers have been out of work for like a year? Year and a few months? These people are often made up with young people, your 18-25 bracket, the guys who normally are in education or balancing a couple of jobs. Now they are having to do their job but work harder to make sure your safe as well as satisfied.
Honestly, even if it's just a couple quid that you'd normally use for the parking, leave the tip.
It also makes you look like a really nice person in front of any potential dates. "
They stroke your service charge?? I'd find somewhere new. Worked in several places for hospitality never seen a company steal a service charge |
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"At Christmas people tip refuse collectors and newspaper deliverers. Anyone else ?"
I don't tend to tip the binnies because it's a private contract for emptying the bins in the flats, which is a weird distinction to make but that's how my head works!
I do tip the cleaner and caretaker at Christmas, and although I don't regularly tip the staff at my normal coffee places (I pay contactless most days) I do drop a reasonable amount in the jar at the end of November/beginning of December.
When I had dogs I always tipped the dog groomer at Christmas, though I didn't tip on other visits.
The more I think about the whole thing the more weird I'm finding my behaviour! |
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Some seem to have an expectation or sense of entitlement, that's for sure.
It bothers me that beer gardens are open and pubs have suddenly started to apply service charge, as there's no other option to be served. |
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It depends and I do typically, depending on the service level. I'll often ask them how service charges and tips get shared and a lot of unscrupulous companies abused their staff and customers' trust in the past.
I like to tip in bars too. |
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I tip my hairdresser and waiting on staff. But not if the service was bad.
I also tip housekeeping when I'm on holiday abroad, as I assume they're not paid well.
I will ask for the service charge, if added to my bill, to be removed & I will then give a tip directly to my wait staff, as I believe if it goes through the till, they will be taxed on the tips.
I've never even considered the chef before, but for me it's the waiting on staff that make a visit pleasant.
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"Some seem to have an expectation or sense of entitlement, that's for sure.
It bothers me that beer gardens are open and pubs have suddenly started to apply service charge, as there's no other option to be served."
I think I'm right in saying that you don't have to pay a service charge that's automatically added on. |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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Expecting is a very loaded word.
A tip is a cash gift given, usually if a server has given you good service. No server will ever expect it, however if they’ve worked hard and done their job well, then it’s only fair to tip them.
The service industry is tough, the work is hard and the pay is crap, why not show your appreciation of them facilitating your good time and looking after you well? |
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"I am not sure, but I think they do cos it seems that, if you dont give it they seem disapointed even tho a service charge is included. I most of the time do give them a tip "
Generally not in MaccyD but I do in KFC |
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Maybe they put their heart into the service and had a small hope to get little extra or maybe they struggle financially..
Its OK to be disappointed. You can empathise with it. You can be bothered about it. You pick. |
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"Expecting is a very loaded word.
A tip is a cash gift given, usually if a server has given you good service. No server will ever expect it, however if they’ve worked hard and done their job well, then it’s only fair to tip them.
The service industry is tough, the work is hard and the pay is crap, why not show your appreciation of them facilitating your good time and looking after you well?"
An alternative view may be, that by giving a tip you are in effect, subsidising that business.
They don’t pay a decent wage because the staff can ‘make it up’ with tips.
By tipping, are you not then complicit in the perpetuation of low wages within this industry?
Just another angle. |
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Right then....
Waitress here
Do I expect tips? No.
Do they mean the difference between me walking 3 miles home from work at midnight or being able to get a taxi safely because the buses have clocked off? Absolutely.
People don't realise the lengths we go to to keep people happy. Often getting bladder infections because just when we think we've got time for a quick wee, the table you just asked if they needed anything and they said no, have now remembered something, or knocked a drink over, anything, everything can come between a waiter and the toilet. Breaks? If it's quiet we get sent on unpaid breaks. So yeah, might be in the building but not earning, might have the time to eat, but now not the money coz I'm not getting paid.
If it's busy, no break. Simple as that.
Our place doesn't add a service charge.
We got to decide how we wanted to work our tips out fairly, so in my place we do it like this.
If you work a day shift, you put a quid of tips made in for the kitchen.
If you work a night shift you put 2 quid of tips made in for the kitchen.
Every couple of months they split the kitchen tips out between kitchen staff.
The other thing people don't see is the huge tensions between kitchen staff and waiting staff. I've paid for peoples meals out my own pocket before because I've said yes to something which should in theory be OK (item swaps) but the kitchen have refused and I've had to pay for a full meal with the swapped item on it to cover the stock.
If we waste drinks by knocking over, dropping, mispouring, mishearing an order etc, we pay for them out of our own pocket, at full price not cost price.
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A couple of years ago I went to pizza express (I think). There was quite a few of us maybe 10 - 15. We had a good meal and the service was adequate.
Anyway when the bill came it was considerably more than we expected. A tip had already been added to the bill and was around £60. The waitress explained that the till automatically calculates a tip on the percentage of the total bill and we could decline it if we wished.
Needless to say we did decline it. I think my mate gave her a tenner or something out of embarrassment. No way I’m tipping someone £60 for adequate service though. |
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over a year ago
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"Expecting is a very loaded word.
A tip is a cash gift given, usually if a server has given you good service. No server will ever expect it, however if they’ve worked hard and done their job well, then it’s only fair to tip them.
The service industry is tough, the work is hard and the pay is crap, why not show your appreciation of them facilitating your good time and looking after you well?
An alternative view may be, that by giving a tip you are in effect, subsidising that business.
They don’t pay a decent wage because the staff can ‘make it up’ with tips.
By tipping, are you not then complicit in the perpetuation of low wages within this industry?
Just another angle. "
I worked in the industry for decades, that’s a real factor. Tips often help to keep servers near the living wage.
Large companies don’t care about paying well, not tipping isn’t teaching them a lesson, it just hurts the servers |
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What I will say though, is think about the kind of customer you are, or your group is. If you are using up a lot of the waiting staffs time, then that's time that they're unable to share between the rest of their tables. So now the other tables are unlikely to tip due to feeling forgotten about.
The main reason you'll be receiving what you may consider inadequate service is because there's a table being inconsiderate.
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"A couple of years ago I went to pizza express (I think). There was quite a few of us maybe 10 - 15. We had a good meal and the service was adequate.
Anyway when the bill came it was considerably more than we expected. A tip had already been added to the bill and was around £60. The waitress explained that the till automatically calculates a tip on the percentage of the total bill and we could decline it if we wished.
Needless to say we did decline it. I think my mate gave her a tenner or something out of embarrassment. No way I’m tipping someone £60 for adequate service though."
If we go with the top end then £60 between 15 is only £4 a person which I don't think is that unreasonable personally. If its 10 people then maybe a £6 tip each is a bit much but depends how much you've ordered and how long you've been there. If I go somewhere and stay at the table for ages after just ordering more drinks I'll tip more as I'm preventing them from getting more tips by seating a new group. |
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"A couple of years ago I went to pizza express (I think). There was quite a few of us maybe 10 - 15. We had a good meal and the service was adequate.
Anyway when the bill came it was considerably more than we expected. A tip had already been added to the bill and was around £60. The waitress explained that the till automatically calculates a tip on the percentage of the total bill and we could decline it if we wished.
Needless to say we did decline it. I think my mate gave her a tenner or something out of embarrassment. No way I’m tipping someone £60 for adequate service though."
If your group spent a lot of time goosing the waitress then 60 quid is about right. If they were entirely respectful and efficient and everyone remembered what they ordered then no it's way over the top. |
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"Right then....
Waitress here
Do I expect tips? No.
Do they mean the difference between me walking 3 miles home from work at midnight or being able to get a taxi safely because the buses have clocked off? Absolutely.
People don't realise the lengths we go to to keep people happy. Often getting bladder infections because just when we think we've got time for a quick wee, the table you just asked if they needed anything and they said no, have now remembered something, or knocked a drink over, anything, everything can come between a waiter and the toilet. Breaks? If it's quiet we get sent on unpaid breaks. So yeah, might be in the building but not earning, might have the time to eat, but now not the money coz I'm not getting paid.
If it's busy, no break. Simple as that.
Our place doesn't add a service charge.
We got to decide how we wanted to work our tips out fairly, so in my place we do it like this.
If you work a day shift, you put a quid of tips made in for the kitchen.
If you work a night shift you put 2 quid of tips made in for the kitchen.
Every couple of months they split the kitchen tips out between kitchen staff.
The other thing people don't see is the huge tensions between kitchen staff and waiting staff. I've paid for peoples meals out my own pocket before because I've said yes to something which should in theory be OK (item swaps) but the kitchen have refused and I've had to pay for a full meal with the swapped item on it to cover the stock.
If we waste drinks by knocking over, dropping, mispouring, mishearing an order etc, we pay for them out of our own pocket, at full price not cost price.
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I think you need to find a better employer as yours sounds shocking to be honest.
Wouldn’t it be easier to check with the kitchen staff first if you can substitute something instead of just saying yes ? |
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"A couple of years ago I went to pizza express (I think). There was quite a few of us maybe 10 - 15. We had a good meal and the service was adequate.
Anyway when the bill came it was considerably more than we expected. A tip had already been added to the bill and was around £60. The waitress explained that the till automatically calculates a tip on the percentage of the total bill and we could decline it if we wished.
Needless to say we did decline it. I think my mate gave her a tenner or something out of embarrassment. No way I’m tipping someone £60 for adequate service though."
I also think adding on a £60 tip is the company taking the mick. I wouldn’t pay £60 either. |
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"Right then....
Waitress here
Do I expect tips? No.
Do they mean the difference between me walking 3 miles home from work at midnight or being able to get a taxi safely because the buses have clocked off? Absolutely.
People don't realise the lengths we go to to keep people happy. Often getting bladder infections because just when we think we've got time for a quick wee, the table you just asked if they needed anything and they said no, have now remembered something, or knocked a drink over, anything, everything can come between a waiter and the toilet. Breaks? If it's quiet we get sent on unpaid breaks. So yeah, might be in the building but not earning, might have the time to eat, but now not the money coz I'm not getting paid.
If it's busy, no break. Simple as that.
Our place doesn't add a service charge.
We got to decide how we wanted to work our tips out fairly, so in my place we do it like this.
If you work a day shift, you put a quid of tips made in for the kitchen.
If you work a night shift you put 2 quid of tips made in for the kitchen.
Every couple of months they split the kitchen tips out between kitchen staff.
The other thing people don't see is the huge tensions between kitchen staff and waiting staff. I've paid for peoples meals out my own pocket before because I've said yes to something which should in theory be OK (item swaps) but the kitchen have refused and I've had to pay for a full meal with the swapped item on it to cover the stock.
If we waste drinks by knocking over, dropping, mispouring, mishearing an order etc, we pay for them out of our own pocket, at full price not cost price.
I think you need to find a better employer as yours sounds shocking to be honest.
Wouldn’t it be easier to check with the kitchen staff first if you can substitute something instead of just saying yes ?"
It was something that had been a yes previously when I had asked, this time the KM was working and he said no. Shit happens and yes, I should have checked again but I didn't. So I paid for it instead of looking like a cunt and messing a table about. I made the cock up, I took responsibility for it.
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"A couple of years ago I went to pizza express (I think). There was quite a few of us maybe 10 - 15. We had a good meal and the service was adequate.
Anyway when the bill came it was considerably more than we expected. A tip had already been added to the bill and was around £60. The waitress explained that the till automatically calculates a tip on the percentage of the total bill and we could decline it if we wished.
Needless to say we did decline it. I think my mate gave her a tenner or something out of embarrassment. No way I’m tipping someone £60 for adequate service though.
I also think adding on a £60 tip is the company taking the mick. I wouldn’t pay £60 either. "
Exactly. I seem to remember her saying something along the lines of she wasn’t bothered if we didn’t pay it as she doesn’t even get the money anyway. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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This is such an English conversation. Don’t be embarrassed to get the service charge removed or uncomfortable with no tip or a massive tip, just do what you want to do, there’s no rules and it’s your money. And if it’s rubbish, just refuse to pay |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors?"
It’s not seen to be the done thing to tip them but I delivered a card and a big box of chocolates and biscuits after a hospital stay. |
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on.
That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors?
It’s not seen to be the done thing to tip them but I delivered a card and a big box of chocolates and biscuits after a hospital stay."
Same here after my mum and da passed away. The staff had been lovely and it's a nice thing to do x |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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If the bill has automatically added a service charge I decline it, it's one of my bug bears in life! If I feel I have had good service from the waiter/tress I will leave a tip on the table, because I want that person to have it. I know in some places it doesn't work like that bit that's what I want to do.
Hairdressers ~ no, they charge a fortune as it is.
Food delivery drivers ~ sometimes
Taxi drivers ~ keep the change sort of thing. |
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"This is such an English conversation. Don’t be embarrassed to get the service charge removed or uncomfortable with no tip or a massive tip, just do what you want to do, there’s no rules and it’s your money. And if it’s rubbish, just refuse to pay "
What constitutes rubbish though? Some folks think not liking something they've ordered that they've not tried before is rubbish, when in fact it's simply not to their taste or they've not read the menu properly.
I've had people who's food has been unacceptable tip me due to the way I've handled the situation and them being hugely appreciative.
Yes there will be issues, people are human and not everything goes to plan 100% of the time.
It's bizarre the lengths people will go to not to pay.
I don't see people refusing to pay their Internet bill because it went down for a couple of hours, yet they'll try it in a restaurant coz their drink took longer to arrive than they expected coz the waitress needed the toilet.
Hence waiting staff not going to the toilet when they need to moat of the time.
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"This is such an English conversation. Don’t be embarrassed to get the service charge removed or uncomfortable with no tip or a massive tip, just do what you want to do, there’s no rules and it’s your money. And if it’s rubbish, just refuse to pay
What constitutes rubbish though? Some folks think not liking something they've ordered that they've not tried before is rubbish, when in fact it's simply not to their taste or they've not read the menu properly.
I've had people who's food has been unacceptable tip me due to the way I've handled the situation and them being hugely appreciative.
Yes there will be issues, people are human and not everything goes to plan 100% of the time.
It's bizarre the lengths people will go to not to pay.
I don't see people refusing to pay their Internet bill because it went down for a couple of hours, yet they'll try it in a restaurant coz their drink took longer to arrive than they expected coz the waitress needed the toilet.
Hence waiting staff not going to the toilet when they need to moat of the time.
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Some people are cheeky fuckers trying to not pay overall but if they have had to wait a lot longer for food then they should of then they shouldn’t feel the need to tip when the service hasn’t been up to scratch.
I tip if the food is nice. If the food is horrible or just average then I won’t. I don’t think you should have to tip anyway as you get paid to do your job in the first place.
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As someone who has worked in hospitality for way too long. I personally don’t expect tips from my guests. I do the job because I enjoy the job and appreciate anything I am given by a guest.
Although I will say attitudes of servers have changed over the years and I would say many expect it.
I will say yes it minimum pay, we are never guaranteed hours, while you may be scheduled 40 hrs at the beginning of the week doesn’t mean we will work those hours. More often you work less hours.
That is why often the servers have to depend on the tips to cover the short fall on there wages. And those tips left on the card payments will incur tax and national insurance deductions as well.
Since the increase in the contactless payments most servers have pretty much lost all the tips they once got as many people do not carry cash. |
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That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money.
If the service is good you tip the server
So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors?
It’s not seen to be the done thing to tip them but I delivered a card and a big box of chocolates and biscuits after a hospital stay."
They are not allowed to accept tips, something to with the ethics. That’s why people leave chocolates /biscuits |
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"This is such an English conversation. Don’t be embarrassed to get the service charge removed or uncomfortable with no tip or a massive tip, just do what you want to do, there’s no rules and it’s your money. And if it’s rubbish, just refuse to pay
What constitutes rubbish though? Some folks think not liking something they've ordered that they've not tried before is rubbish, when in fact it's simply not to their taste or they've not read the menu properly.
I've had people who's food has been unacceptable tip me due to the way I've handled the situation and them being hugely appreciative.
Yes there will be issues, people are human and not everything goes to plan 100% of the time.
It's bizarre the lengths people will go to not to pay.
I don't see people refusing to pay their Internet bill because it went down for a couple of hours, yet they'll try it in a restaurant coz their drink took longer to arrive than they expected coz the waitress needed the toilet.
Hence waiting staff not going to the toilet when they need to moat of the time.
Some people are cheeky fuckers trying to not pay overall but if they have had to wait a lot longer for food then they should of then they shouldn’t feel the need to tip when the service hasn’t been up to scratch.
I tip if the food is nice. If the food is horrible or just average then I won’t. I don’t think you should have to tip anyway as you get paid to do your job in the first place.
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I agree, nobody is saying you should tip, and it's not an expectation and I'm absolutely doing a job I'm being paid for.
I do personally go above and beyond what's expected of me and it would be appreciated if that's recognised, even if it's a slice of cake from a table who's celebrating a birthday, that kinda thought goes a long way.
I have regular tables that don't tip at all, but they do treat me with respect and that means loads to me. |
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"This is such an English conversation. Don’t be embarrassed to get the service charge removed or uncomfortable with no tip or a massive tip, just do what you want to do, there’s no rules and it’s your money. And if it’s rubbish, just refuse to pay
What constitutes rubbish though? Some folks think not liking something they've ordered that they've not tried before is rubbish, when in fact it's simply not to their taste or they've not read the menu properly.
I've had people who's food has been unacceptable tip me due to the way I've handled the situation and them being hugely appreciative.
Yes there will be issues, people are human and not everything goes to plan 100% of the time.
It's bizarre the lengths people will go to not to pay.
I don't see people refusing to pay their Internet bill because it went down for a couple of hours, yet they'll try it in a restaurant coz their drink took longer to arrive than they expected coz the waitress needed the toilet.
Hence waiting staff not going to the toilet when they need to moat of the time.
Some people are cheeky fuckers trying to not pay overall but if they have had to wait a lot longer for food then they should of then they shouldn’t feel the need to tip when the service hasn’t been up to scratch.
I tip if the food is nice. If the food is horrible or just average then I won’t. I don’t think you should have to tip anyway as you get paid to do your job in the first place.
I agree, nobody is saying you should tip, and it's not an expectation and I'm absolutely doing a job I'm being paid for.
I do personally go above and beyond what's expected of me and it would be appreciated if that's recognised, even if it's a slice of cake from a table who's celebrating a birthday, that kinda thought goes a long way.
I have regular tables that don't tip at all, but they do treat me with respect and that means loads to me."
The birthday cake thing I would 100% tip for. That is above and beyond. Specially if it was for my kid. Seeing my kid smile means more to me then me smiling.
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over a year ago
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I don't think I've ever seen a thread where a handful of people managed to use so many words to say so little to each other before. And if that's 'aggressive', gawd help you if you ever have to deal with any actual aggression!
But back on point, I tip if I feel it warrants it, a combination of the food, service, etc. I don't think the £60-worth of tips from 15 people would be excessive, if that's what it was. All of them deciding to put in a few Pounds. But to most people, although £60 isn't neccessarily a life-changing amount it is still a significant sum, and I think to add it to the bill, even if it is 'discretionary', will put people's backs up. |
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