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"To me, as a foreigner... Politeness Tea Ale Pub culture Idyllic murders" It’s true, our murders are very pretty | |||
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"Having travelled to over 52 countries and worked in about 16 I would dispute that we are the most disliked nation in the world. " Ok, I’m curious as to who takes the top spot | |||
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"Sense of humour right up there HP brown sauce and salad cream Everything can be a sandwich Queueing Sunburn Talking about the weather Pubs Tea with milk" There’s an international law of economics that states “when two British men meet, they talk of the weather” What is a British sense of humour? | |||
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"Snobbery, bigotry and a grotesquely inflated sense of entitlement and self-importance. " Generalising much there  | |||
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"Snobbery, bigotry and a grotesquely inflated sense of entitlement and self-importance. " How dare you say that to me?! | |||
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"Having travelled to over 52 countries and worked in about 16 I would dispute that we are the most disliked nation in the world. Ok, I’m curious as to who takes the top spot" America? (But then they're basically British too like Austrailians!) | |||
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"Sense of humour right up there HP brown sauce and salad cream Everything can be a sandwich Queueing Sunburn Talking about the weather Pubs Tea with milk There’s an international law of economics that states “when two British men meet, they talk of the weather” What is a British sense of humour? " Sarcasm, bluntness and dry humour | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? " Not a lot these days - anyone with a British passport is British, now if your talking English, Welsh, Sottish or Irish then you can give a more definitive answer  | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? " Social security and the NHS  | |||
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I’d say a lot of the British stereotypes are more English stereotypes as well. | |||
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"It’s means when you introduce your mate to someone, you have to do it while taking the piss out of them, for example ‘Here’s Craig, bit of a twat!’ ‘Here’s Barry, bit of a knob!’ No other Nation does this and thus, this is the one thing that defines being British. " But only to people that we like. We never tell the people that we like, that we actually like them. Not until after they die | |||
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"I don't know but it's no me "No but perhaps you’re well placed to comment | |||
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"Having travelled to over 52 countries and worked in about 16 I would dispute that we are the most disliked nation in the world. " I agree. I think that award goes to the USA. | |||
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"Having travelled to over 52 countries and worked in about 16 I would dispute that we are the most disliked nation in the world. Ok, I’m curious as to who takes the top spot" In my experience. Russians, Americans and Chinese people are often disliked by local people in some of the former colonies as they are practicing “neo colonialism”. The British “left” these places a long time ago, the majority of problems in many of these countries boils down to corruption and the three countries mentioned above have a laissez faire attitude to that. In sub Saharan Africa now, the Chinese are stripping mineral wealth and natural resources from many countries and the companies doing it are bringing in Chinese staff to do so (impacting local unemployment and create resentment). I have worked in many former colonial countries and have seldom felt negativity from acts from over half a century ago. What tends to matter is now. | |||
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"When you think about all the amazing music to come out of Britain, its staggering, we’ve produced probably 80% of the greatest bands/ artists on the planet, not bad for a tiny nation. How can you not get emotional and be proud of that ?!" This  | |||
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"When you think about all the amazing music to come out of Britain, its staggering, we’ve produced probably 80% of the greatest bands/ artists on the planet, not bad for a tiny nation. How can you not get emotional and be proud of that ?! This "Britain isnt a nation for god dake, its 4 nations. | |||
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"When you think about all the amazing music to come out of Britain, its staggering, we’ve produced probably 80% of the greatest bands/ artists on the planet, not bad for a tiny nation. How can you not get emotional and be proud of that ?! This
Britain isnt a nation for god dake, its 4 nations.
"Where exactly in my comment did I say it’s one nation ? | |||
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"I don't know but it's no me
No but perhaps you’re well placed to comment "I'll give it some thought ... I did catch the word " tolerant " in a comment above . Not sure , like with most nations , that it's the first word that comes to my mind . | |||
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"Snobbery, bigotry and a grotesquely inflated sense of entitlement and self-importance. " That's the famous British spirit (and I hope humour) in action! | |||
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"Having travelled to over 52 countries and worked in about 16 I would dispute that we are the most disliked nation in the world. " This ^^^ but not as many countries! (By a long way) | |||
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"Snobbery, bigotry and a grotesquely inflated sense of entitlement and self-importance. " Luckily only some of them, and not too many! | |||
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"To me, as a foreigner... Politeness Tea Ale Pub culture Idyllic murders" What do you mean by idyllic ? | |||
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"Having travelled to over 52 countries and worked in about 16 I would dispute that we are the most disliked nation in the world. Ok, I’m curious as to who takes the top spot In my experience. Russians, Americans and Chinese people are often disliked by local people in some of the former colonies as they are practicing “neo colonialism”. The British “left” these places a long time ago, the majority of problems in many of these countries boils down to corruption and the three countries mentioned above have a laissez faire attitude to that. In sub Saharan Africa now, the Chinese are stripping mineral wealth and natural resources from many countries and the companies doing it are bringing in Chinese staff to do so (impacting local unemployment and create resentment). I have worked in many former colonial countries and have seldom felt negativity from acts from over half a century ago. What tends to matter is now. " When i lived in Holland and people heard my accent, they would usually say, Are you English? ina slightly dissaporiving wayz when i told them No i am Scottish, they would suddenly warm to me and want to chat more. i think it has to do with yobs on holiday, over aggressive football fans and the idea that English people feel superior to johnny foreigner. | |||
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"When you think about all the amazing music to come out of Britain, its staggering, we’ve produced probably 80% of the greatest bands/ artists on the planet, not bad for a tiny nation. How can you not get emotional and be proud of that ?! This
Britain isnt a nation for god dake, its 4 nations.
Where exactly in my comment did I say it’s one nation ? ""Not bad for a tiny nation" | |||
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"Hugh Grant. I win "Jesus if he is all that it is to be British I am glad i am not. | |||
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"Hugh Grant. I win "David Niven by a long way. | |||
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"Hugh Grant. I win
David Niven by a long way."Love him in “a matter of life and death” | |||
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"When you think about all the amazing music to come out of Britain, its staggering, we’ve produced probably 80% of the greatest bands/ artists on the planet, not bad for a tiny nation. How can you not get emotional and be proud of that ?! This
Britain isnt a nation for god dake, its 4 nations.
Where exactly in my comment did I say it’s one nation ?
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"'Britishness' doesn't exist. Whenever a 'British' stereotype comes up it is usually an English one and then that is narrowed down to a London stereotype." Duke of Wellington. Anglo Irish Churchill American English Bond Often played by Celts That’s Britishness | |||
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"'Britishness' doesn't exist. Whenever a 'British' stereotype comes up it is usually an English one and then that is narrowed down to a London stereotype." I see that as well. Glad an English person said it though. | |||
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"'Britishness' doesn't exist. Whenever a 'British' stereotype comes up it is usually an English one and then that is narrowed down to a London stereotype." I agree, rarely will the Celtic nations of Scotland, Manx, Wales and Cornwall come into the idea of Britishness with their different cultures and languages. Or even our rich ethnic diversity due to our empire. But I guess that's what Britishness is diversity. | |||
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"'Britishness' doesn't exist. Whenever a 'British' stereotype comes up it is usually an English one and then that is narrowed down to a London stereotype. I agree, rarely will the Celtic nations of Scotland, Manx, Wales and Cornwall come into the idea of Britishness with their different cultures and languages. Or even our rich ethnic diversity due to our empire. But I guess that's what Britishness is diversity. " Historucally, it was the pounding down and killing off diversity, then claiming the good parts of any other culture or country for the crown, generally by sticking a flag in it. | |||
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"Pork pies and pasties" Oh I like this! | |||
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"Fry ups Fish and chips Queueing Sorry Complaining Talking about how surprising the weather is, year in year out. Bank holiday weekends Pubs NHS Windbreakers at the beach Ice cream vans and Mr Whippys" You forgot deckchairs and knotted handkerchiefs on heads | |||
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"Fry ups Fish and chips Queueing Sorry Complaining Talking about how surprising the weather is, year in year out. Bank holiday weekends Pubs NHS Windbreakers at the beach Ice cream vans and Mr Whippys You forgot deckchairs and knotted handkerchiefs on heads" And gravy. Gravy with everything | |||
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"When you think about all the amazing music to come out of Britain, its staggering, we’ve produced probably 80% of the greatest bands/ artists on the planet, not bad for a tiny nation. How can you not get emotional and be proud of that ?! This
Britain isnt a nation for god dake, its 4 nations.
"I do not see the names of Scotland or Wales or England in the list of the United Nations, What I do find is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island. | |||
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"When you think about all the amazing music to come out of Britain, its staggering, we’ve produced probably 80% of the greatest bands/ artists on the planet, not bad for a tiny nation. How can you not get emotional and be proud of that ?! This
Britain isnt a nation for god dake, its 4 nations.
I do not see the names of Scotland or Wales or England in the list of the United Nations, What I do find is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island."So you think Britain is one country? | |||
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"'Britishness' doesn't exist. Whenever a 'British' stereotype comes up it is usually an English one and then that is narrowed down to a London stereotype. I agree, rarely will the Celtic nations of Scotland, Manx, Wales and Cornwall come into the idea of Britishness with their different cultures and languages. Or even our rich ethnic diversity due to our empire. But I guess that's what Britishness is diversity. Historucally, it was the pounding down and killing off diversity, then claiming the good parts of any other culture or country for the crown, generally by sticking a flag in it." Then I think stubbornness is a British thing. Being a Welsh speaker it's amazing it still exists. We've had laws passed by the English to say we weren't allowed to use our language in legal setting and those who couldn't speak English weren't allowed public jobs. Even the Welsh not used in schools to prevent use of the language. But none of it worked, my mother tongue is Welsh. | |||
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"Having travelled to over 52 countries and worked in about 16 I would dispute that we are the most disliked nation in the world. Ok, I’m curious as to who takes the top spot" The French obviously | |||
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"Hugh Grant. I win "But what about that Bannanaband Cumberswatch fella? I win
But seriously I have seen a lot of different countries and I feel blessed to have been born here.
I wouldn't live anywhere else.
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"'Britishness' doesn't exist. Whenever a 'British' stereotype comes up it is usually an English one and then that is narrowed down to a London stereotype. I agree, rarely will the Celtic nations of Scotland, Manx, Wales and Cornwall come into the idea of Britishness with their different cultures and languages. Or even our rich ethnic diversity due to our empire. But I guess that's what Britishness is diversity. Historucally, it was the pounding down and killing off diversity, then claiming the good parts of any other culture or country for the crown, generally by sticking a flag in it." Yes but then all of those nations started calling Britain ‘home’ and living here. We’re a very culturally diverse nation and I love that part of this country | |||
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"When you think about all the amazing music to come out of Britain, its staggering, we’ve produced probably 80% of the greatest bands/ artists on the planet, not bad for a tiny nation. How can you not get emotional and be proud of that ?! This
Britain isnt a nation for god dake, its 4 nations.
I do not see the names of Scotland or Wales or England in the list of the United Nations, What I do find is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island.
So you think Britain is one country?"Depends how you define 'nation'? For the purposes of international relations the UK is a single nation. Culturally the UK is a mix of nations. | |||
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"'Britishness' doesn't exist. Whenever a 'British' stereotype comes up it is usually an English one and then that is narrowed down to a London stereotype. I agree, rarely will the Celtic nations of Scotland, Manx, Wales and Cornwall come into the idea of Britishness with their different cultures and languages. Or even our rich ethnic diversity due to our empire. But I guess that's what Britishness is diversity. Historucally, it was the pounding down and killing off diversity, then claiming the good parts of any other culture or country for the crown, generally by sticking a flag in it. Then I think stubbornness is a British thing. Being a Welsh speaker it's amazing it still exists. We've had laws passed by the English to say we weren't allowed to use our language in legal setting and those who couldn't speak English weren't allowed public jobs. Even the Welsh not used in schools to prevent use of the language. But none of it worked, my mother tongue is Welsh. " Sending love from another "colony" | |||
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" I see that as well. Glad an English person said it though." Quarter Scots. The English part is a mix of Northern and Southern. | |||
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"When you think about all the amazing music to come out of Britain, its staggering, we’ve produced probably 80% of the greatest bands/ artists on the planet, not bad for a tiny nation. How can you not get emotional and be proud of that ?! This
Britain isnt a nation for god dake, its 4 nations.
I do not see the names of Scotland or Wales or England in the list of the United Nations, What I do find is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island.
So you think Britain is one country?"I think he said “nation” which is, I believe what you objected too. You are both right and both wrong if that helps. England is not a nation (it fails to meet the majority of criteria for this) Scotland is, as is the UK (constitutional monarchy and the ability to set certain domestic and overseas policies). Same with countries the United Kingdom is a country with 4 countries inside of it. But it’s all semantics. As I say. You are both right and both wrong. | |||
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"When you think about all the amazing music to come out of Britain, its staggering, we’ve produced probably 80% of the greatest bands/ artists on the planet, not bad for a tiny nation. How can you not get emotional and be proud of that ?! This
Britain isnt a nation for god dake, its 4 nations.
I do not see the names of Scotland or Wales or England in the list of the United Nations, What I do find is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island.
So you think Britain is one country?"No it’s four, I thought we established this. | |||
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"'Britishness' doesn't exist. Whenever a 'British' stereotype comes up it is usually an English one and then that is narrowed down to a London stereotype. I agree, rarely will the Celtic nations of Scotland, Manx, Wales and Cornwall come into the idea of Britishness with their different cultures and languages. Or even our rich ethnic diversity due to our empire. But I guess that's what Britishness is diversity. Historucally, it was the pounding down and killing off diversity, then claiming the good parts of any other culture or country for the crown, generally by sticking a flag in it. Then I think stubbornness is a British thing. Being a Welsh speaker it's amazing it still exists. We've had laws passed by the English to say we weren't allowed to use our language in legal setting and those who couldn't speak English weren't allowed public jobs. Even the Welsh not used in schools to prevent use of the language. But none of it worked, my mother tongue is Welsh. " Just curious, when were those laws passed? Also, I can kind of see the point. If you’re working in a council office and you can’t speak the language of the bosses, head office and of the people, would you have a job? I personally disagree with trying to kill off ethnicity, language and cultural roots but I also know quite a few Welsh people who think the Welsh language is ridiculous and don’t want to learn it | |||
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"To be British is to wake up in a SWEDISH bed in your CHINESE pyjamas. Eat your AMERICAN granola and drink your INDIAN tea. Put on your ITALIAN suit/dress and your FRENCH aftershave/perfume. Walk to your GERMAN car in your TURKISH shoes. Drive to work in your JAPANESE held office using JAPANESE technology. Grab SUSHI for lunch with some INDIAN green tea or ITALIAN coffee. Grab a TURKISH KEBAB for the evening. Flop down on your E.U. furniture. Sink a FRENCH beer........ stroke your AFGHAN hound. Make an appointment with your SRI-LANKAN doctor. Watch an AMERICAN programme on your SOUTH KOREAN t.v. with your half CHINESE half IRANIAN neighbour eating POLISH snacks........ Don't live in the now and imagine you are in the past.......... " Is your caps lock broken Granny? | |||
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"When you think about all the amazing music to come out of Britain, its staggering, we’ve produced probably 80% of the greatest bands/ artists on the planet, not bad for a tiny nation. How can you not get emotional and be proud of that ?! This
Britain isnt a nation for god dake, its 4 nations.
I do not see the names of Scotland or Wales or England in the list of the United Nations, What I do find is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island.
So you think Britain is one country?
No it’s four, I thought we established this."Tarkus1812, says otherwise. | |||
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"To be British is to wake up in a SWEDISH bed in your CHINESE pyjamas. Eat your AMERICAN granola and drink your INDIAN tea. Put on your ITALIAN suit/dress and your FRENCH aftershave/perfume. Walk to your GERMAN car in your TURKISH shoes. Drive to work in your JAPANESE held office using JAPANESE technology. Grab SUSHI for lunch with some INDIAN green tea or ITALIAN coffee. Grab a TURKISH KEBAB for the evening. Flop down on your E.U. furniture. Sink a FRENCH beer........ stroke your AFGHAN hound. Make an appointment with your SRI-LANKAN doctor. Watch an AMERICAN programme on your SOUTH KOREAN t.v. with your half CHINESE half IRANIAN neighbour eating POLISH snacks........ Don't live in the now and imagine you are in the past.......... Is your caps lock broken Granny? " Yeah .... Keyboard is fucking BRITISH | |||
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"To be British is to wake up in a SWEDISH bed in your CHINESE pyjamas. Eat your AMERICAN granola and drink your INDIAN tea. Put on your ITALIAN suit/dress and your FRENCH aftershave/perfume. Walk to your GERMAN car in your TURKISH shoes. Drive to work in your JAPANESE held office using JAPANESE technology. Grab SUSHI for lunch with some INDIAN green tea or ITALIAN coffee. Grab a TURKISH KEBAB for the evening. Flop down on your E.U. furniture. Sink a FRENCH beer........ stroke your AFGHAN hound. Make an appointment with your SRI-LANKAN doctor. Watch an AMERICAN programme on your SOUTH KOREAN t.v. with your half CHINESE half IRANIAN neighbour eating POLISH snacks........ Don't live in the now and imagine you are in the past.......... " I don’t have Turkish shoes Granny | |||
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"Snobbery, bigotry and a grotesquely inflated sense of entitlement and self-importance. " I guess also denigrating, scornful and self depricating then. | |||
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"Snobbery, bigotry and a grotesquely inflated sense of entitlement and self-importance. I guess also denigrating, scornful and self depricating then. "  | |||
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"To be British is to wake up in a SWEDISH bed in your CHINESE pyjamas. Eat your AMERICAN granola and drink your INDIAN tea. Put on your ITALIAN suit/dress and your FRENCH aftershave/perfume. Walk to your GERMAN car in your TURKISH shoes. Drive to work in your JAPANESE held office using JAPANESE technology. Grab SUSHI for lunch with some INDIAN green tea or ITALIAN coffee. Grab a TURKISH KEBAB for the evening. Flop down on your E.U. furniture. Sink a FRENCH beer........ stroke your AFGHAN hound. Make an appointment with your SRI-LANKAN doctor. Watch an AMERICAN programme on your SOUTH KOREAN t.v. with your half CHINESE half IRANIAN neighbour eating POLISH snacks........ Don't live in the now and imagine you are in the past.......... " HOUSE! (Forum bingo) | |||
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"To be British is to wake up in a SWEDISH bed in your CHINESE pyjamas. Eat your AMERICAN granola and drink your INDIAN tea. Put on your ITALIAN suit/dress and your FRENCH aftershave/perfume. Walk to your GERMAN car in your TURKISH shoes. Drive to work in your JAPANESE held office using JAPANESE technology. Grab SUSHI for lunch with some INDIAN green tea or ITALIAN coffee. Grab a TURKISH KEBAB for the evening. Flop down on your E.U. furniture. Sink a FRENCH beer........ stroke your AFGHAN hound. Make an appointment with your SRI-LANKAN doctor. Watch an AMERICAN programme on your SOUTH KOREAN t.v. with your half CHINESE half IRANIAN neighbour eating POLISH snacks........ Don't live in the now and imagine you are in the past.......... " You forgot the monarchy which is part German, part french, part Greek... | |||
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"Nope. I kneecap deliberately. "If you need back up just let me know... | |||
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"Nope. I kneecap deliberately. "It's something I heard a lot about as a child ..... damn those lived experiences. | |||
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"Amazing to think of all the music to come out of one nation, probably 80% or more " ABBA ? | |||
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"To be British is to wake up in a SWEDISH bed in your CHINESE pyjamas. Eat your AMERICAN granola and drink your INDIAN tea. Put on your ITALIAN suit/dress and your FRENCH aftershave/perfume. Walk to your GERMAN car in your TURKISH shoes. Drive to work in your JAPANESE held office using JAPANESE technology. Grab SUSHI for lunch with some INDIAN green tea or ITALIAN coffee. Grab a TURKISH KEBAB for the evening. Flop down on your E.U. furniture. Sink a FRENCH beer........ stroke your AFGHAN hound. Make an appointment with your SRI-LANKAN doctor. Watch an AMERICAN programme on your SOUTH KOREAN t.v. with your half CHINESE half IRANIAN neighbour eating POLISH snacks........ Don't live in the now and imagine you are in the past.......... You forgot the monarchy which is part German, part french, part Greek..." I didn't forget them. I avoid them. | |||
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"Proved over 10 centuries of history we are one of the greatest nations on earth. We have for such a small country always punched massively above our weight in the world. It’s in our ethos our genes our culture. I am so proud to be English " Thread was about British
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"'Britishness' doesn't exist. Whenever a 'British' stereotype comes up it is usually an English one and then that is narrowed down to a London stereotype. I agree, rarely will the Celtic nations of Scotland, Manx, Wales and Cornwall come into the idea of Britishness with their different cultures and languages. Or even our rich ethnic diversity due to our empire. But I guess that's what Britishness is diversity. Historucally, it was the pounding down and killing off diversity, then claiming the good parts of any other culture or country for the crown, generally by sticking a flag in it. Then I think stubbornness is a British thing. Being a Welsh speaker it's amazing it still exists. We've had laws passed by the English to say we weren't allowed to use our language in legal setting and those who couldn't speak English weren't allowed public jobs. Even the Welsh not used in schools to prevent use of the language. But none of it worked, my mother tongue is Welsh. Just curious, when were those laws passed? Also, I can kind of see the point. If you’re working in a council office and you can’t speak the language of the bosses, head office and of the people, would you have a job? I personally disagree with trying to kill off ethnicity, language and cultural roots but I also know quite a few Welsh people who think the Welsh language is ridiculous and don’t want to learn it" They're very old and is to do with making Wales part of England. But it was used continuously through the centuries. The not being able to use Welsh in a court of law for example was obviously a massive obstacle to rural people to have fair trials etc. The Welsh not where if you had the sign at the end of the day was given to my great grandfather (who passed away when I was in my late teens so in living memory). I actually choose to do maths and science through the medium of English as they are the language of the subjects. So I don't always agree with all the Welsh nationalists. I believe language and culture should be a choice. It's my mother tongue to me it's like a hug when I speak it over English which isn't the same. But I've been told that I should "loose my accent if I want to succeed and be taken seriously" which was something I refused to do. But that's what I love about Britain, it has Celtic, Anglo Saxon, normon and our empire roots with lots of others too. It's something in such a small small space is incredible really. | |||
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"Amazing to think of all the music to come out of one nation, probably 80% or more " 80% of the best musoc came from Britain, really? | |||
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"Amazing to think of all the music to come out of one nation, probably 80% or more 80% of the best musoc came from Britain, really?" You’re right, probably closer to 90% | |||
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"Amazing to think of all the music to come out of one nation, probably 80% or more 80% of the best musoc came from Britain, really?" I think 100% of the sarcasm can be overlooked at times. | |||
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"Today is also Shakespeare's birthday and reputedly the day he died as well. For me the English language and the extraordinary art which has been produced in it is Britain's greatest gift to the world, and one which can be celebrated independent of any national allegiances." I heard that all of Shakespears works combined, have a total of less than 20,000 digferent words. not bad at all | |||
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"'Britishness' doesn't exist. Whenever a 'British' stereotype comes up it is usually an English one and then that is narrowed down to a London stereotype. I agree, rarely will the Celtic nations of Scotland, Manx, Wales and Cornwall come into the idea of Britishness with their different cultures and languages. Or even our rich ethnic diversity due to our empire. But I guess that's what Britishness is diversity. Historucally, it was the pounding down and killing off diversity, then claiming the good parts of any other culture or country for the crown, generally by sticking a flag in it. Then I think stubbornness is a British thing. Being a Welsh speaker it's amazing it still exists. We've had laws passed by the English to say we weren't allowed to use our language in legal setting and those who couldn't speak English weren't allowed public jobs. Even the Welsh not used in schools to prevent use of the language. But none of it worked, my mother tongue is Welsh. Just curious, when were those laws passed? Also, I can kind of see the point. If you’re working in a council office and you can’t speak the language of the bosses, head office and of the people, would you have a job? I personally disagree with trying to kill off ethnicity, language and cultural roots but I also know quite a few Welsh people who think the Welsh language is ridiculous and don’t want to learn it" Hundreds of years of gaslighting will do that to people. The amount of abuse the oldest language gets is unbelievable, including within Wales, and especially through social media. It’s mere survival is a miracle, and its not surprising a significant amount of Welsh fall for the b******t stories about the language. Sorry, I’ve got on my high horse there, but it needed saying. I find Britishness increasingly impossible to define in recent years, beyond the stereotypes. I honestly feel that each constiuent part knows little of the real story (good and bad) of the other parts. I do think the UK is finished. On a brighter note - a very, very Happy St George’s Day to all the English folks here and that I know in the real world | |||
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"The English don't speak English ..... They speak a mix of old norse which has evolved through Germanic, French and Latin additions.... as the English were over ruled many times in history. Old Cornish dialect is what comes closest today ( I think ) When I hear Brits proclaiming how powerful they are. I know they don't know how many times they've been conquered ruled and diluted. (thank heavens ) Holding on to a Gaelic language is 'nice' but won't serve anyone on a global scale. " Cornish is a Celtic language, which I can mostly figure out as it's the same branch as Welsh. Unlike the Gaelic Irish and Scottish Celtic languages. Holding on to my language doesn't serve anyone I suppose on a global scale. But I know when I talk to big American institutions they always remember me and my accent, they go potty for it. One guy even leant some Welsh out of respect. So on a global scale maybe not on a personal one yes. | |||
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"Britishness. Half a dozen things off the top of my head: Invading or attacking 173 of the world's 195 countries. Starving approximately 58 million people to death during the 182 years spent utterly ransacking India. Another 2 million deaths and tens of millions more displaced during partition. Using those same tactics in Ireland, and causing the potato famine and another million death, and reducing the population by as much as 20% through people emigrating to escape it. Committing atrocities – mass executions, torture, r*pe – against the Mau Mau and the Kikuyu and then destroying the documentation to cover it up. The true numbers killed will never be known. Herding the Boers into concentration camps, where approximately ten percent of the entire population died. Enthusiastically participating in the sl*ve trade from 1562 to 1807, compensating the sl*vers rather than their victims, and then pretending to be the good guys in the story. Going to war with China to force them to allow the sale of opium, wrecking their economy, and creating the destablisation that led to the Taiping Rebellion, and another 20 to 30 million people dead. The legacy of Empire is one of untold destruction and rapacity. Absolute stain on history. And yet people laud it! They're nostalgic for it. Ugh. " totally opposed to the idea of friendly Britishness as described by most posters
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? " Well saying we as an English nation whilst talking about being British, doesn't do you any favours with the other countries in Britain lol | |||
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"Britishness. Half a dozen things off the top of my head: Invading or attacking 173 of the world's 195 countries. Starving approximately 58 million people to death during the 182 years spent utterly ransacking India. Another 2 million deaths and tens of millions more displaced during partition. Using those same tactics in Ireland, and causing the potato famine and another million death, and reducing the population by as much as 20% through people emigrating to escape it. Committing atrocities – mass executions, torture, r*pe – against the Mau Mau and the Kikuyu and then destroying the documentation to cover it up. The true numbers killed will never be known. Herding the Boers into concentration camps, where approximately ten percent of the entire population died. Enthusiastically participating in the sl*ve trade from 1562 to 1807, compensating the sl*vers rather than their victims, and then pretending to be the good guys in the story. Going to war with China to force them to allow the sale of opium, wrecking their economy, and creating the destablisation that led to the Taiping Rebellion, and another 20 to 30 million people dead. The legacy of Empire is one of untold destruction and rapacity. Absolute stain on history. And yet people laud it! They're nostalgic for it. Ugh. totally opposed to the idea of friendly Britishness as described by most posters
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"Britishness. Half a dozen things off the top of my head: Invading or attacking 173 of the world's 195 countries. Starving approximately 58 million people to death during the 182 years spent utterly ransacking India. Another 2 million deaths and tens of millions more displaced during partition. Using those same tactics in Ireland, and causing the potato famine and another million death, and reducing the population by as much as 20% through people emigrating to escape it. Committing atrocities – mass executions, torture, r*pe – against the Mau Mau and the Kikuyu and then destroying the documentation to cover it up. The true numbers killed will never be known. Herding the Boers into concentration camps, where approximately ten percent of the entire population died. Enthusiastically participating in the sl*ve trade from 1562 to 1807, compensating the sl*vers rather than their victims, and then pretending to be the good guys in the story. Going to war with China to force them to allow the sale of opium, wrecking their economy, and creating the destablisation that led to the Taiping Rebellion, and another 20 to 30 million people dead. The legacy of Empire is one of untold destruction and rapacity. Absolute stain on history. And yet people laud it! They're nostalgic for it. Ugh. totally opposed to the idea of friendly Britishness as described by most posters
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"The English don't speak English ..... They speak a mix of old norse which has evolved through Germanic, French and Latin additions.... as the English were over ruled many times in history. Old Cornish dialect is what comes closest today ( I think ) When I hear Brits proclaiming how powerful they are. I know they don't know how many times they've been conquered ruled and diluted. (thank heavens ) Holding on to a Gaelic language is 'nice' but won't serve anyone on a global scale. " The English do speak English. Cornish is in the Celtic family of languages and English is in the Germanic family - different roots. As you said about 'Britishness' English is not stagnant but constantly changing and morphing which is why there is Old English, Middle English and Early Modern English. | |||
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"Snobbery, bigotry and a grotesquely inflated sense of entitlement and self-importance. " That's America. | |||
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"Snobbery, bigotry and a grotesquely inflated sense of entitlement and self-importance. That's America. " Well I mean yes but.... | |||
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"Snobbery, bigotry and a grotesquely inflated sense of entitlement and self-importance. " Well enough about you. How about sticking to the subject. | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? " You obviously haven’t travelled as much as me. The majority of places I have visited love the English Americans on the other hand.... | |||
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"Curry is British. I know India is the birth place of all the various curries but its British now. It's as British as fish and chips. I'm going to avoid the political side of things here mostly because I'm Irish of a certain age and I have biases. I know a guy above on here have said that the English are not as hated as Americans but maybe that's what they said to your face? "The English" are not liked internationally. But Individual English people are often loved. When on holiday we could drink at the bar with families from England or Wales or Scotland and have the best time. But we wouldn't travel to an English resort because there would only be trouble there. I went to a McDonald's in Paris and got a burger. When I told the person at the counter I was irish not English (she called me an English shit head) they took my burger back and gave me a different one. And said sorry. Our view of Britain is very different from your version. I have baggage. I have had an armoured car point it's machine gun at me as we stood beside our car while it was being searched. That affects a 10 Yr old. And the past is in the past. This is true but the effects of past behaviours are felt to this day. " You said you wouldn’t get political then you got political. If it’s any consequence, I travel on an Irish passport | |||
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"Curry is British. I know India is the birth place of all the various curries but its British now. It's as British as fish and chips. I'm going to avoid the political side of things here mostly because I'm Irish of a certain age and I have biases. I know a guy above on here have said that the English are not as hated as Americans but maybe that's what they said to your face? "The English" are not liked internationally. But Individual English people are often loved. When on holiday we could drink at the bar with families from England or Wales or Scotland and have the best time. But we wouldn't travel to an English resort because there would only be trouble there. I went to a McDonald's in Paris and got a burger. When I told the person at the counter I was irish not English (she called me an English shit head) they took my burger back and gave me a different one. And said sorry. Our view of Britain is very different from your version. I have baggage. I have had an armoured car point it's machine gun at me as we stood beside our car while it was being searched. That affects a 10 Yr old. And the past is in the past. This is true but the effects of past behaviours are felt to this day. You said you wouldn’t get political then you got political. If it’s any consequence, I travel on an Irish passport " I did but I really didn't. I have family in England. Some of my favourite people are English. My uncle Tony. A scouser. He's a legend. I loved visiting Liverpool. It was amazing. But the British institutions are a different matter. | |||
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"Curry is British. I know India is the birth place of all the various curries but its British now. It's as British as fish and chips. I'm going to avoid the political side of things here mostly because I'm Irish of a certain age and I have biases. I know a guy above on here have said that the English are not as hated as Americans but maybe that's what they said to your face? "The English" are not liked internationally. But Individual English people are often loved. When on holiday we could drink at the bar with families from England or Wales or Scotland and have the best time. But we wouldn't travel to an English resort because there would only be trouble there. I went to a McDonald's in Paris and got a burger. When I told the person at the counter I was irish not English (she called me an English shit head) they took my burger back and gave me a different one. And said sorry. Our view of Britain is very different from your version. I have baggage. I have had an armoured car point it's machine gun at me as we stood beside our car while it was being searched. That affects a 10 Yr old. And the past is in the past. This is true but the effects of past behaviours are felt to this day. You said you wouldn’t get political then you got political. If it’s any consequence, I travel on an Irish passport I did but I really didn't. I have family in England. Some of my favourite people are English. My uncle Tony. A scouser. He's a legend. I loved visiting Liverpool. It was amazing. But the British institutions are a different matter. " Using a Parisian McD’s as an example wasn’t a good one either, nobody in Europe likes the French and the feeling is mutual. In fact Parisians don’t even like the rest of France and vice versa. | |||
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"Curry is British. I know India is the birth place of all the various curries but its British now. It's as British as fish and chips. I'm going to avoid the political side of things here mostly because I'm Irish of a certain age and I have biases. I know a guy above on here have said that the English are not as hated as Americans but maybe that's what they said to your face? "The English" are not liked internationally. But Individual English people are often loved. When on holiday we could drink at the bar with families from England or Wales or Scotland and have the best time. But we wouldn't travel to an English resort because there would only be trouble there. I went to a McDonald's in Paris and got a burger. When I told the person at the counter I was irish not English (she called me an English shit head) they took my burger back and gave me a different one. And said sorry. Our view of Britain is very different from your version. I have baggage. I have had an armoured car point it's machine gun at me as we stood beside our car while it was being searched. That affects a 10 Yr old. And the past is in the past. This is true but the effects of past behaviours are felt to this day. You said you wouldn’t get political then you got political. If it’s any consequence, I travel on an Irish passport I did but I really didn't. I have family in England. Some of my favourite people are English. My uncle Tony. A scouser. He's a legend. I loved visiting Liverpool. It was amazing. But the British institutions are a different matter. Using a Parisian McD’s as an example wasn’t a good one either, nobody in Europe likes the French and the feeling is mutual. In fact Parisians don’t even like the rest of France and vice versa. " My mistake. You're beloved. | |||
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"Curry is British. I know India is the birth place of all the various curries but its British now. It's as British as fish and chips. I'm going to avoid the political side of things here mostly because I'm Irish of a certain age and I have biases. I know a guy above on here have said that the English are not as hated as Americans but maybe that's what they said to your face? "The English" are not liked internationally. But Individual English people are often loved. When on holiday we could drink at the bar with families from England or Wales or Scotland and have the best time. But we wouldn't travel to an English resort because there would only be trouble there. I went to a McDonald's in Paris and got a burger. When I told the person at the counter I was irish not English (she called me an English shit head) they took my burger back and gave me a different one. And said sorry. Our view of Britain is very different from your version. I have baggage. I have had an armoured car point it's machine gun at me as we stood beside our car while it was being searched. That affects a 10 Yr old. And the past is in the past. This is true but the effects of past behaviours are felt to this day. " So India creates a dish and we rob it? Seriously. The curry isn’t ours, some curries have been invented by the British but it’s not ours. Is pizza ours? Pasta? A banana? Wake up | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? " Identify as Scottish first then British. As a Scot I can feel my heckles twitching at this typical conflation of British with English. They are not interchangeable, but it is something the English do quite often - the old "Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he loses" cliche springs to mind. That arrogance, which is largely media-based to be fair, probably goes some way to the dislike people feel towards England. | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? Identify as Scottish first then British. As a Scot I can feel my heckles twitching at this typical conflation of British with English. They are not interchangeable, but it is something the English do quite often - the old "Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he loses" cliche springs to mind. That arrogance, which is largely media-based to be fair, probably goes some way to the dislike people feel towards England." Wow? So your education system, as an example...where’s the funding come from. | |||
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"Snobbery, bigotry and a grotesquely inflated sense of entitlement and self-importance. Generalising much there "isn’t the whole point of the entire thread to generalise - for example i don’t like hp or salad cream but i know it doesn’t stop me being british | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? Identify as Scottish first then British. As a Scot I can feel my heckles twitching at this typical conflation of British with English. They are not interchangeable, but it is something the English do quite often - the old "Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he loses" cliche springs to mind. That arrogance, which is largely media-based to be fair, probably goes some way to the dislike people feel towards England. Wow? So your education system, as an example...where’s the funding come from. " Got absolutely nothing to do with my point. | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? Identify as Scottish first then British. As a Scot I can feel my heckles twitching at this typical conflation of British with English. They are not interchangeable, but it is something the English do quite often - the old "Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he loses" cliche springs to mind. That arrogance, which is largely media-based to be fair, probably goes some way to the dislike people feel towards England. Wow? So your education system, as an example...where’s the funding come from. Got absolutely nothing to do with my point. " About the dislike towards the English. History my friend. Where would you be standing alone from history? I’m English then also class myself as British secondly also. So you say the English are liked because of our arrogance, yet you comfortably disrespect a would nation.....top lad | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? " So you've gone and used Engliah and British as if its interchangeable, therefore alienting Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish as if they were merely colonies. If you'd kept your question referencing St George's Day as "what defines English" it's a slightly different question. | |||
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"When you think about all the amazing music to come out of Britain, its staggering, we’ve produced probably 80% of the greatest bands/ artists on the planet, not bad for a tiny nation. How can you not get emotional and be proud of that ?! This
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? Identify as Scottish first then British. As a Scot I can feel my heckles twitching at this typical conflation of British with English. They are not interchangeable, but it is something the English do quite often - the old "Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he loses" cliche springs to mind. That arrogance, which is largely media-based to be fair, probably goes some way to the dislike people feel towards England. Wow? So your education system, as an example...where’s the funding come from. Got absolutely nothing to do with my point. About the dislike towards the English. History my friend. Where would you be standing alone from history? I’m English then also class myself as British secondly also. So you say the English are liked because of our arrogance, yet you comfortably disrespect a would nation.....top lad " I gave you a prime example of the arrogance right now. Current. I even said it was more of a media thing... but sure thing big man, leap to the defence of St George. | |||
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"A picture above the fireplace of dogs playing snooker...mic drop "I've got those, but in the hallway not above the fireplace lol | |||
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"Nothing more british than a yorksire pud" I'd say that was more English than British. | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? So you've gone and used Engliah and British as if its interchangeable, therefore alienting Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish as if they were merely colonies. If you'd kept your question referencing St George's Day as "what defines English" it's a slightly different question." Here here | |||
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"There will always be those who try to disgrace our nation, no matter how dumb ass they are it is also a reason to be proud for we are, a democracy. Our society allows free speech, even those who would preach hatred like Anjum Chaudhry. If you hate this country you can say so and still live here in perfect safety protected by our laws. Those on here who are knocking this countries past can do so because our society allows it but don't see what we've become because of it, like most harbingers of doom they prefer to keep regurgitating incidents that would no longer happen citing them as reasons why we should feel shame. Do we constantly knock German's for Hitler's tyranny or do most of us seem to drive their cars praising there advanced technology? I don't see Italian mobs pulling down statues of a Caesar or Egyptians bulldozing the pyramids, most who put this country down have never lived outside of it and therefore have a two dimensional view. If we are so bad then why do so many migrants risk their lives trying to get here walking through other European countries on their way... if your so damn negative then why do you live here anyway? Love it or leave it..." talking about free speech but asking ppl to leave your country if they deem question it
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? Identify as Scottish first then British. As a Scot I can feel my heckles twitching at this typical conflation of British with English. They are not interchangeable, but it is something the English do quite often - the old "Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he loses" cliche springs to mind. That arrogance, which is largely media-based to be fair, probably goes some way to the dislike people feel towards England." Another good point, England winning the world cup in 1966, everytime something to do with the world cup comes on TV somebody has to bring it up. In 1967 a British team won the European Cup, first British team to do it and I'll be surprised to see how many know which team it was. | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? So you've gone and used Engliah and British as if its interchangeable, therefore alienting Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish as if they were merely colonies. If you'd kept your question referencing St George's Day as "what defines English" it's a slightly different question." English is British, as is Scottish, Welsh and N Irish. I made an aside about being English but my question is about being British. Much as people may dislike it, we are one nation called Great Britain. Being resentful doesn’t change the fact! | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? So you've gone and used Engliah and British as if its interchangeable, therefore alienting Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish as if they were merely colonies. If you'd kept your question referencing St George's Day as "what defines English" it's a slightly different question. English is British, as is Scottish, Welsh and N Irish. I made an aside about being English but my question is about being British. Much as people may dislike it, we are one nation called Great Britain. Being resentful doesn’t change the fact! " You used the terms interchangeably and chose St George's day as a hook to hang a conversation about being British on. They're the unchangeable facts. | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? So you've gone and used Engliah and British as if its interchangeable, therefore alienting Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish as if they were merely colonies. If you'd kept your question referencing St George's Day as "what defines English" it's a slightly different question. English is British, as is Scottish, Welsh and N Irish. I made an aside about being English but my question is about being British. Much as people may dislike it, we are one nation called Great Britain. Being resentful doesn’t change the fact! " Don't get me wrong mate, I know what you meant to say, it just could have been worded better. Me personally, I'm a Shetlander first, Scottish second and British third. | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? So you've gone and used Engliah and British as if its interchangeable, therefore alienting Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish as if they were merely colonies. If you'd kept your question referencing St George's Day as "what defines English" it's a slightly different question. English is British, as is Scottish, Welsh and N Irish. I made an aside about being English but my question is about being British. Much as people may dislike it, we are one nation called Great Britain. Being resentful doesn’t change the fact! Don't get me wrong mate, I know what you meant to say, it just could have been worded better. Me personally, I'm a Shetlander first, Scottish second and British third." What TM is not as good with words as we think ? | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? So you've gone and used Engliah and British as if its interchangeable, therefore alienting Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish as if they were merely colonies. If you'd kept your question referencing St George's Day as "what defines English" it's a slightly different question. English is British, as is Scottish, Welsh and N Irish. I made an aside about being English but my question is about being British. Much as people may dislike it, we are one nation called Great Britain. Being resentful doesn’t change the fact! Don't get me wrong mate, I know what you meant to say, it just could have been worded better. Me personally, I'm a Shetlander first, Scottish second and British third." Also starting off the post with happy St George’s day fabbers, then asking what it means to be British wasn't the way I'd gone. If I'd come on and said happy St Andrews day and asked the same question, I think I'd have got the same reaction for others outside Scotland. | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? So you've gone and used Engliah and British as if its interchangeable, therefore alienting Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish as if they were merely colonies. If you'd kept your question referencing St George's Day as "what defines English" it's a slightly different question. English is British, as is Scottish, Welsh and N Irish. I made an aside about being English but my question is about being British. Much as people may dislike it, we are one nation called Great Britain. Being resentful doesn’t change the fact! You used the terms interchangeably and chose St George's day as a hook to hang a conversation about being British on. They're the unchangeable facts." Ok. So I’m not allowed to start thinking about being British on St George’s day? If you’re insulted by being included with England, then I apologise | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? So you've gone and used Engliah and British as if its interchangeable, therefore alienting Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish as if they were merely colonies. If you'd kept your question referencing St George's Day as "what defines English" it's a slightly different question. English is British, as is Scottish, Welsh and N Irish. I made an aside about being English but my question is about being British. Much as people may dislike it, we are one nation called Great Britain. Being resentful doesn’t change the fact! You used the terms interchangeably and chose St George's day as a hook to hang a conversation about being British on. They're the unchangeable facts. Ok. So I’m not allowed to start thinking about being British on St George’s day? If you’re insulted by being included with England, then I apologise " Not insulted at all, and you're absolutely allowed... but as I said earlier, conflating English with British is wrong and does smack of arrogance. The fact that you didn't realise there was a difference, and don't seem to realise that it is a mistake to use these two interchangeably, pretty much illustrates the arrogance. I get it, it's understandable, England has been the regional cultural dominant force for centuries, but it's wrong. | |||
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"Happy St George’s day to fellow fabbers! On this most vague and typically understated of national days, I’ve been wondering; what is it to be British? It’s no secret that we as the English nation are amongst the most disliked internationally (thanks colonialism) but beyond that, I often hear about the British sense of humour, our collective ‘spirit’, our obsession with tea... So what do you think defines being British? So you've gone and used Engliah and British as if its interchangeable, therefore alienting Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish as if they were merely colonies. If you'd kept your question referencing St George's Day as "what defines English" it's a slightly different question. English is British, as is Scottish, Welsh and N Irish. I made an aside about being English but my question is about being British. Much as people may dislike it, we are one nation called Great Britain. Being resentful doesn’t change the fact! You used the terms interchangeably and chose St George's day as a hook to hang a conversation about being British on. They're the unchangeable facts. Ok. So I’m not allowed to start thinking about being British on St George’s day? If you’re insulted by being included with England, then I apologise " Honestly, I'm not insulted mate. I couldn't care who's day it was, I'm not that patriotic unless we're playing England lol. Like I say I'm a Shetlander first and foremost. If it wasn't that we were given away as a wedding present, I'd be Scandinavian lol | |||
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