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So I have a job in the premises I work from clearly visible to all
30/40 per week at £8.91
Down the road is a guy selling big issue with a rotwiler having spoken to him he gets a taxi to town every day to sell big issues
Another guy sit on floor outside Sainsburys in a sleeping bag drinking Costa coffee
Yet no one applies for the job
I’m not looking for employees on fab work n pleasure shouldn’t mix ect
But .....
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By *sm265Woman
over a year ago
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Not sure what the question is.
Regarding the homeless guy drinking Costa Coffee, I know my local coffee place has a system called "suspended coffees" where people can pay for drinks/food for people in need.
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So why not knock on door say give us a job ?
No rather sit on floor n beg ?
The big issue guys sold me some logs
I sell logs his price cheaper than I could buy wholesale
I said I’ll send van to collect them
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town will drop them off
How can this be right ?? |
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"So why not knock on door say give us a job ?
No rather sit on floor n beg ?
The big issue guys sold me some logs
I sell logs his price cheaper than I could buy wholesale
I said I’ll send van to collect them
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town will drop them off
How can this be right ??"
Dunno. Don't know the specifics. Maybe they can't for reasons you don't know. |
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"They don’t need a permanent address I’d provide the Bussiness address as their address
Yet no rather beg than work
It’s not right "
Go out and tell them then. Go and tell them you’d do that for them. Go and say that they’re welcome to come in straight from sleeping rough, work a full days work and then go back to sleeping rough.
Then you should probably ask if they have bank accounts, and if the dont, pay them in cash |
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"There’s a job clearing available paying around £360/400 per week why do they not apply
Rather sit on floor n beg or sell big issue pay for taxi to town and upkeep of a rotwiler "
I don't know. Why don't you ask them? |
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"I pay my staff cash
Through my accountant all legit don’t need bank accounts address showers I provide uniforms microwave toilet kettle 10 .5 hrs work per day
They still don’t won’t to work "
Do you know that? Have you asked them?
If so, do you know why they don't want to work, or are you assuming? |
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over a year ago
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"They don’t need a permanent address I’d provide the Bussiness address as their address
Yet no rather beg than work
It’s not right "
Do you know what's no right... presuming people have it easy. Saod guy sitting on the floor may have confidence issues because he hasn't brushes his teeth or been able to grab some hot water for a shower..
You people.. you do really get to me.. judging people when not in their shoes. |
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"They don’t need a permanent address I’d provide the Bussiness address as their address
Yet no rather beg than work
It’s not right
Do you know what's no right... presuming people have it easy. Saod guy sitting on the floor may have confidence issues because he hasn't brushes his teeth or been able to grab some hot water for a shower..
You people.. you do really get to me.. judging people when not in their shoes. "
Agreed |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging "
OK dude. Personally I think people with your attitude are a problem in society. Go live your life. |
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"Many homeless people have dogs, they are a source of companionship but also provide warmth when sleeping on the street & protection. "
I have a small dog cost me a fortune in food vets fees ect
A rotwiler cost minimum £50 a week at least |
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You know how many jobs I haven't applied for because I don't think I'm qualified enough, confident enough, skilled enough, a quick enough learner.
So many reasons.
So I don't, because I don't want the rejection. |
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging "
Maybe they have PTSD from serving in the army and have slipped through the cracks, are difficult to employ. Maybe they have physical issues that mean they can't do the work.
I have no idea, but I'm not going to judge people I don't know. |
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging
OK dude. Personally I think people with your attitude are a problem in society. Go live your life."
Should stop all benifits !!!!
No work no pay |
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Your comments on these people indicate you really don’t understand or empathise with this section of ‘society’ it’s incredibly difficult to engage and work with people who have fallen off the radar, people who feel let down by both people and the state. It’s not as simple as offering them a job and expecting them to jump at the chance. Maybe if you took the time to really talk to some of these people and listen you’d have a better understanding of how dehumanised they often feel. Do not judge until you fully understand a persons story. |
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging
OK dude. Personally I think people with your attitude are a problem in society. Go live your life.
Should stop all benifits !!!!
No work no pay "
So people should starve to death in a first world country?
That's a bit barbaric  |
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over a year ago
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging
OK dude. Personally I think people with your attitude are a problem in society. Go live your life.
Should stop all benifits !!!!
No work no pay "
OK. I'm out of work atm.. (start end of the month)
Haven't worked since May last year.. should I have no been able to live. Then forcing me to do exactly what you're moaning about. |
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging
OK dude. Personally I think people with your attitude are a problem in society. Go live your life.
Should stop all benifits !!!!
No work no pay
So people should starve to death in a first world country?
No need starve knock on door say I’ll do that job
That's a bit barbaric "
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging
OK dude. Personally I think people with your attitude are a problem in society. Go live your life.
Should stop all benifits !!!!
No work no pay
OK. I'm out of work atm.. (start end of the month)
Haven't worked since May last year.. should I have no been able to live. Then forcing me to do exactly what you're moaning about."
No knock on door say give me that job |
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"Get off your high horse OP
The person coming across badly here is you, not the poor people you clearly want to judge so harshly. "
No way that’s what’s wrong with this country
Easier to do nothing than work |
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By *sm265Woman
over a year ago
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Big Issue sellers are actually self employed, they have to be registered & meet certain criteria to be a seller, they buy the magazines up front and sell them at a profit.
I have a large dog, it doesn't cost me anywhere near £50 a week. |
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging "
If you honestly believe that, regarding either them as individuals or generally the homeless population, that’s very sad and frankly short sighted. There will be a range of barriers, issues, challenges and perceptions of homeless people that, it sounds like at least, you cannot comprehend.
To go back to your original point, there are some vacancies that are very difficult to fill at a time of real economic need, but that’s also a reflection of where people may be at or how the pandemic has affected them too.
A hand up to help others, is energy better spent, and trying to understand their position and experiences. |
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging
OK dude. Personally I think people with your attitude are a problem in society. Go live your life.
Should stop all benifits !!!!
No work no pay
So people should starve to death in a first world country?
That's a bit barbaric
No need starve knock on door say I’ll do that job "
And if they can't? And they know they can't?
Should they apply for the job, try, piss you off, get the sack, then starve to death? |
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging
OK dude. Personally I think people with your attitude are a problem in society. Go live your life.
Should stop all benifits !!!!
No work no pay
OK. I'm out of work atm.. (start end of the month)
Haven't worked since May last year.. should I have no been able to live. Then forcing me to do exactly what you're moaning about.
No knock on door say give me that job "
But with losing my job. And the industry I thrive in.. why would I come knock on your door. I don't have to confidence to apply to something I'd clearly struggle in or have no relevant skills..
I think you're having a bad day and you're projecting that on here about people in a worse position than you..
In my opinion you're just a horrible person through your comments.  |
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"Get off your high horse OP
The person coming across badly here is you, not the poor people you clearly want to judge so harshly.
No way that’s what’s wrong with this country
Easier to do nothing than work "
People like you are what’s wrong. No compassion, no empathy, nothing.
You clearly started this thread in hopes that others would join in with you to judge people less fortunate.
Does it make you feel good to punch down? |
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"Your comments on these people indicate you really don’t understand or empathise with this section of ‘society’ it’s incredibly difficult to engage and work with people who have fallen off the radar, people who feel let down by both people and the state. It’s not as simple as offering them a job and expecting them to jump at the chance. Maybe if you took the time to really talk to some of these people and listen you’d have a better understanding of how dehumanised they often feel. Do not judge until you fully understand a persons story. "
So I’ve spoken to the big issue seller
He said I see you sell
Logs
My mate sells logs I can supply you at a cheaper price than you pay
Ok I’ll get from you good for you as gives you a profit
I’ll send van to collect
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town I’ll bring in taxi along with dog !!!!
Come on who’s taking the piss ?? |
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If you're concerned about begging and homelessness, then support charities which help people back to work. Maybe ask a charity for the disadvantaged if they have candidates who could work for you?
If you want to moan that people are entitled for surviving without working (or working in a way you approve of), then... Sorry, zero sympathy here. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
"So why not knock on door say give us a job ?
No rather sit on floor n beg ?
The big issue guys sold me some logs
I sell logs his price cheaper than I could buy wholesale
I said I’ll send van to collect them
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town will drop them off
How can this be right ??"
Maybe he doesn't have a bank account or the mental capacity to do the job.
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"Your comments on these people indicate you really don’t understand or empathise with this section of ‘society’ it’s incredibly difficult to engage and work with people who have fallen off the radar, people who feel let down by both people and the state. It’s not as simple as offering them a job and expecting them to jump at the chance. Maybe if you took the time to really talk to some of these people and listen you’d have a better understanding of how dehumanised they often feel. Do not judge until you fully understand a persons story.
So I’ve spoken to the big issue seller
He said I see you sell
Logs
My mate sells logs I can supply you at a cheaper price than you pay
Ok I’ll get from you good for you as gives you a profit
I’ll send van to collect
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town I’ll bring in taxi along with dog !!!!
Come on who’s taking the piss ??"
You are. You're taking the piss. |
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"Get off your high horse OP
The person coming across badly here is you, not the poor people you clearly want to judge so harshly.
No way that’s what’s wrong with this country
Easier to do nothing than work
People like you are what’s wrong. No compassion, no empathy, nothing.
You clearly started this thread in hopes that others would join in with you to judge people less fortunate.
Does it make you feel good to punch down? "
No I started thread because I believe it’s wrong when I’ve got work available and no one applies
Yet people beg |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
"Your comments on these people indicate you really don’t understand or empathise with this section of ‘society’ it’s incredibly difficult to engage and work with people who have fallen off the radar, people who feel let down by both people and the state. It’s not as simple as offering them a job and expecting them to jump at the chance. Maybe if you took the time to really talk to some of these people and listen you’d have a better understanding of how dehumanised they often feel. Do not judge until you fully understand a persons story.
So I’ve spoken to the big issue seller
He said I see you sell
Logs
My mate sells logs I can supply you at a cheaper price than you pay
Ok I’ll get from you good for you as gives you a profit
I’ll send van to collect
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town I’ll bring in taxi along with dog !!!!
Come on who’s taking the piss ??"
Big Issue seller has a job, why would he want yours. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
"Get off your high horse OP
The person coming across badly here is you, not the poor people you clearly want to judge so harshly.
No way that’s what’s wrong with this country
Easier to do nothing than work
People like you are what’s wrong. No compassion, no empathy, nothing.
You clearly started this thread in hopes that others would join in with you to judge people less fortunate.
Does it make you feel good to punch down?
No I started thread because I believe it’s wrong when I’ve got work available and no one applies
Yet people beg "
Maybe they don't want to work for you. |
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"So why not knock on door say give us a job ?
No rather sit on floor n beg ?
The big issue guys sold me some logs
I sell logs his price cheaper than I could buy wholesale
I said I’ll send van to collect them
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town will drop them off
How can this be right ??
Maybe he doesn't have a bank account or the mental capacity to do the job.
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It’s a very basic shelf filling position |
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"Get off your high horse OP
The person coming across badly here is you, not the poor people you clearly want to judge so harshly.
No way that’s what’s wrong with this country
Easier to do nothing than work
People like you are what’s wrong. No compassion, no empathy, nothing.
You clearly started this thread in hopes that others would join in with you to judge people less fortunate.
Does it make you feel good to punch down?
No I started thread because I believe it’s wrong when I’ve got work available and no one applies
Yet people beg
Maybe they don't want to work for you."
They don’t won’t to work full stop |
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"So why not knock on door say give us a job ?
No rather sit on floor n beg ?
The big issue guys sold me some logs
I sell logs his price cheaper than I could buy wholesale
I said I’ll send van to collect them
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town will drop them off
How can this be right ??
Maybe he doesn't have a bank account or the mental capacity to do the job.
It’s a very basic shelf filling position "
And maybe he can't do it. |
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"Your comments on these people indicate you really don’t understand or empathise with this section of ‘society’ it’s incredibly difficult to engage and work with people who have fallen off the radar, people who feel let down by both people and the state. It’s not as simple as offering them a job and expecting them to jump at the chance. Maybe if you took the time to really talk to some of these people and listen you’d have a better understanding of how dehumanised they often feel. Do not judge until you fully understand a persons story.
So I’ve spoken to the big issue seller
He said I see you sell
Logs
My mate sells logs I can supply you at a cheaper price than you pay
Ok I’ll get from you good for you as gives you a profit
I’ll send van to collect
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town I’ll bring in taxi along with dog !!!!
Come on who’s taking the piss ??"
It’s a sector I work in. I’ve heard a lot of stories that will forever haunt me. I wouldn’t work for you with that attitude. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They don’t need a permanent address I’d provide the Bussiness address as their address
Yet no rather beg than work
It’s not right "
Since when was selling the Big Issue begging? I see the point you’re trying to make, and it smacks of demagoguery. You have NO idea what those people are going through or what makes being on the street their only choice or preferred option. To simplify a complex issue and reduce it to a false dichotomy of beg or work is disingenuous. I know that you’d offer them a job, and that’s good of you, but don’t make assumptions about the lives of others, it’s kinda shitty. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
"So why not knock on door say give us a job ?
No rather sit on floor n beg ?
The big issue guys sold me some logs
I sell logs his price cheaper than I could buy wholesale
I said I’ll send van to collect them
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town will drop them off
How can this be right ??
Maybe he doesn't have a bank account or the mental capacity to do the job.
It’s a very basic shelf filling position "
That doesn't mean anyone can do it. |
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"So why not knock on door say give us a job ?
No rather sit on floor n beg ?
The big issue guys sold me some logs
I sell logs his price cheaper than I could buy wholesale
I said I’ll send van to collect them
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town will drop them off
How can this be right ??
Maybe he doesn't have a bank account or the mental capacity to do the job.
It’s a very basic shelf filling position "
I'd have no chance doing a shelf filling job. Not a chance. |
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"If you're concerned about begging and homelessness, then support charities which help people back to work. Maybe ask a charity for the disadvantaged if they have candidates who could work for you?
If you want to moan that people are entitled for surviving without working (or working in a way you approve of), then... Sorry, zero sympathy here."
I supply the local food bank with pallets of produce weekly |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
"Get off your high horse OP
The person coming across badly here is you, not the poor people you clearly want to judge so harshly.
No way that’s what’s wrong with this country
Easier to do nothing than work
People like you are what’s wrong. No compassion, no empathy, nothing.
You clearly started this thread in hopes that others would join in with you to judge people less fortunate.
Does it make you feel good to punch down?
No I started thread because I believe it’s wrong when I’ve got work available and no one applies
Yet people beg
Maybe they don't want to work for you.
They don’t won’t to work full stop"
Or can't. |
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over a year ago
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"Get off your high horse OP
The person coming across badly here is you, not the poor people you clearly want to judge so harshly.
No way that’s what’s wrong with this country
Easier to do nothing than work
People like you are what’s wrong. No compassion, no empathy, nothing.
You clearly started this thread in hopes that others would join in with you to judge people less fortunate.
Does it make you feel good to punch down?
No I started thread because I believe it’s wrong when I’ve got work available and no one applies
Yet people beg
Maybe they don't want to work for you.
They don’t won’t to work full stop"
Dude really your constant drivel is laughable |
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"If you're concerned about begging and homelessness, then support charities which help people back to work. Maybe ask a charity for the disadvantaged if they have candidates who could work for you?
If you want to moan that people are entitled for surviving without working (or working in a way you approve of), then... Sorry, zero sympathy here.
I supply the local food bank with pallets of produce weekly "
Good for you.
Maybe extend that charity to the people in front of you as well. At least in attitude. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging
OK dude. Personally I think people with your attitude are a problem in society. Go live your life.
Should stop all benifits !!!!
No work no pay "
I wrote my first reply before getting this far. How the hell are you qualified to know what those thoughts are? Their choices and their rationales? A strong and modern society should be judged on how it protects its most vulnerable. There are any number of things that those folk could have which prevent them from working; and NONE of them are your business. |
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"So why not knock on door say give us a job ?
No rather sit on floor n beg ?
The big issue guys sold me some logs
I sell logs his price cheaper than I could buy wholesale
I said I’ll send van to collect them
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town will drop them off
How can this be right ??
Maybe he doesn't have a bank account or the mental capacity to do the job.
It’s a very basic shelf filling position
I'd have no chance doing a shelf filling job. Not a chance. "
So you have no job ?
If you were being given no state benifits so you couldn’t feed your self or your family or pay your rent or Morgage or electricity bill
You couldn’t turn up on time empty boxes on to shelves take home £300 per week ??? |
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"So why not knock on door say give us a job ?
No rather sit on floor n beg ?
The big issue guys sold me some logs
I sell logs his price cheaper than I could buy wholesale
I said I’ll send van to collect them
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town will drop them off
How can this be right ??
Maybe he doesn't have a bank account or the mental capacity to do the job.
It’s a very basic shelf filling position
I'd have no chance doing a shelf filling job. Not a chance.
So you have no job ?
If you were being given no state benifits so you couldn’t feed your self or your family or pay your rent or Morgage or electricity bill
You couldn’t turn up on time empty boxes on to shelves take home £300 per week ???"
She's in a wheelchair FFS  |
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging
OK dude. Personally I think people with your attitude are a problem in society. Go live your life.
Should stop all benifits !!!!
No work no pay
I wrote my first reply before getting this far. How the hell are you qualified to know what those thoughts are? Their choices and their rationales? A strong and modern society should be judged on how it protects its most vulnerable. There are any number of things that those folk could have which prevent them from working; and NONE of them are your business. "
Yup yup |
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"If you're concerned about begging and homelessness, then support charities which help people back to work. Maybe ask a charity for the disadvantaged if they have candidates who could work for you?
If you want to moan that people are entitled for surviving without working (or working in a way you approve of), then... Sorry, zero sympathy here.
I supply the local food bank with pallets of produce weekly
Good for you.
Maybe extend that charity to the people in front of you as well. At least in attitude."
No way
Get off your arse !!! |
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"So why not knock on door say give us a job ?
No rather sit on floor n beg ?
The big issue guys sold me some logs
I sell logs his price cheaper than I could buy wholesale
I said I’ll send van to collect them
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town will drop them off
How can this be right ??
Maybe he doesn't have a bank account or the mental capacity to do the job.
It’s a very basic shelf filling position
I'd have no chance doing a shelf filling job. Not a chance.
So you have no job ?
If you were being given no state benifits so you couldn’t feed your self or your family or pay your rent or Morgage or electricity bill
You couldn’t turn up on time empty boxes on to shelves take home £300 per week ???
She's in a wheelchair FFS "
So wheel chair acces not a problem |
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"So why not knock on door say give us a job ?
No rather sit on floor n beg ?
The big issue guys sold me some logs
I sell logs his price cheaper than I could buy wholesale
I said I’ll send van to collect them
No don’t worry I get a taxi to town will drop them off
How can this be right ??
Maybe he doesn't have a bank account or the mental capacity to do the job.
It’s a very basic shelf filling position
I'd have no chance doing a shelf filling job. Not a chance.
So you have no job ?
If you were being given no state benifits so you couldn’t feed your self or your family or pay your rent or Morgage or electricity bill
You couldn’t turn up on time empty boxes on to shelves take home £300 per week ???"
BINGO!! Exactly the response I expected. Yes, I have a job. A very well paying job thanks for asking, but it's not a manual job. It doesn't involve lifting things, it doesn't involve standing on steps to reach high up shelves.
My job as an education manager can be done from my wheelchair. I use a wheelchair because I am disabled. But you're so full of your own self importance that instead of finding out WHY I can't do a shelf stacking job, you immediately jumper to a negative judgement.
That says everything about you, and it's not a good everything. |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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Wow so judgemental
Yet willing to sit and sell mags which I'm sure isn't easy and still at low wage but still doing it and as for begging if the government did more for homeless their wouldn't be homeless people on the streets it's always charity who helped the homeless not government in fact the government created it now a huge majority have adapted to living on the streets because the government failed some people have had mental breakdowns whether ex army and even those were let down the list goes on don't be quick to judge because it's not making you look any better
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"If you're concerned about begging and homelessness, then support charities which help people back to work. Maybe ask a charity for the disadvantaged if they have candidates who could work for you?
If you want to moan that people are entitled for surviving without working (or working in a way you approve of), then... Sorry, zero sympathy here.
I supply the local food bank with pallets of produce weekly
Good for you.
Maybe extend that charity to the people in front of you as well. At least in attitude.
No way
Get off your arse !!!"
I think you might be better off having your emotional reaction off the forum. This isn't going well for you.
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If you think a wheelchair user can stack shelves, you're more deluded than the rest of the thread suggests! Do you only want the bottom shelf filling? How does a wheelchair user move items from A to B? What about my mate from wheelchair basketball who has upper limb impairment too and who can't lift his arms above his chest?
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"If you think a wheelchair user can stack shelves, you're more deluded than the rest of the thread suggests! Do you only want the bottom shelf filling? How does a wheelchair user move items from A to B? What about my mate from wheelchair basketball who has upper limb impairment too and who can't lift his arms above his chest?
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Stop being so lazy. Off your arse. Disability is just an excuse. Just do it.
Look at those Paralympians. All disabled people are like that.
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"If you think a wheelchair user can stack shelves, you're more deluded than the rest of the thread suggests! Do you only want the bottom shelf filling? How does a wheelchair user move items from A to B? What about my mate from wheelchair basketball who has upper limb impairment too and who can't lift his arms above his chest?
Stop being so lazy. Off your arse. Disability is just an excuse. Just do it.
Look at those Paralympians. All disabled people are like that.
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Look into my eyes when you're poking fun at me, Swing 
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"If you think a wheelchair user can stack shelves, you're more deluded than the rest of the thread suggests! Do you only want the bottom shelf filling? How does a wheelchair user move items from A to B? What about my mate from wheelchair basketball who has upper limb impairment too and who can't lift his arms above his chest?
Stop being so lazy. Off your arse. Disability is just an excuse. Just do it.
Look at those Paralympians. All disabled people are like that.
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Look into my eyes when you're poking fun at me, Swing
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"Get off your high horse OP
The person coming across badly here is you, not the poor people you clearly want to judge so harshly.
No way that’s what’s wrong with this country
Easier to do nothing than work
People like you are what’s wrong. No compassion, no empathy, nothing.
You clearly started this thread in hopes that others would join in with you to judge people less fortunate.
Does it make you feel good to punch down?
No I started thread because I believe it’s wrong when I’ve got work available and no one applies
Yet people beg "
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"They don’t won’t to work because people feel sorry for them Costa coffees sandwiches cash in the box
Rather sit on their arse all day begging
OK dude. Personally I think people with your attitude are a problem in society. Go live your life.
Should stop all benifits !!!!
No work no pay "
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Some people are not just able to cope with the structure +regime needed to hold a job - being somewhere by a certain time, looking and smelling a certain way, following orders, doing menial work, concentrating for long periods etc etc
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By (user no longer on site)
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Your attitude is horrendous, you don’t know what happened to him, you know nothing about him.
Stop looking down on him as if you are better.
What that saying “never look down on anyone, unless you’re helping them up”
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I'm not really sure what this thread is trying to achieve OP.
You talk about society? Guess what, society consists of all different people with all different circumstances in life. You somehow feel people who work have the right to look down on people who don't?
That person selling the big issue, they are working. They are going out everyday to get money to live, however insignificant they seem to you. Have you ever considered their personal circumstances? Maybe they haven't had the same chances in life as others? Maybe they are looking for other jobs, but struggle to be employed by judgemental people like you.
That person you call 'a begger'. Wow, passing judgement on a homeless person.. Have you considered their story, what led them to that? Have you considered that you can't get a job without a permanent home address or any kind of benefit help? Its a vicious cycle that these people are stuck in.
The key word here is 'people'. Instead of spending time judging people, show a little compassion. Be grateful you have a job when so many would do anything to be in work right now. Be grateful you have a bed to sleep in every night when so many sleep on the streets. Be grateful you can buy yourself food when others rely on the kindness of a costa coffee.
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Some people unfortunately cant work or just choose not too, i did some vol work with the homeless some years ago and there were many with substance issue which stopped them functioning in a routined 9-5 way. Many also with substance issues which were coming through recovery did not want to work as it fed their temptation.
The other side is trauma through a difficult upbringing or life experience, this can make day to day function very difficult.
Its very easy to judge or not understand but sometimes what will be is what will be.  |
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Op.. Good luck in your pursuit on this site. You come across as bigoted, mean and also a troll if I'm being honest reading all this thread. You honestly can't believe everything you said. Surely.
However, if true and you justify that you are being 'honest to yourself' , I'm sure that is the quality people will want when you start wanting to meet and chat later.
Such a sad thread.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Op you don't the reasons why my brother used to seel the big issue,,and yes he made very good money, as he is a natural sales man, what woukd you say to him...woukd you call him a bum, lazy no good for nothing
Despite not knowing the back story, the issues in life he had at the time, or would you just be judgy as fuck as you have shown already,
Its not as simple as apply, for that cleaners job, lifes goes deeper than what you see from the outside....
You do come across as whoo me, lifes so tough |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They don’t need a permanent address I’d provide the Bussiness address as their address
Yet no rather beg than work
It’s not right "
Whats not right that mist ppl begging suffer with some firm of addiction, which takes them out of the running in tge first place, |
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If you have a vacancy you can't fill in this climate, maybe you need to look closer to home.
A friend works for a hotel in the city centre here and her poss advertised for FOH staff and had hundreds of applicants, including those vastly over qualified such as lawyers. Plenty want to work, obviously just not for you. Either that or you're not advertising your job very well which again is your problem. |
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Is the stoning of the OP over now?
OP, I’m wondering what prevented you from talking to the homeless guy about his situation? Or the big issue seller how they started selling it? Does their situation scare you? |
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Op you really have no idea do you?
These homeless guys may have mental health issues, addictions or long term illnesses that might exclude them from working... That might have made them homeless in the 1st place.
For many homeless people a job is the last thing they need. Support, food and a bed for the night is always 1st and foremost. |
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Personally I think it's this arrogant attitude of employers that's the real problem in society. You have work that needs doing and employees to do it is not a god given right. The majority of the housed population haven't been desperate enough to take your job and then when a homeless person doesn't want it either as they're perfectly happy with their job specifically designed for people in their situation you kick up a stink. That's entitlement at its finest.
You're not offering anything particularly attractive. You're paying the absolute bare minimum that you're legally obligated to do and aren't even guaranteeing full time hours. While you might preech that it's "£300 a week", it really isn't if they declare their income and pay taxes as they're supposed to do and if they don't then they'll fall massively behind on NI contributions which could affect their entitlement to a state pension. So they have the faff of having to do their own taxes and having to get to a bank to pay in the cash in order to pay their bills which can be difficult at the moment with the banks limited opening hours.
I get more than £300 a week AFTER tax and still have not a great deal left over after after paying my rent, all my bills and for my car and food. However, I do get over 6 weeks paid holiday a year, a decent pension scheme, decent maternity pay, decent sick pay, etc and I really get on my with boss. I also get to sit at a desk and don't have to lug boxes around. Why would I want to come and work for you? I wouldn't, and I don't feel sorry for you that other people aren't desperate enough to resort to doing so either. Especially not with your attitude towards other human beings. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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Ok a couple of points.
Discussing a persons profile is not allowed unless they have asked for it.
A person wouldn't know if someone they are speaking to on the forum is in a wheelchair.
People can't decide what others can write on the forum, as long as it isn't against rules they can post it.
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"Is the stoning of the OP over now?
OP, I’m wondering what prevented you from talking to the homeless guy about his situation? Or the big issue seller how they started selling it? Does their situation scare you?"
Stoning of the OP? Even when someone who cannot do a manual job commented (me), his response was not to check why, but to make blanket assumptions about my work ethic. That is not a person who has any desire to find out anything about anyone!
For the record for those who don't want to read the stuff from last night, I DO work, FT, but due to disability would not be able to do a manual job like shelf stacking. |
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"Ok a couple of points.
Discussing a persons profile is not allowed unless they have asked for it.
A person wouldn't know if someone they are speaking to on the forum is in a wheelchair.
People can't decide what others can write on the forum, as long as it isn't against rules they can post it.
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Correct, but instead of leaping to the assumption I'm workshy, perhaps inquiring why I said I wouldn't be able to do manual work would have been the next sensible step? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"Ok a couple of points.
Discussing a persons profile is not allowed unless they have asked for it.
A person wouldn't know if someone they are speaking to on the forum is in a wheelchair.
People can't decide what others can write on the forum, as long as it isn't against rules they can post it.
Correct, but instead of leaping to the assumption I'm workshy, perhaps inquiring why I said I wouldn't be able to do manual work would have been the next sensible step?
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By *ugby 123Couple
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To the OP, I am going to slightly disagree with some posts
There are some people who may not want a job for lots of reasons whether they are homeless or not so even if you offered them a job they may not take it. Brushing that off doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Big issues sellers have a job, maybe he doesn't actually want the job you would be offering and he is happy in what he has now.
I can understand frustration at not being able to fill vacancies , especially now when people must be looking for work...but I do agree with a couple of people though that I am not sure I would want to work for someone who seems to be black and white in thought
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"Ok a couple of points.
Discussing a persons profile is not allowed unless they have asked for it.
A person wouldn't know if someone they are speaking to on the forum is in a wheelchair.
People can't decide what others can write on the forum, as long as it isn't against rules they can post it.
Correct, but instead of leaping to the assumption I'm workshy, perhaps inquiring why I said I wouldn't be able to do manual work would have been the next sensible step?
He doesn't have to if he doesn't want to, maybe you could have offered the information "
I wanted to see his reaction. A rational person would ask WHY someone could not do a manual job instead of jumping to the incredibly inaccurate and mildly offensive conclusion that I am workshy. |
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To add, my CV doesn't state I'm a wheelchair user, it's irrelevant, so if I happened to apply for a job with the OP (obviously I wouldn't apply to stack shelves), then he'd have no idea I was a wheelchair user until the point of inviting to interview. Then I'd disclose it. |
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"Ok a couple of points.
Discussing a persons profile is not allowed unless they have asked for it.
A person wouldn't know if someone they are speaking to on the forum is in a wheelchair.
People can't decide what others can write on the forum, as long as it isn't against rules they can post it.
Correct, but instead of leaping to the assumption I'm workshy, perhaps inquiring why I said I wouldn't be able to do manual work would have been the next sensible step?
He doesn't have to if he doesn't want to, maybe you could have offered the information
I wanted to see his reaction. ."
It looked more like you wanted to try and make a fool out of him when it was announced you were in a chair.
Either way, lets get back to the OP rather than your situation please |
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Living on the streets or selling the big issue etc. Could have a significant impact on someone’s self esteem/self worth. The person you had observed OP may not be applying for your job because they feel they will get rejected and they have probably had enough of rejection in this life.
If it would have been me, I would probably have grabbed a cup of coffee and gone to have a chat with them, at some point during that conversation (depending on what vibe I was getting from them) I would have told them about the job I had available, to see where that went.
The guy might have said “yeah I saw it, but whose going to employ me”. Never underestimate OP just how psychologically damaging living on the streets and being stepped over and around by society on a daily basis can be.
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"Living on the streets or selling the big issue etc. Could have a significant impact on someone’s self esteem/self worth. The person you had observed OP may not be applying for your job because they feel they will get rejected and they have probably had enough of rejection in this life.
If it would have been me, I would probably have grabbed a cup of coffee and gone to have a chat with them, at some point during that conversation (depending on what vibe I was getting from them) I would have told them about the job I had available, to see where that went.
The guy might have said “yeah I saw it, but whose going to employ me”. Never underestimate OP just how psychologically damaging living on the streets and being stepped over and around by society on a daily basis can be.
Sometimes people aren’t waving, they are drowning, you can either wave back or throw them a rope. "
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"Living on the streets or selling the big issue etc. Could have a significant impact on someone’s self esteem/self worth. The person you had observed OP may not be applying for your job because they feel they will get rejected and they have probably had enough of rejection in this life.
If it would have been me, I would probably have grabbed a cup of coffee and gone to have a chat with them, at some point during that conversation (depending on what vibe I was getting from them) I would have told them about the job I had available, to see where that went.
The guy might have said “yeah I saw it, but whose going to employ me”. Never underestimate OP just how psychologically damaging living on the streets and being stepped over and around by society on a daily basis can be.
Sometimes people aren’t waving, they are drowning, you can either wave back or throw them a rope. "
Very well said.
I have read this thread in utter disbelief at the OPs complete lack of any sort of compassion or empathy.
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"Ok a couple of points.
Discussing a persons profile is not allowed unless they have asked for it.
A person wouldn't know if someone they are speaking to on the forum is in a wheelchair.
People can't decide what others can write on the forum, as long as it isn't against rules they can post it.
I wasn’t saying she didn’t have a job it was a hypothetical situation
Any one who doesn’t have a job was what I was meaning !
Correct, but instead of leaping to the assumption I'm workshy, perhaps inquiring why I said I wouldn't be able to do manual work would have been the next sensible step?
He doesn't have to if he doesn't want to, maybe you could have offered the information
I wanted to see his reaction. .
It looked more like you wanted to try and make a fool out of him when it was announced you were in a chair.
Either way, lets get back to the OP rather than your situation please"
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