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"Stuck up toffs? or just so detached from reality?"
Gold-medal winning stuck up toffs you mean? Apart from Charlotte Dujardin, who isn't a stuck up toff (born in Enfield, left school at 16) and has got where she is though her parent's sacrifice and her own merit. |
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what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
Bought theier success horse bloodlines etc...
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport."
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"Stuck up toffs? or just so detached from reality?
Gold-medal winning stuck up toffs you mean? Apart from Charlotte Dujardin, who isn't a stuck up toff (born in Enfield, left school at 16) and has got where she is though her parent's sacrifice and her own merit."
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Stuck up toffs? or just so detached from reality?
But surely the reality is, you can be a Toff without being stuck-up….!.
Yes, im asking about the Equestrian set
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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"what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport.
Bought their success horse bloodlines etc...
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And you don't think the bikes the cyclists won all their medals with cost a hell of a lot of money too then? Every one custom built for each cyclist! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
Bought theier success horse bloodlines etc...
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport."
bought their success???? do you realise how hard these people work to be good at what they do???? the horse doesnt win it you know, it takes skill and very hard work to get there.
you ever been the top in the world at any sport?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stuck up toffs? or just so detached from reality?"
There is a perception they are toffs by some but I think you will find more of the Olympic sailors and rowers are toffs than equestrians. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm a horsey person. Love them and I went to a very grotty comprehensive school and my degree is from an old poly. "
well said.
I cant understand why people think that if you have a horse you are somehow stuck up and detached from the real world.. i know loads of horsey people and they are as down to earth as the next man and they work bloody hard too. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
Bought theier success horse bloodlines etc...
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport.
bought their success???? do you realise how hard these people work to be good at what they do???? the horse doesnt win it you know, it takes skill and very hard work to get there.
you ever been the top in the world at any sport??"
I only posed the question after hearing a few of them being interviewed, the horse would give a better interview. |
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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"what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
Bought theier success horse bloodlines etc...
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport.
bought their success???? do you realise how hard these people work to be good at what they do???? the horse doesnt win it you know, it takes skill and very hard work to get there.
you ever been the top in the world at any sport??
I only posed the question after hearing a few of them being interviewed, the horse would give a better interview."
You've missed the point i.e. they dont have to be good at being interviewed to win their medals, they need to be good at training and controlling their horses!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
Bought theier success horse bloodlines etc...
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport.
bought their success???? do you realise how hard these people work to be good at what they do???? the horse doesnt win it you know, it takes skill and very hard work to get there.
you ever been the top in the world at any sport??I only posed the question after hearing a few of them being interviewed, the horse would give a better interview."
so because they may be educated and speak the queens english, they are stuck up toffs?????
much rather listen to them than the ones that cant string a sentence together..
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By (user no longer on site)
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You've missed the point i.e. they dont have to be good at being interviewed to win their medals, they need to be good at training and controlling their horses! "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport.
Bought their success horse bloodlines etc...
And you don't think the bikes the cyclists won all their medals with cost a hell of a lot of money too then? Every one custom built for each cyclist!"
Good point, but the bikes will be scrapped n recycled, the poor horses will go to glue, n all the other horses bred n not quite up to standard where are they, cruel i say! |
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
Tayside |
"what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport.
Bought their success horse bloodlines etc...
And you don't think the bikes the cyclists won all their medals with cost a hell of a lot of money too then? Every one custom built for each cyclist!
Good point, but the bikes will be scrapped n recycled, the poor horses will go to glue, n all the other horses bred n not quite up to standard where are they, cruel i say!"
They are being recycled into glue!
PS - That was a tongue in cheek comment just in case anyone misses it!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport.
Bought their success horse bloodlines etc...
And you don't think the bikes the cyclists won all their medals with cost a hell of a lot of money too then? Every one custom built for each cyclist!Good point, but the bikes will be scrapped n recycled, the poor horses will go to glue, n all the other horses bred n not quite up to standard where are they, cruel i say!"
not exactly sure who is detached from reality here...!!
for one, the bikes are the same as they have been using for the last 4 years and as for the horses, they pretty much all go out to retirement and live peaceful lives out in the country. They dont just get put down if they dont make the grade. Horse people are caring people and treat their horses like family members |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"with interactive tv there's no need to watch any event you don't want to.
personally I love horses, but then I come from a Newmarket family.
Wolf
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Correct but im a news buff n i think they get a tad more coverage when news is on as most like me hit the remote button for another channel when the equestrian is on,Sickly sweet royals quaffing |
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"what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport.
Bought their success horse bloodlines etc...
And you don't think the bikes the cyclists won all their medals with cost a hell of a lot of money too then? Every one custom built for each cyclist!Good point, but the bikes will be scrapped n recycled, the poor horses will go to glue, n all the other horses bred n not quite up to standard where are they, cruel i say!"
How do you figure that one out? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm a horsey person. Love them and I went to a very grotty comprehensive school and my degree is from an old poly.
well said.
I cant understand why people think that if you have a horse you are somehow stuck up and detached from the real world.. i know loads of horsey people and they are as down to earth as the next man and they work bloody hard too."
Equestrian set i refer to, not the donkey ,pony genuine animal lovers out there. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
Bought theier success horse bloodlines etc...
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport.
bought their success???? do you realise how hard these people work to be good at what they do???? the horse doesnt win it you know, it takes skill and very hard work to get there.
you ever been the top in the world at any sport??
I only posed the question after hearing a few of them being interviewed, the horse would give a better interview.
You've missed the point i.e. they dont have to be good at being interviewed to win their medals, they need to be good at training and controlling their horses! "
I dont dipute their horseperson ship, its there toffy nosed detached from reality when interviewed therafter |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"with interactive tv there's no need to watch any event you don't want to.
personally I love horses, but then I come from a Newmarket family.
Wolf
Correct but im a news buff n i think they get a tad more coverage when news is on as most like me hit the remote button for another channel when the equestrian is on,Sickly sweet royals quaffing"
oh dear.... i think i losing the plot here. 
every single medal winner has had their TV time and there has certainly not been any favouritism towards the equastrian. There is one member of the royals in the team and of course her relatives will be there watching. The roylas have been at lots of different events.
i just dont see where you are coming from to be honest mate.
anyway food beckons....
have fun everyone |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm a horsey person. Love them and I went to a very grotty comprehensive school and my degree is from an old poly.
well said.
I cant understand why people think that if you have a horse you are somehow stuck up and detached from the real world.. i know loads of horsey people and they are as down to earth as the next man and they work bloody hard too.Equestrian set i refer to, not the donkey ,pony genuine animal lovers out there."
My cousin competes in 3 day evening and works in equestrian sports. I'm not sure she would appreciate being referred to as a stuck up toff as a single mother to 2 kids paying the bills. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So I understand Jordan (
Katie Price) takes part in Equestrian events.
And she's a stuck up toff is she...?
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she's had a couple of toffs stuck up her (allegedly)
I don't understand dressage. It looks like a competition to see who has the best dancing horse.
Probably more at home on Britain's Got Talent |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"I don't understand dressage. It looks like a competition to see who has the best dancing horse.
Probably more at home on Britain's Got Talent"
Radio 2 did a survey about which sport should be included in the Olympics next and Dancing with Dogs won! I'd pay to see that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"what?? is the olympics the domain of the common man then???
olympics are open to everyone..
The lad who came 4th in 400m hurdles went to Eton. is he a stuck up toff too??? or most of the rowing team who went to red brick universities??
Bought theier success horse bloodlines etc...
get a grip man... regardless of background we should be proud of them for beating the world in their chosen sport.
bought their success???? do you realise how hard these people work to be good at what they do???? the horse doesnt win it you know, it takes skill and very hard work to get there.
you ever been the top in the world at any sport??
I only posed the question after hearing a few of them being interviewed, the horse would give a better interview.
You've missed the point i.e. they dont have to be good at being interviewed to win their medals, they need to be good at training and controlling their horses! I dont dipute their horseperson ship, its there toffy nosed detached from reality when interviewed therafter"
please explain why they are detached from reality!!!! so they sound posh.. so what??? they are normal people you know. as i said i am not sure who is detached here...you or them... |
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I must be a toff then... nope got sent to secondry school... had a great upbringing. My parents worked so bloody hard from morning to night and I am proud of what my parents achieved through their careers with horses.. I trust in what you are saying that you have concrete evidence that they are toffs... I have met one of the riders in the team on many occasions and trust me he aint no toff|!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So I understand Jordan (
Katie Price) takes part in Equestrian events.
And she's a stuck up toff is she...?
she's had a couple of toffs stuck up her (allegedly)
I don't understand dressage. It looks like a competition to see who has the best dancing horse.
Probably more at home on Britain's Got Talent"
Thats a case of her buying into the Equestrian set awful behaviour, she prob looks after her own horese though. |
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"I must be a toff then... nope got sent to secondry school... had a great upbringing. My parents worked so bloody hard from morning to night and I am proud of what my parents achieved through their careers with horses.. I trust in what you are saying that you have concrete evidence that they are toffs... I have met one of the riders in the team on many occasions and trust me he aint no toff|!!"
yeeaaahhhh.. someone who is attached to reality... well said....
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"I must be a toff then... nope got sent to secondry school... had a great upbringing. My parents worked so bloody hard from morning to night and I am proud of what my parents achieved through their careers with horses.. I trust in what you are saying that you have concrete evidence that they are toffs... I have met one of the riders in the team on many occasions and trust me he aint no toff|!!"
When did this turn into hardship stories? i posed question as result of interview on news thaats all
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Probably more at home on Britain's Got TalentThats a case of her buying into the Equestrian set awful behaviour, she prob looks after her own horese though."
what 'awful' behaviour? |
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Probably more at home on Britain's Got TalentThats a case of her buying into the Equestrian set awful behaviour, she prob looks after her own horese though. Mrs Andre/ Reed/ jordan buying her way into equestrian
what 'awful' behaviour?"
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"Stuck up toffs? or just so detached from reality?
is someone jealous they never got to ride a donley on the beach when they were a kid???
I want a donley too! (whatever they are) "
oh sod off!! 
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"I must be a toff then... nope got sent to secondry school... had a great upbringing. My parents worked so bloody hard from morning to night and I am proud of what my parents achieved through their careers with horses.. I trust in what you are saying that you have concrete evidence that they are toffs... I have met one of the riders in the team on many occasions and trust me he aint no toff|!!When did this turn into hardship stories? i posed question as result of interview on news thaats all"
no you didnt, you said they were either stuck up toffs or detached from reality!!!! |
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"The one being interviewed on BBC1 just now has just said it took her gran dying for her family to be able to afford to get her a horse! 
Now is that really a toff then?
Prob not at moment give it till next Olympics n then see the interview "
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"I must be a toff then... nope got sent to secondry school... had a great upbringing. My parents worked so bloody hard from morning to night and I am proud of what my parents achieved through their careers with horses.. I trust in what you are saying that you have concrete evidence that they are toffs... I have met one of the riders in the team on many occasions and trust me he aint no toff|!!"
Thankyou dear |
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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"The one being interviewed on BBC1 just now has just said it took her gran dying for her family to be able to afford to get her a horse!
Now is that really a toff then?
Prob not at moment give it till next Olympics n then see the interview "
How will the next Olympics change the fact that her gran had to die for her family to then be able to afford to get her the horse? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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It does cost money to be able to afford to do the horsey things. But most of the sports that use any sort of 'equipment' do now. Those bikes ain't cheap!
Your assertion seems to come from how people have presented themselves during their interviews. The sports kit for dressage isn't a tracksuit. Yes, presenting people looking smart in certain types of clothing will make some think they are toffs.
The other part seems to be about how they sound in their interviews. Those that know me will attest that to many I sound posh. But I grew up in Hackney, going to state schools and had a very poor working class upbringing.
Don't judge them by their dress and accents. Listen to what they say and if their actions are that of stuck up toffs then fair enough. Not much in the interviews has led me to the conclusion that they are competing just because they had money and haven't had to word hard to make the team. |
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"The one being interviewed on BBC1 just now has just said it took her gran dying for her family to be able to afford to get her a horse!
Now is that really a toff then?
Prob not at moment give it till next Olympics n then see the interview
How will the next Olympics change the fact that her gran had to die for her family to then be able to afford to get her the horse? "
dont you know....toffs dont ride the same horse twice
its like a woman not wearing the same dress twice when going to a party |
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I dont dipute their horseperson ship, its there toffy nosed detached from reality when interviewed therafter"
Your comments smack of inverted snobbery. They will have put in as much effort as any sports person there. How sad it is that their achievements are dismissed because someone thinks the fact they don't sound common enough or sound too posh makes them detached from reality. Do you seriously think you would interview impressively if you had a microphone stuck in your face just as you won an Olympic gold? I doubt it and I would hope people would cut you some slack knowing your emotions must be all over the place.
We get to see sports peple interview dsy in day out, all year, footballers in particularly. I hope to God you are not saying they should be the benchmark for post event interviewing greatness with a grasp on reality!! |
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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"The one being interviewed on BBC1 just now has just said it took her gran dying for her family to be able to afford to get her a horse!
Now is that really a toff then?
Prob not at moment give it till next Olympics n then see the interview
How will the next Olympics change the fact that her gran had to die for her family to then be able to afford to get her the horse?
dont you know....toffs dont ride the same horse twice
its like a woman not wearing the same dress twice when going to a party"
Ah ok I forgot they get recycled into glue after each competition, silly me!
PS - Another tongue in cheek comment. |
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By *b430Man
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"The one being interviewed on BBC1 just now has just said it took her gran dying for her family to be able to afford to get her a horse!
Now is that really a toff then?
Prob not at moment give it till next Olympics n then see the interview
How will the next Olympics change the fact that her gran had to die for her family to then be able to afford to get her the horse?
dont you know....toffs dont ride the same horse twice
its like a woman not wearing the same dress twice when going to a party
Ah ok I forgot they get recycled into glue after each competition, silly me!
PS - Another tongue in cheek comment. "
PPS (for clarity) - The horses get recycled into glue, not the women! |
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"The one being interviewed on BBC1 just now has just said it took her gran dying for her family to be able to afford to get her a horse!
Now is that really a toff then?
Prob not at moment give it till next Olympics n then see the interview
How will the next Olympics change the fact that her gran had to die for her family to then be able to afford to get her the horse?
dont you know....toffs dont ride the same horse twice
its like a woman not wearing the same dress twice when going to a party
Ah ok I forgot they get recycled into glue after each competition, silly me!
PS - Another tongue in cheek comment.
PPS (for clarity) - The horses get recycled into glue, not the women! "
the women have to go on the game to pay off the debt they accrue buying the horses and accessories |
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"I must be a toff then... nope got sent to secondry school... had a great upbringing. My parents worked so bloody hard from morning to night and I am proud of what my parents achieved through their careers with horses.. I trust in what you are saying that you have concrete evidence that they are toffs... I have met one of the riders in the team on many occasions and trust me he aint no toff|!!When did this turn into hardship stories? i posed question as result of interview on news thaats all
no you didnt, you said they were either stuck up toffs or detached from reality!!!!"
The 2 ? question marks denotes its a question, didnt state anything. their interviews in my opinon are detached from reality |
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"The one being interviewed on BBC1 just now has just said it took her gran dying for her family to be able to afford to get her a horse!
Now is that really a toff then?
Prob not at moment give it till next Olympics n then see the interview
How will the next Olympics change the fact that her gran had to die for her family to then be able to afford to get her the horse? "
Her mum was on when she won. They had no money behind them other than she had a show pony and yes you can get them cheap.
she then went on to say that that her mum (the young ladies nan)died and left her enough money to buy a horse. Even though it wasnt that expensive the lady who won the gold did very well on it.
she got where she was winning gold as her mum had asked another British rider to give her daughter lessons.
He put her on one of HIS horses in fact it was the one she won on.
So no she's not a toff as you put it. I think she had the princes trust behind her as it was constantly mentioned. |
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"I must be a toff then... nope got sent to secondry school... had a great upbringing. My parents worked so bloody hard from morning to night and I am proud of what my parents achieved through their careers with horses.. I trust in what you are saying that you have concrete evidence that they are toffs... I have met one of the riders in the team on many occasions and trust me he aint no toff|!!When did this turn into hardship stories? i posed question as result of interview on news thaats all
no you didnt, you said they were either stuck up toffs or detached from reality!!!!The 2 ? question marks denotes its a question, didnt state anything. their interviews in my opinon are detached from reality"
well you may be entitled to that opinion but i have just watched it back on catch up and i still havent a clue what you are talking about....
and you have still yet to explain with any rational argument why you felt that the interview showed them to be detached from reality..
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One explanation of the term “Toff” relates it’s origin to the toffee coloured snots that would spontaneously appear from the noses of people taking snuff….. Which gave rise to the term Toffee-nosed ….
It is also suggested that while these so called toffee-nosed individuals held their heads slightly tilted backwards attempting to stem the flow of snot, they appeared to be looking down on people in their company who didn’t have the financial means to also snort-suff
Never tried the stuff myself like...
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I must be a toff then... nope got sent to secondry school... had a great upbringing. My parents worked so bloody hard from morning to night and I am proud of what my parents achieved through their careers with horses.. I trust in what you are saying that you have concrete evidence that they are toffs... I have met one of the riders in the team on many occasions and trust me he aint no toff|!!When did this turn into hardship stories? i posed question as result of interview on news thaats all
no you didnt, you said they were either stuck up toffs or detached from reality!!!!The 2 ? question marks denotes its a question, didnt state anything. their interviews in my opinon are detached from reality"
Actually, I think all of the athletes/competitors are a little detached from your (or my) reality. They have spent the last few years preparing for these few short weeks. The run up to the Games has been spent in isolation from family and friends and spent with coaches and other athletes/competitors.
They are then interviewed at the moment when their adrenalin has peaked and they are at their most emotional. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That was an intense half hour, on a lighter note any tips for next years Grand national?"
well whoever doesnt win will obviously be boiled down as glue!!!! |
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Most of the horses used in the British team are not owned by the riders, but are instead loaned by the owners to the rider.
For example, one of the horses (Skeltons mount I think) is owned by Lord and Lady Harris.
Last year they were offered a small fortune for the horse by a German stable, in all likelyhood so that the horse would have been appearing in the German team in these olympics.
Also many of the riders come from farming families....
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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"Stuck up toffs?
Detached from reality?
YES yes
yes no
no no
no yes
Where is all the love?"
I think there was loads of love shown for both the Riders and their Horses throughout this thread! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Stuck up toffs?
Detached from reality?
YES yes
yes no
no no
no yes
Where is all the love?
I think there was loads of love shown for both the Riders and their Horses throughout this thread! "
Yep didnt expect such a rough ride,ill rein it in next time i dare post a topic alot of responsibilty answering ,feel drained  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"with interactive tv there's no need to watch any event you don't want to.
personally I love horses, but then I come from a Newmarket family.
Wolf
Correct but im a news buff n i think they get a tad more coverage when news is on as most like me hit the remote button for another channel when the equestrian is on,Sickly sweet royals quaffing"
Well I for one think that our teams have done fantastic at this Olympics and pity anyone who poo-poo's their efforts - in fact, give 'em the Harvey Smiths!
I'd say that for anyone who wants the easy job of criticising, that participating is a harder effort in itself. Whether the sport is of your own preference or not, you should be basking in the golden afterglow that Team GB as a whole have achieved this Olympics. We will be remembering their achievements for years to come yet.
What they need now more than anything is the momentum of the people to make sure efforts go into producing athletes for the next one. We have truly pulled off a wonder on a tight budget, and this nation should be proud of them... all of them.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Sport is supposed to be a great leveller.I couldn't care less if someone representing our country went to Eton and Oxford or the local comp and wormwood scrubs. It doesn't matter one iota |
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"Stuck up toffs? or just so detached from reality?"
Do you know years and years of work go into get there horses and themself to this level you have no a clue.. your not born to do this nor is the horse .. its every day out in the cold and rain and getting up at 4 / 5 / 6 in the morning going miles to shows all around the country .. yes it take money but if thats your love ... you put everything into it ... alot of them horses you see are years old .. and for them it have taken a life time to achieve this .. and yes i show and jump and around the country so i know ..
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Mersey man...I take it you dont bother with the rugger' then?
Is it their fault they have or were born into bagfulls of money?..yes it pisses me off no end that most ordinary kids will never get the chance to play Hockey at senior club level, be able to compete in the yachting, or horse riding..but how many 'toffs' get the chance to box or play football?
To be able to excel and succeed in most sports you need money.. I know a few kids who couldnt make the commonwealth squads because their parents couldnt afford to take them training 4 mornings a week and nearly every evening...I knew teenagers who were excellent marks men and women..but couldnt afford to lay out for their own pistols..(500 quid back in the eighties)...
Its very hard for some kids to get into sport..how many working class Tennis players do you know of?..
Its just the way it goes..good luck to these people I say..we should be proud of their achievements and dedication to their sport.
Not trying to give you a rough ride fella..but its not that cut and dry..and remember its all relative too...it hurts a family who have an income of 100k a year for them to buy a horse as much as it does a family who have an income of 15 grand a year to buy an Epee or a Foil and all the rest of the gear required.. |
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Looking at all the games not all of them was born with a silver spoon in there mouths. Its rear most work hard and thay have a gift and people see that and take them on ... look at the Black girl who won boxing today .. a normal family from 12 boxing and working hard . she was not the only one ....... the girl who won gold Dressage had very little money ... one of her family died thay got her a pony with some of the money left to them and she had a gift for Dressage its a very hard sport and maybe people think horse do everything no the rider tells him what to do .. and she got as far as she could on her own and Carl Hester steped in to offer her his horses as he could see how good she was and had a gift.... The people have a love and a gift for there sports why thay are there the best in the world ... and no matter how much money you have cant give you that .. and no horse can .. with out the best rider . |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"Looking at all the games not all of them was born with a silver spoon in there mouths. Its rear most work hard and thay have a gift and people see that and take them on ... look at the Black girl who won boxing today .. a normal family from 12 boxing and working hard . she was not the only one ....... the girl who won gold Dressage had very little money ... one of her family died thay got her a pony with some of the money left to them and she had a gift for Dressage its a very hard sport and maybe people think horse do everything no the rider tells him what to do .. and she got as far as she could on her own and Carl Hester steped in to offer her his horses as he could see how good she was and had a gift.... The people have a love and a gift for there sports why thay are there the best in the world ... and no matter how much money you have cant give you that .. and no horse can .. with out the best rider . "
Absolutely spot on. I attended a lecture recently by a professor of neuroscience who, in a nutshell confirmed that success is 20% genetic (talent) and 80% hard work... so people from all sorts of backgrounds should have a chance . |
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Sorry but why do people presume that people with horses have money ? Most of the competitors dont own the horses and rely heavily in sponsorship !!
A lot of hard works goes into getting those dressage horses to where they are now!! Work and time! |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"Sorry but why do people presume that people with horses have money ? Most of the competitors dont own the horses and rely heavily in sponsorship !!
A lot of hard works goes into getting those dressage horses to where they are now!! Work and time! "
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Looking at all the games not all of them was born with a silver spoon in there mouths. Its rear most work hard and thay have a gift and people see that and take them on ... look at the Black girl who won boxing today .. a normal family from 12 boxing and working hard . she was not the only one ....... the girl who won gold Dressage had very little money ... one of her family died thay got her a pony with some of the money left to them and she had a gift for Dressage its a very hard sport and maybe people think horse do everything no the rider tells him what to do .. and she got as far as she could on her own and Carl Hester steped in to offer her his horses as he could see how good she was and had a gift.... The people have a love and a gift for there sports why thay are there the best in the world ... and no matter how much money you have cant give you that .. and no horse can .. with out the best rider .
Absolutely spot on. I attended a lecture recently by a professor of neuroscience who, in a nutshell confirmed that success is 20% genetic (talent) and 80% hard work... so people from all sorts of backgrounds should have a chance ."
That is, I hope, is the real legacy of the Olympics: young people learning that success comes from real hard work and dedication and not from being on a reality show.
I heard a piece on the radio that said a web-site helping people to find their closest gymnastics club has gone from 40-50 hits a week to 3,000 in a day. |
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Theres definitely only person in this whole thread thats detached from reality and its the OP.
Talk about ignorance!
Until hes number one in the world for his chosen career, maybe he should zip it and save his class segregation theories for others.
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"Theres definitely only person in this whole thread thats detached from reality and its the OP.
Talk about ignorance!
Until hes number one in the world for his chosen career, maybe he should zip it and save his class segregation theories for others.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stuck up toffs? or just so detached from reality?"
You should go to a horse show see for yourself and then you may see .. my local show. Some have no horse box thay ride on the road 5 miles before thay start to jump and do things .
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"Mersey man...I take it you dont bother with the rugger' then?
Is it their fault they have or were born into bagfulls of money?..yes it pisses me off no end that most ordinary kids will never get the chance to play Hockey at senior club level, be able to compete in the yachting, or horse riding..but how many 'toffs' get the chance to box or play football?
To be able to excel and succeed in most sports you need money.. I know a few kids who couldnt make the commonwealth squads because their parents couldnt afford to take them training 4 mornings a week and nearly every evening...I knew teenagers who were excellent marks men and women..but couldnt afford to lay out for their own pistols..(500 quid back in the eighties)...
Its very hard for some kids to get into sport..how many working class Tennis players do you know of?..
Its just the way it goes..good luck to these people I say..we should be proud of their achievements and dedication to their sport.
Not trying to give you a rough ride fella..but its not that cut and dry..and remember its all relative too...it hurts a family who have an income of 100k a year for them to buy a horse as much as it does a family who have an income of 15 grand a year to buy an Epee or a Foil and all the rest of the gear required.."
if a parent believes in their child enough it doesnt matter how much money they earn they will find a way to get them where they need to be.
There are lots of athletes/sports me and women whose family have got into debt, worked 4 jobs, flogged the family silver etc just to get to see their child run/swim/ride/sail their way to glory.
yes there needs to be a lot more investment in our sports programmes as we are still outclassed in the majority of track/field/swimming events which are the 'star events' but where there is a will there is a way |
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"Theres definitely only person in this whole thread thats detached from reality and its the OP.
Talk about ignorance!
Until hes number one in the world for his chosen career, maybe he should zip it and save his class segregation theories for others.
Its a question not a theory . "
No it isn't.
You've only given two choices, both of which are leading towards the same derogatory conclusion. A proper question designed to gather the forum opinion would have been something like 'what does everyone think of the equestrian gold medal winning tream?' you're just looking for people to confirm your theory, which you've put forward in many subsequent posts following your initial one, that being because they have a plumb accent and competed with horses, that they are stuck up toffs or detached from reality. You other observations that the losing horses are just made into glue is simply stupid.
Do you honestly think that circumstance and background automatically makes you stuck-up? |
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"Mersey man...I take it you dont bother with the rugger' then?
Is it their fault they have or were born into bagfulls of money?..yes it pisses me off no end that most ordinary kids will never get the chance to play Hockey at senior club level, be able to compete in the yachting, or horse riding..but how many 'toffs' get the chance to box or play football?
To be able to excel and succeed in most sports you need money.. I know a few kids who couldnt make the commonwealth squads because their parents couldnt afford to take them training 4 mornings a week and nearly every evening...I knew teenagers who were excellent marks men and women..but couldnt afford to lay out for their own pistols..(500 quid back in the eighties)...
Its very hard for some kids to get into sport..how many working class Tennis players do you know of?..
Its just the way it goes..good luck to these people I say..we should be proud of their achievements and dedication to their sport.
Not trying to give you a rough ride fella..but its not that cut and dry..and remember its all relative too...it hurts a family who have an income of 100k a year for them to buy a horse as much as it does a family who have an income of 15 grand a year to buy an Epee or a Foil and all the rest of the gear required..
if a parent believes in their child enough it doesnt matter how much money they earn they will find a way to get them where they need to be.
There are lots of athletes/sports me and women whose family have got into debt, worked 4 jobs, flogged the family silver etc just to get to see their child run/swim/ride/sail their way to glory.
yes there needs to be a lot more investment in our sports programmes as we are still outclassed in the majority of track/field/swimming events which are the 'star events' but where there is a will there is a way"
Where there a will theres a way ... and your so so right xxx |
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You're talking rubbish OP, I'm on the committee of a local riding club and we have people from all walks of life competing. They all have to put the work in and believe me the footballers children do not beat the normal children unless they have the talent! If you still think you're right, come and see for yourself, it's on the Wirral. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Stuck up toffs? or just so detached from reality?"
I think you have had a hard time on here.
Ok your post isn't the best worded post I have seen....but having been around horses for years I agree there are some stuck up people who have horses but there are also lots of people who have horses who are not stuck up. It can also bring out real bitches in this hobby.
Swings and roundabouts, like everything in life. |
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"Toffs? At the Olympics? The founder of the modern Olympic movement, Pierre, Baron de Coubertin will surely be turning in his ancestral grave..."
that's funny |
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"Stuck up toffs? or just so detached from reality?"
All horsey stuff... no. Remember even pikeys have horses.
But as one of the team GB guys said (in so many words) when it comes to the horsey dancing stuff, it is very rare for someone like the new girl from an ordinary background to get involved because of the cost. He went on to say how difficult it is getting to keep the horses as the people who actually own them(as an asset) are being offered large amounts of money to sell them off to other countries.
I quite liked watching the horsey dancing, but I am not sure the rider should get the medal or if it should be an olympic sport.... I have mixed views. One rider actually said the horse nearly did the routine by itself.
It's not like cycling... you could put all the riders on shit bikes and they would still have a race.
Put all the horsey dancer riders on shit horses and they'd be fucked. |
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"So I understand Jordan (
Katie Price) takes part in Equestrian events.
And she's a stuck up toff is she...?
she's had a couple of toffs stuck up her (allegedly)
I don't understand dressage. It looks like a competition to see who has the best dancing horse.
Probably more at home on Britain's Got Talent"
what looks like ease and elegance takes years of traing and patience just like gymnastics it may look efffortless but takes huge amounts of discipline and control all the signals from rider to horse are done very subtly so it may appear that the rider is just sitting there on a dancing horse but it is a partnership built on trust and understanding, |
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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago
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"So I understand Jordan (
Katie Price) takes part in Equestrian events.
And she's a stuck up toff is she...?
she's had a couple of toffs stuck up her (allegedly)
I don't understand dressage. It looks like a competition to see who has the best dancing horse.
Probably more at home on Britain's Got Talentwhat looks like ease and elegance takes years of traing and patience just like gymnastics it may look efffortless but takes huge amounts of discipline and control all the signals from rider to horse are done very subtly so it may appear that the rider is just sitting there on a dancing horse but it is a partnership built on trust and understanding,"
I've been around toi much to notice subtle touches |
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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago
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"You think you can get a horse to do them moves after 5 mins.. It takes years. Horses are funny creatures they to have to trust who is on their back.."
also a horse fan, and an ex rider, definitely not a toff!
There are toffs in most sports.
The riders and owners (well most owners who understand the sport) love their horses as much as they love their own kids. They live in a horsey luxury, even those who don't make the grade.
Another thing mentioned was the post interview.... I am not interested in someone who plays up to the camera and gush over the public, I prefer dignified sports people. |
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I am certainly not a horse fan, kinda scary big feckers, never been interested in Dressage and jumping but... i watched the British ladies in the Dressage and i thought it was amazing, dancing horses to patriotic tunes in the UK olympics... totally brilliant... |
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By *els_BellsWoman
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"You think you can get a horse to do them moves after 5 mins.. It takes years. Horses are funny creatures they to have to trust who is on their back..
also a horse fan, and an ex rider, definitely not a toff!
There are toffs in most sports.
The riders and owners (well most owners who understand the sport) love their horses as much as they love their own kids. They live in a horsey luxury, even those who don't make the grade.
Another thing mentioned was the post interview.... I am not interested in someone who plays up to the camera and gush over the public, I prefer dignified sports people."
And I apologise for any innuendos in this post. |
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I do understand it takes years of training to get a horse to look like it is dancing to music and I really did enjoy watching it...... but it's not the riders who spent years training the horse. Didn't one rider say they only had one chance to run through the whole routine with the horse they were riding? Which means someone else did the really hard work....... may be they should be the ones who get the medal? |
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"I do understand it takes years of training to get a horse to look like it is dancing to music and I really did enjoy watching it...... but it's not the riders who spent years training the horse. Didn't one rider say they only had one chance to run through the whole routine with the horse they were riding? Which means someone else did the really hard work....... may be they should be the ones who get the medal?"
What about poor old Dobbins, he's had to put up with someone hollering at him for years and years to do some silly sideways dance when all he wants to really do is RUN ... and JUMP... and frollick about. Give Dobbins the blimmin medal, he's earned it. |
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"I do understand it takes years of training to get a horse to look like it is dancing to music and I really did enjoy watching it...... but it's not the riders who spent years training the horse. Didn't one rider say they only had one chance to run through the whole routine with the horse they were riding? Which means someone else did the really hard work....... may be they should be the ones who get the medal?
What about poor old Dobbins, he's had to put up with someone hollering at him for years and years to do some silly sideways dance when all he wants to really do is RUN ... and JUMP... and frollick about. Give Dobbins the blimmin medal, he's earned it. "
Now that's why I am in two minds about if horsey dancing should even be in the Olympics... it is the horse which deserves the medal........ but once you start letting animals win medals, Bolt will find himself in lane 4 with an ostrich in lane 3 and a fucking big cat eyeing him up from lane 5. |
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"I do understand it takes years of training to get a horse to look like it is dancing to music and I really did enjoy watching it...... but it's not the riders who spent years training the horse. Didn't one rider say they only had one chance to run through the whole routine with the horse they were riding? Which means someone else did the really hard work....... may be they should be the ones who get the medal?"
If its that easy for the rider why dont you put your name down for the next international competition?
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By *els_BellsWoman
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"I do understand it takes years of training to get a horse to look like it is dancing to music and I really did enjoy watching it...... but it's not the riders who spent years training the horse. Didn't one rider say they only had one chance to run through the whole routine with the horse they were riding? Which means someone else did the really hard work....... may be they should be the ones who get the medal?
What about poor old Dobbins, he's had to put up with someone hollering at him for years and years to do some silly sideways dance when all he wants to really do is RUN ... and JUMP... and frollick about. Give Dobbins the blimmin medal, he's earned it.
Now that's why I am in two minds about if horsey dancing should even be in the Olympics... it is the horse which deserves the medal........ but once you start letting animals win medals, Bolt will find himself in lane 4 with an ostrich in lane 3 and a fucking big cat eyeing him up from lane 5."
I do think the horses deserve more than a rosette, and Im sure they get a lot of treats, but its all about control for the riders, even more for the trainers.
I love the dressage, as it fascinates me, just as much as dancing dogs on BGT does |
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"I do understand it takes years of training to get a horse to look like it is dancing to music and I really did enjoy watching it...... but it's not the riders who spent years training the horse. Didn't one rider say they only had one chance to run through the whole routine with the horse they were riding? Which means someone else did the really hard work....... may be they should be the ones who get the medal?"
The riders have to train with their horse, it's a partnership built on trust and that takes time.
Sometimes if you ride the whole test through the horse then know's it and may pre-empt the riders instructions. That's maybe why they'd only ridden the complete test once! |
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Sometimes if you ride the whole test through the horse then know's it and may pre-empt the riders instructions. That's maybe why they'd only ridden the complete test once!"
Then may be they should run through the routine more times and let the horse do it without a rider... that would be cool. |
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