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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
According to the news, Zimbabwe is trying to raise money by offering up to 50O elephants to be hunted and shot by big game hunters..
It's lucrative and stimulates the local economy...
Are there any hunters on fab?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some people may be thinking they are doing a good deed to hunt, whether it’s helping villagers by providing money. Or keeping the numbers down of certain animals.
I think whoever is able to get a shotgun and shoot these beautiful creatures must be absolutely soulless...
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it."
Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ?
I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure |
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over a year ago
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it.
Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ?
I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure "
I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting.. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it.
Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ?
I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure
I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting.."
Yes.. but surely they hunt then distribute the meat once the photos have been taken... |
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"There is a small fortune to be made here...it's a government initiative "
Yep and selling "licenses" for big game that are due to be "culled" because they are damaging the locals or eco systems...has gone on for years. Along with the local trackers and Hunter's who will help you find and shoot said beast. I don't know enough about it but something about sounds very very dodgy. |
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it.
Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ?
I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure "
The meat is given to the rangers and tribal elders and any tusks are destroyed to prevent poaching |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it.
Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ?
I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure
The meat is given to the rangers and tribal elders and any tusks are destroyed to prevent poaching "
Whole animal used then... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it.
Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ?
I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure
I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting..
Yes.. but surely they hunt then distribute the meat once the photos have been taken..."
I honestly couldn't say either way, it's the taking photos part and keeping trophy of the animal I don't understand though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"And who benefits? The people of Zimbabwe or the government? I’m going to say the government.
One elephant killed is one to many IMO.
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It is the main reason I will never put money into any foreign aid. It invariably goes into some rich dictators pocket or funds their criminal activities. |
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4 me the biggest crime 4 years as bin burning the ivory confiscated off poachers .the ivory should av bin sold through legitimate sources .the millions raised would av paid 4 better protection of the animals alive and 4 locals as well as education. U would av flooded the market with ivory so it wouldn't b in demand 4 poachers x |
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it.
Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ?
I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure
I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting..
Yes.. but surely they hunt then distribute the meat once the photos have been taken...
I honestly couldn't say either way, it's the taking photos part and keeping trophy of the animal I don't understand though."
Its the same as big game fishing, the battle and defeat of a worthy opponent, its been done for millennia. No I wouldn't do it but I understand the primal need some have in order to do it.
Now I'm not here to judge anyone that does it, but I wonder if we can have a sensible debate on this subject without it turning into a mud slinging match... |
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By *-man24Man
over a year ago
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That’s horrible news
I love all gods creatures don’t like killing anything apart from flies won’t kill spiders don’t mind them so they get evicted to the bottom of the garden sad news I love Elephants in fact I might get another year’s pass at Chester Zoo as they are struggling in this covid time we are all in |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it.
Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ?
I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure
I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting..
Yes.. but surely they hunt then distribute the meat once the photos have been taken...
I honestly couldn't say either way, it's the taking photos part and keeping trophy of the animal I don't understand though.
Its the same as big game fishing, the battle and defeat of a worthy opponent, its been done for millennia. No I wouldn't do it but I understand the primal need some have in order to do it.
Now I'm not here to judge anyone that does it, but I wonder if we can have a sensible debate on this subject without it turning into a mud slinging match..."
Yes, I see your point with that, and kind of get it. I'm not judging anyone for it, I've already had a message for mentioning I shooting/fish, I wasn't or didn't intend to seem if I starting a mud slinging match with anyone. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it.
Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ?
I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure
I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting..
Yes.. but surely they hunt then distribute the meat once the photos have been taken...
I honestly couldn't say either way, it's the taking photos part and keeping trophy of the animal I don't understand though.
Its the same as big game fishing, the battle and defeat of a worthy opponent, its been done for millennia. No I wouldn't do it but I understand the primal need some have in order to do it.
Now I'm not here to judge anyone that does it, but I wonder if we can have a sensible debate on this subject without it turning into a mud slinging match...
Yes, I see your point with that, and kind of get it. I'm not judging anyone for it, I've already had a message for mentioning I shooting/fish, I wasn't or didn't intend to seem if I starting a mud slinging match with anyone."
I once used to catch fish on a line with a rod.. I now think it's cruel and barbaric... |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Just checked the price £175 for me and me 2 bin lids bargain i think 
Blimey thats good value to shoot an elephant no membership for the zoo but you knew that I think "
Sorry...I thought maybe £175 was to shoot a small baby elephant maybe.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it.
Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ?
I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure
I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting..
Yes.. but surely they hunt then distribute the meat once the photos have been taken...
I honestly couldn't say either way, it's the taking photos part and keeping trophy of the animal I don't understand though.
Its the same as big game fishing, the battle and defeat of a worthy opponent, its been done for millennia. No I wouldn't do it but I understand the primal need some have in order to do it.
Now I'm not here to judge anyone that does it, but I wonder if we can have a sensible debate on this subject without it turning into a mud slinging match...
Yes, I see your point with that, and kind of get it. I'm not judging anyone for it, I've already had a message for mentioning I shooting/fish, I wasn't or didn't intend to seem if I starting a mud slinging match with anyone.
I once used to catch fish on a line with a rod.. I now think it's cruel and barbaric..."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i think the only time you should kill an animal is if its very sick or if its endangering people.
even then most times you can stun the beast and take it somewhere safe to release it. |
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By *an4funMan
over a year ago
london |
"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it.
Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ?
I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure
The meat is given to the rangers and tribal elders and any tusks are destroyed to prevent poaching
Whole animal used then..."
Why does anyone have the right to use any part of the animal. This planet can survive perfectly well without humans. Same can't be said about many other species. Really pisses me off when I hear about animals being killed for sport/fun. Then we get to see the "brave" hunter with their high powered rifle sitting and smiling next to their kill. Cunts! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it.
Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ?
I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure
The meat is given to the rangers and tribal elders and any tusks are destroyed to prevent poaching
Whole animal used then...
Why does anyone have the right to use any part of the animal. This planet can survive perfectly well without humans. Same can't be said about many other species. Really pisses me off when I hear about animals being killed for sport/fun. Then we get to see the "brave" hunter with their high powered rifle sitting and smiling next to their kill. Cunts!"
The world is overcrowded with humans.
Maybe we could have a few volunteers to be the hunted  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I won't go into the whole thing, it can be read about in full online, but there are some very valid reasons to keep the elephant, and other species, populations' at manageable levels. Sometimes sufficient quantities of food are not available for all the wildlife in a given area, through drought and pestilence. This leads to starvation and disease amongst these creatures which would decimate their numbers more than selective culling. Sometimes life is harsh. I'm not condoning hunting btw. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"According to the news, Zimbabwe is trying to raise money by offering up to 50O elephants to be hunted and shot by big game hunters..
It's lucrative and stimulates the local economy...
Are there any hunters on fab?
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Yasss
do you know a link to where they are selling them  |
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i have had the pleasure and fun of a safari in kenya. seeing all of the animals out there is far better than a zoo.
but people poach the animials.
animals will breed and over populate an area, thus causing damage and other problems.
so if someone is rich enough to provide money to help save animals then why not combine it with population control as well. |
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it."
Totally agree. I only fish for species which I am going to eat and rarely if ever catch anything else except under l sized fish of the targetted species.
I strongly disapprove of fishing to show the fish and other humans how skilled the angler is. I don't doubt the skill but imagine the outcry if people caught birds on baited hooks and played them on light tackle to enhance the sporting experience. Fly fishing for swallows, anyone, or worms for blackbirds?
Unlike birds, however, fish can't squawk so have to be assumed to enjoy the experience in the hope of being released from the confines of a keep net at the end of proceedings, which often include being cradled and photographed in an atmosphere very different from water.
Elderly carp must be totally pissed off with a lifetime of it!
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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago
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"According to the news, Zimbabwe is trying to raise money by offering up to 50O elephants to be hunted and shot by big game hunters..
It's lucrative and stimulates the local economy...
Are there any hunters on fab?
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Would need the full story before I would like to comment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Some people may be thinking they are doing a good deed to hunt, whether it’s helping villagers by providing money. Or keeping the numbers down of certain animals.
I think whoever is able to get a shotgun and shoot these beautiful creatures must be absolutely soulless...
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and just shows how clue less u are. A shotgun for shooting an Elephant. Hahaha that actually made me lol |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Some people may be thinking they are doing a good deed to hunt, whether it’s helping villagers by providing money. Or keeping the numbers down of certain animals.
I think whoever is able to get a shotgun and shoot these beautiful creatures must be absolutely soulless...
and just shows how clue less u are. A shotgun for shooting an Elephant. Hahaha that actually made me lol"
There are guns called elephant guns.. they do what they say on the tin but the recoil is fierce.. you need a strong shoulder...that is why most elephant hunters are male.. |
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I’m not sure any Hunter would publicly show them self on a social platform
If you get self gratification by killing a living animal or human then your pretty much sick
Kama exists not just in this life |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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For those that say that hunting is a sport, why's it always guns? Mix it up a bit. Try harpooning an ant with a dart for example. That's more of a challenge surely.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Wildlife management is an extremely difficult juggling act. I read an article in National Geographic a while back. It was a long-winded article, but the basic gist was that if African elephants were not managed effectively (including culling) then in just 30 years giraffes and leopards would become extinct, without human intervention. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Wildlife management is an extremely difficult juggling act. I read an article in National Geographic a while back. It was a long-winded article, but the basic gist was that if African elephants were not managed effectively (including culling) then in just 30 years giraffes and leopards would become extinct, without human intervention."
I don't mind the giraffes but leopards would be no loss in my opinion.. if elephants do need culling then why should they not bring in income to the poor from rich hunters prepared to pay a pretty penny to bag a beast |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Wildlife management but I or hubby do not trophy hunt. If we can't use the meat what's the point. "
A dead elephant will feed a village for a long time and wildlife benefit from the carcass...the hunter will take the prize of the ears and trunk but will gladly hand over the carcass to the villagers... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wildlife management but I or hubby do not trophy hunt. If we can't use the meat what's the point.
A dead elephant will feed a village for a long time and wildlife benefit from the carcass...the hunter will take the prize of the ears and trunk but will gladly hand over the carcass to the villagers..."
I don't think I can hunt a elephant. No sense for me too big of a target. I like the challenge. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Wildlife management but I or hubby do not trophy hunt. If we can't use the meat what's the point.
A dead elephant will feed a village for a long time and wildlife benefit from the carcass...the hunter will take the prize of the ears and trunk but will gladly hand over the carcass to the villagers...I don't think I can hunt a elephant. No sense for me too big of a target. I like the challenge. "
Yes but the skill of the hunter is being able to fire under pressure.. no matter how big the trophy then you still need calm nerves or the kill is lost |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wildlife management but I or hubby do not trophy hunt. If we can't use the meat what's the point.
A dead elephant will feed a village for a long time and wildlife benefit from the carcass...the hunter will take the prize of the ears and trunk but will gladly hand over the carcass to the villagers...I don't think I can hunt a elephant. No sense for me too big of a target. I like the challenge.
Yes but the skill of the hunter is being able to fire under pressure.. no matter how big the trophy then you still need calm nerves or the kill is lost "
Shoot a deer at 400 yards smaller target. More challenging. 400 yards a elephant a easy target. No challenge in that. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Wildlife management but I or hubby do not trophy hunt. If we can't use the meat what's the point.
A dead elephant will feed a village for a long time and wildlife benefit from the carcass...the hunter will take the prize of the ears and trunk but will gladly hand over the carcass to the villagers...I don't think I can hunt a elephant. No sense for me too big of a target. I like the challenge.
Yes but the skill of the hunter is being able to fire under pressure.. no matter how big the trophy then you still need calm nerves or the kill is lost
Shoot a deer at 400 yards smaller target. More challenging. 400 yards a elephant a easy target. No challenge in that."
400 yards impressive.. what did you use? |
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"Wildlife management but I or hubby do not trophy hunt. If we can't use the meat what's the point.
A dead elephant will feed a village for a long time and wildlife benefit from the carcass...the hunter will take the prize of the ears and trunk but will gladly hand over the carcass to the villagers...I don't think I can hunt a elephant. No sense for me too big of a target. I like the challenge.
Yes but the skill of the hunter is being able to fire under pressure.. no matter how big the trophy then you still need calm nerves or the kill is lost
Shoot a deer at 400 yards smaller target. More challenging. 400 yards a elephant a easy target. No challenge in that.
400 yards impressive.. what did you use?"
Remington 700 vtr 308. |
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I don’t know how much you all know about Zimbabwe, but rest assured, if the Zim government give it approval, it’s only to line the pockets of those in power... the money never reaches those in need... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To clear up some of the factual detail,
Although a seemingly large 'target', precise bullet placement is still crucial on an Elephant. The key organs although large are still very deep within the body and there is a limit to the amount of energy a human can handle from a rifle. The brain shot, either lateral or especially frontal is protected by significant bone quantity and the head angle and physical height above the shooter all have to be accounted for. Just fractions of a second before you are at risk of being trampled and quite likely made sure to be of no further significant rifle to Dumbo who you might have scratched about as hard as a sting from a wasp if you missed.
Not a gram of meat from the carcass is wasted and likely very minimum cartridge size is 375 H&H with a .40 or larger 458's and 500 highly recommended depending on shooter size and skill. The PH accompanying will likely have no smaller than such but up to .700" are available if a bit OTT. The term Elephant gun is somewhat out dated and generally applied more to when solid lead projectiles were used noted by 'bore' size in fractions of a pound of lead required to form a sphere the diameter of the barrel in the same way a shotgun cartridge size is named.
And no, that's not cut and paste from wikipedia?? |
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By *uke OzadeMan
over a year ago
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"Surely it would be more lucrative, for Zimbabwe to let the hunters shoot poachers. It is a win, win situation.
That would be illegal I would guess..
Yet the army isn't big enough to stop them."
Actually it is legal for National Parks Rangers to shoot poachers dead on sight in Zimbabwe because a lot of poachers are armed with rifles now, although capture and prosecution is the preferred option. |
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Hey guys,
Wildlife conservationist over here. Have read many many MANY papers on trophy/canned hunting. While there are loads of statements that outline the economic benefits to this style of tourism, one thing that has hit home the hardest for me, is the fact that eco-tourism is worth far more to local African economies than trophy hunting.
Of course it's easy for a westerner to step in and say "don't shoot this, don't do that" but in my opinion, the only way to move forward in regards to extinction of species such as elephants, is to work closely with local communities and help to grow alternative livelihoods, train locals up as guides for eco tourism and help to reduce any human-wildlife conflict. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
I am not keen on the canned hunts. But they are often successfully breeding lions if only to be shot. They are often made drowsy and left to be 'tracked' by a guide who is in on the scam. Rich Americans paying thousands for this and being ripped off.. if you pay your money you expect a proper hunt and kill |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am not keen on the canned hunts. But they are often successfully breeding lions if only to be shot. They are often made drowsy and left to be 'tracked' by a guide who is in on the scam. Rich Americans paying thousands for this and being ripped off.. if you pay your money you expect a proper hunt and kill "
I don't like it either not a fan of big game hunts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"To clear up some of the factual detail,
Although a seemingly large 'target', precise bullet placement is still crucial on an Elephant. The key organs although large are still very deep within the body and there is a limit to the amount of energy a human can handle from a rifle. The brain shot, either lateral or especially frontal is protected by significant bone quantity and the head angle and physical height above the shooter all have to be accounted for. Just fractions of a second before you are at risk of being trampled and quite likely made sure to be of no further significant rifle to Dumbo who you might have scratched about as hard as a sting from a wasp if you missed.
Not a gram of meat from the carcass is wasted and likely very minimum cartridge size is 375 H&H with a .40 or larger 458's and 500 highly recommended depending on shooter size and skill. The PH accompanying will likely have no smaller than such but up to .700" are available if a bit OTT. The term Elephant gun is somewhat out dated and generally applied more to when solid lead projectiles were used noted by 'bore' size in fractions of a pound of lead required to form a sphere the diameter of the barrel in the same way a shotgun cartridge size is named.
And no, that's not cut and paste from wikipedia??"
Shot the 375. No way once was enough. |
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By *rder66Man
over a year ago
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NO, it's wrong.
Using the 'good for economy' is not an arguement. Killing an animal in the name of 'sport' which is capable of empathy and emotion is wrong on so many levels.
Perhaps we should look at ways to change the economic system.
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"NO, it's wrong.
Using the 'good for economy' is not an arguement. Killing an animal in the name of 'sport' which is capable of empathy and emotion is wrong on so many levels.
Perhaps we should look at ways to change the economic system.
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I think the thrill of hunting is knowing that you will be well fed and the womenfolk looking after the children will be well fed also... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"NO, it's wrong.
Using the 'good for economy' is not an arguement. Killing an animal in the name of 'sport' which is capable of empathy and emotion is wrong on so many levels.
Perhaps we should look at ways to change the economic system.
I think the thrill of hunting is knowing that you will be well fed and the womenfolk looking after the children will be well fed also..."
Turkey deer pheasant grouse and quail is pretty much our extent. Fishing also. 4 deer a year keeps our deep freezer stocked. |
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