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"I'm not down with carrying weapons!" Nor am I. The more people that carry weapons the more danger there is it's a simple as that. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? " It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. | |||
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"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? " Practice just like any form of self defense. I would like to keep my guns out of the equation tho we are 2 different cultures. I do not like when men " think" they can have thier way. We cannot change those thoughts sometimes because of how they were raised and certain cultural aspects of their life's. So what we supposed to hope everything ok ? | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man." the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? Practice just like any form of self defense. I would like to keep my guns out of the equation tho we are 2 different cultures. I do not like when men " think" they can have thier way. We cannot change those thoughts sometimes because of how they were raised and certain cultural aspects of their life's. So what we supposed to hope everything ok ?" No we are supposed to learn that you cannot encroach on somebody else's personal space, You cannot demand anything from any other person, You cannot attack any other person and so on that is not about upbringing bad is about having a little bit of self awareness and respect for yourself and others. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? Practice just like any form of self defense. I would like to keep my guns out of the equation tho we are 2 different cultures. I do not like when men " think" they can have thier way. We cannot change those thoughts sometimes because of how they were raised and certain cultural aspects of their life's. So what we supposed to hope everything ok ?" so why can’t we just practice self defence? why does it need to be self defence with a weapon? and we change those thoughts by changing how we raise people - it wont change overnight but we dont just resign ourselves to it will never change so just tool up | |||
"I'm not down with carrying weapons! Nor am I. The more people that carry weapons the more danger there is it's a simple as that. " I agree. I'm from the US, and since I left, my state has legalized concealed guns. Guns are only as effective as a means of defense as the person willing to use it. The best defense is to use your gut instinct in not allowing that person near you to begin with. (I've had knives pulled on me on a "date" and have also been in situations where guns were warranted as a defense--not needed, thank god). I am not anti guns, but am anti violence. The fewer there are, the less they are needed. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? Practice just like any form of self defense. I would like to keep my guns out of the equation tho we are 2 different cultures. I do not like when men " think" they can have thier way. We cannot change those thoughts sometimes because of how they were raised and certain cultural aspects of their life's. So what we supposed to hope everything ok ? so why can’t we just practice self defence? why does it need to be self defence with a weapon? and we change those thoughts by changing how we raise people - it wont change overnight but we dont just resign ourselves to it will never change so just tool up "  | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? Practice just like any form of self defense. I would like to keep my guns out of the equation tho we are 2 different cultures. I do not like when men " think" they can have thier way. We cannot change those thoughts sometimes because of how they were raised and certain cultural aspects of their life's. So what we supposed to hope everything ok ?" Your cultural differences also apply to mace, knives, or any other weapons. There should be no need for civilians to carry weapons in peace time (outside some rural or farming situations). We can do better as a society. (That is my view based on my culture) There's a lot of stuff between weapons and passively hoping nothing bad will happen. An awful lot of stuff. | |||
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"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round " I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men." What are you suggesting/implying? | |||
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"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. What are you suggesting/implying?" I'm not suggesting or implying, I'm stating the fact that sexual assaults in Israel are extremely rare against women who carry a sidearm. Take from that what you will. | |||
"I am 5' 2 115 lbs wouldn't a force multiplier be a better option for me. Look I get it no offense to men they can be pigs. So we have to "hope " or take better precautions. We shouldn't have to but it is cultural ethnicity issue. Some cultures view us as a object. Sorry but I refuse to be that object. " this is an absolute bs comment - SOME men of all cultures see us as an object - its has nothing to do with culture and that is the last i will bite at your repeated attempts to make this about race or religion with regards to the force multiplier - again if you are allowed to carry a force multiplier so are they - your 115lbs gets multiplied and so does their 150lbs - it makes everyone more dangerous but doesn’t in anyway remove that power balance - i don’t get how you can’t see that no matter how many times it is pointed out to you | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men." do you remember the oprah winfrey hair thread where you decided that white people were not allowed to assume offence on behalf of people of colour rather than listen to their opinions? can you see a parallel to a joining a thread of women who for the most part have said they do not wish to carry a weapon to keep themselves safe from men , and in comes the man telling them they just need to start carrying a gun? | |||
"I am 5' 2 115 lbs wouldn't a force multiplier be a better option for me. Look I get it no offense to men they can be pigs. So we have to "hope " or take better precautions. We shouldn't have to but it is cultural ethnicity issue. Some cultures view us as a object. Sorry but I refuse to be that object. this is an absolute bs comment - SOME men of all cultures see us as an object - its has nothing to do with culture and that is the last i will bite at your repeated attempts to make this about race or religion with regards to the force multiplier - again if you are allowed to carry a force multiplier so are they - your 115lbs gets multiplied and so does their 150lbs - it makes everyone more dangerous but doesn’t in anyway remove that power balance - i don’t get how you can’t see that no matter how many times it is pointed out to you " Point out what men are aggressive. You can not deny that fact. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. What are you suggesting/implying? I'm not suggesting or implying, I'm stating the fact that sexual assaults in Israel are extremely rare against women who carry a sidearm. Take from that what you will." How do these civilian men know the women they avoid assaulting are IDF? Is it because they're in uniform? Perhaps they don't assault because of the fact they're a uniformed officer? What's the stats on bog standard, weak and feeble members of the public? Do Israeli men save their assaults for women out of uniform? The point being, if a woman (civilian or IDF) is in street clothes, no-one presumably knows if she's carrying a concealed weapons, therefore the presence or lack thereof cannot be a factor in deciding whether to risk attacking someone. I've still had no feedback from our American amigos on how someone like myself, a manual wheelchair user, is supposed to feel safer in this gun toteing world? I need my hands to steer, to stop myself rolling backwards, to point myself in right direction. Guns, mace, whatever, it's pointless. | |||
"I don't feel unsafe around men. I have a brother, sons, dad, grandad, uncles all good men. None of them wod hurt a fly. I have lovely guy mates around me to. I think alienating a gender because there are some bad men out there that do bad things, particularly one in the media today over the fatality of the young woman. But yes, defend yourself at all costs if you have to regardless of if it's a man, woman or animal attacking you ... it's called the survival instinct. " so you feel safe around all of these men and yet are telling the rest of us we are victims for not carrying weapons - if you feel th need for the weapon how safe do you really feel to start with? | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. do you remember the oprah winfrey hair thread where you decided that white people were not allowed to assume offence on behalf of people of colour rather than listen to their opinions? can you see a parallel to a joining a thread of women who for the most part have said they do not wish to carry a weapon to keep themselves safe from men , and in comes the man telling them they just need to start carrying a gun? " I haven't at any stage said that women should carry a gun. I was merely offering my perspective of a comparative culture where women do carry guns. | |||
"I am 5' 2 115 lbs wouldn't a force multiplier be a better option for me. Look I get it no offense to men they can be pigs. So we have to "hope " or take better precautions. We shouldn't have to but it is cultural ethnicity issue. Some cultures view us as a object. Sorry but I refuse to be that object. this is an absolute bs comment - SOME men of all cultures see us as an object - its has nothing to do with culture and that is the last i will bite at your repeated attempts to make this about race or religion with regards to the force multiplier - again if you are allowed to carry a force multiplier so are they - your 115lbs gets multiplied and so does their 150lbs - it makes everyone more dangerous but doesn’t in anyway remove that power balance - i don’t get how you can’t see that no matter how many times it is pointed out to you Point out what men are aggressive. You can not deny that fact." point out that a multiplier if available multiples all - including the imbalance of power you perceive as the starting point | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. What are you suggesting/implying? I'm not suggesting or implying, I'm stating the fact that sexual assaults in Israel are extremely rare against women who carry a sidearm. Take from that what you will. How do these civilian men know the women they avoid assaulting are IDF? Is it because they're in uniform? Perhaps they don't assault because of the fact they're a uniformed officer? What's the stats on bog standard, weak and feeble members of the public? Do Israeli men save their assaults for women out of uniform? The point being, if a woman (civilian or IDF) is in street clothes, no-one presumably knows if she's carrying a concealed weapons, therefore the presence or lack thereof cannot be a factor in deciding whether to risk attacking someone. I've still had no feedback from our American amigos on how someone like myself, a manual wheelchair user, is supposed to feel safer in this gun toteing world? I need my hands to steer, to stop myself rolling backwards, to point myself in right direction. Guns, mace, whatever, it's pointless." I will answer the first part of your comment, the rest you are able to research for yourself. If a civilian man approaches a women in a threatening or suspicious way, she will draw her weapon and give fair warning, as prescribed by law. If he doesn't take the warning, she will shoot him. Her alternative is being r*ped and/or murdered. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. What are you suggesting/implying? I'm not suggesting or implying, I'm stating the fact that sexual assaults in Israel are extremely rare against women who carry a sidearm. Take from that what you will. How do these civilian men know the women they avoid assaulting are IDF? Is it because they're in uniform? Perhaps they don't assault because of the fact they're a uniformed officer? What's the stats on bog standard, weak and feeble members of the public? Do Israeli men save their assaults for women out of uniform? The point being, if a woman (civilian or IDF) is in street clothes, no-one presumably knows if she's carrying a concealed weapons, therefore the presence or lack thereof cannot be a factor in deciding whether to risk attacking someone. I've still had no feedback from our American amigos on how someone like myself, a manual wheelchair user, is supposed to feel safer in this gun toteing world? I need my hands to steer, to stop myself rolling backwards, to point myself in right direction. Guns, mace, whatever, it's pointless. I will answer the first part of your comment, the rest you are able to research for yourself. If a civilian man approaches a women in a threatening or suspicious way, she will draw her weapon and give fair warning, as prescribed by law. If he doesn't take the warning, she will shoot him. Her alternative is being r*ped and/or murdered." I'm able to research for myself how one might draw, cock and discharge a firearm whilst trying manoeuvre a manual wheelchair and possibly fending off an attacker who would always be above you, able to seize your chair. What a cop out. What you mean to say is a gun is absolutely no fucking use to me at all and more likely than not it would simply be taken off me and used against me. Maybe I should just stay home? | |||
" I will answer the first part of your comment, the rest you are able to research for yourself. If a civilian man approaches a women in a threatening or suspicious way, she will draw her weapon and give fair warning, as prescribed by law. If he doesn't take the warning, she will shoot him. Her alternative is being r*ped and/or murdered." unless he has a gun too and shoots her first , or accidentally shoots someone else , or the gun gets left where it shouldn’t and a kid gets it , or the gun isn’t used for self defence it is used for crime and violence there is no scenario you can put in front of me even where my own life is in danger that will result in convincing me legalising guns is worth if | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man." this nonsense comes down to knowledge one person has a lot more training with and the not othe had much it's going to be equal, neither would "Me VS Ronda Rousey" she would mess me up, even though I'm bigger and probably stronger | |||
"I don't feel unsafe around men. I have a brother, sons, dad, grandad, uncles all good men. None of them wod hurt a fly. I have lovely guy mates around me to. I think alienating a gender because there are some bad men out there that do bad things, particularly one in the media today over the fatality of the young woman. But yes, defend yourself at all costs if you have to regardless of if it's a man, woman or animal attacking you ... it's called the survival instinct. so you feel safe around all of these men and yet are telling the rest of us we are victims for not carrying weapons - if you feel th need for the weapon how safe do you really feel to start with? " I feel 100% safe but that is here in the states. I am just asking what are your options besides police hope and avoiding detection. Which should not be happening you should be able to move freely without the fear of threats. What is your answer to to that conundrum. | |||
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"I don't feel unsafe around men. I have a brother, sons, dad, grandad, uncles all good men. None of them wod hurt a fly. I have lovely guy mates around me to. I think alienating a gender because there are some bad men out there that do bad things, particularly one in the media today over the fatality of the young woman. But yes, defend yourself at all costs if you have to regardless of if it's a man, woman or animal attacking you ... it's called the survival instinct. so you feel safe around all of these men and yet are telling the rest of us we are victims for not carrying weapons - if you feel th need for the weapon how safe do you really feel to start with? I feel 100% safe but that is here in the states. I am just asking what are your options besides police hope and avoiding detection. Which should not be happening you should be able to move freely without the fear of threats. What is your answer to to that conundrum." Threat is part of life. We work on reducing the likelihood of young men becoming perpetrators, and protect each other. A civilian arms race just increases the threat exponentially. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. What are you suggesting/implying? I'm not suggesting or implying, I'm stating the fact that sexual assaults in Israel are extremely rare against women who carry a sidearm. Take from that what you will. How do these civilian men know the women they avoid assaulting are IDF? Is it because they're in uniform? Perhaps they don't assault because of the fact they're a uniformed officer? What's the stats on bog standard, weak and feeble members of the public? Do Israeli men save their assaults for women out of uniform? The point being, if a woman (civilian or IDF) is in street clothes, no-one presumably knows if she's carrying a concealed weapons, therefore the presence or lack thereof cannot be a factor in deciding whether to risk attacking someone. I've still had no feedback from our American amigos on how someone like myself, a manual wheelchair user, is supposed to feel safer in this gun toteing world? I need my hands to steer, to stop myself rolling backwards, to point myself in right direction. Guns, mace, whatever, it's pointless. I will answer the first part of your comment, the rest you are able to research for yourself. If a civilian man approaches a women in a threatening or suspicious way, she will draw her weapon and give fair warning, as prescribed by law. If he doesn't take the warning, she will shoot him. Her alternative is being r*ped and/or murdered. I'm able to research for myself how one might draw, cock and discharge a firearm whilst trying manoeuvre a manual wheelchair and possibly fending off an attacker who would always be above you, able to seize your chair. What a cop out. What you mean to say is a gun is absolutely no fucking use to me at all and more likely than not it would simply be taken off me and used against me. Maybe I should just stay home?" Ah, so you're just arguing from your unique position rather than considering women in general? I think that tells me all I need to know. | |||
"Israeli news tells me cases of r@pe and sexual assaults have increased 40% in a country where gun ownership laws were relaxed in 2018. I'm not convinced that having guns is making women in Israel any safer: Title: 90% of R@pe Cases in Israel Closed Without Indictment, Study Finds From: Haaretz online news Percentages have increased, incidents are still comparatively low and these figures don't include military personnel. If you knew much about Israel, you would know that military personnel are very many. It really doesn't matter to me that you're not convinced, many Israeli women were and are still alive because of their ability to effectively use a weapon. Why would you want to deny women their chance to life because of your sensibilities? " The Israelis can do what they like, quite frankly, but a 40% increase in assaults does not suggest owning guns is contributing to improved women's safety, does it? There's plenty of news online that shows many Israelis disagreed with the relaxation of gun ownership laws there. An IDF member is not the same as a regular civilian. | |||
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"Yes, the stats seem to bear out that America is a jolly safe place, thanks to guns: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081" I am not saying guns are your option. I stating what can you do realistically to counter a threat to your well being. I do not want women to be a object of any assault. But realistically we are not designed to fight off certain assaults. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. What are you suggesting/implying? I'm not suggesting or implying, I'm stating the fact that sexual assaults in Israel are extremely rare against women who carry a sidearm. Take from that what you will. How do these civilian men know the women they avoid assaulting are IDF? Is it because they're in uniform? Perhaps they don't assault because of the fact they're a uniformed officer? What's the stats on bog standard, weak and feeble members of the public? Do Israeli men save their assaults for women out of uniform? The point being, if a woman (civilian or IDF) is in street clothes, no-one presumably knows if she's carrying a concealed weapons, therefore the presence or lack thereof cannot be a factor in deciding whether to risk attacking someone. I've still had no feedback from our American amigos on how someone like myself, a manual wheelchair user, is supposed to feel safer in this gun toteing world? I need my hands to steer, to stop myself rolling backwards, to point myself in right direction. Guns, mace, whatever, it's pointless. I will answer the first part of your comment, the rest you are able to research for yourself. If a civilian man approaches a women in a threatening or suspicious way, she will draw her weapon and give fair warning, as prescribed by law. If he doesn't take the warning, she will shoot him. Her alternative is being r*ped and/or murdered. I'm able to research for myself how one might draw, cock and discharge a firearm whilst trying manoeuvre a manual wheelchair and possibly fending off an attacker who would always be above you, able to seize your chair. What a cop out. What you mean to say is a gun is absolutely no fucking use to me at all and more likely than not it would simply be taken off me and used against me. Maybe I should just stay home? Ah, so you're just arguing from your unique position rather than considering women in general? I think that tells me all I need to know." So you don't think women in wheelchairs are uniquely vulnerable and should not be considered? Why should she not consider her own safety when being asked about her own safety? | |||
"Yes, the stats seem to bear out that America is a jolly safe place, thanks to guns: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 I am not saying guns are your option. I stating what can you do realistically to counter a threat to your well being. I do not want women to be a object of any assault. But realistically we are not designed to fight off certain assaults." Avoid bad places Let people know where you are Avoid bushes/alleys etc Travel in groups Don't drink too much Always be aware of anyone around you and if they might be a threat Walk confidently - predators prey on the weak Etc | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. What are you suggesting/implying? I'm not suggesting or implying, I'm stating the fact that sexual assaults in Israel are extremely rare against women who carry a sidearm. Take from that what you will. How do these civilian men know the women they avoid assaulting are IDF? Is it because they're in uniform? Perhaps they don't assault because of the fact they're a uniformed officer? What's the stats on bog standard, weak and feeble members of the public? Do Israeli men save their assaults for women out of uniform? The point being, if a woman (civilian or IDF) is in street clothes, no-one presumably knows if she's carrying a concealed weapons, therefore the presence or lack thereof cannot be a factor in deciding whether to risk attacking someone. I've still had no feedback from our American amigos on how someone like myself, a manual wheelchair user, is supposed to feel safer in this gun toteing world? I need my hands to steer, to stop myself rolling backwards, to point myself in right direction. Guns, mace, whatever, it's pointless. I will answer the first part of your comment, the rest you are able to research for yourself. If a civilian man approaches a women in a threatening or suspicious way, she will draw her weapon and give fair warning, as prescribed by law. If he doesn't take the warning, she will shoot him. Her alternative is being r*ped and/or murdered. I'm able to research for myself how one might draw, cock and discharge a firearm whilst trying manoeuvre a manual wheelchair and possibly fending off an attacker who would always be above you, able to seize your chair. What a cop out. What you mean to say is a gun is absolutely no fucking use to me at all and more likely than not it would simply be taken off me and used against me. Maybe I should just stay home? Ah, so you're just arguing from your unique position rather than considering women in general? I think that tells me all I need to know." In this case, yes I am using my own example. I'm sick to the back teeth of people using perceived vulnerability to justify shitty behaviour. I am now perceived as particularly vulnerable due to my wheelchair use, yet all the bright ideas for how to mitigate my vulnerability involve solutions that are impossible! How do people (any gender) who are physically unable to operate weapons, supposed to "protect" themselves? Or how about - they shouldn't have to. Other people should learn not to be twats. The man implicated in the kidn@p and possible murder of the lady who triggered these discussions was an armed diplomatic protection police officer. Do you really think that the lady having a gun in her handbag would have made the slightest difference? He is alleged to have used his police credentials and powers to "disarm" her. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. What are you suggesting/implying? I'm not suggesting or implying, I'm stating the fact that sexual assaults in Israel are extremely rare against women who carry a sidearm. Take from that what you will. How do these civilian men know the women they avoid assaulting are IDF? Is it because they're in uniform? Perhaps they don't assault because of the fact they're a uniformed officer? What's the stats on bog standard, weak and feeble members of the public? Do Israeli men save their assaults for women out of uniform? The point being, if a woman (civilian or IDF) is in street clothes, no-one presumably knows if she's carrying a concealed weapons, therefore the presence or lack thereof cannot be a factor in deciding whether to risk attacking someone. I've still had no feedback from our American amigos on how someone like myself, a manual wheelchair user, is supposed to feel safer in this gun toteing world? I need my hands to steer, to stop myself rolling backwards, to point myself in right direction. Guns, mace, whatever, it's pointless. I will answer the first part of your comment, the rest you are able to research for yourself. If a civilian man approaches a women in a threatening or suspicious way, she will draw her weapon and give fair warning, as prescribed by law. If he doesn't take the warning, she will shoot him. Her alternative is being r*ped and/or murdered. I'm able to research for myself how one might draw, cock and discharge a firearm whilst trying manoeuvre a manual wheelchair and possibly fending off an attacker who would always be above you, able to seize your chair. What a cop out. What you mean to say is a gun is absolutely no fucking use to me at all and more likely than not it would simply be taken off me and used against me. Maybe I should just stay home? Ah, so you're just arguing from your unique position rather than considering women in general? I think that tells me all I need to know. So you don't think women in wheelchairs are uniquely vulnerable and should not be considered? Why should she not consider her own safety when being asked about her own safety?" Personally you have every right to try and protect your life at all costs and any means necessary. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. What are you suggesting/implying? I'm not suggesting or implying, I'm stating the fact that sexual assaults in Israel are extremely rare against women who carry a sidearm. Take from that what you will. How do these civilian men know the women they avoid assaulting are IDF? Is it because they're in uniform? Perhaps they don't assault because of the fact they're a uniformed officer? What's the stats on bog standard, weak and feeble members of the public? Do Israeli men save their assaults for women out of uniform? The point being, if a woman (civilian or IDF) is in street clothes, no-one presumably knows if she's carrying a concealed weapons, therefore the presence or lack thereof cannot be a factor in deciding whether to risk attacking someone. I've still had no feedback from our American amigos on how someone like myself, a manual wheelchair user, is supposed to feel safer in this gun toteing world? I need my hands to steer, to stop myself rolling backwards, to point myself in right direction. Guns, mace, whatever, it's pointless. I will answer the first part of your comment, the rest you are able to research for yourself. If a civilian man approaches a women in a threatening or suspicious way, she will draw her weapon and give fair warning, as prescribed by law. If he doesn't take the warning, she will shoot him. Her alternative is being r*ped and/or murdered. I'm able to research for myself how one might draw, cock and discharge a firearm whilst trying manoeuvre a manual wheelchair and possibly fending off an attacker who would always be above you, able to seize your chair. What a cop out. What you mean to say is a gun is absolutely no fucking use to me at all and more likely than not it would simply be taken off me and used against me. Maybe I should just stay home? Ah, so you're just arguing from your unique position rather than considering women in general? I think that tells me all I need to know. So you don't think women in wheelchairs are uniquely vulnerable and should not be considered? Why should she not consider her own safety when being asked about her own safety? Personally you have every right to try and protect your life at all costs and any means necessary." Ok. I'm not interested in deliberately carrying weapons to do so. That's my right. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. What are you suggesting/implying? I'm not suggesting or implying, I'm stating the fact that sexual assaults in Israel are extremely rare against women who carry a sidearm. Take from that what you will. How do these civilian men know the women they avoid assaulting are IDF? Is it because they're in uniform? Perhaps they don't assault because of the fact they're a uniformed officer? What's the stats on bog standard, weak and feeble members of the public? Do Israeli men save their assaults for women out of uniform? The point being, if a woman (civilian or IDF) is in street clothes, no-one presumably knows if she's carrying a concealed weapons, therefore the presence or lack thereof cannot be a factor in deciding whether to risk attacking someone. I've still had no feedback from our American amigos on how someone like myself, a manual wheelchair user, is supposed to feel safer in this gun toteing world? I need my hands to steer, to stop myself rolling backwards, to point myself in right direction. Guns, mace, whatever, it's pointless. I will answer the first part of your comment, the rest you are able to research for yourself. If a civilian man approaches a women in a threatening or suspicious way, she will draw her weapon and give fair warning, as prescribed by law. If he doesn't take the warning, she will shoot him. Her alternative is being r*ped and/or murdered. I'm able to research for myself how one might draw, cock and discharge a firearm whilst trying manoeuvre a manual wheelchair and possibly fending off an attacker who would always be above you, able to seize your chair. What a cop out. What you mean to say is a gun is absolutely no fucking use to me at all and more likely than not it would simply be taken off me and used against me. Maybe I should just stay home? Ah, so you're just arguing from your unique position rather than considering women in general? I think that tells me all I need to know. So you don't think women in wheelchairs are uniquely vulnerable and should not be considered? Why should she not consider her own safety when being asked about her own safety? Personally you have every right to try and protect your life at all costs and any means necessary." I am not being vain I cannot understand all of your personal beliefs. But don't you think that if you are getting assaulted by a man twice your size you would like a glimmer of hope. Thanks for the input from everyone. | |||
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"its interesting that the narrative from the gun carrier comes off way more as feeling like a potential victim than anyone else on the thread and yet we are to believe it will make us feel safer and more powerful " Yes. Agreed. | |||
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"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? It wouldn't give you an advantage, but it would give you an equal chance hence the US term - "equaliser" for handguns. A small woman against a large man is not equal. A small woman with a knife against a large man with a knife is not equal etc. I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but it is as easy for a woman to pull the trigger as it is for a man. the increased chance of violence against everyone massively outweighs the benefit of that equaliser from guns for me and as you say any other weapon its still potentially a large man against a small woman both with a weapon - so no equaliser just increased risk all round I spent 14 years of my life living in Israel, where women soldiers have been in frontline combat battalions for decades. Apart from weapons training, they also learn krav magra. But so do the men. Every man and woman has to do National Service and are legally entitled to carry a sidearm when not on duty. There are very very few incidences of male servicemen sexually assaulting female servicewomen, and virtually no assaults on servicewomen by civilian men. What are you suggesting/implying? I'm not suggesting or implying, I'm stating the fact that sexual assaults in Israel are extremely rare against women who carry a sidearm. Take from that what you will. How do these civilian men know the women they avoid assaulting are IDF? Is it because they're in uniform? Perhaps they don't assault because of the fact they're a uniformed officer? What's the stats on bog standard, weak and feeble members of the public? Do Israeli men save their assaults for women out of uniform? The point being, if a woman (civilian or IDF) is in street clothes, no-one presumably knows if she's carrying a concealed weapons, therefore the presence or lack thereof cannot be a factor in deciding whether to risk attacking someone. I've still had no feedback from our American amigos on how someone like myself, a manual wheelchair user, is supposed to feel safer in this gun toteing world? I need my hands to steer, to stop myself rolling backwards, to point myself in right direction. Guns, mace, whatever, it's pointless. I will answer the first part of your comment, the rest you are able to research for yourself. If a civilian man approaches a women in a threatening or suspicious way, she will draw her weapon and give fair warning, as prescribed by law. If he doesn't take the warning, she will shoot him. Her alternative is being r*ped and/or murdered. I'm able to research for myself how one might draw, cock and discharge a firearm whilst trying manoeuvre a manual wheelchair and possibly fending off an attacker who would always be above you, able to seize your chair. What a cop out. What you mean to say is a gun is absolutely no fucking use to me at all and more likely than not it would simply be taken off me and used against me. Maybe I should just stay home? Ah, so you're just arguing from your unique position rather than considering women in general? I think that tells me all I need to know. So you don't think women in wheelchairs are uniquely vulnerable and should not be considered? Why should she not consider her own safety when being asked about her own safety? Personally you have every right to try and protect your life at all costs and any means necessary. I am not being vain I cannot understand all of your personal beliefs. But don't you think that if you are getting assaulted by a man twice your size you would like a glimmer of hope. Thanks for the input from everyone." I don't see a gun as a glimmer of hope. Or anything positive. | |||
"its interesting that the narrative from the gun carrier comes off way more as feeling like a potential victim than anyone else on the thread and yet we are to believe it will make us feel safer and more powerful " Did I say you should carry no I did not. I stated there are other options. We live in different cultures. I would rather see a woman save herself with mace over there then being a statistic. | |||
"I think I'm just going to stick to plan A. Drive myself places, lights on the chair, use my blue badge privilege to park near the door and not hang around in dark ginnels. I'm considering installing a rocket launcher or some sort of machine gun on the back of the chair *patent pending* but until then, I rely on my fellow humans not to assault me. Please and thank you "
Ditto except no car, walk, etc.
The UK is pretty safe all told. For most people most of the time. Part of that is the low prevalence of weapons. | |||
"its interesting that the narrative from the gun carrier comes off way more as feeling like a potential victim than anyone else on the thread and yet we are to believe it will make us feel safer and more powerful Did I say you should carry no I did not. I stated there are other options. We live in different cultures. I would rather see a woman save herself with mace over there then being a statistic. " Mace is illegal | |||
"its interesting that the narrative from the gun carrier comes off way more as feeling like a potential victim than anyone else on the thread and yet we are to believe it will make us feel safer and more powerful Did I say you should carry no I did not. I stated there are other options. We live in different cultures. I would rather see a woman save herself with mace over there then being a statistic. " With the wind here in Mancunia, we'd likely as not just get a face full ourselves. Our British weather wasn't designed with aerosolised incapacitants in mind, sadly. | |||
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"So instead of addressing the twats that have got us into this situation, the thread seems to deal with making sure women can defend themselves. As the thread looks like, we wont do anything about men's behaviour. How about looking at what we can do to the twats, I say castration for an opener. " See the previous thread | |||
"So instead of addressing the twats that have got us into this situation, the thread seems to deal with making sure women can defend themselves. As the thread looks like, we wont do anything about men's behaviour. How about looking at what we can do to the twats, I say castration for an opener. " Or just shoot them. Oh wait.... | |||
"I think I'm just going to stick to plan A. Drive myself places, lights on the chair, use my blue badge privilege to park near the door and not hang around in dark ginnels. I'm considering installing a rocket launcher or some sort of machine gun on the back of the chair *patent pending* but until then, I rely on my fellow humans not to assault me. Please and thank you
Ditto except no car, walk, etc.
The UK is pretty safe all told. For most people most of the time. Part of that is the low prevalence of weapons."The only time I've felt unsafe in the chair was when the d*unk guy grabbed my chair and started pushing me into the road. You can't negotiate with d*unken men, would you believe? I had to rely on the input of *horror* another man. A Fab man, in fact. JoelDorian  | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? Practice just like any form of self defense. I would like to keep my guns out of the equation tho we are 2 different cultures. I do not like when men " think" they can have thier way. We cannot change those thoughts sometimes because of how they were raised and certain cultural aspects of their life's. So what we supposed to hope everything ok ? so why can’t we just practice self defence? why does it need to be self defence with a weapon? and we change those thoughts by changing how we raise people - it wont change overnight but we dont just resign ourselves to it will never change so just tool up " Doesn't self defence carry the same problems as weapons? A trained male will 99% of the time be able to overpower a trained female 
That being said. Having basic self defence should be a must for everyone. I'd recommend BJJ over your typical defence classes though. Both my daughters and ex did it(and muay thai) for years and will return once covid restrictions ease. Wont keep you 100% safe but it evens the playing field at least. | |||
"its interesting that the narrative from the gun carrier comes off way more as feeling like a potential victim than anyone else on the thread and yet we are to believe it will make us feel safer and more powerful Did I say you should carry no I did not. I stated there are other options. We live in different cultures. I would rather see a woman save herself with mace over there then being a statistic. " i didn’t say you told me to carry but you are definitely suggesting that the ability to carry a weapon would not only make me feel safer, without it i will be nothing more than a statistical victim of violence - and you as the only weapon carrier on the thread, are also the only person who believes you have no glimmer of hope against a would be attacker without a weapon we don’t have the weapon and we also don’t have the same level as fear - i find that telling | |||
"I think I'm just going to stick to plan A. Drive myself places, lights on the chair, use my blue badge privilege to park near the door and not hang around in dark ginnels. I'm considering installing a rocket launcher or some sort of machine gun on the back of the chair *patent pending* but until then, I rely on my fellow humans not to assault me. Please and thank you
Ditto except no car, walk, etc.
The UK is pretty safe all told. For most people most of the time. Part of that is the low prevalence of weapons.
The only time I've felt unsafe in the chair was when the d*unk guy grabbed my chair and started pushing me into the road. You can't negotiate with d*unken men, would you believe? I had to rely on the input of *horror* another man. A Fab man, in fact. JoelDorian "I'm not sure I've had a scary moment in the UK yet. I've lived here most of my adult life. (Which isn't to deny that it happens or anyone's experience. I've been lucky. But mostly we are safe) | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? Practice just like any form of self defense. I would like to keep my guns out of the equation tho we are 2 different cultures. I do not like when men " think" they can have thier way. We cannot change those thoughts sometimes because of how they were raised and certain cultural aspects of their life's. So what we supposed to hope everything ok ? so why can’t we just practice self defence? why does it need to be self defence with a weapon? and we change those thoughts by changing how we raise people - it wont change overnight but we dont just resign ourselves to it will never change so just tool up Doesn't self defence carry the same problems as weapons? A trained male will 99% of the time be able to overpower a trained female
That being said. Having basic self defence should be a must for everyone. I'd recommend BJJ over your typical defence classes though. Both my daughters and ex did it(and muay thai) for years and will return once covid restrictions ease. Wont keep you 100% safe but it evens the playing field at least."it would have the same problems - both trained, the larger stronger male has an advantage but its the same scenario with weapons - if both can carry there is no advantage to be gained by anyone carrying - its just a race to the bottom by making our society more violent | |||
"its interesting that the narrative from the gun carrier comes off way more as feeling like a potential victim than anyone else on the thread and yet we are to believe it will make us feel safer and more powerful Did I say you should carry no I did not. I stated there are other options. We live in different cultures. I would rather see a woman save herself with mace over there then being a statistic. i didn’t say you told me to carry but you are definitely suggesting that the ability to carry a weapon would not only make me feel safer, without it i will be nothing more than a statistical victim of violence - and you as the only weapon carrier on the thread, are also the only person who believes you have no glimmer of hope against a would be attacker without a weapon we don’t have the weapon and we also don’t have the same level as fear - i find that telling " Yes. I'm not afraid. I'm wary, but that's common sense. I'm 99%+ sure that a few small changes to my behaviour will mitigate or prevent harm coming to me. No weapon required. If I thought predators were likely to carry weapons, I'd be afraid. | |||
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"I think I'm just going to stick to plan A. Drive myself places, lights on the chair, use my blue badge privilege to park near the door and not hang around in dark ginnels. I'm considering installing a rocket launcher or some sort of machine gun on the back of the chair *patent pending* but until then, I rely on my fellow humans not to assault me. Please and thank you
Ditto except no car, walk, etc.
The UK is pretty safe all told. For most people most of the time. Part of that is the low prevalence of weapons.
The only time I've felt unsafe in the chair was when the d*unk guy grabbed my chair and started pushing me into the road. You can't negotiate with d*unken men, would you believe? I had to rely on the input of *horror* another man. A Fab man, in fact. JoelDorian
I'm not sure I've had a scary moment in the UK yet. I've lived here most of my adult life.
(Which isn't to deny that it happens or anyone's experience. I've been lucky. But mostly we are safe)"I'd never felt under threat as an AB woman and the incident of the d*unken man was that I didn't want to be tipped out into the path of a bus or into the River Mersey. I didn't feel like he was going to physically harm me in a different way and if he had tried and got close enough, I am confident I could have twatted him hard enough. He was many sheets to the wind. | |||
"There does seem to be conflicting posts between this and the other thread. On the other thread, people were scared to be out on public, day or night. On this thread people seem to suggest the opposite." I've always used my car to go places at night. I don't feel under threat generally but choose not to mooch on the streets at night. The discussion here has, for me, been largely hypothetical. | |||
"There does seem to be conflicting posts between this and the other thread. On the other thread, people were scared to be out on public, day or night. On this thread people seem to suggest the opposite." I'm wary, not afraid. And "do you take precautions" is a very different proposition to "wouldn't you need a killing machine to protect yourself". I avoid alleys. I have no need to own a weapon. That seems disproportionate. | |||
"There does seem to be conflicting posts between this and the other thread. On the other thread, people were scared to be out on public, day or night. On this thread people seem to suggest the opposite. I've always used my car to go places at night. I don't feel under threat generally but choose not to mooch on the streets at night. The discussion here has, for me, been largely hypothetical." I sometimes need to get from A to B at night and don't drive, but I choose my route carefully and don't hang about. | |||
"There does seem to be conflicting posts between this and the other thread. On the other thread, people were scared to be out on public, day or night. On this thread people seem to suggest the opposite." i think its the nuance of what is being asked about i am not daft enough to wander about in the dark on my own, i know that is not safe and i am not arguing that it is , i know from life and the other thread that in many places including by the sounds of it a day time train carriage some men can and will behave inappropriately and make women feel uncomfortable , but i am not afraid , i am not living my life in fear that if i can’t carry a weapon it is all but guaranteed that i will be a victim | |||
"There does seem to be conflicting posts between this and the other thread. On the other thread, people were scared to be out on public, day or night. On this thread people seem to suggest the opposite. I'm wary, not afraid. And "do you take precautions" is a very different proposition to "wouldn't you need a killing machine to protect yourself". I avoid alleys. I have no need to own a weapon. That seems disproportionate." I wasn’t suggesting you should own a weapon. I nearly made the observation that on that thread the uk was a minefield of violent sexual pests, and on this thread women feel safe. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? Practice just like any form of self defense. I would like to keep my guns out of the equation tho we are 2 different cultures. I do not like when men " think" they can have thier way. We cannot change those thoughts sometimes because of how they were raised and certain cultural aspects of their life's. So what we supposed to hope everything ok ? so why can’t we just practice self defence? why does it need to be self defence with a weapon? and we change those thoughts by changing how we raise people - it wont change overnight but we dont just resign ourselves to it will never change so just tool up Doesn't self defence carry the same problems as weapons? A trained male will 99% of the time be able to overpower a trained female
That being said. Having basic self defence should be a must for everyone. I'd recommend BJJ over your typical defence classes though. Both my daughters and ex did it(and muay thai) for years and will return once covid restrictions ease. Wont keep you 100% safe but it evens the playing field at least.
it would have the same problems - both trained, the larger stronger male has an advantage but its the same scenario with weapons - if both can carry there is no advantage to be gained by anyone carrying - its just a race to the bottom by making our society more violent "Oh I agree, it doesn't do anything to correct the root cause either. | |||
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"There does seem to be conflicting posts between this and the other thread. On the other thread, people were scared to be out on public, day or night. On this thread people seem to suggest the opposite. I'm wary, not afraid. And "do you take precautions" is a very different proposition to "wouldn't you need a killing machine to protect yourself". I avoid alleys. I have no need to own a weapon. That seems disproportionate. I wasn’t suggesting you should own a weapon. I nearly made the observation that on that thread the uk was a minefield of violent sexual pests, and on this thread women feel safe." Research today shows the overwhelming majority of women have received unwanted sexual advances, cat calls or other threatening behaviour when out and about. I think that sums it up pretty well. | |||
"There does seem to be conflicting posts between this and the other thread. On the other thread, people were scared to be out on public, day or night. On this thread people seem to suggest the opposite. I'm wary, not afraid. And "do you take precautions" is a very different proposition to "wouldn't you need a killing machine to protect yourself". I avoid alleys. I have no need to own a weapon. That seems disproportionate. I wasn’t suggesting you should own a weapon. I nearly made the observation that on that thread the uk was a minefield of violent sexual pests, and on this thread women feel safe." lots of people on the other thread described scenarios where men have behaved inappropriately, many more described precautions they take, how many of them actually said they were afraid for me i take precautions, i am aware of and have been in situations where men have behaved badly, however i also generally feel safe - they are not mutually exclusive | |||
"There does seem to be conflicting posts between this and the other thread. On the other thread, people were scared to be out on public, day or night. On this thread people seem to suggest the opposite. I'm wary, not afraid. And "do you take precautions" is a very different proposition to "wouldn't you need a killing machine to protect yourself". I avoid alleys. I have no need to own a weapon. That seems disproportionate. I wasn’t suggesting you should own a weapon. I nearly made the observation that on that thread the uk was a minefield of violent sexual pests, and on this thread women feel safe." It's a question of nuance, as noted. I take precautions, so I note that when being asked about that. If asked if a weapon would solve it - fuck no  | |||
"There does seem to be conflicting posts between this and the other thread. On the other thread, people were scared to be out on public, day or night. On this thread people seem to suggest the opposite. I'm wary, not afraid. And "do you take precautions" is a very different proposition to "wouldn't you need a killing machine to protect yourself". I avoid alleys. I have no need to own a weapon. That seems disproportionate. I wasn’t suggesting you should own a weapon. I nearly made the observation that on that thread the uk was a minefield of violent sexual pests, and on this thread women feel safe. Research today shows the overwhelming majority of women have received unwanted sexual advances, cat calls or other threatening behaviour when out and about. I think that sums it up pretty well." | |||
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"There does seem to be conflicting posts between this and the other thread. On the other thread, people were scared to be out on public, day or night. On this thread people seem to suggest the opposite. I'm wary, not afraid. And "do you take precautions" is a very different proposition to "wouldn't you need a killing machine to protect yourself". I avoid alleys. I have no need to own a weapon. That seems disproportionate. I wasn’t suggesting you should own a weapon. I nearly made the observation that on that thread the uk was a minefield of violent sexual pests, and on this thread women feel safe. Research today shows the overwhelming majority of women have received unwanted sexual advances, cat calls or other threatening behaviour when out and about. I think that sums it up pretty well." Yes, some of the situations described were horrible. | |||
"There does seem to be conflicting posts between this and the other thread. On the other thread, people were scared to be out on public, day or night. On this thread people seem to suggest the opposite. I'm wary, not afraid. And "do you take precautions" is a very different proposition to "wouldn't you need a killing machine to protect yourself". I avoid alleys. I have no need to own a weapon. That seems disproportionate. I wasn’t suggesting you should own a weapon. I nearly made the observation that on that thread the uk was a minefield of violent sexual pests, and on this thread women feel safe. Research today shows the overwhelming majority of women have received unwanted sexual advances, cat calls or other threatening behaviour when out and about. I think that sums it up pretty well. Yes, some of the situations described were horrible. " Agreed. | |||
"I just want women to get home to their families by any means possible if they get assaulted. Sorry if you you disagree of my methods. It's time we have a way to protect those precious ambitions. It is just the way I am." Id rather take my chances with how it is now, then have to worry about a mass influx of guns into the country. We did the sensible thing of banning them after 1 major school shooting. Exchanging the potential lives of assault victims for those of gun violence isn't the answer in my eyes. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? " But you can carry something that could be successfully proven, a "weapon" designed for something else that you might legitimately be carrying. Something such as keys, an aerosol bodyspray, rolled up newspaper are three examples, along with a personal alarm to alert others whilst hopefully panic the attacker into running away. First port of call is to try and minimalise the risk, but sometimes is much easier said than done. | |||
"I just want women to get home to their families by any means possible if they get assaulted. Sorry if you you disagree of my methods. It's time we have a way to protect those precious ambitions. It is just the way I am.Id rather take my chances with how it is now, then have to worry about a mass influx of guns into the country. We did the sensible thing of banning them after 1 major school shooting. Exchanging the potential lives of assault victims for those of gun violence isn't the answer in my eyes." That is your choice . Be safe. | |||
"I just want women to get home to their families by any means possible if they get assaulted. Sorry if you you disagree of my methods. It's time we have a way to protect those precious ambitions. It is just the way I am." I’d rather get knife crime under control than introduce another weapon into our society. Even with education, which is in schools now and needs to be continued at home, there will always be elements of society that will perpetuate these crimes as it is in their mindset. | |||
"I just want women to get home to their families by any means possible if they get assaulted. Sorry if you you disagree of my methods. It's time we have a way to protect those precious ambitions. It is just the way I am." And I think guns are abhorrent, should be avoided at all costs. That's just how I am. | |||
"self defensive is not illegal, carrying an item designed with intent to harm is if you can carry so can “the baddy” , so how does arming you both suddenly give you an advantage? But you can carry something that could be successfully proven, a "weapon" designed for something else that you might legitimately be carrying. Something such as keys, an aerosol bodyspray, rolled up newspaper are three examples, along with a personal alarm to alert others whilst hopefully panic the attacker into running away. First port of call is to try and minimalise the risk, but sometimes is much easier said than done. " Actually, I can confirm a rolled up copy of New Scientist magazine is an effective weapon. I once playfully smacked Mr KC on the arm with one in jest. It wasn't my finest hour  | |||
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"I just want women to get home to their families by any means possible if they get assaulted. Sorry if you you disagree of my methods. It's time we have a way to protect those precious ambitions. It is just the way I am. I’d rather get knife crime under control than introduce another weapon into our society. Even with education, which is in schools now and needs to be continued at home, there will always be elements of society that will perpetuate these crimes as it is in their mindset. " Agree. My son was mugged at knifepoint in August last year (then assaulted by the same person on a bus in November - no weapon that time). Much of the time, knives are turned on their owners.... | |||
"I just want women to get home to their families by any means possible if they get assaulted. Sorry if you you disagree of my methods. It's time we have a way to protect those precious ambitions. It is just the way I am. I’d rather get knife crime under control than introduce another weapon into our society. Even with education, which is in schools now and needs to be continued at home, there will always be elements of society that will perpetuate these crimes as it is in their mindset. " Legalising guns would solve knife crime overnight! Sadly it would just be replaced with gun crime. | |||
"I just want women to get home to their families by any means possible if they get assaulted. Sorry if you you disagree of my methods. It's time we have a way to protect those precious ambitions. It is just the way I am. I’d rather get knife crime under control than introduce another weapon into our society. Even with education, which is in schools now and needs to be continued at home, there will always be elements of society that will perpetuate these crimes as it is in their mindset. Legalising guns would solve knife crime overnight! Sadly it would just be replaced with gun crime." and a lot more deaths than we have now. It isn’t a solution, it’s a step in the wrong direction. | |||
"I just want women to get home to their families by any means possible if they get assaulted. Sorry if you you disagree of my methods. It's time we have a way to protect those precious ambitions. It is just the way I am. I’d rather get knife crime under control than introduce another weapon into our society. Even with education, which is in schools now and needs to be continued at home, there will always be elements of society that will perpetuate these crimes as it is in their mindset. Legalising guns would solve knife crime overnight! Sadly it would just be replaced with gun crime." Not saying you should it's not in the UK society to accept guns. Just saying you should have other options besides trusting having to worry about men's intent. | |||
"I just want women to get home to their families by any means possible if they get assaulted. Sorry if you you disagree of my methods. It's time we have a way to protect those precious ambitions. It is just the way I am. I’d rather get knife crime under control than introduce another weapon into our society. Even with education, which is in schools now and needs to be continued at home, there will always be elements of society that will perpetuate these crimes as it is in their mindset. Legalising guns would solve knife crime overnight! Sadly it would just be replaced with gun crime. Not saying you should it's not in the UK society to accept guns. Just saying you should have other options besides trusting having to worry about men's intent." Thanks everyone it's been a fun debate. Your life is more important then anyone else that has the intent to harm you or your family. It's weird of how culture separate our understandings. In the end run love you all be safe as best as you can.  | |||
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" All very well carrying a weapon If you can muster the will to use it Are you really going to pull a gun out and shoot someone because your frightened? It's not an easy thing to do .. and let's hope you don't injure a passer by " This is the thing with weapons. Whether weapons are ultimately part of the solution, or part of the problem, the fact is that anyone carrying any form of weapon for defence both needs to know how to use it, and to have the will to use it. And to then be able to face whatever consequences of using it. | |||
" All very well carrying a weapon If you can muster the will to use it Are you really going to pull a gun out and shoot someone because your frightened? It's not an easy thing to do .. and let's hope you don't injure a passer by This is the thing with weapons. Whether weapons are ultimately part of the solution, or part of the problem, the fact is that anyone carrying any form of weapon for defence both needs to know how to use it, and to have the will to use it. And to then be able to face whatever consequences of using it." Yeah, shoot first, and ask questions later is not really a thing is it? | |||
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"It is not my job to police men - it is men's job not to harrass or attack me. I am against guns and against violence. For those in the previous connected thread asking where does the fear for safety comes from - it comes from exposure to various and constant invasions of personal space, harrassment, intimidation and violence. It is the accumulated effect that gets to us - and these are not one-off, "one bad apple" incidents. It comes from the myriad of ways how men allow themselves to cross a line, all the time. I am sick and tired of #notallmen - #toomanymen is the bloody point. When random men feel that it is perfectly OK to make loud comments in public about your body, to be intimidating, to be aggressive, when your male work colleagues feel absolutely fine to make inappropriate sexual innuendo and worse, when you might not be safe at home - domestic violence is all around us and not only for those who are in a romantic relationship - for example, my former housemate has subjected me to prolongued abuse and harrassment to the point that I was afraid to return home and had to go to the police. And no, you won't douse the fire with benzine - quite the opposite, this is my metaphor for guns. I also do not keep silent and speak out every time but it's exhausting and sometimes frightening. I have no doubt that having a powerful public symbol of power making comments about how it is OK to assault women and dismissing this as "locker room talk" caused a profoundly harmful effect. Porn full of violent tropes, widespread glorification of violence against women in TV series and films, 50 shades of shit glorifying domestic violence - all of that takes part. No weapon will change all this but our actions and campaigning might. Even small, in our circle of influence. Every stand we take (when we can), every time a man pulls another man up on his words or behaviour, every small action of support - that all adds up. " "I have no doubt that having a powerful public symbol of power making comments about how it is OK to assault women and dismissing this as "locker room talk" caused a profoundly harmful effect." - Do you mean Trump? | |||
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"I just want women to get home to their families by any means possible if they get assaulted. Sorry if you you disagree of my methods. It's time we have a way to protect those precious ambitions. It is just the way I am." The worst assault I’ve experienced was by a colleague at a work Christmas party. How would any kind of weapon have helped me then? | |||
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"Very engaging topic how different our world Outlook can be." What's the demographic of the town you live in? How many people, mainly white people/ a mix, closely populated with many houses together or more rural? | |||
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"Very engaging topic how different our world Outlook can be. What's the demographic of the town you live in? How many people, mainly white people/ a mix, closely populated with many houses together or more rural?" Rual but I travel to alot of big cities for work. | |||
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"This has become a national, high profile discussion only because it happened in London. Even before a serving police officer was arrested. There are plenty of victims of violence, male and female, around the UK which don't receive anywhere near the same coverage." other than we should have been talking about this and making positive change sooner, what is your point? might be more effective to contribute to the discussion in hand | |||
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"Very engaging topic how different our world Outlook can be. What's the demographic of the town you live in? How many people, mainly white people/ a mix, closely populated with many houses together or more rural? Rual but I travel to alot of big cities for work. " Thank you. Just wondering as some parts of America are *very* rural and quite different to even rural towns in England. | |||
"This has become a national, high profile discussion only because it happened in London. Even before a serving police officer was arrested. There are plenty of victims of violence, male and female, around the UK which don't receive anywhere near the same coverage. other than we should have been talking about this and making positive change sooner, what is your point? might be more effective to contribute to the discussion in hand " My point, or the question which should be asked, is why it takes something like this case in London, to be taken up a level. What about the cases elsewhere? | |||
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"This has become a national, high profile discussion only because it happened in London. Even before a serving police officer was arrested. There are plenty of victims of violence, male and female, around the UK which don't receive anywhere near the same coverage. other than we should have been talking about this and making positive change sooner, what is your point? might be more effective to contribute to the discussion in hand My point, or the question which should be asked, is why it takes something like this case in London, to be taken up a level. What about the cases elsewhere? " i completely understood that was your point - it seems you have an issue with london taking a higher precedence in peoples minds , what we are discussing here is the issue of women’s safety which is important in all areas - instead of misdirecting the discussion of an issue which you seem to agree yourself is well overdue to be spoken about , why not join in | |||
