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This may be an unpopular opinion, but he made a mistake. He simply didn't think of the consequences of his actions and how many of us do that, if serious allegations are found then yes the law should be followed. But the knock on affect of his actions should not be felt by penalising all of the staff he employs by banning him |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion, but he made a mistake. He simply didn't think of the consequences of his actions and how many of us do that, if serious allegations are found then yes the law should be followed. But the knock on affect of his actions should not be felt by penalising all of the staff he employs by banning him"
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"This may be an unpopular opinion, but he made a mistake. He simply didn't think of the consequences of his actions and how many of us do that, if serious allegations are found then yes the law should be followed. But the knock on affect of his actions should not be felt by penalising all of the staff he employs by banning him"
He deliberately sat on that poor horse and posed for that picture. He is a grown man who is supposed to have empathy and compassion. And utmost respect for the animals he trains. And if he doesn't have that then he should not be permitted to work with those animals again. If any normal person came across a horse like that I very much doubt they would think it funny enough to climb on top and take a picture. To me that's a bit more than not thinking about the consequences of his actions. The actions should have never even been a thought in his head.
I feel sorry for the people who are now missing out. They did nothing wrong but it's on him,not anyone else. The right decision was made. |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion, but he made a mistake. He simply didn't think of the consequences of his actions and how many of us do that, if serious allegations are found then yes the law should be followed. But the knock on affect of his actions should not be felt by penalising all of the staff he employs by banning him
He deliberately sat on that poor horse and posed for that picture. He is a grown man who is supposed to have empathy and compassion. And utmost respect for the animals he trains. And if he doesn't have that then he should not be permitted to work with those animals again. If any normal person came across a horse like that I very much doubt they would think it funny enough to climb on top and take a picture. To me that's a bit more than not thinking about the consequences of his actions. The actions should have never even been a thought in his head.
I feel sorry for the people who are now missing out. They did nothing wrong but it's on him,not anyone else. The right decision was made. "
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if he employed me and i found he had done what he did i would have left his employment of my own volition as i wouldn't want to be connected to him in any way shape or form. he comes across as sadly lacking any qualities required to be thought of as a human being to be perfectly frank. |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion, but he made a mistake. He simply didn't think of the consequences of his actions and how many of us do that, if serious allegations are found then yes the law should be followed. But the knock on affect of his actions should not be felt by penalising all of the staff he employs by banning him
He deliberately sat on that poor horse and posed for that picture. He is a grown man who is supposed to have empathy and compassion. And utmost respect for the animals he trains. And if he doesn't have that then he should not be permitted to work with those animals again. If any normal person came across a horse like that I very much doubt they would think it funny enough to climb on top and take a picture. To me that's a bit more than not thinking about the consequences of his actions. The actions should have never even been a thought in his head.
I feel sorry for the people who are now missing out. They did nothing wrong but it's on him,not anyone else. The right decision was made. "
He released a different statement on the news, he said he was helping to move, answered his phone and sat down, completely the wrong choice indeed but two sides to every story. I hope all of his staff and jockeys are able to find other places of work in these times if he does get shut down. |
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posing for a photo whilst grinning and giving a peace sign is not really being repectful of an animal that has died whilst in your charge. it's a display of extremely poor husbandry and is in even poorer taste to have posed for a photo in such a way. |
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He's one of the best trainers around, this picture we leaked not posted. As far as I'm aware he hasn't been in any trouble before. If that is the case take the man for his word in his statement. If he has been reprimanded for anything previously then he definitely needs to be investigated. Let's not forget that these animals are his life. |
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Granted, but if we are to believe his statement it seems it was a un-conscious act. Him sitting on the horse whilst taking a call and telling someone he'll be a minute. I'm not defending the act just pointing out that if the guys hasn't given anyone any other reason to believe he mistreats the animals. We should be able to take his word |
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How the outraged enjoy witch hunts.
Where are people when there is cruetly going on ? To animals, to people ?
The horse was dead.
Would I sit on a dead horse ? Probably not but then I don't work with them day in day out year in year out. It is a regular occurrence for someone who works with animals to witness their death and deal with disposal.
For a bend of the knee and parking his arse he is being hounded.
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"How the outraged enjoy witch hunts.
Where are people when there is cruetly going on ? To animals, to people ?
The horse was dead.
Would I sit on a dead horse ? Probably not but then I don't work with them day in day out year in year out. It is a regular occurrence for someone who works with animals to witness their death and deal with disposal.
For a bend of the knee and parking his arse he is being hounded.
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My line of work brings me in contact with dead and dying people.
I tend not to sit on their bodies, regardless of my level of desensitisation. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Is sitting on a dead animal worse than slaughtering healthy animals so we can eat them ? "
Probably not , if I had a choice between my entire species being ensIaved tortured and murdered for unnecessary food vs relative freedom and being sat on after I died, I’d choose the latter. But the photo sells tabloids and we love to hate successful people |
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"He's a race horse trainer. A picture has been released of him taking a phone call astride a dead horse. "
Not just sitting astride, he is smiling and doing a victory sign, like he is proud of himself. He also isnt the original rider of that horse, its tack has been removed.
From a professed lover of animals its a disgusting act. But there is also the photographer who should be held to account and a bystander on the edge of the picture.
If you had Owned that horse, and this came to light, how would you feel?
Owners entrust their horses to trainers and its the trainers responsibility to ensure the horses in his care are treated with kindness and respect.
If he cant be trusted, it reflects not just on him, but his employees too. |
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"He's a race horse trainer. A picture has been released of him taking a phone call astride a dead horse.
Not just sitting astride, he is smiling and doing a victory sign, like he is proud of himself. He also isnt the original rider of that horse, its tack has been removed.
From a professed lover of animals its a disgusting act. But there is also the photographer who should be held to account and a bystander on the edge of the picture.
If you had Owned that horse, and this came to light, how would you feel?
Owners entrust their horses to trainers and its the trainers responsibility to ensure the horses in his care are treated with kindness and respect.
If he cant be trusted, it reflects not just on him, but his employees too."
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Over glorifying the personal opinions and irrational outrage of the public Has lead to this cancel culture and mass outbreak of Karens...
I definitely believe it was insensitive to have that photo posted online or even have it taken in the first place but me, just like everybody else, don’t even know the guy or understand the situation of how that photo was taken, we can only assume, and when you assume you usually get it all wrong. I don’t for one second believe he thought like some wild animal poacher celebrating his kill “hey Dave get a photo of me there mate”.
He is a professional horse trainer so he clearly has compassion and love for the animals. I think to have his careers ruined over a photo leading to assumptions is outrageous. But again that’s my personal opinion and it’s irrelevant just like everybody else’s.
I don’t agree at all with horse racing in the first place, but I’m certainly not looking for someone to shoot out of the sky over a dead horse |
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"Over glorifying the personal opinions and irrational outrage of the public Has lead to this cancel culture and mass outbreak of Karens...
I definitely believe it was insensitive to have that photo posted online or even have it taken in the first place but me, just like everybody else, don’t even know the guy or understand the situation of how that photo was taken, we can only assume, and when you assume you usually get it all wrong. I don’t for one second believe he thought like some wild animal poacher celebrating his kill “hey Dave get a photo of me there mate”.
He is a professional horse trainer so he clearly has compassion and love for the animals. I think to have his careers ruined over a photo leading to assumptions is outrageous. But again that’s my personal opinion and it’s irrelevant just like everybody else’s.
I don’t agree at all with horse racing in the first place, but I’m certainly not looking for someone to shoot out of the sky over a dead horse "
I am not irrationally outraged, my anger is perfectly rational.
I worked with horses, professionally so I know a little about racing as well.
Its more than insensitive. Its degrading the horse. Making light of its death. Its exactly like those poachers, the racing industry particularly has reputation for using horses as a commodity.
Those in positions of power have a responsibility to act in a way that can be held to account and his actions are indefensible. |
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"Over glorifying the personal opinions and irrational outrage of the public Has lead to this cancel culture and mass outbreak of Karens...
I definitely believe it was insensitive to have that photo posted online or even have it taken in the first place but me, just like everybody else, don’t even know the guy or understand the situation of how that photo was taken, we can only assume, and when you assume you usually get it all wrong. I don’t for one second believe he thought like some wild animal poacher celebrating his kill “hey Dave get a photo of me there mate”.
He is a professional horse trainer so he clearly has compassion and love for the animals. I think to have his careers ruined over a photo leading to assumptions is outrageous. But again that’s my personal opinion and it’s irrelevant just like everybody else’s.
I don’t agree at all with horse racing in the first place, but I’m certainly not looking for someone to shoot out of the sky over a dead horse
I am not irrationally outraged, my anger is perfectly rational.
I worked with horses, professionally so I know a little about racing as well.
Its more than insensitive. Its degrading the horse. Making light of its death. Its exactly like those poachers, the racing industry particularly has reputation for using horses as a commodity.
Those in positions of power have a responsibility to act in a way that can be held to account and his actions are indefensible."
If horses are used as a commodity by the racing fraternity why is it only now that outrage is being expressed. The horse is dead, wouldn’t the outrage be better directed at the treatment of the living ones? |
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Precisely.
I've only had a quick look at the picture and it doesn't look like a selfie.
Unfortunately people can only see a snapshot and make their own story around it.
I'm not sure how the horse died. I think I'll check it out. |
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"Precisely.
I've only had a quick look at the picture and it doesn't look like a selfie.
Unfortunately people can only see a snapshot and make their own story around it.
I'm not sure how the horse died. I think I'll check it out."
It had a heart attack out on the gallops, according to the man sat astride it. |
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"Precisely.
I've only had a quick look at the picture and it doesn't look like a selfie.
Unfortunately people can only see a snapshot and make their own story around it.
I'm not sure how the horse died. I think I'll check it out.
It had a heart attack out on the gallops, according to the man sat astride it."
I don't know the man, o know very little about horse racing but do you think the outrage stems from the whole attitude to the horse rather than the attitude now its dead? |
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His ridiculous excuse for it on his letter released on twitter, he cant even put his hands up and admit what hes done. Im a avid racing fan and would love to see the muppet banned for life. Its not gone down well at all.  |
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I once whilst in Germany ate horse, tbh as far as I knew it was humanely killed or died naturally and then entered the food chain..
Not sure I can morally make any judgement about the picture, it probably wasn't a good idea now it's been exposed but perhaps judge the guy on more than just this one thing ..
Not personally a fan of the horse racing industry nor the greyhound racing industry either .. |
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"His ridiculous excuse for it on his letter released on twitter, he cant even put his hands up and admit what hes done. Im a avid racing fan and would love to see the muppet banned for life. Its not gone down well at all. "
Yeah I don’t buy that excuse at all! |
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"Precisely.
I've only had a quick look at the picture and it doesn't look like a selfie.
Unfortunately people can only see a snapshot and make their own story around it.
I'm not sure how the horse died. I think I'll check it out.
It had a heart attack out on the gallops, according to the man sat astride it.
I don't know the man, o know very little about horse racing but do you think the outrage stems from the whole attitude to the horse rather than the attitude now its dead?"
I just think it's very disrespectful. You wouldn't sit on your dead pet or relative. The horse wasn't necessarily his animal, probably owned by someone else and he trained it. It's just about conducting yourself respectfully at all times when working with animals, not treating an expensive animal that belongs to someone else like that. |
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"His ridiculous excuse for it on his letter released on twitter, he cant even put his hands up and admit what hes done. Im a avid racing fan and would love to see the muppet banned for life. Its not gone down well at all.
Yeah I don’t buy that excuse at all!"
Thats the issue for me, yes he shouldnt have done it but it caused no harm to the animal, it was just disrespectful and not a good image to portray. If he had stood up and said he made a mistake, it was a error and he apologizes maybe a season ban, however hes not.
Hes very well respected and does love the animals he trains but wont admit fault. |
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Thing is, whatever your individual views on the welfare/respect etc. The bloke is presumably wanting to be taken seriously as a professional. What kind of a gonk would allow for that much damage to be done to his 'brand'? What an imbecile! |
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"Thing is, whatever your individual views on the welfare/respect etc. The bloke is presumably wanting to be taken seriously as a professional. What kind of a gonk would allow for that much damage to be done to his 'brand'? What an imbecile! "
Not sure he would have posted it, tbh could be a grudge or an aggrieved former employee.. |
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"Thing is, whatever your individual views on the welfare/respect etc. The bloke is presumably wanting to be taken seriously as a professional. What kind of a gonk would allow for that much damage to be done to his 'brand'? What an imbecile!
Not sure he would have posted it, tbh could be a grudge or an aggrieved former employee.."
It looks like he posed for the picture, whatever he says, so I'd suggest he did not think it an unsuitable thing to do (take a picture, that is, as well as sit on the unfortunate animal). |
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"Precisely.
I've only had a quick look at the picture and it doesn't look like a selfie.
Unfortunately people can only see a snapshot and make their own story around it.
I'm not sure how the horse died. I think I'll check it out.
It had a heart attack out on the gallops, according to the man sat astride it.
I don't know the man, o know very little about horse racing but do you think the outrage stems from the whole attitude to the horse rather than the attitude now its dead?
I just think it's very disrespectful. You wouldn't sit on your dead pet or relative. The horse wasn't necessarily his animal, probably owned by someone else and he trained it. It's just about conducting yourself respectfully at all times when working with animals, not treating an expensive animal that belongs to someone else like that. "
Yeah I think its very disrespectful to the horse and I wouldn't do it to a relative or pet but I wouldn't force them over jumps with a whip in my hand when they were alive either. I can see why people are upset but how many of them have a bet on the big races I wonder. |
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"Precisely.
I've only had a quick look at the picture and it doesn't look like a selfie.
Unfortunately people can only see a snapshot and make their own story around it.
I'm not sure how the horse died. I think I'll check it out.
It had a heart attack out on the gallops, according to the man sat astride it.
I don't know the man, o know very little about horse racing but do you think the outrage stems from the whole attitude to the horse rather than the attitude now its dead?
I just think it's very disrespectful. You wouldn't sit on your dead pet or relative. The horse wasn't necessarily his animal, probably owned by someone else and he trained it. It's just about conducting yourself respectfully at all times when working with animals, not treating an expensive animal that belongs to someone else like that.
Yeah I think its very disrespectful to the horse and I wouldn't do it to a relative or pet but I wouldn't force them over jumps with a whip in my hand when they were alive either. I can see why people are upset but how many of them have a bet on the big races I wonder."
I ride horses but I don't like the horse racing industry.... |
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"Thing is, whatever your individual views on the welfare/respect etc. The bloke is presumably wanting to be taken seriously as a professional. What kind of a gonk would allow for that much damage to be done to his 'brand'? What an imbecile!
Not sure he would have posted it, tbh could be a grudge or an aggrieved former employee..
It looks like he posed for the picture, whatever he says, so I'd suggest he did not think it an unsuitable thing to do (take a picture, that is, as well as sit on the unfortunate animal)."
Was referring to who may have posted it.. |
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"Thing is, whatever your individual views on the welfare/respect etc. The bloke is presumably wanting to be taken seriously as a professional. What kind of a gonk would allow for that much damage to be done to his 'brand'? What an imbecile!
Not sure he would have posted it, tbh could be a grudge or an aggrieved former employee..
It looks like he posed for the picture, whatever he says, so I'd suggest he did not think it an unsuitable thing to do (take a picture, that is, as well as sit on the unfortunate animal).
Was referring to who may have posted it.."
I understand that. But still, it still looks to the outside observer that he posed for the pic and therefore at least at that moment, didn't think what he was doing was untoward. Clearly it's not him who shared it, but as we often say here, once a picture has been posted (or taken by A N Other), you lose control of its circulation, so don't post pics (or allow others to take pics) that you think aren't something you'd want on wider circulation. |
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"Precisely.
I've only had a quick look at the picture and it doesn't look like a selfie.
Unfortunately people can only see a snapshot and make their own story around it.
I'm not sure how the horse died. I think I'll check it out.
It had a heart attack out on the gallops, according to the man sat astride it.
I don't know the man, o know very little about horse racing but do you think the outrage stems from the whole attitude to the horse rather than the attitude now its dead?
I just think it's very disrespectful. You wouldn't sit on your dead pet or relative. The horse wasn't necessarily his animal, probably owned by someone else and he trained it. It's just about conducting yourself respectfully at all times when working with animals, not treating an expensive animal that belongs to someone else like that.
Yeah I think its very disrespectful to the horse and I wouldn't do it to a relative or pet but I wouldn't force them over jumps with a whip in my hand when they were alive either. I can see why people are upset but how many of them have a bet on the big races I wonder."
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"people have expressed dismay at his actions. cultures warriors are then expressing outrage at people expressing dismay. "
And then along come those with the demonising labels.
I expect people to be sensitive and dismayed. I don't expect it to become a national day of mourning, which seems to happen every time someone farts and mentions it on social media.
I don't like the hypocrisy of people that aren't pro active about anything until they join in the faux outrage on social media.
The horse died. It was already dead.
His sitting on it did it no harm. It's not something people want to see but it actually did no harm to the horse.
What people are shouting about is that THEY have seen something they didn't want to acknowledge. The truths they are happy to ignore each and every day.
They aren't concerned about the horse. |
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Massive horse racing fan here so very mixed emotions for me.
Yes he made a big mistake I have made a few in my 54 years on this earth. The way he has handled things after though leaves a lot to be desired.
He seems to be using a bit of reverse psychology and trying to turn it around, very bad move.
He needs to build bridges within the racing industry to gain their respect back.
It's his livelihood at the end of the day, we've all made errors in our chosen careers.
There seems to be lots of bandwagon jumping going on kicking someone when they're down should be our new national sport, not Football.
I'm certainly not condoning his actions or defending him just being rational.
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"people have expressed dismay at his actions. cultures warriors are then expressing outrage at people expressing dismay.
And then along come those with the demonising labels.
I expect people to be sensitive and dismayed. I don't expect it to become a national day of mourning, which seems to happen every time someone farts and mentions it on social media.
I don't like the hypocrisy of people that aren't pro active about anything until they join in the faux outrage on social media.
The horse died. It was already dead.
His sitting on it did it no harm. It's not something people want to see but it actually did no harm to the horse.
What people are shouting about is that THEY have seen something they didn't want to acknowledge. The truths they are happy to ignore each and every day.
They aren't concerned about the horse. "
If you are saying I am a hypocrite then just say it Granny? |
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I'm not going to drone on about this, I've have posted my opinions elsewhere on social media.
Briefly however, the picture and the act are unacceptable and I have never come across a situation in racing where it would cross anyones' mind to make an attempt at humour in that scenario. That said, all accounts suggest that GE's care of his horses' welfare is generally exemplary. Whilst the act is undoubtedly worthy of punishment, the damage he has done to racing is massive. Unfortunately the only way to counter this is for him not to be training again in the future - imagine the reaction to him winning another Grand National.
This shouldn't, however, be taken as typical of racing yards - it absolutely isn't. The people I feel really sorry for are the staff - they genuinely love the horses that they look after and they are seeing them taken away whilst fearing for their jobs.
I'll hop down off my soapbox! |
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