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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

In your humble opinion, the most overrated band or artist?

The Who and The Doors for me

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By *imbobaMan  over a year ago

Glasgow

Mmmm. Guess we won’t be picking songs for each other on the duke box when the pubs open.

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By *an4funMan  over a year ago

london

Oasis

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By *ancer36Woman  over a year ago

Stirling

Coldplay!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Bee gees ... absolute wank .....

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By *xhibitionistbenMan  over a year ago

Ware / Kings Cross

ABBA

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By *wisted999Man  over a year ago

North Bucks

The Beetles.

They are the one direction of their day.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

evesham

Oasis, Coldplay, the beatles, u2, red hot chilli peppers

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool

U2

Rolling stones

Take that

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West

Oasis

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"In your humble opinion, the most overrated band or artist?

The Who and The Doors for me"

The Who overrated?? Thats laughable!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The wombles x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Nickelback there is no substitute

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The beetles...

Most underrated band (especially in the uk) - Dave Matthews band, if you haven’t listened to them you’re missing out

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By *ocothumpaMan  over a year ago

quite close to you

The Doors- are a horrible collection of mediocrity and overblown shite

Velvet Underground- are torturous pissy art-wank

The Strokes- rich New Yorkers pretending to authentic heroin addicts

Oasis - riff stealing, 2nd rate Chalatans knock off, honestly their music is the sound of stale Stella

Madonna - scene-stealing-zeitgeist-chasing-media-whore and she cannot sing.

Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band - Pet Sounds is better.

The Shawshank Redemption - Made for Tv guff

The Mona Lisa - it’s much smaller than you think and if you walk down the stairs to the right of it is a statue that is 1397 Years older than it and shows greater talent

Whiskey

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Pink Floyd (like listening to paint dry)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Ellie Goulding or Simply Red

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By *dward_TeagueMan  over a year ago

wolverhampton

Robbie Williams- a pub singer at best.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Coldplay in my opinion x

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By *inkylipsWoman  over a year ago

Debauchery


"Oasis"

Finally someone else

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oasis

Finally someone else "

Me too, can’t bear their dreary moaning.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple  over a year ago

Cumbria

How can any music be overrated it brings joy to somebody so if you don't like it don't listen to it opinions are grand but sometimes there's no need to share everything.

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By *RF12Couple  over a year ago

Colchester

Oasis. Don't get the hype.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple  over a year ago

Cumbria


"The Beetles.

They are the one direction of their day. "

How .

Literally invented a Style music and influence the next for 30 to 40 years..

Not the same.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The wombles x"

Fuck. Right. Off.

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By *inkylipsWoman  over a year ago

Debauchery


"The wombles x

Fuck. Right. Off. "

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By *reat me rightWoman  over a year ago

Rotherham

The Beatles

Oasis

U2

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By *razzyhorseMan  over a year ago

cambridge

Coldplay

Muse

Ed Sheeran

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By *eadinthecloudsMan  over a year ago

Manchester


"Oasis"

Take it back!

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By *eadinthecloudsMan  over a year ago

Manchester

Omg there's a lot of oasis hate here. That's mortally wounded me. I'll retreat into my cave

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By *inkylipsWoman  over a year ago

Debauchery


"Omg there's a lot of oasis hate here. That's mortally wounded me. I'll retreat into my cave "

I won’t hurt your feelings by letting rip then.... I will keep that to myself

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple  over a year ago

Lincoln

The Beatles

LvM

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By *etite_delightWoman  over a year ago

BunnyLand

Just one! Adele

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Robbie williams

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By *igboobstCouple  over a year ago

barrow

Michael Jackson

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By *r Appreciator.Man  over a year ago

Bedfordshire.

Radiohead.

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By *igboobstCouple  over a year ago

barrow


"Radiohead. "
forgot about them lot, totally agree x

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"The Beetles.

They are the one direction of their day.

How .

Literally invented a Style music and influence the next for 30 to 40 years..

Not the same."

Mad isnt it?

Literally invented modern music and then wrote one of the greatest albums ever.

Ed Sheeran is a shout.

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By *eadinthecloudsMan  over a year ago

Manchester


"Omg there's a lot of oasis hate here. That's mortally wounded me. I'll retreat into my cave

I won’t hurt your feelings by letting rip then.... I will keep that to myself "

We can agree to disagree on that one

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Taylor swift.

Lu

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By *hunky GentMan  over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

Pink Floyd

or

REM.

depressing music - imo.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 19/03/21 09:55:48]

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Madonna!

Lu

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Coldplay

Oasis

The Beatles

U2

The Rolling Stones

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By *len and LouiseCouple  over a year ago

Darenth

Paul Weller

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Christ almighty The Beatles being called the One Direction of their day

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By *eliciousladyWoman  over a year ago

Sometimes U.K

Kate Bush

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Oasis

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Beatles

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham

Ac-dc all the songs sound the same

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Beatles

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"Beatles "

Wings are the band the Beatles could have been

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The Beatles

Coldplay

Manic Street Preachers

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Not technically a band but Stormzy.

I mean really?

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By *affron40Woman  over a year ago

manchester

The Beatles

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By *inger_SnapWoman  over a year ago

Hampshire/Dorset

The Beatles

Oasis

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By *stbury DavenportMan  over a year ago

Nottingham

The Beatles.

I'm not sure why this thread has any other words in it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think Adele is overrated.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"Ac-dc all the songs sound the same "

I'm Thunderstruck

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"Omg there's a lot of oasis hate here. That's mortally wounded me. I'll retreat into my cave "

One can agree to disagree

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By *2000ManMan  over a year ago

Worthing


"Oasis"

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

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By *2000ManMan  over a year ago

Worthing


"Ac-dc all the songs sound the same "

It was Angus who said years ago "People say we make the same album 10 or 11 times. They are lying...it's actually the 12th time."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Oasis. Will never give them a penny of my money!!!

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest."

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The Beatles - they’re alright

Beyonce - she can sing

Ed Sheeran - writes jingles

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Not technically a band but Stormzy.

I mean really?"

Not technically music either

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By *emini ManMan  over a year ago

There and to the left a bit


"Christ almighty The Beatles being called the One Direction of their day

"

In fairness I can see the comparison with early Beatles but once they moved away from the whole mop top thing and actually developed absolutely no way

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By *ljamMan  over a year ago

Edinburgh

Beatles for sure, and Muse.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Amr Diab.just love his vocals

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By * Sophie xTV/TS  over a year ago

Derby

Oasis and the beatles in equal measure.

Plenty of others I could mention as well but those are the worst

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

And amy wine house too just not my cup of tea

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By *ljamMan  over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands."

I'd say if you did a survey, the majority would rate The Beatles as more important and influential than Kraftwerk... but they aren't. By that measure, they're overrated.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands.

I'd say if you did a survey, the majority would rate The Beatles as more important and influential than Kraftwerk... but they aren't. By that measure, they're overrated."

So the majority would be wrong?Just in your opinion, or?

Kraftwerk without a doubt influential, but more so than The Beatles?

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By *ljamMan  over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands.

I'd say if you did a survey, the majority would rate The Beatles as more important and influential than Kraftwerk... but they aren't. By that measure, they're overrated.

So the majority would be wrong?Just in your opinion, or?

Kraftwerk without a doubt influential, but more so than The Beatles? "

Yeah, the majority would be wrong... Kraftwerk are more influential than the Beatles. As the older generation fades the numbers will probably shift and more recognition will be paid to Kraftwerk. The prevalence of electronic music will continue for a long time.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The police

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By *imandHer9396Couple  over a year ago

Bridgend


"How can any music be overrated it brings joy to somebody so if you don't like it don't listen to it opinions are grand but sometimes there's no need to share everything."

Opinions are great, but you don't need to share everything

Her x

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By *imandHer9396Couple  over a year ago

Bridgend


"Kate Bush "

You, my friend, are wrong.

Absolute icon.

But her music is, maybe, sometimes

.. eclectic?

Her x

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By *imbobaMan  over a year ago

Glasgow

Genesis. And Phil Collins. Always winds me up

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By *ero666Man  over a year ago

fife

The Beatles,just don’t get them at all

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Coldplay! "
Bored to tears!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Genesis. And Phil Collins. Always winds me up "

They were better at the beginning

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple  over a year ago

Lincoln


"Taylor swift.

Lu "

I like you even more now

Can't stand her music, I also don't like Bruno Mars or any of the wannabe rap that radio's are full of now.

K

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands.

I'd say if you did a survey, the majority would rate The Beatles as more important and influential than Kraftwerk... but they aren't. By that measure, they're overrated."

Considering they pretty much invented modern pop music ,id say they were pretty influential.

I'd say kraftwerk had a huge impact but not more than the beatles.

The Beatles went from I wanna hold your hand to tomorrow never knows in the space of 5 years.

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By *an4funMan  over a year ago

london


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest."

They're lyrics are absolutely nonsensical. Throwing terms together to try and sound clever and meaningful

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By *ljamMan  over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands.

I'd say if you did a survey, the majority would rate The Beatles as more important and influential than Kraftwerk... but they aren't. By that measure, they're overrated.

Considering they pretty much invented modern pop music ,id say they were pretty influential.

I'd say kraftwerk had a huge impact but not more than the beatles.

The Beatles went from I wanna hold your hand to tomorrow never knows in the space of 5 years."

Invented modern pop music is a stretch. When they became wildly popular, were they doing anything which wasn't already being done by countless other 60s guitar bands? They were just better at it.

By the time they actually started experimenting and doing anything new they weren't really doing standard pop. Not arguing that they're not influential. They clearly are, particularly in indie music and pop-rock... but for me that influence is very overrated and doesn't stack up to Kraftwerk's legacy across techno, house, hip hop, dance, electronica, and pop too.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The Beatles.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Shaky Stevens

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands.

I'd say if you did a survey, the majority would rate The Beatles as more important and influential than Kraftwerk... but they aren't. By that measure, they're overrated.

So the majority would be wrong?Just in your opinion, or?

Kraftwerk without a doubt influential, but more so than The Beatles?

Yeah, the majority would be wrong... Kraftwerk are more influential than the Beatles. As the older generation fades the numbers will probably shift and more recognition will be paid to Kraftwerk. The prevalence of electronic music will continue for a long time."

There will always be room for all types of music, and Kraftwerk could certainly be classed as niche, in fact they invented their own genre.

You just don’t read or hear of as many current and past musicians citing Kraftwerk as you do The Beatles.

I don’t disagree that Kraftwerk are hugely influential, but not in the same way The Beatles were.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Metallica!

#horseshite

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By *ljamMan  over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands.

I'd say if you did a survey, the majority would rate The Beatles as more important and influential than Kraftwerk... but they aren't. By that measure, they're overrated.

So the majority would be wrong?Just in your opinion, or?

Kraftwerk without a doubt influential, but more so than The Beatles?

Yeah, the majority would be wrong... Kraftwerk are more influential than the Beatles. As the older generation fades the numbers will probably shift and more recognition will be paid to Kraftwerk. The prevalence of electronic music will continue for a long time.

There will always be room for all types of music, and Kraftwerk could certainly be classed as niche, in fact they invented their own genre.

You just don’t read or hear of as many current and past musicians citing Kraftwerk as you do The Beatles.

I don’t disagree that Kraftwerk are hugely influential, but not in the same way The Beatles were."

They invented a genre which went on to spawn dozens of sub-genres which combined are arguably the largest sector of music being created today. They've been sampled by everyone from Coldplay to Jay-Z...

If anything the fact that they aren't more widely recognised lends to the argument that they're underrated compared to the overrated Beatles.

The Beatles were a wildly popular boy band, wrote some really great songs, took LSD and found a guy to play the sitar.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands.

I'd say if you did a survey, the majority would rate The Beatles as more important and influential than Kraftwerk... but they aren't. By that measure, they're overrated.

Considering they pretty much invented modern pop music ,id say they were pretty influential.

I'd say kraftwerk had a huge impact but not more than the beatles.

The Beatles went from I wanna hold your hand to tomorrow never knows in the space of 5 years.

Invented modern pop music is a stretch. When they became wildly popular, were they doing anything which wasn't already being done by countless other 60s guitar bands? They were just better at it.

By the time they actually started experimenting and doing anything new they weren't really doing standard pop. Not arguing that they're not influential. They clearly are, particularly in indie music and pop-rock... but for me that influence is very overrated and doesn't stack up to Kraftwerk's legacy across techno, house, hip hop, dance, electronica, and pop too."

Who were the before the beatles?

Buddy hollie?

They were certainly pioneers and triggered that entire 60s scene before moving into psychedelia.

I wouldn't dispute that kraftwerk were hugely influential, and would probally agree that they were underrated.

But for so many people to say the Beatles were so overrated, there must be a hell of a lot of bands who were more influential.

Obvs musical preferences is down to choice but to say they were over rated is bizarre.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands.

I'd say if you did a survey, the majority would rate The Beatles as more important and influential than Kraftwerk... but they aren't. By that measure, they're overrated.

So the majority would be wrong?Just in your opinion, or?

Kraftwerk without a doubt influential, but more so than The Beatles?

Yeah, the majority would be wrong... Kraftwerk are more influential than the Beatles. As the older generation fades the numbers will probably shift and more recognition will be paid to Kraftwerk. The prevalence of electronic music will continue for a long time.

There will always be room for all types of music, and Kraftwerk could certainly be classed as niche, in fact they invented their own genre.

You just don’t read or hear of as many current and past musicians citing Kraftwerk as you do The Beatles.

I don’t disagree that Kraftwerk are hugely influential, but not in the same way The Beatles were.

They invented a genre which went on to spawn dozens of sub-genres which combined are arguably the largest sector of music being created today. They've been sampled by everyone from Coldplay to Jay-Z...

If anything the fact that they aren't more widely recognised lends to the argument that they're underrated compared to the overrated Beatles.

The Beatles were a wildly popular boy band, wrote some really great songs, took LSD and found a guy to play the sitar."

And had 2 of the greatest songwriters of all time.

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By *wisted999Man  over a year ago

North Bucks

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By *inchyorksMan  over a year ago

huddersfield

Beatles, hides under table!

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By *wisted999Man  over a year ago

North Bucks

Seems a popular choice the Beatles.

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By *ebjonnsonMan  over a year ago

Maldon


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands.

I'd say if you did a survey, the majority would rate The Beatles as more important and influential than Kraftwerk... but they aren't. By that measure, they're overrated.

Considering they pretty much invented modern pop music ,id say they were pretty influential.

I'd say kraftwerk had a huge impact but not more than the beatles.

The Beatles went from I wanna hold your hand to tomorrow never knows in the space of 5 years.

Invented modern pop music is a stretch. When they became wildly popular, were they doing anything which wasn't already being done by countless other 60s guitar bands? They were just better at it.

By the time they actually started experimenting and doing anything new they weren't really doing standard pop. Not arguing that they're not influential. They clearly are, particularly in indie music and pop-rock... but for me that influence is very overrated and doesn't stack up to Kraftwerk's legacy across techno, house, hip hop, dance, electronica, and pop too.

Who were the before the beatles?

Buddy hollie?

They were certainly pioneers and triggered that entire 60s scene before moving into psychedelia.

I wouldn't dispute that kraftwerk were hugely influential, and would probally agree that they were underrated.

But for so many people to say the Beatles were so overrated, there must be a hell of a lot of bands who were more influential.

Obvs musical preferences is down to choice but to say they were over rated is bizarre."

One of the greatest global influences of our time, and continue to be. Sadly though, an easy target.

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By *ebjonnsonMan  over a year ago

Maldon


"The police "

Sting?

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By *hubaysiWoman  over a year ago

Leeds

Adele - so overrated and I’m not interested in her songs of loves she has lost! BORING!

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By *2000ManMan  over a year ago

Worthing


"In your humble opinion, the most overrated band or artist?

The Who and The Doors for me"

Think after '73 (Quadrophenia) The Who lost it big time. Townsend got rid of the Gibson SG guitar and their sound was never the same. Also very sloppy live due to Moonie and Townsend alcohol abuse.

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By *hubaysiWoman  over a year ago

Leeds

Status Quo! So overrated and I don’t want to rock all over the world! What possesses someone to listen to their music

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

U2

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By *imon_hydeMan  over a year ago

Stockport

By the nature of the question the answers have to be about big popular artists. I'll go for The Beatles, The Clash and Oasis. I may be cheating including the world's biggest Beatles/Lennon tribute act but I loath Oasis

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Elbow. I could seriously fall asleep listening to them.

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By *hubaysiWoman  over a year ago

Leeds

Leona Lewis - such a whiny voice......

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By *ljamMan  over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands.

I'd say if you did a survey, the majority would rate The Beatles as more important and influential than Kraftwerk... but they aren't. By that measure, they're overrated.

Considering they pretty much invented modern pop music ,id say they were pretty influential.

I'd say kraftwerk had a huge impact but not more than the beatles.

The Beatles went from I wanna hold your hand to tomorrow never knows in the space of 5 years.

Invented modern pop music is a stretch. When they became wildly popular, were they doing anything which wasn't already being done by countless other 60s guitar bands? They were just better at it.

By the time they actually started experimenting and doing anything new they weren't really doing standard pop. Not arguing that they're not influential. They clearly are, particularly in indie music and pop-rock... but for me that influence is very overrated and doesn't stack up to Kraftwerk's legacy across techno, house, hip hop, dance, electronica, and pop too.

Who were the before the beatles?

Buddy hollie?

They were certainly pioneers and triggered that entire 60s scene before moving into psychedelia.

I wouldn't dispute that kraftwerk were hugely influential, and would probally agree that they were underrated.

But for so many people to say the Beatles were so overrated, there must be a hell of a lot of bands who were more influential.

Obvs musical preferences is down to choice but to say they were over rated is bizarre."

The Beatles didn't invent pop-rock! There were piles of American bands and British bands copying them... the Beatles among them. All their early stuff fits entirely into a genre which was very popular at the time.

They also didn't invent psychedelia, but they did take it into the mainstream, thanks to that earlier success.

A lot of this thread is more about people saying they don't like a popular act... I like a lot of Beatles stuff. But the way that their achievements and influence is stated by their fans makes it clear to me they're overrated.

It's all good chat though! Would be better over a few pints...

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By *ickeyblueeyes7Man  over a year ago

newport

Just got to be Cold play and Elbow

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By *hubaysiWoman  over a year ago

Leeds

All the X Factor winners.

However I liked 1D.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oasis

First 3 albums are good...not sure about the rest.

1st one would be in the greatest top 10 of all time.

I think people are getting over rated confused with not liking

If the Beatles are over rated I'd like to hear 10 more influential bands.

I'd say if you did a survey, the majority would rate The Beatles as more important and influential than Kraftwerk... but they aren't. By that measure, they're overrated.

Considering they pretty much invented modern pop music ,id say they were pretty influential.

I'd say kraftwerk had a huge impact but not more than the beatles.

The Beatles went from I wanna hold your hand to tomorrow never knows in the space of 5 years.

Invented modern pop music is a stretch. When they became wildly popular, were they doing anything which wasn't already being done by countless other 60s guitar bands? They were just better at it.

By the time they actually started experimenting and doing anything new they weren't really doing standard pop. Not arguing that they're not influential. They clearly are, particularly in indie music and pop-rock... but for me that influence is very overrated and doesn't stack up to Kraftwerk's legacy across techno, house, hip hop, dance, electronica, and pop too.

Who were the before the beatles?

Buddy hollie?

They were certainly pioneers and triggered that entire 60s scene before moving into psychedelia.

I wouldn't dispute that kraftwerk were hugely influential, and would probally agree that they were underrated.

But for so many people to say the Beatles were so overrated, there must be a hell of a lot of bands who were more influential.

Obvs musical preferences is down to choice but to say they were over rated is bizarre.

The Beatles didn't invent pop-rock! There were piles of American bands and British bands copying them... the Beatles among them. All their early stuff fits entirely into a genre which was very popular at the time.

They also didn't invent psychedelia, but they did take it into the mainstream, thanks to that earlier success.

A lot of this thread is more about people saying they don't like a popular act... I like a lot of Beatles stuff. But the way that their achievements and influence is stated by their fans makes it clear to me they're overrated.

It's all good chat though! Would be better over a few pints..."

If only we could have this debate over a beer!

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