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Saw this on the book of faces...best thing I've read for ages!
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And guys, you know, they know, we all know it's not aimed at you or anyone in particular, its a lighthearted approach to a serious subject and that it's bringing something that too many live with as part of their lives to the fore.
Ita not telling you not to attack, catchall or single out women but it might just help you to see others doing so and say something to them about it.
Its about making the world a safer place and a safer FEELING place too.
Instead of knocking it, see the message in it that genuinely many feel scared when they shouldn't.
I've put a damned dress on and walked the street and I tell you this now, I'm a 6ft guy who normally doesn't give a thought to if I feel safe or not but in a dress and a wig, I feel vulnerable, its not a good feeling so imagine how a woman feels. | |||
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"I honestly don't know what your expectations of this post is. I've kept quiet on all your other posts on this topic as I prefer to stick to the light-hearted subjects that make this forum fun and I know I'm going to get slated for this but oh well. You're not going to find anyone that disagrees with you. It was a horrific murder and I do agree that change needs to be made in wider society to make the streets safer for women. What you face is something is something I can't empathise with and wish it remains that way. However, the way you purvey that message though can come across as condescending and insulting regardless of who it was aimed at. You don't get people onside with that approach, you do it through diplomacy and tact, something which this post genuinely lacks in my opinion." Let me be perfectly clear... It is not my job to convince people of anything or "get them onside". Anything I share/say here is MY opinion. I don't need people to agree. My intention here was to share something I read online and thought was brilliant. I see from the few responses so far, that I'm not alone in that. As for being condescending, how? For a start, I didn't write those words, merely copied and shared them. Surely a post like this is only condescending to men who don't do enough isn't it? As I keep saying on the matter, if your conscience is clear and you're a good man, it isn't about you. I very much understand that 100% of people will never agree with everything I say/think. I'm cool with that. Are you? Lu | |||
"I appreciate that a lot of men are taking an interest in how to make us feel safer, but I feel like the fact that they are asking means they're not the type to make us feel unsafe in the first place... So a bit of a moot point tbh. " I disagree. I don't think it's always intentional. I don't think they always realise how uncomfortable or intimidated we can feel in certain situations. Lu | |||
"Let me be perfectly clear... It is not my job to convince people of anything or "get them onside". Anything I share/say here is MY opinion. I don't need people to agree. My intention here was to share something I read online and thought was brilliant. I see from the few responses so far, that I'm not alone in that. As for being condescending, how? For a start, I didn't write those words, merely copied and shared them. Surely a post like this is only condescending to men who don't do enough isn't it? As I keep saying on the matter, if your conscience is clear and you're a good man, it isn't about you. I very much understand that 100% of people will never agree with everything I say/think. I'm cool with that. Are you? Lu "I just take issue with the fact that you say if you're a good man then you have nothing to worry about and in the same vain, say that it applies to men who do nothing to help. I agree that men who are in that position should do something, but for those who aren't in those positions, I don't see how they are able to "step up" when they've never experienced anything like that in the first place. It does feel like you are calling out all men to take responsibility when some of us just want to live our lives without being ridiculed for things out of our control. Also, of course I'm comfortable with people not agreeing with me, that's why I challenged a post that aims to pander to the masses... | |||
"Let me be perfectly clear... It is not my job to convince people of anything or "get them onside". Anything I share/say here is MY opinion. I don't need people to agree. My intention here was to share something I read online and thought was brilliant. I see from the few responses so far, that I'm not alone in that. As for being condescending, how? For a start, I didn't write those words, merely copied and shared them. Surely a post like this is only condescending to men who don't do enough isn't it? As I keep saying on the matter, if your conscience is clear and you're a good man, it isn't about you. I very much understand that 100% of people will never agree with everything I say/think. I'm cool with that. Are you? Lu
I just take issue with the fact that you say if you're a good man then you have nothing to worry about and in the same vain, say that it applies to men who do nothing to help. I agree that men who are in that position should do something, but for those who aren't in those positions, I don't see how they are able to "step up" when they've never experienced anything like that in the first place. It does feel like you are calling out all men to take responsibility when some of us just want to live our lives without being ridiculed for things out of our control.
Also, of course I'm comfortable with people not agreeing with me, that's why I challenged a post that aims to pander to the masses..."That's your perception. We as a society avoid fleas right? Cos they carry Lyme disease. But #notallfleas right? We avoid wasps, cos they can sting us. But #notallwasps right? And no one wants to be trapped in a field with a huge bull wearing a red jumper...but it's #notallbulls If you know you're doing the right thing, these posts about men aren't about you. When people try to raise awareness of male suicide rates no woman ever pipes up and says "ere! What about us! We kill ourselves too!" Why? Cos it's not about us! You're right. It's not all men. No one ever said it was. Lu | |||
"Let me be perfectly clear... It is not my job to convince people of anything or "get them onside". Anything I share/say here is MY opinion. I don't need people to agree. My intention here was to share something I read online and thought was brilliant. I see from the few responses so far, that I'm not alone in that. As for being condescending, how? For a start, I didn't write those words, merely copied and shared them. Surely a post like this is only condescending to men who don't do enough isn't it? As I keep saying on the matter, if your conscience is clear and you're a good man, it isn't about you. I very much understand that 100% of people will never agree with everything I say/think. I'm cool with that. Are you? Lu
I just take issue with the fact that you say if you're a good man then you have nothing to worry about and in the same vain, say that it applies to men who do nothing to help. I agree that men who are in that position should do something, but for those who aren't in those positions, I don't see how they are able to "step up" when they've never experienced anything like that in the first place. It does feel like you are calling out all men to take responsibility when some of us just want to live our lives without being ridiculed for things out of our control.
Also, of course I'm comfortable with people not agreeing with me, that's why I challenged a post that aims to pander to the masses...
That's your perception.
We as a society avoid fleas right? Cos they carry Lyme disease.
But #notallfleas right?
We avoid wasps, cos they can sting us.
But #notallwasps right?
And no one wants to be trapped in a field with a huge bull wearing a red jumper...but it's #notallbulls
If you know you're doing the right thing, these posts about men aren't about you.
When people try to raise awareness of male suicide rates no woman ever pipes up and says "ere! What about us! We kill ourselves too!" Why? Cos it's not about us!
You're right. It's not all men. No one ever said it was.
Lu "But I didn't try to play the #notallmen card (curse you for making me use a hashtag), that's all you're focussing on. You realise that just by mentioning those terms and using negative traits, it creates more division that's not needed. It's also not just the perception I have, when you create these threads, the perception of men can change if the rhetoric implies "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem". It creates an us vs them mentality that is just not needed. That's why I had issues with your original post and said it lacked tact and diplomacy. | |||
"Let me be perfectly clear... It is not my job to convince people of anything or "get them onside". Anything I share/say here is MY opinion. I don't need people to agree. My intention here was to share something I read online and thought was brilliant. I see from the few responses so far, that I'm not alone in that. As for being condescending, how? For a start, I didn't write those words, merely copied and shared them. Surely a post like this is only condescending to men who don't do enough isn't it? As I keep saying on the matter, if your conscience is clear and you're a good man, it isn't about you. I very much understand that 100% of people will never agree with everything I say/think. I'm cool with that. Are you? Lu
I just take issue with the fact that you say if you're a good man then you have nothing to worry about and in the same vain, say that it applies to men who do nothing to help. I agree that men who are in that position should do something, but for those who aren't in those positions, I don't see how they are able to "step up" when they've never experienced anything like that in the first place. It does feel like you are calling out all men to take responsibility when some of us just want to live our lives without being ridiculed for things out of our control.
Also, of course I'm comfortable with people not agreeing with me, that's why I challenged a post that aims to pander to the masses...
That's your perception.
We as a society avoid fleas right? Cos they carry Lyme disease.
But #notallfleas right?
We avoid wasps, cos they can sting us.
But #notallwasps right?
And no one wants to be trapped in a field with a huge bull wearing a red jumper...but it's #notallbulls
If you know you're doing the right thing, these posts about men aren't about you.
When people try to raise awareness of male suicide rates no woman ever pipes up and says "ere! What about us! We kill ourselves too!" Why? Cos it's not about us!
You're right. It's not all men. No one ever said it was.
Lu
But I didn't try to play the #notallmen card (curse you for making me use a hashtag), that's all you're focussing on. You realise that just by mentioning those terms and using negative traits, it creates more division that's not needed.
It's also not just the perception I have, when you create these threads, the perception of men can change if the rhetoric implies "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem". It creates an us vs them mentality that is just not needed. That's why I had issues with your original post and said it lacked tact and diplomacy."And you're totally entitled to your opinion. Mine differs.  | |||
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