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Getting rid of Sunday shopping Hours
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Last year when visiting Scotland I was surprised to learn that Sunday shopping Hours as they are in England are not a thing, shop's basically open as per Saturday?
Should the English government in a bid to help the economy do the same get rid of the outdated and frankly ridiculous Sunday shopping Hours?
Most other religions work around shop's and the service industry being open on their day's of worship why should Christianity be different?
The amount of people who attended church on a Sunday must be a fraction of those who would like to be able to shop and work on a Sunday.
Plus most shop's are basically open anyway these days with preparing click and collect orders and delivery.
I think it would boost high street sales if possible and give those who work Monday to Friday more time to do the stuff they usually have to cram into a Saturday and a few hours on Sunday.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I get what your saying and I agree a little mainly to give extra hours to shop while this is still spreading.
But I would not want it to be the norm if we get out of this...what next the postman spoiling your sunday with the gas and electric Bill's..  |
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Can I just add over the past year we have been hearing and seeing people on reduced to zero income due to the pandemic many lost jobs altogether and this is a genuine idea for people to recoup some of the lost income and get others back into work.
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over a year ago
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i agree (but possibly biased because its already not a thing in scotland)
in terms of supermarkets the smaller convenience ones are open late anyway so why not the larger ones - why restrict people from doing the big shop after 5pm? and in the morning the staff are still working for the browsing hour it just means the stuff can’t go through the checkout
for high street shops how can you ever expect them to compete with online when you restrict their trading opportunities
for the workers- you don’t have to work just because the shop opens longer - do you work every available open hour now? of course not so why would that change - you work shift and can spcify availability- just because linger hours in a sunday don’t suit you doesn’t mean there wont be other that it does - particularly students
and the whole religion / family time thing - church services aren’t just held once a week anymore and who says family time should be sunday evening? different families have different routines and requirements and maybe shift work suits the parents snd the spend their family time together at a different time of the week |
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"I definitely think it’s time to get rid of out dated Sunday trading rules. "
 . they were put in place back when the man worked 9-5 mon-fri , mum stayed home to watch the kids and did a weekly shop and the family went to church together on sunday then had a big roast dinner
who’s life really looks like that anymore? |
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over a year ago
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Didn't they try it during the Olympics a few years back? If I remember right the shops were glad to get back to normal sunday hours as no one was shopping. |
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over a year ago
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"Didn't they try it during the Olympics a few years back? If I remember right the shops were glad to get back to normal sunday hours as no one was shopping."
changing the law wouldn’t force shops to open if nobody is shopping , just gives them the opportunity if they want to |
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"Didn't they try it during the Olympics a few years back? If I remember right the shops were glad to get back to normal sunday hours as no one was shopping."
But unfortunately that was almost ten years ago now 
And things have changed since then.
Maybe just a temporary measure until the new year like I said it's to get people back earning and spending.
Yes a vast majority spend online but I genuinely think that people will and do actually want to get back to the tactical and social experience of high street shopping? |
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"Didn't they try it during the Olympics a few years back? If I remember right the shops were glad to get back to normal sunday hours as no one was shopping.
changing the law wouldn’t force shops to open if nobody is shopping , just gives them the opportunity if they want to "
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The reason for different opening hours in Scotland is when the government passed the law it never included Scotland as they though its strong prespeterian values would be keep the shops closed.
But the shops seen a chance to get more money and it took off |
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"The reason for different opening hours in Scotland is when the government passed the law it never included Scotland as they though its strong prespeterian values would be keep the shops closed.
But the shops seen a chance to get more money and it took off "
doesn’t that back up the point that values have changed and its an outdated law that hasn’t allowed trading hours to change with them? |
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to be honest in glasgow at least , high street shops still tend to open less hours on a sunday than they do other days - maybe 10-5/6 rather than like a 9-6/7 , and usually late night shopping is only a thursday
shopping mall types might be different (they certainly seem to have later night more generically across the week) but i tend to shop in the city centre so not really sure
i just think hours should be driven by demand rather than restrictive law that doesn’t really have a justification in modern day living |
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"i agree (but possibly biased because its already not a thing in scotland)
in terms of supermarkets the smaller convenience ones are open late anyway so why not the larger ones - why restrict people from doing the big shop after 5pm? and in the morning the staff are still working for the browsing hour it just means the stuff can’t go through the checkout
for high street shops how can you ever expect them to compete with online when you restrict their trading opportunities
for the workers- you don’t have to work just because the shop opens longer - do you work every available open hour now? of course not so why would that change - you work shift and can spcify availability- just because linger hours in a sunday don’t suit you doesn’t mean there wont be other that it does - particularly students
and the whole religion / family time thing - church services aren’t just held once a week anymore and who says family time should be sunday evening? different families have different routines and requirements and maybe shift work suits the parents snd the spend their family time together at a different time of the week "
Just coming in at this point in the thread, so I'm not right up to date? Sunday hours were set the same as Xmas day and Easter Sunday closing as a concession to the Lords Day Observance Society lobby to allow Supermarkets to open legally on Sundays rather than the fining system that wasn't working as they were just ignoring anyway? That's how I remember the debate going anyway? The internet wasn't a thing then anyway! As for temporary easing to help the dying high st I wouldn't object as at the rate it's going we won't have a high st in the country anyway? |
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By *edGrayCouple
over a year ago
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I would like a return to retail, manufacturing etc being closed on a Sunday. Not for religious reasons, but for the general well being of the community. I feel most people would benefit from having a day off from the 24/7 hectic live style we have become accustomed to.  |
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"I would like a return to retail, manufacturing etc being closed on a Sunday. Not for religious reasons, but for the general well being of the community. I feel most people would benefit from having a day off from the 24/7 hectic live style we have become accustomed to. "
And remember half day closing on a Wednesday used to be a thing.
I recently had to stop at a chemist to get something, only to discover a large queue outside of people moaning and in typical British style tutting loudly.
Because?
The chemist closes for An hour every lunchtime.  |
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"I would like a return to retail, manufacturing etc being closed on a Sunday. Not for religious reasons, but for the general well being of the community. I feel most people would benefit from having a day off from the 24/7 hectic live style we have become accustomed to. "
I totally agree.
I could have understood it happening earlier when we were in the thick of it temporally to allow the sunday hours to be spread for safety. But as you say it's not a good step for people who will have to work it on a permanent basis |
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"I would like a return to retail, manufacturing etc being closed on a Sunday. Not for religious reasons, but for the general well being of the community. I feel most people would benefit from having a day off from the 24/7 hectic live style we have become accustomed to. "
but nobody works 7 days a week at the moment unless through their own choice (we have a legal limit in working hours per week unless you opt out)
having a day where things close isn’t giving people a day off - its just forcing us all to take it on the same schedule |
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Retail workers are expected to be fully flexible in the hours they can work. The only exception is religion, child care and carers. For many the only true family time they may get is on a Sunday evening. If the shops open 24/7 and you don't fall in those categories or you don't have an old contract where your shift pattern is in writing then those people will be expected to work.
I don't agree with longer Sunday opening, 24 hours a day 6 days a week plus sunday hours is way enough for people to squeeze in their weekly shop. If someone is about to starve to death after 5pm on a Sunday there's plenty of other options in corner shops and small shops who by law are allowed to open longer on a Sunday.
I'm glad I got out of retail. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We still have half day closing on a Wednesday for many of our shops here. I to be fair dont think hours need increasing. Xx"
I was just going to say that.
Where my aunt lives in Yorkshire lots of the shops have half day closing on a Wednesday. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We still have half day closing on a Wednesday for many of our shops here. I to be fair dont think hours need increasing. Xx
I was just going to say that.
Where my aunt lives in Yorkshire lots of the shops have half day closing on a Wednesday. "
And the chemist I use closes for a hour 15 minutes for lunch. When you know this it's no hardship as you plan around it.
I think some are making a rod for others backs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The shops should be all closed on a Sunday. If people can't get what they need Mon-Sat then they aren't planning very well.
Retail staff deserve at least one day off to be with their families. |
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Take the religious aspect completely out of any equation, make the state completely secular and remove the anti discrimination protection that religion has. It’s only a belief not a fact.
If Sunday trading is to be the same as the other six days then it should also be across the board for all work, which for a lot of jobs is already the case.
However no one should have to work more than a set amount of hours a week. Extra hours should be an increased rate / overtime and voluntary. Pressure to work longer hours should be made illegal.
Set the fixed working week as 35 hours. |
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This is an interesting one with no easy answers.
A day of rest is a good idea in principal but with population levels as high as they are, it can mean that a lot of facilities get oversubscribed at weekends.
It can make sense to spread work and leisure over any part of the seven day week. Indeed for retired people like me it makes sense if your lifestyle doesn't involve all the other people you socialise with together having a day off in common.
I belong to a national canoeing club and although some sub groups of retired folk go for ad hoc paddles on any day of the week, all major meets take place at weekends or Bank Holidays (don't mention them for putting a strain on facilities). The same applies to a lot of other sports, pastimes and interests.
My family home is Jersey, an island which has become grossly over populated in relation to available land space.
During the week, with much of the work force at their desks, going out and about and to the beach, life can be fairly pleasant for liberated people but the minute Saturday dawns and until Sunday night the place becomes an ordeal with everywhere outdoors clogged up with runners, walkers, cyclists, huge convoys of motor cyclists all going to the same beauty spot cafe, boy racers going to 'look at me' venues, roads closed for motor sport, headlands closed off for certain other sports.
To complicate things further, on Sundays virtually all the shops are shut because the still fairly religious establishment declare "We like it that way" meaning "You're going to have to like it that way too".
I mention the Jersey example as a microcosm of overcrowding, over development and growth in leisure pastimes. The UK is merely the same thing waiting to happen but on a much bigger scale.
To anyone thinking of quoting my long screed in a reply, please feel free to edit out the bits you aren't replying to! |
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"Take the religious aspect completely out of any equation, make the state completely secular and remove the anti discrimination protection that religion has. It’s only a belief not a fact.
If Sunday trading is to be the same as the other six days then it should also be across the board for all work, which for a lot of jobs is already the case.
However no one should have to work more than a set amount of hours a week. Extra hours should be an increased rate / overtime and voluntary. Pressure to work longer hours should be made illegal.
Set the fixed working week as 35 hours."
I think in a jobs now weekend working is seen as a just another day..you dont get paid extra for it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Shops are open now all day 6 days a week
On sundays most of the day
Plenty of time."
I think Tesco give up on the 24 hour shops a good while ago. Could be wrong...but there is only so much that is economical for them. Let's try to hold on to a little bit of free daytime methinks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is consumerism good for society?"
does restricting hours on a sunday for only a selection of the economy and only in person while online can continue have any real impact on consumerism? |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"I definitely think it’s time to get rid of out dated Sunday trading rules. "
How will that work for existing retail staff though? Is it fair to expect them to now be expected to have extra hours in the week they are expected to work? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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for me really its about choice - let shops choose if they want to be open or not , businesses can decide based on demand if its worth it or not, people can choose if they wish to work somewhere with that shift pattern or not, people can choose when they want their down time or day of rest to be, people can choose if they want to do the big shop on a sunday morning, people can choose if they want to completely avoid shops on sunday
removing the law doesn’t restrict anyones choices - only provides more of them |
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"I definitely think it’s time to get rid of out dated Sunday trading rules.
How will that work for existing retail staff though? Is it fair to expect them to now be expected to have extra hours in the week they are expected to work?"
that is not how employment contracts work - your total number of hours would not change |
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over a year ago
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"I wonder how many of the people in favour of others giving up more of a sunday work in retail...just a thought.."
i worked in retail in scotland where this is not a thing for about 10 years |
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"I wonder how many of the people in favour of others giving up more of a sunday work in retail...just a thought..
i worked in retail in scotland where this is not a thing for about 10 years "
So you had to do it,so inflict it on us english....hmmm |
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"I wonder how many of the people in favour of others giving up more of a sunday work in retail...just a thought..
i worked in retail in scotland where this is not a thing for about 10 years
So you had to do it,so inflict it on us english....hmmm"
that’s not how i see it at all when i worked in retail i was of an age where the majority of my hours had to be at the weekend because i was in education mid week - being open longer on a sunday actually gave me the opportunity to pick up more hours and make more money |
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"I wonder how many of the people in favour of others giving up more of a sunday work in retail...just a thought..
i worked in retail in scotland where this is not a thing for about 10 years
So you had to do it,so inflict it on us english....hmmm
that’s not how i see it at all when i worked in retail i was of an age where the majority of my hours had to be at the weekend because i was in education mid week - being open longer on a sunday actually gave me the opportunity to pick up more hours and make more money "
similar applied to my mum when i was a child - she picked up 10-2 midweek while i was at school then a full day on a sunday when i was at my dads
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think we can at least have one day when we don't have to run around town. I quite enjoy having a lazy Sunday in the pyjamas rubbish television and eating junk food. |
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"I wonder how many of the people in favour of others giving up more of a sunday work in retail...just a thought..
i worked in retail in scotland where this is not a thing for about 10 years
So you had to do it,so inflict it on us english....hmmm
that’s not how i see it at all when i worked in retail i was of an age where the majority of my hours had to be at the weekend because i was in education mid week - being open longer on a sunday actually gave me the opportunity to pick up more hours and make more money "
Ah.. if only we could ensure it's the students who work it. But that wont be the case...and as said on here there is only the same spend to go around.
It's a bad idea in my view. |
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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago
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"Is consumerism good for society?
does restricting hours on a sunday for only a selection of the economy and only in person while online can continue have any real impact on consumerism? "
Lots of small changes over time add up to big impact's that no one foresaw at the time.
I would be in favour of only small traders be allowed to trade on sundays and big company's online or in person not to be allowed. |
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"I wonder how many of the people in favour of others giving up more of a sunday work in retail...just a thought..
i worked in retail in scotland where this is not a thing for about 10 years
So you had to do it,so inflict it on us english....hmmm
that’s not how i see it at all when i worked in retail i was of an age where the majority of my hours had to be at the weekend because i was in education mid week - being open longer on a sunday actually gave me the opportunity to pick up more hours and make more money
Ah.. if only we could ensure it's the students who work it. But that wont be the case...and as said on here there is only the same spend to go around.
It's a bad idea in my view."
and the single parents? the problem is your bias is telling you working on a sunday is a bad thing when for many others its just another day of the week, which they already work and if they are going out to do a 6 hour shift anyway why not let them have an 8 hour shift and increase what they take home for a day out of the house
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At OP u obviously don't work in retail.!! Shops have been open since 2004.!! ... 10am til 430pm ...n have every right to do so!! There is nothing wrong with shops been open on a sunday!
Most people are working Monday to Saturday and don't get time to use the online world or know how to use it..... only chance they get is go shopping on a sunday! N wots wrong with that? Nothing!! Not everyone is the same as u.....oooooo everyone must go to church same as us! Blah blah blah and have sunday lunch! Everyone is different and do different things! People have to work on sunday like it or not.
N people will continue to go shopping on a sunday... like it or not.
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"At OP u obviously don't work in retail.!! Shops have been open since 2004.!! ... 10am til 430pm ...n have every right to do so!! There is nothing wrong with shops been open on a sunday!
Most people are working Monday to Saturday and don't get time to use the online world or know how to use it..... only chance they get is go shopping on a sunday! N wots wrong with that? Nothing!! Not everyone is the same as u.....oooooo everyone must go to church same as us! Blah blah blah and have sunday lunch! Everyone is different and do different things! People have to work on sunday like it or not.
N people will continue to go shopping on a sunday... like it or not.
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youve read the OP and taken away the entire opposite meaning - they were asking should we scrap the limitation on sunday trading hours and let businesses trade freely on a sunday |
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"I wonder how many of the people in favour of others giving up more of a sunday work in retail...just a thought..
i worked in retail in scotland where this is not a thing for about 10 years
So you had to do it,so inflict it on us english....hmmm
that’s not how i see it at all when i worked in retail i was of an age where the majority of my hours had to be at the weekend because i was in education mid week - being open longer on a sunday actually gave me the opportunity to pick up more hours and make more money
Ah.. if only we could ensure it's the students who work it. But that wont be the case...and as said on here there is only the same spend to go around.
It's a bad idea in my view.
and the single parents? the problem is your bias is telling you working on a sunday is a bad thing when for many others its just another day of the week, which they already work and if they are going out to do a 6 hour shift anyway why not let them have an 8 hour shift and increase what they take home for a day out of the house
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I still think it's a bad idea. I'll leave there. |
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"At OP u obviously don't work in retail.!! Shops have been open since 2004.!! ... 10am til 430pm ...n have every right to do so!! There is nothing wrong with shops been open on a sunday!
Most people are working Monday to Saturday and don't get time to use the online world or know how to use it..... only chance they get is go shopping on a sunday! N wots wrong with that? Nothing!! Not everyone is the same as u.....oooooo everyone must go to church same as us! Blah blah blah and have sunday lunch! Everyone is different and do different things! People have to work on sunday like it or not.
N people will continue to go shopping on a sunday... like it or not.
youve read the OP and taken away the entire opposite meaning - they were asking should we scrap the limitation on sunday trading hours and let businesses trade freely on a sunday "
Here here! That's right. |
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"At OP u obviously don't work in retail.!! Shops have been open since 2004.!! ... 10am til 430pm ...n have every right to do so!! There is nothing wrong with shops been open on a sunday!
Most people are working Monday to Saturday and don't get time to use the online world or know how to use it..... only chance they get is go shopping on a sunday! N wots wrong with that? Nothing!! Not everyone is the same as u.....oooooo everyone must go to church same as us! Blah blah blah and have sunday lunch! Everyone is different and do different things! People have to work on sunday like it or not.
N people will continue to go shopping on a sunday... like it or not.
youve read the OP and taken away the entire opposite meaning - they were asking should we scrap the limitation on sunday trading hours and let businesses trade freely on a sunday "
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"I definitely think it’s time to get rid of out dated Sunday trading rules.
. they were put in place back when the man worked 9-5 mon-fri , mum stayed home to watch the kids and did a weekly shop and the family went to church together on sunday then had a big roast dinner
who’s life really looks like that anymore? "
Exactly. It's completely outdated! Can't believe Sunday trading hours are still a thing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I definitely think it’s time to get rid of out dated Sunday trading rules.
. they were put in place back when the man worked 9-5 mon-fri , mum stayed home to watch the kids and did a weekly shop and the family went to church together on sunday then had a big roast dinner
who’s life really looks like that anymore?
Exactly. It's completely outdated! Can't believe Sunday trading hours are still a thing."
exactly this!
Most people don't do a big sunday roast anymore n if they do... they have it around 7pm 8pm. |
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The main point of this thread is too look at options to help restart the economy once lockdown end's.
Too create an Idea for people to be able to make up for lost income and help others find employment.
Since this virus section has been going there's been many " discussions" or arguments if you want regards health Vs economy.
I personally have been an advocate of the lockdown and health and safety for us all.
Likewise I can see the financial impact it's had on many and in turn the mental health impact also.
So I have put thought into something that hopefully people can benefit from from both the standpoint of reopening the shop's and boosting the retail sector.
For many who work in retail weekend work is part and parcel and for most of they are full time will get time off in the week to make up for weekend shifts or do overtime.
For families struggling with the financial burden of childcare during the week this offers the benefits of partners being able to look after children at the weekend limiting the number of days required for childcare during the week.
Plus school holidays.
Yes we all like a lazy Sunday but this is about adapting to new things and also hopefully creating an environment where people will be more inclined to pop in to town at a weekend rather than sit at home and do everything on line, most of the successful retailers offer both.
Someone is always going to find fault with this it's not for everyone.
But like I said rather than the constant bickering and moaning I have tried to think of a practical realistic Idea for everyone to hopefully benefit from.
No malice or selfishness involved |
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By *ustylouWoman
over a year ago
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I work in (non food) retail and although we are only open 10 till 4 on a sunday my working day is actually 8 till 6. Extending the opening hours to say 9 till 6 would mean my working day would now be anything between 7am and 8pm. Yes ok I would still only have to work 8 hours but that doesnt make my day any easier. It's great for students that can only work weekends but you still require "adults" to run the store. I'm thankful that at the moment I know I will be home just after 6 on a Sunday. It's the only night I can rely on doing so.
Amazes me people who work a nice 9 5 mon-fri job want shops open longer. In that case why shouldn't I expect my dentist, mechanic, plumber or lawyer to be open at 11pm on a tuesday night. That's when I may want them.
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Most people don't do a big sunday roast anymore n if they do... they have it around 7pm 8pm."
Whilst appreciating that some families live for their Sunday roast, I've always regarded it as the ultimate waste of of a good day off.
In some ways it was the same with having my weekly English essay hanging over my otherwise enjoyable Sunday when I was at school knowing it had to be presented on Monday morning on pain of detention. |
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"I work in (non food) retail and although we are only open 10 till 4 on a sunday my working day is actually 8 till 6. Extending the opening hours to say 9 till 6 would mean my working day would now be anything between 7am and 8pm. Yes ok I would still only have to work 8 hours but that doesnt make my day any easier. It's great for students that can only work weekends but you still require "adults" to run the store. I'm thankful that at the moment I know I will be home just after 6 on a Sunday. It's the only night I can rely on doing so.
Amazes me people who work a nice 9 5 mon-fri job want shops open longer. In that case why shouldn't I expect my dentist, mechanic, plumber or lawyer to be open at 11pm on a tuesday night. That's when I may want them.
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Who works 9-5?
I work 8-4.30
But as my job is mobile I leave at 6.45am and rarely home before 5.45.
I'm also on a 24hour call out rota every 3weeks for a week 24/7
So I have no be available.
My wife is a nurse and work's regularly 8-8
Including weekends.
Sucks for us all.
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"I work in (non food) retail and although we are only open 10 till 4 on a sunday my working day is actually 8 till 6. Extending the opening hours to say 9 till 6 would mean my working day would now be anything between 7am and 8pm. Yes ok I would still only have to work 8 hours but that doesnt make my day any easier. It's great for students that can only work weekends but you still require "adults" to run the store. I'm thankful that at the moment I know I will be home just after 6 on a Sunday. It's the only night I can rely on doing so.
Amazes me people who work a nice 9 5 mon-fri job want shops open longer. In that case why shouldn't I expect my dentist, mechanic, plumber or lawyer to be open at 11pm on a tuesday night. That's when I may want them.
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Oh and you can get emergency dental care 27/7
Same with a breakdown mechanic, lot's of garage's do overnight servicing and I'm sure lawyers don't switch laptop's off at 5 and run out of the door.
It's not just retail sector who have to do unsociable and awkward working patterns.
If you can think of a better idea regards the economy please feel free to chip in. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"I definitely think it’s time to get rid of out dated Sunday trading rules.
How will that work for existing retail staff though? Is it fair to expect them to now be expected to have extra hours in the week they are expected to work?
that is not how employment contracts work - your total number of hours would not change "
No, but number of potential hours in the day and days of the week your shifts fall on could.
For example a retail worker doing a 40 hour week could now be asked to cover some of those hours on a Sunday evening which they would not have to do previously.
Is it fair on them to now have to potentially change any long term arrangements they have in place on Sunday evenings? Is it fair that now they would be expected to work hours that were not in their original contract of employment? |
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Is it fair on them to now have to potentially change any long term arrangements they have in place on Sunday evenings? Is it fair that now they would be expected to work hours that were not in their original contract of employment?"
My Dad used to say "Nothing's fair in this world" whenever we kids used to say "it's not fair..."
I've grown to realise that he was right.
Something we may all have to live with, even though we can all do our bit towards a fairer society, in the face of all odds. |
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"I definitely think it’s time to get rid of out dated Sunday trading rules.
How will that work for existing retail staff though? Is it fair to expect them to now be expected to have extra hours in the week they are expected to work?
that is not how employment contracts work - your total number of hours would not change
No, but number of potential hours in the day and days of the week your shifts fall on could.
For example a retail worker doing a 40 hour week could now be asked to cover some of those hours on a Sunday evening which they would not have to do previously.
Is it fair on them to now have to potentially change any long term arrangements they have in place on Sunday evenings? Is it fair that now they would be expected to work hours that were not in their original contract of employment?"
companies cant just change the terms of contracts, so there would either be a sweetner to get people to accept or it would only apply to new staff - depending what the terms originally were of course , even people that work a 9-5 usually have a contract that says between 8-8 as per needs of the business |
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Quite correct but they don't actually state what days they are and what hours either and with my employer they enforced weekend working the year before last. So now I am forced to work 5 Sundays out of 6 which is a slight problem as my local Public Transport doesn't start until 15 minutes after I'm due at work so it costs me £20 for a cab to work. Still as long as there is freedom of choice to buy Piri Piri Chicken strips 24/7 that's the main thing
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Personally think it's sad pushing for even longer opening hours for multiple retailers. I prefer to support independent shops and longer hours for the big players just makes it even harder for them. |
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"I definitely think it’s time to get rid of out dated Sunday trading rules.
. they were put in place back when the man worked 9-5 mon-fri , mum stayed home to watch the kids and did a weekly shop and the family went to church together on sunday then had a big roast dinner
who’s life really looks like that anymore?
Exactly. It's completely outdated! Can't believe Sunday trading hours are still a thing."
A good wheeze I've come across in the Caribbean over fairly recent years is becoming a member of a religious sect which has Saturday off, in the full knowledge that you will, by default, get Sunday off as well because everyone else does.
Mind you, the imperative to work hard is less over there because nobody dies of cold and few die of hunger (mainly from alcohol, gang culture or bad driving). Electricity can be fiddled with croc clips, the water undertakings have trouble getting people to pay and many people get by with minimal luxuries such as their own car.
I seem to recall that the term 'rat race' is used in our society. maybe the system in place exists because of most people's willingness to compete in said contest? |
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By *e CapCouple
over a year ago
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I think it is a very good idea, pay time and a half after the first 10 hours each day , pay time and a half Saturday, double on Sunday ....like normal countries do, and I am pretty sure not many people will complain.
Aaa, nearly forgot, can I have my post delivered Sunday evening at 11...that’s when I go to pee before bed... just my 2c |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"I definitely think it’s time to get rid of out dated Sunday trading rules.
How will that work for existing retail staff though? Is it fair to expect them to now be expected to have extra hours in the week they are expected to work?
that is not how employment contracts work - your total number of hours would not change
No, but number of potential hours in the day and days of the week your shifts fall on could.
For example a retail worker doing a 40 hour week could now be asked to cover some of those hours on a Sunday evening which they would not have to do previously.
Is it fair on them to now have to potentially change any long term arrangements they have in place on Sunday evenings? Is it fair that now they would be expected to work hours that were not in their original contract of employment?
companies cant just change the terms of contracts, so there would either be a sweetner to get people to accept or it would only apply to new staff - depending what the terms originally were of course , even people that work a 9-5 usually have a contract that says between 8-8 as per needs of the business "
What about those on Zero Hour contracts?
And it will be interesting to see whether companies can, theres a chance this will be tested in regards to the Covid vaccine. This could set a precedent. |
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I'd prefer greater restrictions than fewer, on a Sunday. I've not worked in retail but am very concerned about the state of many employment contracts, including retail. I'd prefer retail staff to be better rewarded for the conditions worked today and definitely not force more people to work even more on Sundays at all.
With larger volumes of people likely continuing to work from home in future, I'd hope that more people can shop locally outside of Sundays. We don't have the right infrastructure for many people to get to work at unsociable times in the UK, having very limited public transport, which is vital for people on low wages, for example. |
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We can't understand why shops open during the day on weekdays. Most people have to work to earn the money to go shopping, and a significant number of those of us who work do so 9 to 5 weekdays. Shouldn't shops be open at times when people can visit them?
Having said that, the only shopping we have done for nearly a year now is food shopping. Only been into town once in the last year, to pay a cheque into the bank. Now the bank app scans them, we probably won't need to go into town at all. |
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"For me I'd be happy if all retail closed on a Sunday"
And I would with more on line purchases wouldn’t it be better like a lot some parts of Europe still saterday lunchtime everything shuts down until Monday morning . |
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By *andAukCouple
over a year ago
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I'm all for closing Sundays.
Since the pandemic we've been closed on a Sunday.
This is the first time in our working lives that we now have a family day together.
Due to us both working in retail we have different days off through the week partly to save money on child minders. Partly due to the needs of the business.
I work for quite a large plc, but the teams are small, consisting on average of 3.5 to 4 members of staff.
If we were to open longer would we get extra hours or more staff?
The answer is no!
Anyone who works in retail knows that this is usually the case and you end up shuffling rotas to accommodate the extra hours.
So the impression that it would create extra jobs is just fictional.
I feel that Sunday trading has a lot to answer for in society.
Sundays used to be a family day spent together and visiting grandparents and the likes.
Now kids are kicked out on the streets roaming around with no interests usually.
If you can't buy something on a Sunday, you'd buy it on another day like we used to do.
Sadly we live in a time where we expect to have things there and then. I see it every day when customers need to order things and make a fuss of needing it today.
It also tends to be the people who work Monday to Friday 9-5 jobs who are the worst.
Sure they'd see things differently if they were told that they now have to work weekends and have days off through the week.
Never spending time with the family bar the 4 weeks holiday that your legally entitled to (that's so long as you can both get the same time off, needs of the business and all.) Oh and you're now also working Boxing day and News Year's day as well as all Bank Holidays as it's mandatory.
Just a view from the other side.
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Shops weren't open on a sunday, telly only has 3 channels and went off at night, we had outside toilets, no central heating. The good old days
Traditional sundays are a thing of the past. |
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"Shops weren't open on a sunday, telly only has 3 channels and went off at night, we had outside toilets, no central heating. The good old days
Traditional sundays are a thing of the past."
Feck I must be getting old as I remember just two tv channels  |
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"I think it is a very good idea, pay time and a half after the first 10 hours each day , pay time and a half Saturday, double on Sunday ....like normal countries do, and I am pretty sure not many people will complain.
Aaa, nearly forgot, can I have my post delivered Sunday evening at 11...that’s when I go to pee before bed... just my 2c"
Funnily enough, when Sunday supermarket opening first came in staff were offered triple time, then it went down to time and a half and now its just another day... |
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"Last year when visiting Scotland I was surprised to learn that Sunday shopping Hours as they are in England are not a thing, shop's basically open as per Saturday?
Should the English government in a bid to help the economy do the same get rid of the outdated and frankly ridiculous Sunday shopping Hours?
Most other religions work around shop's and the service industry being open on their day's of worship why should Christianity be different?
The amount of people who attended church on a Sunday must be a fraction of those who would like to be able to shop and work on a Sunday.
Plus most shop's are basically open anyway these days with preparing click and collect orders and delivery.
I think it would boost high street sales if possible and give those who work Monday to Friday more time to do the stuff they usually have to cram into a Saturday and a few hours on Sunday.
Thoughts?"
Should go back to old school and shut them totally on sundays. Let the staff have a free day with family instead of 2 days off in week whe a majority of their friends/family are probsbly at work |
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