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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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ironic that women feel unsafe in one of the only countries where self defence tazers and pepper sprays are illeagal
maybe instead of banning them they should be sold in poundland next to the vibrators n sex toys |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There's no reason those teasers and pepper spray couldn't then be used against us.
Weapons aren't the answer.
Why is the responsibility always on us to defend ourselves?
Lu  |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"There's no reason those teasers and pepper spray couldn't then be used against us.
Weapons aren't the answer.
Why is the responsibility always on us to defend ourselves?
Lu "
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
Manchester (he/him) |
"There's no reason those teasers and pepper spray couldn't then be used against us.
Weapons aren't the answer.
Why is the responsibility always on us to defend ourselves?
Lu "
That’s solved that one then!
In reality, arming people only exacerbates the issue. Because Americans never shoot each other or get shot, do they?! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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i never even said it was your job to defend yourself. god sake.
thats like saying ohh i wanna be scared of stones but its not my job to wear shoes.
it may not be your job but it'd definately make them think twice if they didnt know whether you were carrying something that'd leave their sleazy asses twitching on the floor while you walk away amused with a smile
i have female friends in the states who carry pepper spray or a tazer and they were asking me why girls here dont and were shocked when i said the uk isnt allowed them |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They sell sex toys in poundland  "
They do...tho I won't browse again. Last time I did some dude used it as a conversation started and proceeded to follow me around the next 2 shops... 
Lu |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They sell sex toys in poundland
I just skated right over that one.
They also sell them in Superdrug, for the more discerning shopper  "
Well, every day is a school day on here  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They sell sex toys in poundland
They do...tho I won't browse again. Last time I did some dude used it as a conversation started and proceeded to follow me around the next 2 shops...
Lu "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i never even said it was your job to defend yourself. god sake.
thats like saying ohh i wanna be scared of stones but its not my job to wear shoes.
it may not be your job but it'd definately make them think twice if they didnt know whether you were carrying something that'd leave their sleazy asses twitching on the floor while you walk away amused with a smile
i have female friends in the states who carry pepper spray or a tazer and they were asking me why girls here dont and were shocked when i said the uk isnt allowed them"
It's not the answer tho is it?
As I said, they can be used against us. It just makes an already dangerous situation more dangerous.
The effort should be on making it harder for men to commit these crimes, rather than how women deal with it, we've been trying to defend ourselves our whole lives.
I used to carry half a brick in my bag after I was attacked at 13 on my way home from a friends. Didn't make me any safer.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"ironic that women feel unsafe in one of the only countries where self defence tazers and pepper sprays are illeagal
maybe instead of banning them they should be sold in poundland next to the vibrators n sex toys"
OP do you think they feel safe in any other country where tazers, pepper sprays, guns and knives are legal?
Do these items make someone feel safe any more safe? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's no reason those teasers and pepper spray couldn't then be used against us.
Weapons aren't the answer.
Why is the responsibility always on us to defend ourselves?
Lu
That’s solved that one then!
In reality, arming people only exacerbates the issue. Because Americans never shoot each other or get shot, do they?!"
Guns save more life then they kill .
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's no reason those teasers and pepper spray couldn't then be used against us.
Weapons aren't the answer.
Why is the responsibility always on us to defend ourselves?
Lu
That’s solved that one then!
In reality, arming people only exacerbates the issue. Because Americans never shoot each other or get shot, do they?!
Guns save more life then they kill .
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Who the fook told you that?!   |
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"ironic that women feel unsafe in one of the only countries where self defence tazers and pepper sprays are illeagal
maybe instead of banning them they should be sold in poundland next to the vibrators n sex toys
OP do you think they feel safe in any other country where tazers, pepper sprays, guns and knives are legal?
Do these items make someone feel safe any more safe?"
Just about to make this point. I've felt every bit as vulnerable in the US as I have here, even knowing I was out with a woman who had a concealed carry permit and enough hardware on her to take down a small country.
The chances of a weapon being removed from someone who isn't trained to use it, and then being used against that person make me nervous in the extreme. |
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"There's no reason those teasers and pepper spray couldn't then be used against us.
Weapons aren't the answer.
Why is the responsibility always on us to defend ourselves?
Lu
That’s solved that one then!
In reality, arming people only exacerbates the issue. Because Americans never shoot each other or get shot, do they?!
Guns save more life then they kill .
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Haha omg no they don’t!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's no reason those teasers and pepper spray couldn't then be used against us.
Weapons aren't the answer.
Why is the responsibility always on us to defend ourselves?
Lu
That’s solved that one then!
In reality, arming people only exacerbates the issue. Because Americans never shoot each other or get shot, do they?!
Guns save more life then they kill .
Who the fook told you that?! "
The reliable press we get drip fed  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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But OP said tasers or pepper spray. I think you should be able to but that is my personal belief. If Sarah had spray she might be still alive today. It is a harsh debate. |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
Manchester (he/him) |
"There's no reason those teasers and pepper spray couldn't then be used against us.
Weapons aren't the answer.
Why is the responsibility always on us to defend ourselves?
Lu
That’s solved that one then!
In reality, arming people only exacerbates the issue. Because Americans never shoot each other or get shot, do they?!
Guns save more life then they kill .
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Of course, all of the British, Australian, Japanese and German dead vastly outweigh those of the US, oh wait, it’s the other way around... |
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By *sm265Woman
over a year ago
Shangri-la |
Why should I have to carry pepper spray or a taser?
Why should I have to take the longer, better lit, route home rather than the short cut across the park?
Why should I have to pay for a taxi because its safer than walking alone? But still feel the need to send my friend a photo of the licence plate before I get in the taxi, just in case?
Why do I walk home with my keys gripped in my fist?
Why do I feel I have to cross the road to avoid the large group of males rather than walking past them without fear? |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
I was recently told about something you can do with the power button on a phone, that lets out a high pitch screaming noise and dials 999.
My family member tried it and said it worked on her phone.
You would have to be holding your phone though. |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
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Guns save more life then they kill .
How can this be proven ?
https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.html
Defense purposes."
Harvard suggests otherwise
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/do-guns-make-us-safer-science-suggests-no/ |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
Manchester (he/him) |
"I don’t want to carry weapons of any description. I want people to be better humans. I hate this world."
I think that if there’s one thing that this past year has proven to me, it’s that some people have nothing but their own self interest as a motive. This subject is much the same, people don’t care if their actions hurt or impact others, they just don’t want to think about changing their behaviour, even if that hurts or harms others.
Entitled, selfish, cowardly people; “why should I change, when women can just be armed?” |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don’t want to carry weapons of any description. I want people to be better humans. I hate this world.
I think that if there’s one thing that this past year has proven to me, it’s that some people have nothing but their own self interest as a motive. This subject is much the same, people don’t care if their actions hurt or impact others, they just don’t want to think about changing their behaviour, even if that hurts or harms others.
Entitled, selfish, cowardly people; “why should I change, when women can just be armed?”"
I will keep my self defense until someone figured out how to mind read people's intent. But that is just me. Rather be alive then a statistic. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why should I have to carry pepper spray or a taser?
Why should I have to take the longer, better lit, route home rather than the short cut across the park?
Why should I have to pay for a taxi because its safer than walking alone? But still feel the need to send my friend a photo of the licence plate before I get in the taxi, just in case?
Why do I walk home with my keys gripped in my fist?
Why do I feel I have to cross the road to avoid the large group of males rather than walking past them without fear? "
To protect yourself? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I find this ironic coming from someone who just a few days ago was talking about “the bleating of the me too crowd”."
Yes ofcourse take my comment completely out of context YET AGAIN and try to stir up more man hate (slow clap)
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Chicken and egg.
Allowed to carry a weapon and the purpetraters know to carry a weapon too, probably bigger and more effective and then we're all more vulnerable.
Plasters never stop the cause. The answer requires everyone to play their part, no one is without responsibility no matter how we want to dress it and it's not a simple one aspect of society fix either.
Cancel culture on the back of the forcing of personal rights is breeding a fear to speak or suggest anything if it's not the general narrative. The slow silencing of freedom to speak has started.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"This subject is much the same, people don’t care if their actions hurt or impact others, they just don’t want to think about changing their behaviour, even if that hurts or harms others.
Entitled, selfish, cowardly people; “why should I change, when women can just be armed?”"
Sounds like
"everything should change because i dont like it everything should bend to my entitlement and change to suit ME because i might be hurt or offended"
whatabout being prepared for the scary world the way it comes whether its nice or not.
then if it happens to NOT be nice there wont be a mass uprising against this super oppressive demonic thing because humans would be armed and prepared for the world and its horrors without needing a massive news story media coverage and a huge protest resulting in more pain and injuries which we will then sit n complain about
nobody owes anyone a nice soft cooshy cottonwool covered neutered friendly world.
i'd rather teach my daughter how to handle an assailant than go on the news telling all the assailants they are wrong bad and evil for being assailants WELL OFCOURSE THEY ARE THEY ARE ASSAILANTS kick em in the balls and pepper spray em and move on with your life or be afraid and expect idiots to grow chromosomes their mothers clearly didnt pass on |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
"I find this ironic coming from someone who just a few days ago was talking about “the bleating of the me too crowd”.
Yes ofcourse take my comment completely out of context YET AGAIN and try to stir up more man hate (slow clap)
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I don't see any man hate. Try not to be so thin skinned. |
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Arming people isn’t the way, that just leads to an arms race and ultimately the smaller weaker person will still lose.
The way to combat this is twofold
1. Make sentencing of violent or sexual crime especially when aimed at women stiffer. If you thought you were going to prison for ever you might reconsider being a prick.
2. Change male attitudes towards women, this is obviously more difficult, but if men were to be taught to respect women more then there would be less entitled attitudes towards them. |
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"I find this ironic coming from someone who just a few days ago was talking about “the bleating of the me too crowd”.
Yes ofcourse take my comment completely out of context YET AGAIN and try to stir up more man hate (slow clap)
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Where were men mentioned? |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
Manchester (he/him) |
"I find this ironic coming from someone who just a few days ago was talking about “the bleating of the me too crowd”.
Yes ofcourse take my comment completely out of context YET AGAIN and try to stir up more man hate (slow clap)
Where were men mentioned? "
Not all men, just him |
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"ironic that women feel unsafe in one of the only countries where self defence tazers and pepper sprays are illeagal
maybe instead of banning them they should be sold in poundland next to the vibrators n sex toys"
Better education would be much better but will take more time . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Arming people isn’t the way, that just leads to an arms race and ultimately the smaller weaker person will still lose.
The way to combat this is twofold
1. Make sentencing of violent or sexual crime especially when aimed at women stiffer. If you thought you were going to prison for ever you might reconsider being a prick.
2. Change male attitudes towards women, this is obviously more difficult, but if men were to be taught to respect women more then there would be less entitled attitudes towards them. "
And yet a woman was murdered with some of the strictest laws that apply. It did not stop the perpetrator now did it ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I don't see any man hate. Try not to be so thin skinned."
ohh no i was referring to her twisting a comment i had previously made in refference to the "meetoo crowd" genre of women
who whilst having never suffered anything more than a guy glancing at them on a bus seem to jump on the bandwagon of female abuse sufferers and think its in any way the same thing as actually being harrassed.
Their bleating somewhat taking away the importance of the reall sufferers
message.
it turned a few cases of real sexual harrassment into millions of women deeming everything from a smile to a chat-up line "creepy" or sexual harrassment and has now spiralled after the sarah everard thing into "women feeling scared to walk the streets"
the streets are no worse than they have ever been what IS worse is the sense of being entitled to a soft cotton wool covered world rather than prepared for it whether its nice or not
i personally was brought up to protect a girl if i saw her in trouble and i'd bring any son up the same and i'd bring any little girl up to know that there are nasty people out there...THE WAY THE WORLD HAS ALWAYS BEEN
nobody is entitled to a kushy cosy world.
the people out there who are nasty DONT CARE if you are scared. infact being scared is probably what they DO want.
what they definately dont want is to be kicked in the balls tazed and left pepper sprayed in the alley they were gonna assault you in.
BE PREPARED and the world wont be a problem. hopefully none of you will ever need it but atleast you were prepared
STAY SAFE |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
Manchester (he/him) |
"This subject is much the same, people don’t care if their actions hurt or impact others, they just don’t want to think about changing their behaviour, even if that hurts or harms others.
Entitled, selfish, cowardly people; “why should I change, when women can just be armed?”
Sounds like
"everything should change because i dont like it everything should bend to my entitlement and change to suit ME because i might be hurt or offended"
whatabout being prepared for the scary world the way it comes whether its nice or not.
then if it happens to NOT be nice there wont be a mass uprising against this super oppressive demonic thing because humans would be armed and prepared for the world and its horrors without needing a massive news story media coverage and a huge protest resulting in more pain and injuries which we will then sit n complain about
nobody owes anyone a nice soft cooshy cottonwool covered neutered friendly world.
i'd rather teach my daughter how to handle an assailant than go on the news telling all the assailants they are wrong bad and evil for being assailants WELL OFCOURSE THEY ARE THEY ARE ASSAILANTS kick em in the balls and pepper spray em and move on with your life or be afraid and expect idiots to grow chromosomes their mothers clearly didnt pass on"
Sounds like, but not at all.
If you choose to actually read what I wrote, then you’ll see that what I said was ‘I will change to allow others to feel comfortable, if it’s within my power to do so’ which I called acting with empathy, the opposite of entitled behaviour.
This issue isn’t about entitled people or offended people, this is about people being assaulted so there’s no need for your personal axe to be ground here. |
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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago
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"Guns save more life then they kill .
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Especially in schools..... oh right!
And before you get all high and mighty I have family in the south, and am used to gun culture and living in homes where loaded weapons - including assault rifles - are never more than an arms reach away.
Arming the population does nothing to increase safety, as the bad guys also have access to them.
Its also why you have police forces in the US that use weapons of war, and are quite happy to shoot people in the back more than once.
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By *Just meMan
over a year ago
Basingstoke |
"ironic that women feel unsafe in one of the only countries where self defence tazers and pepper sprays are illeagal
maybe instead of banning them they should be sold in poundland next to the vibrators n sex toys"
Actually legally pepper spray and tasers are illegal. Tasers are classified as firearms. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"there’s no need for your personal axe to be ground here."
i actually have no axe to be ground at all bro and all i am pointing out that while we who are decent will change to make the world nicer we cant expect those who are not to as they probably werent born with the capacity in the first place |
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By *Just meMan
over a year ago
Basingstoke |
"There's no reason those teasers and pepper spray couldn't then be used against us.
Weapons aren't the answer.
Why is the responsibility always on us to defend ourselves?
Lu "
Tasers and pepper spray are illegal in the UK. Best thing to carry is hair spray or deoderant... in the eyes it will hurt... And if you are being attacked no one will complain if you use it as self defence... |
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"Arming people isn’t the way, that just leads to an arms race and ultimately the smaller weaker person will still lose.
The way to combat this is twofold
1. Make sentencing of violent or sexual crime especially when aimed at women stiffer. If you thought you were going to prison for ever you might reconsider being a prick.
2. Change male attitudes towards women, this is obviously more difficult, but if men were to be taught to respect women more then there would be less entitled attitudes towards them.
And yet a woman was murdered with some of the strictest laws that apply. It did not stop the perpetrator now did it ?"
What your asking for is an end to crime, what I’m suggesting is for tougher sentencing for a specific crime and a whole sale change to how society views women. Actually what I’m suggesting is as likely as what your suggesting tbf.
A case in point, Singapore has strict anti littering laws. You litter they beat you, but also no one would consider actually littering in the first place because people in Singapore care about the place not looking a shit hole. |
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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago
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"And yet a woman was murdered with some of the strictest laws that apply. It did not stop the perpetrator now did it ?"
Because people who are willing to break the law surprisingly don’t give a shit about them.
In this instance given the nature of the law enforcement officers job - he was on diplomatic protection duty - he was more likely to be armed than she was. Even if she had been armed, he would likely have received specialised training in how to disarm or overpower an armed suspect.
The answer is never to arm the population (go 2nd amendment advocates who ignore the tyranny of their last president), but to educate all and prosecute where needed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's no reason those teasers and pepper spray couldn't then be used against us.
Weapons aren't the answer.
Why is the responsibility always on us to defend ourselves?
Lu
Tasers and pepper spray are illegal in the UK. Best thing to carry is hair spray or deoderant... in the eyes it will hurt... And if you are being attacked no one will complain if you use it as self defence... "
I sell a legal protection spray on eBay. It covers the attack with a red dye which takes 7 days for the skin to get rid of.
I sold over 30,000 last year and many more have been purchased recently
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I don't see any man hate. Try not to be so thin skinned.
ohh no i was referring to her twisting a comment i had previously made in refference to the "meetoo crowd" genre of women
who whilst having never suffered anything more than a guy glancing at them on a bus seem to jump on the bandwagon of female abuse sufferers and think its in any way the same thing as actually being harrassed.
Their bleating somewhat taking away the importance of the reall sufferers
message.
it turned a few cases of real sexual harrassment into millions of women deeming everything from a smile to a chat-up line "creepy" or sexual harrassment and has now spiralled after the sarah everard thing into "women feeling scared to walk the streets"
the streets are no worse than they have ever been what IS worse is the sense of being entitled to a soft cotton wool covered world rather than prepared for it whether its nice or not
i personally was brought up to protect a girl if i saw her in trouble and i'd bring any son up the same and i'd bring any little girl up to know that there are nasty people out there...THE WAY THE WORLD HAS ALWAYS BEEN
nobody is entitled to a kushy cosy world.
the people out there who are nasty DONT CARE if you are scared. infact being scared is probably what they DO want.
what they definately dont want is to be kicked in the balls tazed and left pepper sprayed in the alley they were gonna assault you in.
BE PREPARED and the world wont be a problem. hopefully none of you will ever need it but atleast you were prepared
STAY SAFE"
1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted. That alone is in the millions in this country alone. Add in even what you would consider "genuine" sexual harassment then that's why so many women say "me too". |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"there’s no need for your personal axe to be ground here.
i actually have no axe to be ground at all bro and all i am pointing out that while we who are decent will change to make the world nicer we cant expect those who are not to as they probably werent born with the capacity in the first place"
You don’t get to say which women were assaulted. They do! |
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"Arming people isn’t the way, that just leads to an arms race and ultimately the smaller weaker person will still lose.
The way to combat this is twofold
1. Make sentencing of violent or sexual crime especially when aimed at women stiffer. If you thought you were going to prison for ever you might reconsider being a prick.
2. Change male attitudes towards women, this is obviously more difficult, but if men were to be taught to respect women more then there would be less entitled attitudes towards them.
And yet a woman was murdered with some of the strictest laws that apply. It did not stop the perpetrator now did it ?"
What strict laws? Conviction rates for sexual assault are woeful, and sentencing is usually too lenient. |
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"Arming people isn’t the way, that just leads to an arms race and ultimately the smaller weaker person will still lose.
The way to combat this is twofold
1. Make sentencing of violent or sexual crime especially when aimed at women stiffer. If you thought you were going to prison for ever you might reconsider being a prick.
2. Change male attitudes towards women, this is obviously more difficult, but if men were to be taught to respect women more then there would be less entitled attitudes towards them.
And yet a woman was murdered with some of the strictest laws that apply. It did not stop the perpetrator now did it ?
What strict laws? Conviction rates for sexual assault are woeful, and sentencing is usually too lenient."
Some of the sentencing is laughable and not just for sexual assault. A proper deterrent is what’s needed a message has to be sent that sexual or violent crime against women (or anyone) is wrong. If the criminal justice system lead the way then society would follow |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted. That alone is in the millions in this country alone. Add in even what you would consider "genuine" sexual harassment then that's why so many women say "me too". "
Saying mee too just because you and your pal caught a guy looking at you across a bus stop
is not the same as say being stood at the bus stop and having the same guy leering at you walk up and start touching you saying innapropriate things and making you feel threatened.
the former is someone who is unsure how to show attraction the latter is a bloody trogladite and needs put down
but that doesnt stop the girls in the former scenario latching on to the latter and making every guy who thinks about smiling at a girl think twice
and THATS the difference. if it really needed explained to you perhaps you are one of the girls from the first scenario |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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You don’t get to say which women were assaulted. They do!"
ummmmm...at no point did i try to...i simply stated there are both types...anything else you'd like to try and twist? |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
Manchester (he/him) |
"there’s no need for your personal axe to be ground here.
i actually have no axe to be ground at all bro and all i am pointing out that while we who are decent will change to make the world nicer we cant expect those who are not to as they probably werent born with the capacity in the first place"
I think that the point is to be challenging the behaviour when it’s seen, speaking up and taking responsibility for changing minds. It’s not just about the sexual assaults it’s the harassment, the ignoring ‘no’, the problematic behaviours that people deem as acceptable |
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1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted. That alone is in the millions in this country alone. Add in even what you would consider "genuine" sexual harassment then that's why so many women say "me too".
Saying mee too just because you and your pal caught a guy looking at you across a bus stop
is not the same as say being stood at the bus stop and having the same guy leering at you walk up and start touching you saying innapropriate things and making you feel threatened.
the former is someone who is unsure how to show attraction the latter is a bloody trogladite and needs put down
but that doesnt stop the girls in the former scenario latching on to the latter and making every guy who thinks about smiling at a girl think twice
and THATS the difference. if it really needed explained to you perhaps you are one of the girls from the first scenario"
That has genuinely happened. A guy at a train station I didn't know sat next to me and put his arm around me and then told me to stop being a bitch when I asked him not to touch me. That's also not the worst thing that's happened to me. |
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You don’t get to say which women were assaulted. They do!
ummmmm...at no point did i try to...i simply stated there are both types...anything else you'd like to try and twist?"
I’m not twisting anything, your post above clearly says you don’t believe come things are harassment. You don’t know how they feel, you don’t know how it came across, as I said, you don’t get to decide when a woman feels harassed or assaulted, they do. |
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1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted. That alone is in the millions in this country alone. Add in even what you would consider "genuine" sexual harassment then that's why so many women say "me too".
Saying mee too just because you and your pal caught a guy looking at you across a bus stop
is not the same as say being stood at the bus stop and having the same guy leering at you walk up and start touching you saying innapropriate things and making you feel threatened.
the former is someone who is unsure how to show attraction the latter is a bloody trogladite and needs put down
but that doesnt stop the girls in the former scenario latching on to the latter and making every guy who thinks about smiling at a girl think twice
and THATS the difference. if it really needed explained to you perhaps you are one of the girls from the first scenario"
Wow! You get to decide what people consider harassment. Also I don't see any girls commenting on this thread only grown women who have an opinion and a voice. |
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"i never even said it was your job to defend yourself. god sake.
thats like saying ohh i wanna be scared of stones but its not my job to wear shoes.
it may not be your job but it'd definately make them think twice if they didnt know whether you were carrying something that'd leave their sleazy asses twitching on the floor while you walk away amused with a smile
i have female friends in the states who carry pepper spray or a tazer and they were asking me why girls here dont and were shocked when i said the uk isnt allowed them
It's not the answer tho is it?
As I said, they can be used against us. It just makes an already dangerous situation more dangerous.
The effort should be on making it harder for men to commit these crimes, rather than how women deal with it, we've been trying to defend ourselves our whole lives.
I used to carry half a brick in my bag after I was attacked at 13 on my way home from a friends. Didn't make me any safer.
Lu "
We feel for you Lu both of us have received unwanted advances one from flasher the other physical attack.
Both have managed to move on but the issue remains. Self Defense is part solution albeit a negative, but there needs to be a higher degree of social unacceptability including a higher and harder prosecution regime. Education and public disgrace. Constructive ideas may help those who wish to change a world wide issue.
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1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted. That alone is in the millions in this country alone. Add in even what you would consider "genuine" sexual harassment then that's why so many women say "me too".
Saying mee too just because you and your pal caught a guy looking at you across a bus stop
is not the same as say being stood at the bus stop and having the same guy leering at you walk up and start touching you saying innapropriate things and making you feel threatened.
the former is someone who is unsure how to show attraction the latter is a bloody trogladite and needs put down
but that doesnt stop the girls in the former scenario latching on to the latter and making every guy who thinks about smiling at a girl think twice
and THATS the difference. if it really needed explained to you perhaps you are one of the girls from the first scenario
That has genuinely happened. A guy at a train station I didn't know sat next to me and put his arm around me and then told me to stop being a bitch when I asked him not to touch me. That's also not the worst thing that's happened to me. "
Iv had similar, I guy I'm never met sat next to one the bus and put his arm around me them told me to smile as I'd look pretty if I smiled! |
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1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted. That alone is in the millions in this country alone. Add in even what you would consider "genuine" sexual harassment then that's why so many women say "me too".
Saying mee too just because you and your pal caught a guy looking at you across a bus stop
is not the same as say being stood at the bus stop and having the same guy leering at you walk up and start touching you saying innapropriate things and making you feel threatened.
the former is someone who is unsure how to show attraction the latter is a bloody trogladite and needs put down
but that doesnt stop the girls in the former scenario latching on to the latter and making every guy who thinks about smiling at a girl think twice
and THATS the difference. if it really needed explained to you perhaps you are one of the girls from the first scenario"
But the second scenario you described is what women encounter on a very regular basis |
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I’m not twisting anything, your post above clearly says you don’t believe some things are harassment. You don’t know how they feel, you don’t know how it came across, as I said, you don’t get to decide when a woman feels harassed or assaulted, they do."
actually you are you are trying to insuniate that i am deciding whats harrassment when i never decided anything
actually i just DESCRIBED an examplem above of two scnearios above where one was and one wasnt without any effort at all but i still didnt decide whether anyone elses experiences were or werent
as for the "i dont know how it feels or how it comes across"
Ohh Really i dont know how it feels..is that because i'm male and you assume i've never suffered any sort of unwanted attention from men or women?
because you'd be wrong. difference is how i handled it |
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I’m not twisting anything, your post above clearly says you don’t believe some things are harassment. You don’t know how they feel, you don’t know how it came across, as I said, you don’t get to decide when a woman feels harassed or assaulted, they do.
actually you are you are trying to insuniate that i am deciding whats harrassment when i never decided anything
actually i just DESCRIBED an examplem above of two scnearios above where one was and one wasnt without any effort at all but i still didnt decide whether anyone elses experiences were or werent
as for the "i dont know how it feels or how it comes across"
Ohh Really i dont know how it feels..is that because i'm male and you assume i've never suffered any sort of unwanted attention from men or women?
because you'd be wrong. difference is how i handled it"
I think if you read it again they never said you don't know how it feels it said you don't know how they feel. Just because you have handled something one way doesn't mean everybody else can or should. |
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"Arming people isn’t the way, that just leads to an arms race and ultimately the smaller weaker person will still lose.
The way to combat this is twofold
1. Make sentencing of violent or sexual crime especially when aimed at women stiffer. If you thought you were going to prison for ever you might reconsider being a prick.
2. Change male attitudes towards women, this is obviously more difficult, but if men were to be taught to respect women more then there would be less entitled attitudes towards them.
And yet a woman was murdered with some of the strictest laws that apply. It did not stop the perpetrator now did it ?
What strict laws? Conviction rates for sexual assault are woeful, and sentencing is usually too lenient."
Murdered strict law still happened. The law wasn't much of a deterrent now was it. As you are breathing your last breath your not going to worry about the law now are you? |
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"Arming people isn’t the way, that just leads to an arms race and ultimately the smaller weaker person will still lose.
The way to combat this is twofold
1. Make sentencing of violent or sexual crime especially when aimed at women stiffer. If you thought you were going to prison for ever you might reconsider being a prick.
2. Change male attitudes towards women, this is obviously more difficult, but if men were to be taught to respect women more then there would be less entitled attitudes towards them.
And yet a woman was murdered with some of the strictest laws that apply. It did not stop the perpetrator now did it ?
What strict laws? Conviction rates for sexual assault are woeful, and sentencing is usually too lenient.
Murdered strict law still happened. The law wasn't much of a deterrent now was it. As you are breathing your last breath your not going to worry about the law now are you?"
The sentencing for murder in this country isn’t strict at all, a lot of people get out in 10 years that’s hardly a deterrent |
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"This subject is much the same, people don’t care if their actions hurt or impact others, they just don’t want to think about changing their behaviour, even if that hurts or harms others.
Entitled, selfish, cowardly people; “why should I change, when women can just be armed?”
Sounds like
"everything should change because i dont like it everything should bend to my entitlement and change to suit ME because i might be hurt or offended"
whatabout being prepared for the scary world the way it comes whether its nice or not.
then if it happens to NOT be nice there wont be a mass uprising against this super oppressive demonic thing because humans would be armed and prepared for the world and its horrors without needing a massive news story media coverage and a huge protest resulting in more pain and injuries which we will then sit n complain about
nobody owes anyone a nice soft cooshy cottonwool covered neutered friendly world.
i'd rather teach my daughter how to handle an assailant than go on the news telling all the assailants they are wrong bad and evil for being assailants WELL OFCOURSE THEY ARE THEY ARE ASSAILANTS kick em in the balls and pepper spray em and move on with your life or be afraid and expect idiots to grow chromosomes their mothers clearly didnt pass on"
So you're OK with your daughter going up against one or more assailants with a can of pepperspray because you're sure that the outcome will be in her favour and not that the treatment she will receive will be even worse due to her daring to defend herself against those who intend to do her harm?
What if her assailant is someone she knows and she is caught unawares due to her being d*unk or in a position of vulnerability.
I could clearly take the piss here and destroy everything you said with sarcasm but its just stupid and doesn't further the debate.
She should not need to defend herself of feel scared by being anywhere at any time or by anyone, surely that is the better situation?
This debate on here is a general debate and not aimed at anyone in particular yet it does need to be debated.
You are not seeing the nuances of what is being said here and that is in any situation or walk of life is that prevention is better than a cure.
Yes your daughter (and any other person/woman) can survive an attack or oppression but they will always carry scars and be forever changed by their experiences.
Do you really want your daughter or anyone to have to go through life with that always in their thoughts? |
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"Arming people isn’t the way, that just leads to an arms race and ultimately the smaller weaker person will still lose.
The way to combat this is twofold
1. Make sentencing of violent or sexual crime especially when aimed at women stiffer. If you thought you were going to prison for ever you might reconsider being a prick.
2. Change male attitudes towards women, this is obviously more difficult, but if men were to be taught to respect women more then there would be less entitled attitudes towards them.
And yet a woman was murdered with some of the strictest laws that apply. It did not stop the perpetrator now did it ?
What strict laws? Conviction rates for sexual assault are woeful, and sentencing is usually too lenient.
Murdered strict law still happened. The law wasn't much of a deterrent now was it. As you are breathing your last breath your not going to worry about the law now are you?
The sentencing for murder in this country isn’t strict at all, a lot of people get out in 10 years that’s hardly a deterrent "
But it is still a law. It was not a deterrence now was it ? Just like here laws do not deter some people now does it. I don't want any woman to die if they have the ability to have some sort of active self protection. Laws do not apply when you fighting for your life. I personally would rather see any woman survive and get home to their lived ones at all costs. Call me a fool a idiot gun toting Maniac. Just my opinion you either take a stand or you don't. |
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I’m not twisting anything, your post above clearly says you don’t believe some things are harassment. You don’t know how they feel, you don’t know how it came across, as I said, you don’t get to decide when a woman feels harassed or assaulted, they do.
actually you are you are trying to insuniate that i am deciding whats harrassment when i never decided anything
actually i just DESCRIBED an examplem above of two scnearios above where one was and one wasnt without any effort at all but i still didnt decide whether anyone elses experiences were or werent
as for the "i dont know how it feels or how it comes across"
Ohh Really i dont know how it feels..is that because i'm male and you assume i've never suffered any sort of unwanted attention from men or women?
because you'd be wrong. difference is how i handled it"
You don’t get to say what is harassment or what makes a person feel uncomfortable, that’s the point that you’re missing. The two instances that you’ve described could be harassment, the difference is that you don’t consider the first to be so but you don’t get to choose that, it’s not your decision to make.
You seem intent on arguing what is and isn’t harassment, you’ve stated on previous threads that you disagree with how it’s meaning that guys can’t approach women now and dismissed the me too movement as you feel that it means that people over react. The simple point is that you don’t get to choose another’s feelings, you can’t tell them what is acceptable or not with their own bodies.
I’m starting to think that you’re so frustrated with this as you do act in these ways |
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"Arming people isn’t the way, that just leads to an arms race and ultimately the smaller weaker person will still lose.
The way to combat this is twofold
1. Make sentencing of violent or sexual crime especially when aimed at women stiffer. If you thought you were going to prison for ever you might reconsider being a prick.
2. Change male attitudes towards women, this is obviously more difficult, but if men were to be taught to respect women more then there would be less entitled attitudes towards them.
And yet a woman was murdered with some of the strictest laws that apply. It did not stop the perpetrator now did it ?
What strict laws? Conviction rates for sexual assault are woeful, and sentencing is usually too lenient.
Murdered strict law still happened. The law wasn't much of a deterrent now was it. As you are breathing your last breath your not going to worry about the law now are you?
The sentencing for murder in this country isn’t strict at all, a lot of people get out in 10 years that’s hardly a deterrent
But it is still a law. It was not a deterrence now was it ? Just like here laws do not deter some people now does it. I don't want any woman to die if they have the ability to have some sort of active self protection. Laws do not apply when you fighting for your life. I personally would rather see any woman survive and get home to their lived ones at all costs. Call me a fool a idiot gun toting Maniac. Just my opinion you either take a stand or you don't."
Tougher Sentencing isn’t going to stop all crime, but increasing the amount of readily available weapons on the street isn’t going to help. If it’s easy for a woman to get a it’s easy for a rapist. God how much easier would it be to abduct a woman of rapists had access to a device that could stun a potential victim. Quick zap with this and into the back of a van |
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"Arming people isn’t the way, that just leads to an arms race and ultimately the smaller weaker person will still lose.
The way to combat this is twofold
1. Make sentencing of violent or sexual crime especially when aimed at women stiffer. If you thought you were going to prison for ever you might reconsider being a prick.
2. Change male attitudes towards women, this is obviously more difficult, but if men were to be taught to respect women more then there would be less entitled attitudes towards them.
And yet a woman was murdered with some of the strictest laws that apply. It did not stop the perpetrator now did it ?
What strict laws? Conviction rates for sexual assault are woeful, and sentencing is usually too lenient.
Murdered strict law still happened. The law wasn't much of a deterrent now was it. As you are breathing your last breath your not going to worry about the law now are you?
The sentencing for murder in this country isn’t strict at all, a lot of people get out in 10 years that’s hardly a deterrent
But it is still a law. It was not a deterrence now was it ? Just like here laws do not deter some people now does it. I don't want any woman to die if they have the ability to have some sort of active self protection. Laws do not apply when you fighting for your life. I personally would rather see any woman survive and get home to their lived ones at all costs. Call me a fool a idiot gun toting Maniac. Just my opinion you either take a stand or you don't.
Tougher Sentencing isn’t going to stop all crime, but increasing the amount of readily available weapons on the street isn’t going to help. If it’s easy for a woman to get a it’s easy for a rapist. God how much easier would it be to abduct a woman of rapists had access to a device that could stun a potential victim. Quick zap with this and into the back of a van"
We have the death penalty for murder how well do criminals care about the law again ? How much more strict can you get ? |
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"ironic that women feel unsafe in one of the only countries where self defence tazers and pepper sprays are illeagal
maybe instead of banning them they should be sold in poundland next to the vibrators n sex toys"
If my mother had of been allowed to carry such things she would have used that without good reason due to her mental health.
This should be about educating boys/men how to fucking act to a female correctly.
No one should be armed. |
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"ironic that women feel unsafe in one of the only countries where self defence tazers and pepper sprays are illeagal
maybe instead of banning them they should be sold in poundland next to the vibrators n sex toys"
Erm... women feel unsafe in countries where they are legal too.
In fact there are several countries which have harsh punishment for men, which seem to have women feeling safer.
Its not about weapons, its knowing they are safe from attack in the first place. |
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"ironic that women feel unsafe in one of the only countries where self defence tazers and pepper sprays are illeagal
maybe instead of banning them they should be sold in poundland next to the vibrators n sex toys"
Do women not get harassed in America? |
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"ironic that women feel unsafe in one of the only countries where self defence tazers and pepper sprays are illeagal
maybe instead of banning them they should be sold in poundland next to the vibrators n sex toys
Erm... women feel unsafe in countries where they are legal too.
In fact there are several countries which have harsh punishment for men, which seem to have women feeling safer.
Its not about weapons, its knowing they are safe from attack in the first place. "
Then give up your navy your army and the air force weapons. Nukes too. You don't need the deterrence then.If it such a safe world. |
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"Arming people isn’t the way, that just leads to an arms race and ultimately the smaller weaker person will still lose.
The way to combat this is twofold
1. Make sentencing of violent or sexual crime especially when aimed at women stiffer. If you thought you were going to prison for ever you might reconsider being a prick.
2. Change male attitudes towards women, this is obviously more difficult, but if men were to be taught to respect women more then there would be less entitled attitudes towards them.
And yet a woman was murdered with some of the strictest laws that apply. It did not stop the perpetrator now did it ?
What strict laws? Conviction rates for sexual assault are woeful, and sentencing is usually too lenient.
Murdered strict law still happened. The law wasn't much of a deterrent now was it. As you are breathing your last breath your not going to worry about the law now are you?
The sentencing for murder in this country isn’t strict at all, a lot of people get out in 10 years that’s hardly a deterrent
But it is still a law. It was not a deterrence now was it ? Just like here laws do not deter some people now does it. I don't want any woman to die if they have the ability to have some sort of active self protection. Laws do not apply when you fighting for your life. I personally would rather see any woman survive and get home to their lived ones at all costs. Call me a fool a idiot gun toting Maniac. Just my opinion you either take a stand or you don't.
Tougher Sentencing isn’t going to stop all crime, but increasing the amount of readily available weapons on the street isn’t going to help. If it’s easy for a woman to get a it’s easy for a rapist. God how much easier would it be to abduct a woman of rapists had access to a device that could stun a potential victim. Quick zap with this and into the back of a van
We have the death penalty for murder how well do criminals care about the law again ? How much more strict can you get ?"
We don’t have the death penalty and I’m not suggesting that we should, the thing is that in America the death penalty is coupled with ubiquitous gun ownership. What this means is crimes of passion the ones carried out on a whim are easier. But also if you think you are gonna get executed there is no benefit in holding back when the police come. You might as well shoot them.
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"ironic that women feel unsafe in one of the only countries where self defence tazers and pepper sprays are illeagal
maybe instead of banning them they should be sold in poundland next to the vibrators n sex toys
Erm... women feel unsafe in countries where they are legal too.
In fact there are several countries which have harsh punishment for men, which seem to have women feeling safer.
Its not about weapons, its knowing they are safe from attack in the first place.
Then give up your navy your army and the air force weapons. Nukes too. You don't need the deterrence then.If it such a safe world. "
No one is saying that people shouldn’t learn how to defend themselves. Using your logic it’s ok to let North Korea and Iran have nukes.
Where as America has spent a lot of time effort and money in trying to stop that |
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"ironic that women feel unsafe in one of the only countries where self defence tazers and pepper sprays are illeagal
maybe instead of banning them they should be sold in poundland next to the vibrators n sex toys
Erm... women feel unsafe in countries where they are legal too.
In fact there are several countries which have harsh punishment for men, which seem to have women feeling safer.
Its not about weapons, its knowing they are safe from attack in the first place.
Then give up your navy your army and the air force weapons. Nukes too. You don't need the deterrence then.If it such a safe world.
No one is saying that people shouldn’t learn how to defend themselves. Using your logic it’s ok to let North Korea and Iran have nukes.
Where as America has spent a lot of time effort and money in trying to stop that"
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"This subject is much the same, people don’t care if their actions hurt or impact others, they just don’t want to think about changing their behaviour, even if that hurts or harms others.
Entitled, selfish, cowardly people; “why should I change, when women can just be armed?”
Sounds like
"everything should change because i dont like it everything should bend to my entitlement and change to suit ME because i might be hurt or offended"
whatabout being prepared for the scary world the way it comes whether its nice or not.
then if it happens to NOT be nice there wont be a mass uprising against this super oppressive demonic thing because humans would be armed and prepared for the world and its horrors without needing a massive news story media coverage and a huge protest resulting in more pain and injuries which we will then sit n complain about
nobody owes anyone a nice soft cooshy cottonwool covered neutered friendly world.
i'd rather teach my daughter how to handle an assailant than go on the news telling all the assailants they are wrong bad and evil for being assailants WELL OFCOURSE THEY ARE THEY ARE ASSAILANTS kick em in the balls and pepper spray em and move on with your life or be afraid and expect idiots to grow chromosomes their mothers clearly didnt pass on
So you're OK with your daughter going up against one or more assailants with a can of pepperspray because you're sure that the outcome will be in her favour and not that the treatment she will receive will be even worse due to her daring to defend herself against those who intend to do her harm?
What if her assailant is someone she knows and she is caught unawares due to her being d*unk or in a position of vulnerability.
I could clearly take the piss here and destroy everything you said with sarcasm but its just stupid and doesn't further the debate.
She should not need to defend herself of feel scared by being anywhere at any time or by anyone, surely that is the better situation?
This debate on here is a general debate and not aimed at anyone in particular yet it does need to be debated.
You are not seeing the nuances of what is being said here and that is in any situation or walk of life is that prevention is better than a cure.
Yes your daughter (and any other person/woman) can survive an attack or oppression but they will always carry scars and be forever changed by their experiences.
Do you really want your daughter or anyone to have to go through life with that always in their thoughts?"
Right NO. I'M NOT saying she SHOULD have to protect herself. But that she SHOULD be well capable and not just assume the world is a soft cuddly place
I never decided AT ANY POINT
WHAT was harrassment and what was not. I'm simply saying that whether you happen to encounter what YOU DEEM is harrassment or not being equipped mentally physically and possibly armed in case of such things are better than floating around in a bubble hoping the assholes who dont care will change.
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"This subject is much the same, people don’t care if their actions hurt or impact others, they just don’t want to think about changing their behaviour, even if that hurts or harms others.
Entitled, selfish, cowardly people; “why should I change, when women can just be armed?”
Sounds like
"everything should change because i dont like it everything should bend to my entitlement and change to suit ME because i might be hurt or offended"
whatabout being prepared for the scary world the way it comes whether its nice or not.
then if it happens to NOT be nice there wont be a mass uprising against this super oppressive demonic thing because humans would be armed and prepared for the world and its horrors without needing a massive news story media coverage and a huge protest resulting in more pain and injuries which we will then sit n complain about
nobody owes anyone a nice soft cooshy cottonwool covered neutered friendly world.
i'd rather teach my daughter how to handle an assailant than go on the news telling all the assailants they are wrong bad and evil for being assailants WELL OFCOURSE THEY ARE THEY ARE ASSAILANTS kick em in the balls and pepper spray em and move on with your life or be afraid and expect idiots to grow chromosomes their mothers clearly didnt pass on
So you're OK with your daughter going up against one or more assailants with a can of pepperspray because you're sure that the outcome will be in her favour and not that the treatment she will receive will be even worse due to her daring to defend herself against those who intend to do her harm?
What if her assailant is someone she knows and she is caught unawares due to her being d*unk or in a position of vulnerability.
I could clearly take the piss here and destroy everything you said with sarcasm but its just stupid and doesn't further the debate.
She should not need to defend herself of feel scared by being anywhere at any time or by anyone, surely that is the better situation?
This debate on here is a general debate and not aimed at anyone in particular yet it does need to be debated.
You are not seeing the nuances of what is being said here and that is in any situation or walk of life is that prevention is better than a cure.
Yes your daughter (and any other person/woman) can survive an attack or oppression but they will always carry scars and be forever changed by their experiences.
Do you really want your daughter or anyone to have to go through life with that always in their thoughts?
Right NO. I'M NOT saying she SHOULD have to protect herself. But that she SHOULD be well capable and not just assume the world is a soft cuddly place
I never decided AT ANY POINT
WHAT was harrassment and what was not. I'm simply saying that whether you happen to encounter what YOU DEEM is harrassment or not being equipped mentally physically and possibly armed in case of such things are better than floating around in a bubble hoping the assholes who dont care will change.
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