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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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George Floyd gets killed and it is a Police officer who does it.
Not newsworthy as just another man...but as a police officer.
Woman goes missing recently feared dead.
Present suspects are a serving male police officer AND a female who is believed to have some sort of complicity in it.
Now the story has morphed into the safety of women on our streets.
What happened to the suspect Officer tale?
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By *tue555Man
over a year ago
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"George Floyd gets killed and it is a Police officer who does it.
Not newsworthy as just another man...but as a police officer.
Woman goes missing recently feared dead.
Present suspects are a serving male police officer AND a female who is believed to have some sort of complicity in it.
Now the story has morphed into the safety of women on our streets.
What happened to the suspect Officer tale?
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They can't discuss the officer cos it could prejudice the investigation. US is having shit load of trouble trying to find jurors cos the the press coverage and black lives matter protest to give the police officer a fair trial |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"George Floyd gets killed and it is a Police officer who does it.
Not newsworthy as just another man...but as a police officer.
Woman goes missing recently feared dead.
Present suspects are a serving male police officer AND a female who is believed to have some sort of complicity in it.
Now the story has morphed into the safety of women on our streets.
What happened to the suspect Officer tale?
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...Now the story has morphed into the safety of women on our streets from men (plural)
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"George Floyd gets killed and it is a Police officer who does it.
Not newsworthy as just another man...but as a police officer.
Woman goes missing recently feared dead.
Present suspects are a serving male police officer AND a female who is believed to have some sort of complicity in it.
Now the story has morphed into the safety of women on our streets.
What happened to the suspect Officer tale?
They can't discuss the officer cos it could prejudice the investigation. US is having shit load of trouble trying to find jurors cos the the press coverage and black lives matter protest to give the police officer a fair trial "
I respect what you say and well said.
So I suppose others will fill that vacuum with their agendas. |
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Unfortunately it's a fairly standard narrative that women can be someway responsible for the bad things that happen to them. You can't read comments on such a story without things like "it wouldn't have happened if she'd taken the bus/a taxi/worn a longer dress/not been so attractive/not d*unk alcohol" etc. These examples, by the way, are not specific just to this case, but cases of violent crime against women in general. |
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I appreciate your point, and I'm not trying to dilute the message but the two cases are very different in nature.
In the case of George Floyd, it was an incident where a black man was subjected to excessive force by police officers going about their duty. The narrative is the force used on George Floyd was greater because he was black. It was and is a case where police are seen to be pressing black people.
The case in the UK is equally tragic, as a person has also lost their life. While a SUSPECT is a serving police officer, there has been no suggestion that their role as a police officer led to her death, or that he was even on duty at the time. So it becomes a case of man kills woman, rather than police officer kills citizen.
Hopefully, the media will behave responsibly, and any suspects can receive a fair trial and the victim and he family can receive justice, of little comfort it may be though. |
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"Unfortunately it's a fairly standard narrative that women can be someway responsible for the bad things that happen to them. You can't read comments on such a story without things like "it wouldn't have happened if she'd taken the bus/a taxi/worn a longer dress/not been so attractive/not d*unk alcohol" etc. These examples, by the way, are not specific just to this case, but cases of violent crime against women in general."
Totally agree and I have seen comments like like I've told my wife don't make yourself a target! What does that even mean? |
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"I appreciate your point, and I'm not trying to dilute the message but the two cases are very different in nature.
In the case of George Floyd, it was an incident where a black man was subjected to excessive force by police officers going about their duty. The narrative is the force used on George Floyd was greater because he was black. It was and is a case where police are seen to be pressing black people.
The case in the UK is equally tragic, as a person has also lost their life. While a SUSPECT is a serving police officer, there has been no suggestion that their role as a police officer led to her death, or that he was even on duty at the time. So it becomes a case of man kills woman, rather than police officer kills citizen.
Hopefully, the media will behave responsibly, and any suspects can receive a fair trial and the victim and he family can receive justice, of little comfort it may be though."
What if it is found that he used something associated with his role as a serving police officer in this case.
All conjecture so far...but... |
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"What if it is found that he used something associated with his role as a serving police officer in this case.
All conjecture so far...but..."
My question precisely. Its one thing saying protect yourself from strangers or not to be out late or wear a hazmat suit to avoid assault but what when its someone thats supposed to be in a position of protection?! As someone else said the chaps a only suspect so let the investigation run its course |
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"I appreciate your point, and I'm not trying to dilute the message but the two cases are very different in nature.
In the case of George Floyd, it was an incident where a black man was subjected to excessive force by police officers going about their duty. The narrative is the force used on George Floyd was greater because he was black. It was and is a case where police are seen to be pressing black people.
The case in the UK is equally tragic, as a person has also lost their life. While a SUSPECT is a serving police officer, there has been no suggestion that their role as a police officer led to her death, or that he was even on duty at the time. So it becomes a case of man kills woman, rather than police officer kills citizen.
Hopefully, the media will behave responsibly, and any suspects can receive a fair trial and the victim and he family can receive justice, of little comfort it may be though. What if it is found that he used something associated with his role as a serving police officer in this case.
All conjecture so far...but..."
...if the case is found to involve such behaviour? Should it only be considered from within that framework? |
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"What if it is found that he used something associated with his role as a serving police officer in this case.
All conjecture so far...but..."
Equipment? ID? Who knows... Police officers have a life outside the force, just as we all have outside of work.
The case would be very interesting if it transpired the suspect was going about their duty, but looks highly unlikely. But best not to comment or speculate.
The cases are very different in nature but similar in outcome in as much as a person has lost their life. |
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By *tue555Man
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"What if it is found that he used something associated with his role as a serving police officer in this case.
All conjecture so far...but...
Equipment? ID? Who knows... Police officers have a life outside the force, just as we all have outside of work.
The case would be very interesting if it transpired the suspect was going about their duty, but looks highly unlikely. But best not to comment or speculate.
The cases are very different in nature but similar in outcome in as much as a person has lost their life."
The officer concerned had been taken to to hospital due to injuries sustained while in police custody according to news feed. Don't help justice which ever way the hammer falls |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unfortunately it's a fairly standard narrative that women can be someway responsible for the bad things that happen to them. You can't read comments on such a story without things like "it wouldn't have happened if she'd taken the bus/a taxi/worn a longer dress/not been so attractive/not d*unk alcohol" etc. These examples, by the way, are not specific just to this case, but cases of violent crime against women in general.
Totally agree and I have seen comments like like I've told my wife don't make yourself a target! What does that even mean?"
Maybe it just means be aware of surroundings and don't take avoidable risks |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What if it is found that he used something associated with his role as a serving police officer in this case.
All conjecture so far...but...
Equipment? ID? Who knows... Police officers have a life outside the force, just as we all have outside of work.
The case would be very interesting if it transpired the suspect was going about their duty, but looks highly unlikely. But best not to comment or speculate.
The cases are very different in nature but similar in outcome in as much as a person has lost their life.
The officer concerned had been taken to to hospital due to injuries sustained while in police custody according to news feed. Don't help justice which ever way the hammer falls"
Could have been self inflicted?
Interesting turn to the story though?
Without taking lightly a potential (nothing confirmed yet) missing person found dead. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unfortunately it's a fairly standard narrative that women can be someway responsible for the bad things that happen to them. You can't read comments on such a story without things like "it wouldn't have happened if she'd taken the bus/a taxi/worn a longer dress/not been so attractive/not d*unk alcohol" etc. These examples, by the way, are not specific just to this case, but cases of violent crime against women in general.
Totally agree and I have seen comments like like I've told my wife don't make yourself a target! What does that even mean?"
Well not trying to be a prick here, but we can take personal responsibility for actions that put us in harm's way. Not that anyone deserves anything to be done to them going about there daily business or whatever.
But growing up in an around Bedford there was a fair bit of Gang related violence. I was told by a gang member I was at college with at the time that I would be a target, because of my size. Showing the others how hard they are by taking on someone bigger than them. So knowing that information I wouldn't go anywhere near the areas that i know Gangs operated. I also wouldnt go into certain parts of Bedford at night because of my skin colour also making me a target. Until one night I did when d*unk to get something and I was mugged. That was my fault for going somewhere i knew was possibly dangerous while alone and intoxicated.
What happened should never of happened to that girl or anyone else. But we are responsible for our own safety, even in a relatively safe country like this |
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"Unfortunately it's a fairly standard narrative that women can be someway responsible for the bad things that happen to them. You can't read comments on such a story without things like "it wouldn't have happened if she'd taken the bus/a taxi/worn a longer dress/not been so attractive/not d*unk alcohol" etc. These examples, by the way, are not specific just to this case, but cases of violent crime against women in general.
Totally agree and I have seen comments like like I've told my wife don't make yourself a target! What does that even mean?
Well not trying to be a prick here, but we can take personal responsibility for actions that put us in harm's way. Not that anyone deserves anything to be done to them going about there daily business or whatever.
But growing up in an around Bedford there was a fair bit of Gang related violence. I was told by a gang member I was at college with at the time that I would be a target, because of my size. Showing the others how hard they are by taking on someone bigger than them. So knowing that information I wouldn't go anywhere near the areas that i know Gangs operated. I also wouldnt go into certain parts of Bedford at night because of my skin colour also making me a target. Until one night I did when d*unk to get something and I was mugged. That was my fault for going somewhere i knew was possibly dangerous while alone and intoxicated.
What happened should never of happened to that girl or anyone else. But we are responsible for our own safety, even in a relatively safe country like this "
Yes, even as a man I have had to exercise wisdom in certain situations.
A group of rowdy and slightly intoxicated lads getting on my carriage late at night.
In the old days I would have said f*ck em if they f*ck with me.
Now I just discreetly find another carriage at the next stop.
The message about tactical avoidance (even over potentials) should not be lost in the call for freedoms as the world is not a paradise yet.
A message that needs to be taught to all sexes occasionally. |
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I don't think I understand this thread..... Are you saying that the murder of George flloyd and the arrest of the police men who both did it and did nothing to stop it was not on the news?
It sparked riots, the policeman's name and history of complaints and disciplinary hearings etc were all over the news, for weeks. So much so that it is affecting the selection of the jury for his trial.
How can you say it was not in the news because it was a man? It was all over the news because he was a black man. |
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