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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Thoughts..?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ridiculous

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By *ady LickWoman over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

A member of parliament suggested this right? Absurd!

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

How would it work with the Equality Act ?

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Why?

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

Non starter.

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By *riar BelisseWoman over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

Oh I bet all the DV victims stuck at home with their abusers are happy with that thought ffs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A member of parliament suggested this right? Absurd!"

Not sure she’s elected?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"A member of parliament suggested this right? Absurd!"

Yes it is currently being discussed in parliament in regards to the Sarah Everard case

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By *os19Man over a year ago

Edmonton

Was this something suggested by someone from the Green Party. I can’t see how it would ever work total nonsense

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unreasonable unrealistic and unfair

Lets just be done and demonise the whole of the male population....I thought as species we would move forward with our thinking not backward, there will be suggestions of pitchforks and fires next.

You cannot punish the whole of the male demograph for the disgusting acts of a few.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Was this something suggested by someone from the Green Party. I can’t see how it would ever work total nonsense "

Mark Drakeford, The Welsh first minister and in charge of the decision making is considering it

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"A member of parliament suggested this right? Absurd!

Yes it is currently being discussed in parliament in regards to the Sarah Everard case"

Being mentioned by one person in the House of Lords is very different from "currently being discussed in parliament"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A sad reflection of what todays society has become.

Women are encouraged to work jobs that are normally done by men yet cant walk/run along a street with out feeling intimiadated.

Now men are being made to feel that they are all a threat to women.

The minority of men cause problems for the majority of men who have respect.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman over a year ago

Reading

Crazy idea and will just alienate men.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

It's stupid but if it gets people talking more about women's safety on the streets then it's a good thing surely. I doubt they are considering it with any great seriousness. I haven't read the news so I may be wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"A member of parliament suggested this right? Absurd!

Yes it is currently being discussed in parliament in regards to the Sarah Everard case

Being mentioned by one person in the House of Lords is very different from "currently being discussed in parliament" "

As I have stated, It is being considered by the Welsh government leader

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

Mark Drakeford, The Welsh first minister and in charge of the decision making is considering it"

Wales Online today says Drakeford is not considering it

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By *heLaserGuyMan over a year ago

Coventry

Sounds utter tripe to me, it'll never work.

What about the 1000s of men that work evenings, or those wanting an evening pint

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"It's stupid but if it gets people talking more about women's safety on the streets then it's a good thing surely. I doubt they are considering it with any great seriousness. I haven't read the news so I may be wrong. "

The Baroness who mentioned it said it was in response to people who say women put themselves at risk by being out at night. She didn't mean it as a serious suggestion.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

Who knows nowadays what can happen , a year ago people would have laughed at you if you said you’ll be locked up in your house best part of next year and you won’t be seeing your family, well there not laughing now

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Mark Drakeford, The Welsh first minister and in charge of the decision making is considering it

Wales Online today says Drakeford is not considering it"

It's been edited - The First Minister issued a statement after "he was reported to be considering" the move in the wake of the disappearance of Sarah Everard

Yesterday he actually was considering it

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Knee jerk reaction.

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By *andare63Man over a year ago

oldham

"How would it work with the Equality Act ?"

The Equality Act?

an act that people choose to roll out and quote when it suits.

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By *eorge JetsonMan over a year ago

Middlesbrough

The Baroness who mentioned it said it was in response to people who say women put themselves at risk by being out at night. She didn't mean it as a serious suggestion. "

Maybe not, but I can almost guarantee that with the lunacy going on at the minute it will only be a matter of time before someone does make it a serious suggestion.

Will it actually happen.... I suspect not but it certainly wouldn't stop someone taking a go at it.

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By * and R cple4Couple over a year ago

swansea

Mark Drakeford, The Welsh first minister and in charge of the decision making is considering it

Wales Online today says Drakeford is not considering it"

This

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"How would it work with the Equality Act ?

The Equality Act?

an act that people choose to roll out and quote when it suits. "

Oh dear

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By *aughtynottsCouple over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

Thoughts..... well I think this is why the Green Party will never be taken seriously!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ridiculous "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Does the curfew include make Policemen then?????

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"Does the curfew include make Policemen then?????"

Good point !

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By *estofbothCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Maybe we set up a lady village and a man village and people aren’t allowed to cross between the two.

Not going to lie a night in lady village doesn’t sound too bad right now!

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By * and R cple4Couple over a year ago

swansea

"Does the curfew include make Policemen then?????"
Maybe it’s only men that have 9-5 jobs are cunts

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By *eamworkboyMan over a year ago

Irvine

"A member of parliament suggested this right? Absurd!

Yes it is currently being discussed in parliament in regards to the Sarah Everard case

Being mentioned by one person in the House of Lords is very different from "currently being discussed in parliament" "

Exactly that, especially as the one that mentioned it was from the Green party

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Totally stupid.

What does it mean for men who finish work after curfew, or go to the shops because they don't have any other time to do it.

Maybe women should live in a society where we feel safe, that we don't have to keep looking behind us when walking/ jogging, back tracking, taking the long route home to avoid dark areas, where we don't need location trackers on our phones and keys in our hands.

Maybe we should consider the fact that not all men are dangerous and that we should give them the benefit of the doubt. In doing so though men should respect boundaries and that No means No and not hurl abuse , just accept and move on.

Since all of this has come to light something like 9/10 women have admitted to being assaulted/ sexually harassed or stalked. Despite the women's lib movement we will the majority of the time be the weaker sex. I accept that through gritted teeth, im 5ft and not strong by any means and admit I couldn't fight someone off of me easily. Its sad that I've thought that through though.

I speak from my experience, I was stalked for a number of years by a man who went on to serve 7 years for a sexual attack and gbh for a prior attack. I then was stalked by an ex who thought it was acceptable to hound me and make my life uncomfortable.

Its important men know how vulnerable women feel on a day to day basis be it at home, the work place , the supermarket or running errands.

Also as parents we need to raise our boys to respect women and learn how to treat them while teaching our girls how to respect and treat boys it works both ways but also and how to defend themselves in an emergency.

Hope this is as balanced a comment as in my head I wanted it to sound.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Was it not just a hyperbole? Said in a way to make people say "you can't do that" or "totally unrealistic" yet them same sectors of society say that if women don't feel safe out at night on their own they should stay at home?

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By *irtydevil666Man over a year ago

bristol

Bonkers.....

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By *aughtynottsCouple over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

Maybe a curfew for everyone with guard towers and check points, random stops, mass hangings a true dystopian novel!

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By *lim and louiseCouple over a year ago

dromore

Utter rubbish,who's going to drive all the trucks at night taking food etc,to the shops?? Yes their women truck drivers but not that many and all the other jobs that men do at night??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I disagree with the notion in the strongest possible terms.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"Was it not just a hyperbole? Said in a way to make people say "you can't do that" or "totally unrealistic" yet them same sectors of society say that if women don't feel safe out at night on their own they should stay at home? "

Yes it was exactly this

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By *melia DominaTV/TS over a year ago

Edinburgh (She/Her)

Love the idea..

You do mean chastity for all men after 6pm don't you...!!!

Only men that can be accounted for by a female with them can be allowed to be unlocked.

Otherwise lock them all up!!! In fact make it 24/7...

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By *entGent75Man over a year ago

Dartford

We are just a knee jerk reaction society. I'd have to try really hard to be intimidating but i have always considered that late at night, walking back from a club, pub or wherever, if i thought i'd be freaking someone out by being behind them, i'd either take another route, cross the road etc but that is my nature. This wouldn't cross many people's minds and even with Covid and social distancing, a large proportion of people have no spatial awareness for this to even register that their actions impact on others.

If a person is intending to harm someone else, there isn't much a curfew will do to prevent that. They would take their opportunity when it arises like that Officer did with what would appear to be with the assistance of a woman. To restrict the movement of men after 6pm would infer that all men are dangerous which isn't right, just or fair. What message would that send to our children aswell to perpetrate fear in both sexes that men are dangerous, or that if you are male you could be dangerous to others. Food for thought i hope and a bit more consideration to all men not just reacting to those who seek to harm others.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes it was exactly this"

It's bad that more people are outraged about this than they are about the act that started the debate. People are to quick to turn a blind eye to womens safety. It says something when a woman is more likely to attract attention if she shouts "fire" rather than "help"

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By *reatformeatWoman over a year ago

my own bubble

Most stupid suggestion ever and to think these lunatics are in parliament is more disturbing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Didn’t know some politics was going into comedy but

the woman was using it in context with what women are told to look after themselves. She was making a point about how ludicrous it all is .

Don’t go out late - don’t walk alone . Don’t wear headphones . Don’t wear a vest top . Don’t show to much leg etc etc .

Was obvious some of the shitrag papers / sites would it eat up for a story

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Didn’t know some politics was going into comedy but

the woman was using it in context with what women are told to look after themselves. She was making a point about how ludicrous it all is .

Don’t go out late - don’t walk alone . Don’t wear headphones . Don’t wear a vest top . Don’t show to much leg etc etc .

Was obvious some of the shitrag papers / sites would it eat up for a story

There was an art exhibition a few years back about what some females wore when they were attacked. The majority of them were normal everyday clothes such as jeans, t shirts, hoodies, that sort of thing. It. Totally dispelled the myth that it's clothes that are the problem. Something else that proves that theory wrong is the fact that if lesbians and bi woman can control themselves round scantily dressed women then maybe its not the clothes that are the issue.

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By *an_LexaCouple over a year ago

Sunderland

It is ridiculous as are the statements about women don’t go out, don’t wear a revealing too, don’t wear a shirt skirt

BUT

I do strongly believe we are responsible to some degree for ourselves. It is equally ridiculous to say I want to walk down that subway that’s unlit instead of walking around it on the main road where there is lighting. That is unnecessarily putting yourself into a dangerous situation. There is a sensible middle line to be taken always

Lex

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

"Didn’t know some politics was going into comedy but

the woman was using it in context with what women are told to look after themselves. She was making a point about how ludicrous it all is .

Don’t go out late - don’t walk alone . Don’t wear headphones . Don’t wear a vest top . Don’t show to much leg etc etc .

Was obvious some of the shitrag papers / sites would it eat up for a story

Don’t wear headphones is a sensible suggestion, if you are zoned out to music how can you hear what is going on around you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Was this something suggested by someone from the Green Party. I can’t see how it would ever work total nonsense

Mark Drakeford, The Welsh first minister and in charge of the decision making is considering it"

No he isn't.

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By *urtyGentMan over a year ago

eastleigh

What’s more ridiculous, telling men they can’t leave home after 6pm or telling women’s not to go out after dark which was the Mets genuine advice?

Genuine question

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is stupid however all that have been convicted of previous assaults etc I would understand the curfew as they have already committed offences.

However as always seems to be another way to blame all men for a minority

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Didn’t know some politics was going into comedy but

the woman was using it in context with what women are told to look after themselves. She was making a point about how ludicrous it all is .

Don’t go out late - don’t walk alone . Don’t wear headphones . Don’t wear a vest top . Don’t show to much leg etc etc .

Was obvious some of the shitrag papers / sites would it eat up for a story

Yeah it’s silly people need to learn to not be a predator or entitled prick .

I have big boobs (implants ) in summer I wear vest tops. The amount of comments I get is mad I had a car swerve over pavement and stop to ask if I wanted to get in and he will drive me home

When I declined I was given the old. But look at your big tits you are clearly gagging for it

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"Didn’t know some politics was going into comedy but

the woman was using it in context with what women are told to look after themselves. She was making a point about how ludicrous it all is .

Don’t go out late - don’t walk alone . Don’t wear headphones . Don’t wear a vest top . Don’t show to much leg etc etc .

Was obvious some of the shitrag papers / sites would it eat up for a story

They didn't need to though. It's clear from all the discussion about it that some people are completely incapable of considering the context and subtleties of the point being made and just go into meltdown over their very black and white interpretation but this is far from the first time I've seen that happen. People these days don't seem to want to understand an issue, they just want to read sound bites of information and either latch onto those they agree with and repeat it for eternity or be outraged after reading a single sentence (usually a headline granted).

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By *radleyandRavenCouple over a year ago

Herts

It was my understanding that it was said to prove a point rather than a serious suggestion...

As in "People don't bat an eyelid when Women are simply told to stay locked up at home for their own safety, but everyone loses their shit when you suggest that Men should stay at home".

Either way, Women kill too, so...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Didn’t know some politics was going into comedy but

the woman was using it in context with what women are told to look after themselves. She was making a point about how ludicrous it all is .

Don’t go out late - don’t walk alone . Don’t wear headphones . Don’t wear a vest top . Don’t show to much leg etc etc .

Was obvious some of the shitrag papers / sites would it eat up for a story

Don’t wear headphones is a sensible suggestion, if you are zoned out to music how can you hear what is going on around you. "

Of course that’s situational awareness but it affects women far more than men . In certain areas you need to be vigilant regardless of gender .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Didn’t know some politics was going into comedy but

the woman was using it in context with what women are told to look after themselves. She was making a point about how ludicrous it all is .

Don’t go out late - don’t walk alone . Don’t wear headphones . Don’t wear a vest top . Don’t show to much leg etc etc .

Was obvious some of the shitrag papers / sites would it eat up for a story

Yeah it’s silly people need to learn to not be a predator or entitled prick .

I have big boobs (implants ) in summer I wear vest tops. The amount of comments I get is mad I had a car swerve over pavement and stop to ask if I wanted to get in and he will drive me home

When I declined I was given the old. But look at your big tits you are clearly gagging for it

That's awful. The size of someone's knockers shouldn't be a determination as to their willingness to have a quick fumble.

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By *VineMan over a year ago

The right place

This is more or les my life already.

But still a silly idea.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No different to how it is right now, but in a word nuts

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

Is my only thought on this

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By *olden PoleMan over a year ago

Kent

I think we need to except there are wicked people both male and female.

Rose West

Maxine Carr

Myra Hindly.....to name just the most obvious female.

I’ll be honest with you that you lady’s are not TG only ones who walk the street with a high level of concern for your safety. I totally understand that your more prone to sexual abuse but the spectre of harm or even death looms almost everywhere for us men.

To accidentally catch someone’s eye nowadays can be enough to provoke responses of “oi what the F you looking at.

To walk past a gang of youths, one can feel the burning desire of them to bash a grown man and film it for social media...spiting in ones path to provoke reaction.

We are ALL in harms way each time we step out into the streets because in my humble opinion society had lost its way.

Respect had gone.

Tolerance has gone.

The police seem just a token force...hang on they are not a force anymore but the police service.

The idea of locking men away after 6pm is just as stupid as it sounds because there are some of us men out there who would risk our own life’s to defend another person regardless of gender.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You don’t want to hear my thoughts on this.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"What’s more ridiculous, telling men they can’t leave home after 6pm or telling women’s not to go out after dark which was the Mets genuine advice?

Genuine question"

Yep. I really wish more people would get as outraged over women being told this. Literally yesterday I had this conversation with a guy at work and he said "well why do you want to go out after dark anyway?" It's getting dark at 5pm in winter and I often work far later than this. Who's going to tell my boss I need early finishes all winter so I can get home before dark?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

"Didn’t know some politics was going into comedy but

the woman was using it in context with what women are told to look after themselves. She was making a point about how ludicrous it all is .

Don’t go out late - don’t walk alone . Don’t wear headphones . Don’t wear a vest top . Don’t show to much leg etc etc .

Was obvious some of the shitrag papers / sites would it eat up for a story

Don’t wear headphones is a sensible suggestion, if you are zoned out to music how can you hear what is going on around you.

Of course that’s situational awareness but it affects women far more than men . In certain areas you need to be vigilant regardless of gender . "

I have no idea whether it effects a gender more than others. Everyone should be vigilant and take responsibility for their situational awareness and headphones is a simple one, just like those that choose to walk with their face in their phone rather than looking where they are going.

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By *xtrafun4youMan over a year ago

Dunstable

"Thoughts..?"
what fake news.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I cant ever see a UK government actually putting legislation forward to propose this idea for a variety of reasons.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"I think we need to except there are wicked people both male and female.

Rose West

Maxine Carr

Myra Hindly.....to name just the most obvious female.

Maxine Carr gave someone a false alibi. She isn't a murderer.

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By * and R cple4Couple over a year ago

swansea

"I think we need to except there are wicked people both male and female.

Rose West

Maxine Carr

Myra Hindly.....to name just the most obvious female.

Maxine Carr gave someone a false alibi. She isn't a murderer."
She wasn’t stupid tho she knew why he wanted a false alibi which still makes her a evil

Cunt..

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

Because women are only subjected to negative confrontations with men after 6pm? What time are they allowed out in the morning?

Our chances of assault, murder, r*ape are far less than the constant harassment we get every single day that makes us fell unsafe and weary of r*pe, murder and assault.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They couldn't get people to stay inside in a worldwide pandemic.

when literally thousands were /are dying.

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By *olden PoleMan over a year ago

Kent

"I think we need to except there are wicked people both male and female.

Rose West

Maxine Carr

Myra Hindly.....to name just the most obvious female.

Maxine Carr gave someone a false alibi. She isn't a murderer."

Yes I totally understand the differences in each I chose to use as examples but wicked never the less.

To shield someone knowing he murdered to girls is to me wicked.

I just want to try and express that both men and women can be wicked but both men and women are capable of acts of selfless bravery, kindness and sacrifice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So, ladies, if you want to dine out with your husband, do it at lunchtime?

Fancy a night at the cinema? Take your mate?

Family party? Sorry lads

Family wedding? Dad, get to yourself home, it's nearly six o'clock

It just isn't a viable option

If, however, there is a trickle down that IS workable, that can only be a good thing

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By *ersey GirlCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

Yes because sexual assaults don't happen during the day

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By *aughtynottsCouple over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

I do think this is being approached from the wrong angle we need better punishment for offenders I believe r*pe and murder should carry a death sentence!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We need to educate our children on the issue of treatment of women. Sadly it’s too late for today’s youth, but if we can change the cultural view with children now, by the time they have kids it may be more normal

I had a massive argument in the office with 3 workmates about this (think I’ll be called into HR on Monday), they didn’t get what the intention of the statement was; it was a bit of a laugh to them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Something else as well. Men that are scared or wary about going out alone at night because of fears of assault or violence is because of other men. Collectively, all of us, doesn't matter if your male or female, doesn't matter if you're a mum, a dad, a cousin, an auntie, it doesn't matter we all need to teach our boys to do better. To treat people as just that. To have consideration, to have empathy and above all else how to treat each other.

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

"Something else as well. Men that are scared or wary about going out alone at night because of fears of assault or violence is because of other men. Collectively, all of us, doesn't matter if your male or female, doesn't matter if you're a mum, a dad, a cousin, an auntie, it doesn't matter we all need to teach our boys to do better. To treat people as just that. To have consideration, to have empathy and above all else how to treat each other. "

Delete your profile and remove yourself from fab immediately young lady !!!

There's no room for people who post well thought out, sensible, logical responses

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By *oiluvfunMan over a year ago

Penrith

"Thoughts..?"

More men likely to start dressing as women?

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By *ljamMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

It wasn't a serious suggestion. No one is seriously thinking of imposing it. It was said to make a point and get a conversation going. Naturally that has flown over the heads of many...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Unreasonable unrealistic and unfair

Lets just be done and demonise the whole of the male population....I thought as species we would move forward with our thinking not backward, there will be suggestions of pitchforks and fires next.

You cannot punish the whole of the male demograph for the disgusting acts of a few.

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By *ing-louisMan over a year ago

Merthyr

Would this include police men? Cos, y'know...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Delete your profile and remove yourself from fab immediately young lady !!!

There's no room for people who post well thought out, sensible, logical responses

Been a while since I've been called a young lady.

Seriously though, some people go face first into the point and still can't see it. X

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

The intent is to start the discussion and shift the focus from victim blaming to issue resolution.

Rather than the reactionary stance of “they can’t take away my liberties”, think of it more like; ‘this is how we’ve told women to live, in order to remain ‘safe’ for years, is that fair?’

The point is that, rather than removing the object of abuse, why not remove the abusers?

It’s not demonising, it’s about trying to look at alternate ways of mitigation. If guys feel that this demonises them, then perhaps we need to look at how women are living currently.

I’m sure that I’ll get a string of ‘not all men’ from this but that’s part of the issue

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

Bingo!

Teach our kids to do better and hold other guys to account for their actions, that’s what needs to happen

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By *radleyandRavenCouple over a year ago

Herts

Even if this were genuinely being considered, another factor for you - What if Men suddenly start claiming to identify as non-binary/non-gender specific?

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

She said it to start a debate about womens safety and, what women have been told to do.

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

I don't think this was ever meant to be taken as a serious proposition. Only to highlight what women are taught from a young age. It's what we are expected to do, but there's an outrage if men think it may happen to them.

Hopefully, this conversation has highlighted to some men how some women feel. And if it has the green member of parliament has done well.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"I do think this is being approached from the wrong angle we need better punishment for offenders I believe r*pe and murder should carry a death sentence!"

The majority of rapists are never even arrested.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Going by this logic then the only emergency service personnel out after 6 would be female. Pretty sure that the fire service and police are already stretched enough without having to get rid of more than half of their workforce. Stupid idea

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Even if this were genuinely being considered, another factor for you - What if Men suddenly start claiming to identify as non-binary/non-gender specific?"

Which is supported by the same person who proposed the curfew.

Treat the cause, not the symptom.

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By *ittleAcornMan over a year ago

visiting the beach

Yes it was exactly this

Yes, this thread bears that out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Non-story, it’s totally unworkable.

The gutter press have just latched onto it and whipped it up for bait and outrage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Stupid

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By *rincess peachWoman over a year ago

shits creek

"Unreasonable unrealistic and unfair

Lets just be done and demonise the whole of the male population....I thought as species we would move forward with our thinking not backward, there will be suggestions of pitchforks and fires next.

You cannot punish the whole of the male demograph for the disgusting acts of a few.

Yet the whole of the female demograph is being punished for being born with a vag. We've been told forever not to go out after dark, we've been told forever "well you shouldn't have been out after dark" when we've been subjected to harassment. We've been told "you should have had that much to drink" when we've been assaulted on a night out. We've been told "what did you think was gonna happen wearing those clothes"

It wasn't about men really being given a curfew. It was about men getting a sense of what it's like to be a woman. Being victimised, being restricted, being told it's your own fault for being a certain sex.

Hopefully, just hopefully they'll actually take it on board and consider their actions more carefully. Hopefully, just hopefully it'll make them think twice before catcalling, whistling, running up behind someone, grabbing someone's arse, taking a sly photo on the train of someone's tits, sitting next to someone on a bus when they're the only other person on it, pressuring someone for their phone number. The list is vast, but the list is something that lots see as banter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do think this is being approached from the wrong angle we need better punishment for offenders I believe r*pe and murder should carry a death sentence!

The majority of rapists are never even arrested. "

I think it's something like 98% of them are never even convicted.

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

Logically even if there was a curfew, the front line services would still be working. Let's not pretend it's about practicalities. People don't want their freedom taken away from them, and quite rightly so.

The point is that you are missing is that women already have some of their freedom taken away. We want you to consider that and help make the streets safer.

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By *hubaysiWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"A sad reflection of what todays society has become.

Women are encouraged to work jobs that are normally done by men yet cant walk/run along a street with out feeling intimiadated.

Now men are being made to feel that they are all a threat to women.

The minority of men cause problems for the majority of men who have respect. "

This exactly. I’ve been the subject of 2 men who parked next to me at a Club and informed me when I got to my car they would follow me home and do bad things to me as they had watched me in the club all evening. I was too scared to walk across the car park back into the club in case I was grabbed! Luckily my fwb was parked in his car near me so I rang him and he told me to set off and he would stay and watch them. Luckily they did not follow me and I rang the club owner the next day who knew who they were.

It’s a scary world for women when there are a few men who cause problems like this.

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By *andAukCouple over a year ago

leeds

"I do think this is being approached from the wrong angle we need better punishment for offenders I believe r*pe and murder should carry a death sentence!"

All crime should carry a larger sentence. We may actually see a reduction in it then.

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By *HaRiFMan over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

"Thoughts..?"

Just going in the context you put it yeah sure why not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do think this is being approached from the wrong angle we need better punishment for offenders I believe r*pe and murder should carry a death sentence!

The majority of rapists are never even arrested.

I think it's something like 98% of them are never even convicted. "

Sadly it's often one word against another, with no other evidence.

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By *olden PoleMan over a year ago

Kent

"I do think this is being approached from the wrong angle we need better punishment for offenders I believe r*pe and murder should carry a death sentence!

All crime should carry a larger sentence. We may actually see a reduction in it then."

I agree with the death penalty for crimes such as...

James Bulger

Soham murders

Sarah Payne....and the most recent case.

I know the killers of James Bulger were only children themselves and even I cannot see how we can condemn children to death but would the death penalty act as a serious deterrent?

On another thread regarding James Bulger, there was a higher agreement for the death penalty.

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

"A sad reflection of what todays society has become.

Women are encouraged to work jobs that are normally done by men yet cant walk/run along a street with out feeling intimiadated.

Now men are being made to feel that they are all a threat to women.

The minority of men cause problems for the majority of men who have respect.

It’s a scary world for women when there are a few men who cause problems like this. "

These comments ‘it’s a few men’ really make me wonder how people consider this.

The study shows that 98% of women had received some degree of sexual harassment. These aren’t the actions of ‘a few’ these are the actions of most.

Newsflash; if you’ve not taken no for an answer, sent an unsolicited cock pic, grabbed or touched someone inappropriately, cat called, pestered, commented overtly on a woman’s sexual availability, amongst other things, then you’re part of the problem.

The people doing these things are all around us, probably even commented on this. Until guys learn to stop, then this will continue and it needs to stop

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

Just lock us all in the pub with the football on. Problem solved

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

It's an over reaction to what is a terrible problem in our societies globally and effects many areas..

The solutions are much more complex and such hyperbolic emotional suggestions which may have some support on a simplistic basis will not address the issues..

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

"I do think this is being approached from the wrong angle we need better punishment for offenders I believe r*pe and murder should carry a death sentence!

The majority of rapists are never even arrested.

I think it's something like 98% of them are never even convicted.

Sadly it's often one word against another, with no other evidence.

That’s not even the case. The CPS will only move forwards with cases that they know they will win. Irrefutable evidence. That rules out the vast majority of cases.

Sadly they won’t prosecute even with DNA evidence.

Rapists walk free all the time, every day as the CPS doesn’t want to argue cases of consent

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By *hilledGuerillaMan over a year ago

In the monkey house

All men, no matter what job they do, should all do it for a week or two just to see what actually happens. Can’t see an overall positive result coming from it.

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By *wistedTooCouple over a year ago

Frimley

Cant happen in U.K. law for reasons of prejudice. Men aren’t the problem. Psychos and weirdos are the problem. You can’t blanket everyone with the same stupid things like this. And anyway, again, it would not be possible to enact this as it would fall under laws protecting groups of people from segregation based on their sex.

Also, the person who even brought this up in parliament needs to be sacked. It’s not just an inane comment to suggest, it’s downright clear that this person isn’t an intellectually capable minister and thus, should not be getting paid for their job.

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By *wistedTooCouple over a year ago

Frimley

"The study shows that 98% of women had received some degree of sexual harassment."

An absolutely trash figure. Not possible to actually take that averaged out statistic based on a fraction of the country’s women to suggest it’s a real figure. 98% my ass.

There’s so many things to consider. 1. If 98% of the entirely population of the country has been sexually harassed, that automatically means a MASSIVE proportion of the country’s men are fucking cunts.

If it is truly the case, I must be a fucking saint because I have never once harassed a woman or made anyone feel that way. Not even close.

Most men are not predators and most men do not treat women like shit. Saying 98% of women have experienced it means most men are absolute fucking dicks. Just unrealistic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Was this not proposed buy the same Green 'Peace' lady who used data protection laws to obtain files on herself from the database, which police say is used to monitor activists who could use criminal methods to promote their political aims. She insisted that she and another be removed from this database.

There's an irony here.

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By *wistedTooCouple over a year ago

Frimley

"Was this not proposed buy the same Green 'Peace' lady who used data protection laws to obtain files on herself from the database, which police say is used to monitor activists who could use criminal methods to promote their political aims. She insisted that she and another be removed from this database.

There's an irony here."

The woman needs to be sacked. Using money from other people to get paid to speak such drivel. What a sad state. I think we should ban all women from going out after 6pm because I once saw a woman stab a guy she’d never even met before just while he was getting cash out.

Does that sound sensible? Of course not. The weirdo guys out there doing shit is going to in the 0.X% of the men in this country. Punishing everyone because we are born in a certain body is fucking ridiculous and adds to the problem. Solutions are prevention and punishment of the crimes, not talking out of your idiot ass in parliament.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If that were to happen, I would just not identify myself as a man. Easy!

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

There's an irony here.

The entire point is that women effectively have a curfew or we're "asking for trouble" and it's then our fault if anything happens to us.

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

Not a Daily Mail story by any chance?

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"The study shows that 98% of women had received some degree of sexual harassment.

An absolutely trash figure. Not possible to actually take that averaged out statistic based on a fraction of the country’s women to suggest it’s a real figure. 98% my ass.

If it is truly the case, I must be a fucking saint because I have never once harassed a woman or made anyone feel that way. Not even close.

Most men are not predators and most men do not treat women like shit. Saying 98% of women have experienced it means most men are absolute fucking dicks. Just unrealistic."

So women are just liars then?

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By *iaisonseekerMan over a year ago

Liverpool

There's an irony here.

The entire point is that women effectively have a curfew or we're "asking for trouble" and it's then our fault if anything happens to us. "

Lots of men don't feel safe walking alone down streets late at night.

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By *otSoPoshWoman over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon

I have a much better idea. Let's give everyone a curfew. In fact because these things happen in daylight as well, let's just not allow people.out and about except for the necessary things.

That'll completely stop all harassment and assaults.

Oh. Wait

Some people are pricks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I see the gutter press is doing it's job well - working the masses into a frenzy!

This will never happen

Relax.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The study shows that 98% of women had received some degree of sexual harassment.

An absolutely trash figure. Not possible to actually take that averaged out statistic based on a fraction of the country’s women to suggest it’s a real figure. 98% my ass.

If it is truly the case, I must be a fucking saint because I have never once harassed a woman or made anyone feel that way. Not even close.

Most men are not predators and most men do not treat women like shit. Saying 98% of women have experienced it means most men are absolute fucking dicks. Just unrealistic."

In another thread on here said this 98% included just about anything that a woman felt was abuse and included "sending dick pics". Some ladies argued differently on the issue but were forum shamed by their own peers. Technically its more like 100% as there isn't a universally clear activity which doesn't cause sexual harassment to someone.

As I posted in a forum on Meghan and Opera Oprah, as Oprah asked...."it's your truth" as if it can therefore never be challenged.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bloody stupid and an insultingly quick and easy 'solution' to a much more difficult and multi faceted problem.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The study shows that 98% of women had received some degree of sexual harassment.

An absolutely trash figure. Not possible to actually take that averaged out statistic based on a fraction of the country’s women to suggest it’s a real figure. 98% my ass.

If it is truly the case, I must be a fucking saint because I have never once harassed a woman or made anyone feel that way. Not even close.

Most men are not predators and most men do not treat women like shit. Saying 98% of women have experienced it means most men are absolute fucking dicks. Just unrealistic."

Eyeing up someones boobs could even be classed as harassment

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

There's an irony here.

The entire point is that women effectively have a curfew or we're "asking for trouble" and it's then our fault if anything happens to us.

Lots of men don't feel safe walking alone down streets late at night."

Because of women?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

The person suggesting this was making a point about how society expects women to adapt to avoid male violence, and not by addressing male behaviour.

It's not a serious legal proposal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There's an irony here.

The entire point is that women effectively have a curfew or we're "asking for trouble" and it's then our fault if anything happens to us.

Lots of men don't feel safe walking alone down streets late at night."

Because of fears of violence or assault from other men!

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By *wistedTooCouple over a year ago

Frimley

"If that were to happen, I would just not identify myself as a man. Easy!

Hah. But it won’t and can’t. So I’m not even thinking about it.

What I am thinking about is that when people I know need to walk late at night... women OR men, if I know about it, I’m the first to offer a lift. This is not a world where even men feel safe on many streets. We live in a pretty amazing part of the world and should be glad we aren’t seeing the kind of violence you get on say, the streets in Mexico or the war zones in Israel or the insane bullshit laws around women’s rights in the Middle East. We are very lucky. But these kind of things still happen and we should all do our best to help each other. This isn’t about teaching guys that stalking is wrong... yeh, let me be clear.. we fucking know it’s wrong. The minuscule amount of ropey mother fuckers doing it and aggravating women are not part of our crowd. They’re idiots who know it’s wrong. They just don’t care. It’s not about “protecting our little women” either. Shit, I’ve known women who can beat up a few of the bigger guys here lol. It’s about all being aware that if we can help, we should. If you know someone takes a dangerous path home and you can offer a lift (lockdown makes it difficult right now of course), then do so. If your mate is a dick to women, punch his fucking head in and ask if he likes it. You know, the little things.

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By *etcplCouple over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

Because the people put in charge to enforce curfews or lockdowns are likely to include the kinds of people you should be wary of.

This is from a Sky news piece in July 2020:

“Police forces across the UK employ at least 211 officers and PCSOs who have been convicted of criminal offences, a Sky News investigation has found.

But the actual number is likely to be much higher as just a third of UK police forces revealed how many of their serving officers had broken the law.”

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By *esmond and Molly JonesCouple over a year ago

Watford

The fact this is even being put forward for serious debate shows how far backwards we have gone, and how authoritarian our legislators have become.

This stupid woman should be expelled from the Green party.

I don't remember a call for all women to be curfewed after Beverley Allitt or Myra Hyndley did their crimes.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"The person suggesting this was making a point about how society expects women to adapt to avoid male violence, and not by addressing male behaviour.

It's not a serious legal proposal. "

Exactly.

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By *wistedTooCouple over a year ago

Frimley

There's an irony here.

The entire point is that women effectively have a curfew or we're "asking for trouble" and it's then our fault if anything happens to us.

Lots of men don't feel safe walking alone down streets late at night.

Because of fears of violence or assault from other men! "

You’ve utterly missed my entire point.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

I don't remember a call for all women to be curfewed after Beverley Allitt or Myra Hyndley did their crimes.

Should all Policemen be put under house arrest ?

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

It’s got you all talking though. Which is a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If that were to happen, I would just not identify myself as a man. Easy!

It's becoming more and more difficult to argue against your response now.

It wasn't long ago that a 'male' bather went into the female only outdoor pool in London and was asked to leave, but argued "today I'm a female".

His lawyer argued this in court under the sexual discrimination act.

Later on around 20 members of the Man Friday group took to the male-only bathing pool on Hampstead Heath. One woman donned a bushy beard while another swam in a lime mankini to demonstrate that they identified as men.

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

I genuinely fear for those who think this is actually going to happen

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes it was exactly this

I keep reading this on threads. Is this actually true? Who carried out this piece of research?

It does sound like an anecdotal urban myth.

Im not disparaging that people feel unsafe at night or that many women have felt they were at risk or have been subject to attack.

However if we are going to make significant improvements to personal safety, change behaviours and societal attitudes then we need to work with facts and evidence not hyperbole and exaggerations. The reality is grim enough.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If that were to happen, I would just not identify myself as a man. Easy!

Hah. But it won’t and can’t. So I’m not even thinking about it.

But it has... 2018 Hampton bathing pools.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes it was exactly this

I keep reading this on threads. Is this actually true? Who carried out this piece of research?

It does sound like an anecdotal urban myth.

Im not disparaging that people feel unsafe at night or that many women have felt they were at risk or have been subject to attack.

Agree with much of this.

Sadly all too often thought the response is a bandage and appeases many whist it doesn't stop those who are perpetrating the acts whatever they are. They will continue to do it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is it really that bad in the UK ? Wanting to restrict men's freedom of movement is it that warranted ? I being naive because I don't know since alot of attacks on women are under reported atleast in the states they are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is it really that bad in the UK ? Wanting to restrict men's freedom of movement is it that warranted ? I being naive because I don't know since alot of attacks on women are under reported atleast in the states they are. "

I understand your point.

I guess the issue shouldn't be compared to other countries which for many here they could never survive emotionally or mentally as their attitudes are at the other extreme of the spectrum.

We can only look and deal with our own; our homes, children, friends, village, town, country, forum interactions. Comparisons have their place but as we've seen in the pandemic debates they have limited value as comparisons are mostly incomparable.

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By *r. Pepper...Man over a year ago

liverpool

Who would be driving all the buses, trains, taxi's, delivering your food shopping, take aways and Amazon deliveries after 6pm then?

Absurd idea that would never work

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Absolutely ridiculous

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

There's an irony here.

The entire point is that women effectively have a curfew or we're "asking for trouble" and it's then our fault if anything happens to us.

Lots of men don't feel safe walking alone down streets late at night.

Because of fears of violence or assault from other men!

You’ve utterly missed my entire point."

I think that your response of statistics and disbelief is entirely understandable but then using that as a leaping point to hit ‘it’s not true’ is deeply problematic.

I realise that it’s an uncomfortable thought but if these women are telling their truth, which they have no reason not to, then the conclusion must be that a lot of guys really are that bad.

I know it’s hard to live with but the alternate option is to ignore women when they do speak up about their bodies, which is even more uncomfortable

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By *ittleAcornMan over a year ago

visiting the beach

There's an irony here.

The entire point is that women effectively have a curfew or we're "asking for trouble" and it's then our fault if anything happens to us.

Lots of men don't feel safe walking alone down streets late at night.

Because of fears of violence or assault from other men!

You’ve utterly missed my entire point.

I think that your response of statistics and disbelief is entirely understandable but then using that as a leaping point to hit ‘it’s not true’ is deeply problematic.

I realise that it’s an uncomfortable thought but if these women are telling their truth, which they have no reason not to, then the conclusion must be that a lot of guys really are that bad.

I know it’s hard to live with but the alternate option is to ignore women when they do speak up about their bodies, which is even more uncomfortable

Exactly, if you struggle with the statistics. Just glance over this thread...

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/1132732

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If this was to get passed any females in Derbyshire free of an evening to take my dog a walk for me please as I very rarely get home before 7, come to that how would I get home if once the clock strikes 6 I have to run for the refugee of a building to insure I'm not breaking the curfew

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By *iaisonseekerMan over a year ago

Liverpool

There's an irony here.

The entire point is that women effectively have a curfew or we're "asking for trouble" and it's then our fault if anything happens to us.

Lots of men don't feel safe walking alone down streets late at night.

Because of women? "

Because of the perceived threat of criminal behaviour. There has been an understandable explosion of women documenting their hyper-vigilant and avoidant practices when alone in public but men do this too. Whether to the same degree, I don't know if there is evidence to support that.

My experience may not be representative but I have been assaulted and harassed by women in public (more so than by men). I also think women overlook the extent that they are perpetrators of harassment, especially in rule-bound, institutional environments where they feel safer doing so. I have been bullied by far more women at work than men for example. I think it is more helpful to focus on the behaviour in question than the gender of the perpetrator personally.

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By *wistedTooCouple over a year ago

Frimley

There's an irony here.

The entire point is that women effectively have a curfew or we're "asking for trouble" and it's then our fault if anything happens to us.

Lots of men don't feel safe walking alone down streets late at night.

Because of fears of violence or assault from other men!

You’ve utterly missed my entire point.

I think that your response of statistics and disbelief is entirely understandable but then using that as a leaping point to hit ‘it’s not true’ is deeply problematic.

I realise that it’s an uncomfortable thought but if these women are telling their truth, which they have no reason not to, then the conclusion must be that a lot of guys really are that bad.

I know it’s hard to live with but the alternate option is to ignore women when they do speak up about their bodies, which is even more uncomfortable "

I didn’t say they weren’t telling the truth. But the 98% figure is wrong. Now, I know plenty of women have had problems with lower guys thinking they have the right to do whatever they please. They do not. There’s genuine and tough reality in this couple in a past relationship of sexual violence. So don’t assume anything I say. But the fact is, everything I see about it says the following;

Men are the problem

All men need to fix the problem

That has nothing to do with actual solutions as to how to eradicate the weirdos who do this kind of shit. Not one group or even person has proposed anything other than hyperbolic and inflammatory statements. This does not solve the issue.

And honestly, I (Dave... stayed out of guilt) suffered serious, bone breaking violence in a relationship for years and no one gives a shit about that. There’s no one size fits all answer to any of this stuff and it’s inane to even waste breath bringing stupid “solutions” up. Honestly, there is no perfect solution, but wide bullshit concepts to fit the issue - or worse, to get Twitter likes - is not useful.

Someone here, a woman who has experienced actual violence in the streets - if you have any real, sensible suggestions, we’re all ears, Sammi (who as mentioned did suffer a horrific attack) has no answer to it.

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By *xydadbodMan over a year ago

Milton keynes

How would they enforced this exactly? To be fair I don't go out much in evenings anyway but I do visit my kids as often as I can but surely it's gonna be difficult to enforced that nationwide

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Half the people in Parliament are beasts themselves who are they to talk

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

There's an irony here.

The entire point is that women effectively have a curfew or we're "asking for trouble" and it's then our fault if anything happens to us.

Lots of men don't feel safe walking alone down streets late at night.

Because of fears of violence or assault from other men!

You’ve utterly missed my entire point.

I think that your response of statistics and disbelief is entirely understandable but then using that as a leaping point to hit ‘it’s not true’ is deeply problematic.

I realise that it’s an uncomfortable thought but if these women are telling their truth, which they have no reason not to, then the conclusion must be that a lot of guys really are that bad.

I know it’s hard to live with but the alternate option is to ignore women when they do speak up about their bodies, which is even more uncomfortable

Men are the problem

All men need to fix the problem

98% of women say they have been sexually harrassed. You say the figure is wrong but you're not saying they're not telling the truth? How does that work?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There's an irony here.

The entire point is that women effectively have a curfew or we're "asking for trouble" and it's then our fault if anything happens to us.

Lots of men don't feel safe walking alone down streets late at night.

Because of fears of violence or assault from other men!

You’ve utterly missed my entire point.

I think that your response of statistics and disbelief is entirely understandable but then using that as a leaping point to hit ‘it’s not true’ is deeply problematic.

I realise that it’s an uncomfortable thought but if these women are telling their truth, which they have no reason not to, then the conclusion must be that a lot of guys really are that bad.

I know it’s hard to live with but the alternate option is to ignore women when they do speak up about their bodies, which is even more uncomfortable

Men are the problem

All men need to fix the problem

98% of women say they have been sexually harrassed. You say the figure is wrong but you're not saying they're not telling the truth? How does that work? "

Thing is people have different perceptions of “sexually harassed” as seen on the many threads.

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

There's an irony here.

The entire point is that women effectively have a curfew or we're "asking for trouble" and it's then our fault if anything happens to us.

Lots of men don't feel safe walking alone down streets late at night.

Because of fears of violence or assault from other men!

You’ve utterly missed my entire point.

I think that your response of statistics and disbelief is entirely understandable but then using that as a leaping point to hit ‘it’s not true’ is deeply problematic.

I realise that it’s an uncomfortable thought but if these women are telling their truth, which they have no reason not to, then the conclusion must be that a lot of guys really are that bad.

I know it’s hard to live with but the alternate option is to ignore women when they do speak up about their bodies, which is even more uncomfortable

Men are the problem

All men need to fix the problem

I think that it’s easy, comforting and ultimately, a fallacy, to call them ‘low life’s, monsters or weirdos’ as that distances them from our everyday life.

You disagree that it’s 98% however, until every person in the world is questioned, then the number is still up for question according to that thought process. At some point you have to recognise that (whether you refute the exact number) that statistic is horrific.

That number points to it not being ‘weirdos’, these people are the people that we know.

As for resolving the issues, you reject the concept of accountability from society but have no alternative?

It seems to me that these figures, responses, conclusions and opinions make you feel uncomfortable and so you’re almost in denial about the reality. I understand that but your disbelief is not solving anything

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Totally stupid.

What does it mean for men who finish work after curfew, or go to the shops because they don't have any other time to do it.

Its important men know how vulnerable women feel on a day to day basis be it at home, the work place , the supermarket or running errands.

Hope this is as balanced a comment as in my head I wanted it to sound.

Its not just women who do this. As a genuine man i take my personel safety very seriously and wont walk alone at night unless i have to as i never have done. I carry my keys in my hand and cross to avoid dodgy looking people. This to me is common sense as i know there are idiots about.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

She was playing devils advocate, she appended it in thought to a bill already put forward. Her idea was to provoke thought ...... and it did.

i.e. Stop saying.. keep the women safe by keeping them in ......

She was putting the boot on the other foot and saying ..... How do you like THESE onions .... MEN STAY IN!

She knows it would be ridiculous. She was trying for proper societal solutions ..... not knee jerk ineffective protect the victim actions.

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By *rincess peachWoman over a year ago

shits creek

"She was playing devils advocate, she appended it in thought to a bill already put forward. Her idea was to provoke thought ...... and it did.

i.e. Stop saying.. keep the women safe by keeping them in ......

She was putting the boot on the other foot and saying ..... How do you like THESE onions .... MEN STAY IN!

She knows it would be ridiculous. She was trying for proper societal solutions ..... not knee jerk ineffective protect the victim actions."

Yet something that seems so unbelievably difficult to fucking grasp for many.

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

Thing is people have different perceptions of “sexually harassed” as seen on the many threads. "

I think that whilst the definition of sexual harassment might be less finite than is preferable, isn’t the key point that women were made to feel invaded and harassed?

Whether one considers an unsolicited cock pic to be harassment and another doesn’t, is undermining the discussion and dismissing those that are experiencing it.

Surely the key point should always be consent, if that’s ignored or not sought, then there are issues immediately

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"She was playing devils advocate, she appended it in thought to a bill already put forward. Her idea was to provoke thought ...... and it did.

i.e. Stop saying.. keep the women safe by keeping them in ......

She was putting the boot on the other foot and saying ..... How do you like THESE onions .... MEN STAY IN!

She knows it would be ridiculous. She was trying for proper societal solutions ..... not knee jerk ineffective protect the victim actions."

Yes this is my understanding and quite clever really.

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By *uke OzadeMan over a year ago

Ho Chi Minge City

I start work at 6pm tonight. Who will do the engineering in the factory and who will pay my wages as well as that of all the male staff on that particular shift? That’s a few thousand pounds already on one shift in one factory....not to mention the safety aspect of having extremely few police officers patrolling the streets overnight....probably the most ridiculous and thoughtless proposal and not to mention discriminatory

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

It would only work if all women had to be home at 4 so our tea was ready at 6.

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

"She was playing devils advocate, she appended it in thought to a bill already put forward. Her idea was to provoke thought ...... and it did.

i.e. Stop saying.. keep the women safe by keeping them in ......

She was putting the boot on the other foot and saying ..... How do you like THESE onions .... MEN STAY IN!

She knows it would be ridiculous. She was trying for proper societal solutions ..... not knee jerk ineffective protect the victim actions."

Yep!

A bit louder for those at the back Granny!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It would only work if all women had to be home at 4 so our tea was ready at 6. "
brave

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

"It would only work if all women had to be home at 4 so our tea was ready at 6. brave

It’s pathetic brother it really is

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"It would only work if all women had to be home at 4 so our tea was ready at 6. "

What would you like babe ?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

absolutely this.

I mean, let's say some incredibly accurate research gets done, and it turns out it's not 98%, it's 50%.

So what? It's still a huge issue and warrants action.

There are blatant ways that men try and shut down conversation about violence towards women, and then there are more subtle ways...

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

"It would only work if all women had to be home at 4 so our tea was ready at 6.

What would you like babe ?"

My usual please bae

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By *tephTV67TV/TS over a year ago

Cheshire

Solve a problem with an extreme solution, that would be almost impossible to Police and later prosecute.

As someone else said on the thread, what about the DV issues, especially that type of guy would blame the nearest woman he could beat.

Incel and Men’s groups would then get more aggrieved men in to the fold as well. Ensuring you have more bitter guys around who feel their human rights are being taken away.

The only way to change thinking is to create empathy, get the majority of Men to care about women’s safety and not see each other as in separate camps, that a curfew would certainly create a division not a coming together.

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By *elpful and caringMan over a year ago

Scarborough

What a brilliant idea.

I could do with an early night.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"She was playing devils advocate, she appended it in thought to a bill already put forward. Her idea was to provoke thought ...... and it did.

i.e. Stop saying.. keep the women safe by keeping them in ......

She was putting the boot on the other foot and saying ..... How do you like THESE onions .... MEN STAY IN!

She knows it would be ridiculous. She was trying for proper societal solutions ..... not knee jerk ineffective protect the victim actions.

Yet something that seems so unbelievably difficult to fucking grasp for many. "

I'm sure if I wrote in the Daily DogDoo that Flying Saucers were free in Tesco for everyone that left their shoes n socks on the counter ,people would be walking home barefoot and expecting a delivery soon.

5G Viruses and Freddie Stars Hamster n all that.

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

"She was playing devils advocate, she appended it in thought to a bill already put forward. Her idea was to provoke thought ...... and it did.

i.e. Stop saying.. keep the women safe by keeping them in ......

She was putting the boot on the other foot and saying ..... How do you like THESE onions .... MEN STAY IN!

She knows it would be ridiculous. She was trying for proper societal solutions ..... not knee jerk ineffective protect the victim actions.

Yet something that seems so unbelievably difficult to fucking grasp for many.

5G Viruses and Freddie Stars Hamster n all that."

Exactly, especially when everyone knows that it’s the 5G that makes everyone gay.

Bloody rags misreporting everything

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

"Thoughts..?"
absolutely ridiculous

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By *ensual 2Couple over a year ago

Blackpool

Dont be silly

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS over a year ago

doncaster

"She was playing devils advocate, she appended it in thought to a bill already put forward. Her idea was to provoke thought ...... and it did.

i.e. Stop saying.. keep the women safe by keeping them in ......

She was putting the boot on the other foot and saying ..... How do you like THESE onions .... MEN STAY IN!

She knows it would be ridiculous. She was trying for proper societal solutions ..... not knee jerk ineffective protect the victim actions.

Yet something that seems so unbelievably difficult to fucking grasp for many.

5G Viruses and Freddie Stars Hamster n all that.

Exactly, especially when everyone knows that it’s the 5G that makes everyone gay.

Bloody rags misreporting everything "
sorry but I was gay well before 5g ever existed !!!

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

"I start work at 6pm tonight. Who will do the engineering in the factory and who will pay my wages as well as that of all the male staff on that particular shift? That’s a few thousand pounds already on one shift in one factory....not to mention the safety aspect of having extremely few police officers patrolling the streets overnight....probably the most ridiculous and thoughtless proposal and not to mention discriminatory "

Your choosing not to understand the debate.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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By *odgerMan over a year ago

Coventry(ish)London

Silly question. Silly debate.

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By *ausageNmashCouple over a year ago

Andover

Didnt a woman murder a child randomly in Bolton a few months ago ? So going by that logic everyone should be curfewed by 6 P.M

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

"Silly question. Silly debate."

How ?

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By *kyblue1878Couple over a year ago

Southport

Could you imagine someone suggesting this and using any other gender, race, or other ism ? Why is it ok to say it about men? It must be true that ALL men are rapists and murderer's. It beggars belief how someone can come out with such a statement and not be reprimanded or suspended like someone would be if it involved a generalism based on race, religion or sexual orientation.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"Could you imagine someone suggesting this and using any other gender, race, or other ism ? Why is it ok to say it about men? It must be true that ALL men are rapists and murderer's. It beggars belief how someone can come out with such a statement and not be reprimanded or suspended like someone would be if it involved a generalism based on race, religion or sexual orientation."

People tell women not to go out after a certain time all the time.

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By *rincess peachWoman over a year ago

shits creek

BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN SAYING TO WOMEN FOREVER!

IT'S NOT BLOODY REAL, IT'S SIMPLY A GLIMPSE INTO WALKING IN A WOMANS SHOES AND LOOK AT THE SHIT STORM IT'S CREATING! IMAGINE THAT AS YOUR BIRTHRIGHT FOR HAVING A FANNY.

Aaaand breathe.

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By *odgerMan over a year ago

Coventry(ish)London

"Silly question. Silly debate.

How ?"

Male curfew after 6pm? That's just silly, won't happen so why debate it?

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

It was used to start a debate about womens safety. Why us that a problem?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Silly, would never happen. But if it ever did then a lot of men would all of a sudden identify as a woman.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just note this has only been suggested in parliament as satire... the woman bringing this suggestion forwards is just pointing out the double standards of the fact we constantly ask woman to change their behaviour or think about when they're leaving home etc but never address the issue that the reason they are asked to take extra precautions in because of men

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By *uke OzadeMan over a year ago

Ho Chi Minge City

Your choosing not to understand the debate. "

I get the point of what they’re saying but that angle assumes that had this happened during the day or the perpetrator was a woman for example, would they adjust their proposal accordingly to highlight the situation?

These things do happen and every one is tragic, more so when it’s an abuse of a position of trust. Much harsher sentencing might be more of a deterrent for some though.

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