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I am a pharmacy technician in the states. This is horrible I have received monthly bonuses and a 3 dollar a hour raise. This is unacceptable for UK health care workers. |
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ive always had total respect for the nhs, but these past 12 months has increased that a million times if that's possible
I know a couple of nurses and have seen them coming off shifts, knackard, completely fucked , and going back the next day to do another 12 hour shift and do it all again
and what do these people do, stand and clap, and give then fuck all,
I really detest politicians, all the bullshit they spout while milking the expenses system and taking above inflation pay rises, while nurses have to pay to park their cars while they work
the nurses and nhs staff are amazing, for fucks sake give them what they deserve
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I haven’t a clue what I’m going to spend my 1% pay rise on  Tbh I’d rather not have it as it’s an insult 
I hope you know how much you are appreciated and loved by us all
thank you so much"
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over a year ago
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Perhaps the budget should’ve included a 2.5% rise in income taxes across the board to be paid directly to nhs staff.
Moneys got to come from somewhere.
I’m sure all the people crawling out of the woodwork declaring the 1% offer disgusting would be more than willing to pay for it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Perhaps the budget should’ve included a 2.5% rise in income taxes across the board to be paid directly to nhs staff.
Moneys got to come from somewhere.
I’m sure all the people crawling out of the woodwork declaring the 1% offer disgusting would be more than willing to pay for it."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Don’t agree with MPs salary increases at all and agree it is hypocritical. Also agree 100% NHS staff do (on the whole) a great job in difficult stressful circumstances.
But ...
CPI is currently 0.9%
Millions of other workers do a great job in difficult stressful circumstances and have lost their job or taken significant paycuts and / or severe reductions in their T&Cs (I’ve had to agree to a new contract at 15% less pay or lose my job)
So while I wish all workers could get a significant pay rise (I see they want 12.5%), and don’t wish to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator, an above inflation offer is significantly better than what I, and millions of others, have had to endure. I feel lucky I still have a job, even at -15% salary, family members have lost their jobs. Although it’s not certain my employer will survive so my job is at risk.
So I guess it’s all relative.
1% sounds crap.
But it’s above inflation and in a relatively secure job. Many millions would jump at that.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Perhaps the budget should’ve included a 2.5% rise in income taxes across the board to be paid directly to nhs staff.
Moneys got to come from somewhere.
I’m sure all the people crawling out of the woodwork declaring the 1% offer disgusting would be more than willing to pay for it."
Well said. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Totally agree OP...
But the country is in horrendous debt. 2.6 million are unemployed, hundreds of thousands are homeless, children are starving (just ask Marcus Rashford) and the majority of the country has been furloughed for a year. Yes of course nurses, doctors and paramedics deserve a massive pay rise and all sorts of honours but where does the money come from.
How much more debt can the country bare? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You seem to think that national finance is like domestic finance. The "there isn't magic money tree" argument. The further you look, the more you'll see that money is found all the time.
Literally trillions of it.
Tom, for once we're on the same side. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Totally agree OP...
But the country is in horrendous debt. 2.6 million are unemployed, hundreds of thousands are homeless, children are starving (just ask Marcus Rashford) and the majority of the country has been furloughed for a year. Yes of course nurses, doctors and paramedics deserve a massive pay rise and all sorts of honours but where does the money come from.
How much more debt can the country bare? "
Have a look at the national debt of USA. It's bearing up quite well. |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
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And it's not true "
According to the nursing times website it is true. |
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"You seem to think that national finance is like domestic finance. The "there isn't magic money tree" argument. The further you look, the more you'll see that money is found all the time.
Literally trillions of it.
Tom, for once we're on the same side. "
I completely agree.
It really is amazing that they keep finding more money.
I’m sure the government is just seeing how far they can run up the debt as they’ve already decided we’re fucked anyways.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Perhaps the budget should’ve included a 2.5% rise in income taxes across the board to be paid directly to nhs staff.
Moneys got to come from somewhere.
I’m sure all the people crawling out of the woodwork declaring the 1% offer disgusting would be more than willing to pay for it.
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
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And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true. "
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9% |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
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And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%"
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You seem to think that national finance is like domestic finance. The "there isn't magic money tree" argument. The further you look, the more you'll see that money is found all the time.
Literally trillions of it.
Tom, for once we're on the same side.
I completely agree.
It really is amazing that they keep finding more money.
I’m sure the government is just seeing how far they can run up the debt as they’ve already decided we’re fucked anyways.
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We print our own money. Look at quantative easing. Don't believe the debt argument.
I knew fuck all about economics, but there's a cracking book written by the Korean, whose name always escapes me, professor of economics at Oxford Uni called 23 things they don't tell you about capitalism and it is a proper eye opener. |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R"
And measured against inflation that is? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Totally agree OP...
But the country is in horrendous debt. 2.6 million are unemployed, hundreds of thousands are homeless, children are starving (just ask Marcus Rashford) and the majority of the country has been furloughed for a year. Yes of course nurses, doctors and paramedics deserve a massive pay rise and all sorts of honours but where does the money come from.
How much more debt can the country bare? "
the same people saying the rise isn’t enough will be agreeing on other threads where people say if the interest rates rise even a tiny bit the whole country goes under because we have so much debt and saying we need to stay home until every everyone has been vaccinated
i’m not saying any of those viewpoints are wrong but unfortunately they are all competing for the same pot of money
the economy is on its arse , yes we would all love a pay rise but the reality is neither public or private sectors are likely to get one for some time ... it will be the same for the private social care workers and supermarket workers that also all the way through in public, same for all the call centre and office folk that worked but did it from home and even worse for the travel agents and retail and hospitality workers who still don’t even know if they have a job to go back to
its crap for everyone but thats what happens when you have to shut down the economy to keep people alive , what on earth were people expecting  |
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Now if the budget had included a 20% pay cut for government ministers, I might have been more inclined to think that 1% for NHS was reasonable. Or alternatively no pay rise as such, but put all nurses onto the MPs expenses scheme...
Or make it performance related - in which case BoJos responsibility for 124,261 dead ought to entitle him to about a 99% pay cut... |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?"
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise."
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers. |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers."
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math? |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers."
Had wages kept up with inflation, then that Band 1 nurse that earned £15,000 in 2015 would be on £17,005.88p in 2020. The previous poster said the actual salary was £18,000, so the pay had gone up by more than inflation in the meantime |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Totally agree OP...
But the country is in horrendous debt. 2.6 million are unemployed, hundreds of thousands are homeless, children are starving (just ask Marcus Rashford) and the majority of the country has been furloughed for a year. Yes of course nurses, doctors and paramedics deserve a massive pay rise and all sorts of honours but where does the money come from.
How much more debt can the country bare?
the same people saying the rise isn’t enough will be agreeing on other threads where people say if the interest rates rise even a tiny bit the whole country goes under because we have so much debt and saying we need to stay home until every everyone has been vaccinated
i’m not saying any of those viewpoints are wrong but unfortunately they are all competing for the same pot of money
the economy is on its arse , yes we would all love a pay rise but the reality is neither public or private sectors are likely to get one for some time ... it will be the same for the private social care workers and supermarket workers that also all the way through in public, same for all the call centre and office folk that worked but did it from home and even worse for the travel agents and retail and hospitality workers who still don’t even know if they have a job to go back to
its crap for everyone but thats what happens when you have to shut down the economy to keep people alive , what on earth were people expecting "
considering we are a debt based consumer economy how does keeping wages low help the situation? |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math? "
Yeah. What she said! ^^ |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is anyone else actually getting a rise..?
Nope! "
Before everyone jumps in nurses have saved my life on more than one occasion, last year they saved my leg too. They are also well paid as well. Bonuses last year, discounts and jumping lines in supermarkets,money knocked off takeaways...
100's of millions raised for NHS workers by capt Tom etc, not for kidney machines or or mri scanners but for NHS staff. Now add government bonuses too and you've got a tidy sum there.
Its not that I'm anti NHS, far from it. Its not that I think I'm worth a rise though I won't be getting one again. I know lots of nurses and staff and they all get fantastic pensions. Drive brand new cars and holiday more than once a year abroad.
I also know ex soldiers too. They put their life on the line, suffer life changing injuries and suffer PTSD too. Wheres their claps? Police, firemen not to mention the care workers looking after our parents and grand parents and on minimum wage. Teachers looking after the children, bus drivers of which many have died. The list is endless...
I don't know the luxury of inflation linked rises but I'm not complaining.
Perhaps instead of poking a camera in front of a disgruntled nurse they should hang around outside of a food bank or some factory where all the workers are worried sick about how they'll survive with no job. Parents who can't afford bills or luxeries.
Yes we are all in their debt but there's only so much money in the pot and there's so many who also deserve too.
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math?
Yeah. What she said! ^^"
Because inflation has risen at around 3.5% to 4.2% per year. |
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"The NHS need the pay rise more than the MPs need it or the PM needs to renovate no. 11 "
Ok, now I have to point out stupidity. Most Mp’s have gone on record refusing a pay rise and their numbers compared to nurses is insignificant.
Yes nurses deserve a pay, please explain where the money comes from |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math?
Yeah. What she said! ^^
Because inflation has risen at around 3.5% to 4.2% per year."
Use this : https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator
It’s from quite an official source! |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math?
Yeah. What she said! ^^
Because inflation has risen at around 3.5% to 4.2% per year."
In simpler terms, my rent has doubled in ten years |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math? "
it would be 22,500 not 17k! 15k in 2005 would be 22.5k in 2020 adjusted for inflation. |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math? it would be 22,500 not 17k! 15k in 2005 would be 22.5k in 2020 adjusted for inflation. "
The poster said 2015, not 2005 |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math?
Yeah. What she said! ^^
Because inflation has risen at around 3.5% to 4.2% per year.
Use this : https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator
It’s from quite an official source!"
Sorry, are you counting the rate of inflation of nurses wages or inflation (i.e the increased cost of living) in relation to nurses wages?
I'm doing the latter, but like I say maths isn't my strong point. |
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I don't think you can talk about band 1 and band 5 nurse salary increases in the same breath. Those in the very lowest bands (below a certain annual income) had proportionally greater increases under the auspices of lifting people out of poverty. Higher annual salaries had smaller percentage increases at different times. |
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"Now if the budget had included a 20% pay cut for government ministers, I might have been more inclined to think that 1% for NHS was reasonable. Or alternatively no pay rise as such, but put all nurses onto the MPs expenses scheme...
Or make it performance related - in which case BoJos responsibility for 124,261 dead ought to entitle him to about a 99% pay cut..."
You’re really blaming one man for all the Covid deaths? ... not the people who refuse to wear a mask, who deny Covid is real, who refuse a vaccine, who can’t be arsed to stay home but think it’s ok to go out an socialise, party, meet..? |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math?
Yeah. What she said! ^^
Because inflation has risen at around 3.5% to 4.2% per year."
the calculator online has literally done that calculation for you - 15k then is 17,005 now (thats inflation of 13.3% roughly over 5 years)
and 18k over 15k is 20% , so the pay rise beats inflation by 6.7%
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"Now if the budget had included a 20% pay cut for government ministers, I might have been more inclined to think that 1% for NHS was reasonable. Or alternatively no pay rise as such, but put all nurses onto the MPs expenses scheme...
Or make it performance related - in which case BoJos responsibility for 124,261 dead ought to entitle him to about a 99% pay cut...
You’re really blaming one man for all the Covid deaths? ... not the people who refuse to wear a mask, who deny Covid is real, who refuse a vaccine, who can’t be arsed to stay home but think it’s ok to go out an socialise, party, meet..? "
He could have turned up to a meeting or maybe followed the pandemic procedures. |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
R
And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math? it would be 22,500 not 17k! 15k in 2005 would be 22.5k in 2020 adjusted for inflation.
The poster said 2015, not 2005"
yeah ive typo’d 2015 and 2005 but i still based the calculation off the number provided by the original poster - the dates don’t make a difference its the values |
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" In simpler terms, my rent has doubled in ten years "
thats an over simplification though and more driven by the availability of mortgages / number of properties / location, than inflation |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
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And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
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And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math?
Yeah. What she said! ^^
Because inflation has risen at around 3.5% to 4.2% per year.
the calculator online has literally done that calculation for you - 15k then is 17,005 now (thats inflation of 13.3% roughly over 5 years)
and 18k over 15k is 20% , so the pay rise beats inflation by 6.7%
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its 22,905 using that calculator! |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
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And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math?
Yeah. What she said! ^^
Because inflation has risen at around 3.5% to 4.2% per year.
the calculator online has literally done that calculation for you - 15k then is 17,005 now (thats inflation of 13.3% roughly over 5 years)
and 18k over 15k is 20% , so the pay rise beats inflation by 6.7%
its 22,905 using that calculator! "
See above : 2005 was a typo. Should read 2015. |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
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And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math?
Yeah. What she said! ^^
Because inflation has risen at around 3.5% to 4.2% per year.
the calculator online has literally done that calculation for you - 15k then is 17,005 now (thats inflation of 13.3% roughly over 5 years)
and 18k over 15k is 20% , so the pay rise beats inflation by 6.7%
its 22,905 using that calculator! "
he asked about the math - i explained it based on the numbers in the post |
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"I read nurses salaries have increased 13% in 5 years. Is that in line with the rest of the population?
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And it's not true
According to the nursing times website it is true.
According to "full fact" nurses in band 5 are paid £3k a year more than they were 10 years ago. Measured against inflation this is a wage decrease of 9%
Band 1 nurse in 2015 was £15000 in 2020 its £18000 so it's an increase of 20%
R
And measured against inflation that is?
£15k in 2015 would be £17,005.88 in 2020 according to the Bank of England’s inflation calculator. So an inflation busting rise.
I'm really confused. How is this inflation busting? It doesn't even keep up with inflation. Maths isn't my strong point, please explain the numbers.
if 15k in 2005 would be 17k in 2020 because of inflation, and the nurses salary is now &18k then they made an increase higher than inflation , not saying its a large increase but whats not to understand about the math? it would be 22,500 not 17k! 15k in 2005 would be 22.5k in 2020 adjusted for inflation.
The poster said 2015, not 2005
yeah ive typo’d 2015 and 2005 but i still based the calculation off the number provided by the original poster - the dates don’t make a difference its the values "
Ah OK I see what's happened there. Its still appalling that nurses are paid that, considering what they do and that it requires a degree as well. Giving them a big rise would stimulate the economy as well, makes no sense to treat them like this. |
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" In simpler terms, my rent has doubled in ten years
thats an over simplification though and more driven by the availability of mortgages / number of properties / location, than inflation "
True.
So your point is that nurses wages have kept, not just in line with, but in front of inflation in the last 10 years? Annually. |
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" the calculator online has literally done that calculation for you - 15k then is 17,005 now (thats inflation of 13.3% roughly over 5 years)
and 18k over 15k is 20% , so the pay rise beats inflation by 6.7% "
wish i hadn’t found that calculator - just discovered that in that same 5 years my pay rises (private sector ) come out at 8.9% - so 4.4% under inflation and 11.1% under nurses |
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" In simpler terms, my rent has doubled in ten years
thats an over simplification though and more driven by the availability of mortgages / number of properties / location, than inflation
True.
So your point is that nurses wages have kept, not just in line with, but in front of inflation in the last 10 years? Annually."
it wasn’t my point (you asked someone to help with the math and thats what i did) , but from the numbers provided (which were only for 5 years) the maths would appear so yes - the 5 years before that we would need the data |
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The use of band 1 is confusing things here. Nurses who are degree qualified and registered with the NMC start on band 5:
"Newly qualified, NMC registered Nurses start at Band 5, and the most qualified and experienced nursing consultants and specialists can climb all the way to the uppermost pay band, which is band 9." |
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1% is better than nothing, which is what the rest of us are getting. As for putting their life at risk, it's their job. I was in the forces as were most of my family and a lot of my friends. Some died in service but we knew what we signed up for. |
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" In simpler terms, my rent has doubled in ten years
thats an over simplification though and more driven by the availability of mortgages / number of properties / location, than inflation
True.
So your point is that nurses wages have kept, not just in line with, but in front of inflation in the last 10 years? Annually.
it wasn’t my point (you asked someone to help with the math and thats what i did) , but from the numbers provided (which were only for 5 years) the maths would appear so yes - the 5 years before that we would need the data "
Let's say 2.5% per year. |
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" In simpler terms, my rent has doubled in ten years
thats an over simplification though and more driven by the availability of mortgages / number of properties / location, than inflation
True.
So your point is that nurses wages have kept, not just in line with, but in front of inflation in the last 10 years? Annually.
it wasn’t my point (you asked someone to help with the math and thats what i did) , but from the numbers provided (which were only for 5 years) the maths would appear so yes - the 5 years before that we would need the data
Let's say 2.5% per year. "
thats not how data works - you cant just pluck a number you feel is right out of thin air and hope it makes or disproves your point - its a pointless exercise |
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Nurse Banding in the UK - Nursing Jobs UK
Here's an explanation of the different bands in nursing, which is a bit confusing because some of the roles in lower bands than 5 you'd not necessarily expect to be described as nursing. |
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"1% is better than nothing, which is what the rest of us are getting. As for putting their life at risk, it's their job. I was in the forces as were most of my family and a lot of my friends. Some died in service but we knew what we signed up for. "
Nurses don't sign up expecting they might get killed in the line of duty. Not knocking your boys and girls, they're tough hombres and to be applauded, but it's not a great analogy. |
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" In simpler terms, my rent has doubled in ten years
thats an over simplification though and more driven by the availability of mortgages / number of properties / location, than inflation
True.
So your point is that nurses wages have kept, not just in line with, but in front of inflation in the last 10 years? Annually.
it wasn’t my point (you asked someone to help with the math and thats what i did) , but from the numbers provided (which were only for 5 years) the maths would appear so yes - the 5 years before that we would need the data
Let's say 2.5% per year.
thats not how data works - you cant just pluck a number you feel is right out of thin air and hope it makes or disproves your point - its a pointless exercise "
I got it from the Bank of England website. Not thin air. |
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"1% is better than nothing, which is what the rest of us are getting. As for putting their life at risk, it's their job. I was in the forces as were most of my family and a lot of my friends. Some died in service but we knew what we signed up for.
Nurses don't sign up expecting they might get killed in the line of duty. Not knocking your boys and girls, they're tough hombres and to be applauded, but it's not a great analogy."
its an example though of where people might not have the same sympathy to go round that they would in a different economic situation
for example not too long ago (or it seems that way but pandemic time could mean it was actually 5 years  ) people were out in the streets with banners and placards backing up teachers who deserved pay rises - at that point people across all sectors were probably also getting pay rises and felt it was unfair to stand by and watch teachers get left behind
thats no longer the current situation - most of the country will be getting no pay rise this year, many of them have been on 20% pay cut due to furlough, possibly no job to go back to or have already lost it , some lost their whole business got no help and are on UC ... in the current economic circumstances those people would likely have been very happy to accept a 1% pay rise as not great but better than nothing and certainly better than the cuts they have had to face instead |
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" In simpler terms, my rent has doubled in ten years
thats an over simplification though and more driven by the availability of mortgages / number of properties / location, than inflation
True.
So your point is that nurses wages have kept, not just in line with, but in front of inflation in the last 10 years? Annually.
it wasn’t my point (you asked someone to help with the math and thats what i did) , but from the numbers provided (which were only for 5 years) the maths would appear so yes - the 5 years before that we would need the data
Let's say 2.5% per year.
thats not how data works - you cant just pluck a number you feel is right out of thin air and hope it makes or disproves your point - its a pointless exercise
I got it from the Bank of England website. Not thin air."
then why say “lets say 2.5%” without specifying what it is or where you got it from - are you saying average inflation over 10 years was 2.5% -
what are the salaries in the same time period that you wish to compare? |
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"1% is better than nothing, which is what the rest of us are getting. As for putting their life at risk, it's their job. I was in the forces as were most of my family and a lot of my friends. Some died in service but we knew what we signed up for.
Nurses don't sign up expecting they might get killed in the line of duty. Not knocking your boys and girls, they're tough hombres and to be applauded, but it's not a great analogy.
its an example though of where people might not have the same sympathy to go round that they would in a different economic situation
for example not too long ago (or it seems that way but pandemic time could mean it was actually 5 years ) people were out in the streets with banners and placards backing up teachers who deserved pay rises - at that point people across all sectors were probably also getting pay rises and felt it was unfair to stand by and watch teachers get left behind
thats no longer the current situation - most of the country will be getting no pay rise this year, many of them have been on 20% pay cut due to furlough, possibly no job to go back to or have already lost it , some lost their whole business got no help and are on UC ... in the current economic circumstances those people would likely have been very happy to accept a 1% pay rise as not great but better than nothing and certainly better than the cuts they have had to face instead "
I'm one of the people, private sector, arts and entertainment, who has seen his industry crushed by covid. I am in rather a lot of debt because of it.
I still maintain the OP's point is a valid one. 1% pay increase for the industry that saved our lives is a disgrace.
Also this:
https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/
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"1% is better than nothing, which is what the rest of us are getting. As for putting their life at risk, it's their job. I was in the forces as were most of my family and a lot of my friends. Some died in service but we knew what we signed up for.
Nurses don't sign up expecting they might get killed in the line of duty. Not knocking your boys and girls, they're tough hombres and to be applauded, but it's not a great analogy.
its an example though of where people might not have the same sympathy to go round that they would in a different economic situation
for example not too long ago (or it seems that way but pandemic time could mean it was actually 5 years ) people were out in the streets with banners and placards backing up teachers who deserved pay rises - at that point people across all sectors were probably also getting pay rises and felt it was unfair to stand by and watch teachers get left behind
thats no longer the current situation - most of the country will be getting no pay rise this year, many of them have been on 20% pay cut due to furlough, possibly no job to go back to or have already lost it , some lost their whole business got no help and are on UC ... in the current economic circumstances those people would likely have been very happy to accept a 1% pay rise as not great but better than nothing and certainly better than the cuts they have had to face instead "
Completely agree. In these times, 1% is equivalent to a 5% pay rise pre-Covid. Everything is relative. I'm sure all the unemployed and non-working self-employed people out there would love to have a job to strike from. |
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" In simpler terms, my rent has doubled in ten years
thats an over simplification though and more driven by the availability of mortgages / number of properties / location, than inflation
True.
So your point is that nurses wages have kept, not just in line with, but in front of inflation in the last 10 years? Annually.
it wasn’t my point (you asked someone to help with the math and thats what i did) , but from the numbers provided (which were only for 5 years) the maths would appear so yes - the 5 years before that we would need the data
Let's say 2.5% per year.
thats not how data works - you cant just pluck a number you feel is right out of thin air and hope it makes or disproves your point - its a pointless exercise
I got it from the Bank of England website. Not thin air.
then why say “lets say 2.5%” without specifying what it is or where you got it from - are you saying average inflation over 10 years was 2.5% -
what are the salaries in the same time period that you wish to compare? "
I guess cause I thought you'd be assuming I wasn't an idiot so didn't think to mention it.
I'm going on the premise that nurses salaries have not increased in line with inflation in the last ten years. Simply from what I've read. I am happy to be convinced otherwise. |
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" In simpler terms, my rent has doubled in ten years
thats an over simplification though and more driven by the availability of mortgages / number of properties / location, than inflation
True.
So your point is that nurses wages have kept, not just in line with, but in front of inflation in the last 10 years? Annually.
it wasn’t my point (you asked someone to help with the math and thats what i did) , but from the numbers provided (which were only for 5 years) the maths would appear so yes - the 5 years before that we would need the data
Let's say 2.5% per year.
thats not how data works - you cant just pluck a number you feel is right out of thin air and hope it makes or disproves your point - its a pointless exercise
I got it from the Bank of England website. Not thin air.
then why say “lets say 2.5%” without specifying what it is or where you got it from - are you saying average inflation over 10 years was 2.5% -
what are the salaries in the same time period that you wish to compare?
I guess cause I thought you'd be assuming I wasn't an idiot so didn't think to mention it.
I'm going on the premise that nurses salaries have not increased in line with inflation in the last ten years. Simply from what I've read. I am happy to be convinced otherwise."
again im going to tell you it wasn’t my point to refute - i’m not going to go search out data to either prove or disprove your point - thats for you to do
my personal opinion is its likely their haven't kept up with inflation (as others have said the example above was a bottom rung grade where raises need to be higher to bring them into affordable living brackets which is the same a ross all industries and has probably skewed the analysis)
however its not an nhs specific issue, wages have not been keeping up with inflation in pretty much any industry and for much longer than 10 years - its a much bigger issue that is not likely to be solved by chucking a few extra quid at nurses from a budget written in the middle of a pandemic |
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I'm going to have to leave this thread. It's extremely frustrating and I was in a good mood. I come to fab for a bit of fun.
'I'm not getting a pay rise so they can do one' just doesn't cut it for me. Financially I am on my knees like lots of us, but what's lacking here is emapthy, gratitude and a sense of community.
I think 1% is an insult, I think performance bonuses would be more in order.
Individualism will be the death of this species.
I wish you peace and love. Like the virtue signalling snowflake that I am. |
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"I'm going to have to leave this thread. It's extremely frustrating and I was in a good mood. I come to fab for a bit of fun.
'I'm not getting a pay rise so they can do one' just doesn't cut it for me. Financially I am on my knees like lots of us, but what's lacking here is emapthy, gratitude and a sense of community.
I think 1% is an insult, I think performance bonuses would be more in order.
Individualism will be the death of this species.
I wish you peace and love. Like the virtue signalling snowflake that I am."
you are misinterpreting - its not a case of i don’t get so you shouldn't get
its a case of understanding why nobody is getting and being realistic about the current situation |
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"I'm going to have to leave this thread. It's extremely frustrating and I was in a good mood. I come to fab for a bit of fun.
'I'm not getting a pay rise so they can do one' just doesn't cut it for me. Financially I am on my knees like lots of us, but what's lacking here is emapthy, gratitude and a sense of community.
I think 1% is an insult, I think performance bonuses would be more in order.
Individualism will be the death of this species.
I wish you peace and love. Like the virtue signalling snowflake that I am."
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"I'm going to have to leave this thread. It's extremely frustrating and I was in a good mood. I come to fab for a bit of fun.
'I'm not getting a pay rise so they can do one' just doesn't cut it for me. Financially I am on my knees like lots of us, but what's lacking here is emapthy, gratitude and a sense of community.
I think 1% is an insult, I think performance bonuses would be more in order.
Individualism will be the death of this species.
I wish you peace and love. Like the virtue signalling snowflake that I am."
A few things :
1) don’t let randomers off the internet wind you up, it’s not worth the hassle and life is definitely way too short to get unnecessarily frustrated by differing opinions.
2) I think most reasonable people agree that in an ideal world we’d give everyone a decent pay rise.
3) imho, an above inflation (CPI is currently 0.9%) pay rise and relative job security is actually a decent place to be compared to millions of others also suffering during COVID, even if most would agree that it would be nice to pay more
4) but focus on 1) above more than anything. Really. Trust me. |
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"I'm going to have to leave this thread. It's extremely frustrating and I was in a good mood. I come to fab for a bit of fun.
'I'm not getting a pay rise so they can do one' just doesn't cut it for me. Financially I am on my knees like lots of us, but what's lacking here is emapthy, gratitude and a sense of community.
“I think 1% is an insult”, I think performance bonuses would be more in order.
“Individualism will be the death of this species.”
“I wish you peace and love.” Like the virtue signalling snowflake that I am."
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"I'm going to have to leave this thread. It's extremely frustrating and I was in a good mood. I come to fab for a bit of fun.
'I'm not getting a pay rise so they can do one' just doesn't cut it for me. Financially I am on my knees like lots of us, but what's lacking here is emapthy, gratitude and a sense of community.
I think 1% is an insult, I think performance bonuses would be more in order.
Individualism will be the death of this species.
I wish you peace and love. Like the virtue signalling snowflake that I am.
A few things :
1) don’t let randomers off the internet wind you up, it’s not worth the hassle and life is definitely way too short to get unnecessarily frustrated by differing opinions.
2) I think most reasonable people agree that in an ideal world we’d give everyone a decent pay rise.
3) imho, an above inflation (CPI is currently 0.9%) pay rise and relative job security is actually a decent place to be compared to millions of others also suffering during COVID, even if most would agree that it would be nice to pay more
4) but focus on 1) above more than anything. Really. Trust me. "
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"I'm very lucky that I will not be paying any additional tax next year.Thats because I've got 0% pay rise. "
I work in the medical field in the states I was mad AF. When I seen someone else post it.
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"Totally agree OP...
But the country is in horrendous debt. 2.6 million are unemployed, hundreds of thousands are homeless, children are starving (just ask Marcus Rashford) and the majority of the country has been furloughed for a year. Yes of course nurses, doctors and paramedics deserve a massive pay rise and all sorts of honours but where does the money come from.
How much more debt can the country bare? "
This is the reality. And every other public sector key worker who has had to work through the pandemic is getting a pay freeze. NHS staff are the only key workers getting a rise. |
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By *JB1954Man
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I am on pension. Get rises according to inflation etc. Yes I would like nurses to get bigger pay rise. Due to this pandemic , where does money come from ? . If Uk could get money from likes of Amazon etc who trade here yet pay little tax . Yet have made excess profits due to pandemic. But know how to avoid taxes. |
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By *odgerMan
over a year ago
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"ok, so which pot of money do you raid then OP to give a better pay rise?"
Maybe the pot that pays 6k a day to consultants, possibly some of the money wasted on the app and possibly some of the money the tories gave to their mates. Its not a difficult equation. |
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"ok, so which pot of money do you raid then OP to give a better pay rise?
Maybe the pot that pays 6k a day to consultants, possibly some of the money wasted on the app and possibly some of the money the tories gave to their mates. Its not a difficult equation."
emmm rightly or wrongly that money is already spent so the pot you suggest doesn’t exist unless you have a time machine - any other suggestions? |
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By *odgerMan
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All this is all kind of irrelevant. A few tenths of a per cent here or there is purely a pedants discussion. Fact is nurses need a degree to practice and so they should be paid as such. |
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"I haven’t a clue what I’m going to spend my 1% pay rise on Tbh I’d rather not have it as it’s an insult "
Just to say thank you to all NHS seems so little for not only the work you do but the stress this pandemic has put you under x. |
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"ok, so which pot of money do you raid then OP to give a better pay rise?
Maybe the pot that pays 6k a day to consultants, possibly some of the money wasted on the app and possibly some of the money the tories gave to their mates. Its not a difficult equation.
emmm rightly or wrongly that money is already spent so the pot you suggest doesn’t exist unless you have a time machine - any other suggestions? "
Is it...are all the consultants gone then? Its all choices...they can pay it if they want..yes might add to the national debt..but everything they've done so far has done just that..and they've chosen to do that. Choices. |
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Loads of the figures posted make little sense: inflation in the U.K. has been below 5% since 1992. For the last year it was 0.9%.
Data from the Office For National Statistics.
That said, the debate is really whether NHS nurses deserve more than 1% raise. Personally I think so.
They are very underpaid like all other public services (education, police...) which despite their invaluable contribution to society are not viewed as adding value because they do not create wealth. This is the sad reality of our economically liberal society. Very short sighted in my opinion. |
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"Loads of the figures posted make little sense: inflation in the U.K. has been below 5% since 1992. For the last year it was 0.9%.
Data from the Office For National Statistics.
That said, the debate is really whether NHS nurses deserve more than 1% raise. Personally I think so.
They are very underpaid like all other public services (education, police...) which despite their invaluable contribution to society are not viewed as adding value because they do not create wealth. This is the sad reality of our economically liberal society. Very short sighted in my opinion."
I should clarify: do not create wealth in a direct fashion ie easily quantifiable in monetary terms. |
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"How big was cummings' pay rise last year?
40%?"
Then that seems very reasonable as a starting point for rewarding the essential workers that were exposing themselves to danger every day last year. |
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