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Actress sacked for beliefs

By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

BBC reporting that an actress who expressed her beliefs about homosexually on Facebook six years ago when she 20 was sacked from her acting role.

Is this fair/unfair?

A lesson for those on social media?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Social media should be sacked

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

Not the first.

She was taught in school every year about how to use the internet and social media property and warned of the dangers of misusing it. So her fault.

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By *imon_hydeMan over a year ago

Stockport

Can you give us some context Tom?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Views?

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By *andR510Couple over a year ago

St Neots/Wisbech

"Social media should be sacked

Is this not a form of social media ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Views?"

What if it had been an actress expressing her views about cock size?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

'An actress, sacked over a Facebook post on homosexuality, kept her "red line" of not playing gay characters "secret" from directors, a tribunal heard.

Seyi Omooba was cast as Celie in a musical production of The Color Purple at Leicester Curve Theatre in 2019.

The character is often shown as having a lesbian sexual orientation - the intended interpretation for the show.

But Ms Omooba, a devout Christian, said she was not informed of the production's take.

It was announced in March 2019 she would no longer be part of the musical after the old Facebook post resurfaced.'

www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-55911074

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Social media should be sacked

Is this not a form of social media ? "

Not really.

I view this as a swinging/sex/dating site.

I'm referring to the likes of Facebook, twitter and Instagram where the anonymity allows the spread of hate.

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By *assionatepoetsCouple over a year ago

Highbridge

Unless she was given the opportunity to state a change of heart she should go for unfair dismissal

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By *imon_hydeMan over a year ago

Stockport

"'An actress, sacked over a Facebook post on homosexuality, kept her "red line" of not playing gay characters "secret" from directors, a tribunal heard.

Seyi Omooba was cast as Celie in a musical production of The Color Purple at Leicester Curve Theatre in 2019.

The character is often shown as having a lesbian sexual orientation - the intended interpretation for the show.

But Ms Omooba, a devout Christian, said she was not informed of the production's take.

It was announced in March 2019 she would no longer be part of the musical after the old Facebook post resurfaced.'

www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-55911074"

Seems perfectly reasonable. What's the fuss?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's on BBC news on line. Sorry I can't find a link

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You're on fire this week Tom. Or is that just the news refocusing on the culture war after a brief respite?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

what exactly where these beliefs of hers for which she was sacked?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We all are responsible for what we say and what we do .

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

She should consider joining the 21st century.

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By *rder66Man over a year ago

Tatooine

As somebody whom has played a gay character in a play and works in theeatre and education I would say that if she went for the part in the first place, she should have wanted to explore the part in full. Regardless of her views, developing the character and exploring said character can help the actor look at their own belief structure. Part of the acting process is being true to the character.If she didn't agree with the character or the charaters place in the story, she should have let someone else go for the role.

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By *moothdickMan over a year ago

stoke

Typical attitude of the loony left and the thought police .. u conform or u will be removed ... but aren’t these the moral crusaders who demonstrate about comforming? Another case of do as I say ... I can’t use any stronger words incase I get smeared an isam... oh well, off to hell in a hand cart

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"We all are responsible for what we say and what we do . "

^ ^

Short,sweet and acknowledging that the responsibility ultimately lies with the person who has made a statement.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Typical attitude of the loony left and the thought police .. u conform or u will be removed ... but aren’t these the moral crusaders who demonstrate about comforming? Another case of do as I say ... I can’t use any stronger words incase I get smeared an isam... oh well, off to hell in a hand cart "

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

You've just said what I was about to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In nice and early with some incendiary language, just how Tom likes it.

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By *rder66Man over a year ago

Tatooine

I do not believe anybody gets sacked for believing whatever they choose to believe; they get sacked because of the public statements they make, which are potentially offensive and against the principles of modern society which tries to embrace diversity and tolerance."
I would also state that she may have been sacked for not commiting to the role as the director would want, therefor she was not right for the part. Regardless of her statements. If she is changing the character then that could have an effect on the the intentions of the performance and audience expectations.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We all are responsible for what we say and what we do . "

Exactly

I don't know anything about the story but what we say often has consequences- especially if you are spewing hate.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

In nice and early with some incendiary language, just how Tom likes it.

Shame on you Mooney

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman over a year ago

Victoria, London

It's usual to check someone's social media when you employ someone these days, along with the sites they belong to.

I remember a guy in my office, lovely guy, but he was a football fan, and his social media was anti semitic, so finally they sacked him.

So be careful Tom, someone is always watching you!

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Social media should be sacked

Is this not a form of social media ? "

Very much so

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People are entitled to their opinions and beliefs. However, this world isn't a place for bigotry or hatred, so if you think it's acceptable to air these views in public - be prepared to face the consequences

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

However, people can change their views and beliefs over time. If she has now changed her mind she shouldn't be penalised for past things she said.

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Travelling

Something somebody said, and the views they had years ago should not impact anything in the present - so long as their views have changed. Actions are a much more difficult subject to "forgive" and "ignore" happening, but ultimately if they regret and no longer support those actions they should not be truely vilified. It does not excuse what was done or said but it is what we want to happen, which is for things to change in a positive light.

Be it racist, homophobic, xenophobic or whatever other kind of ism, phobia, or ist you can think of.

If this woman still holds those views and they are not views that align with what the company holds as correct views then she should be removed from the part.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

And yet the irony is they canned for expressing an opinion. It seems only certain opinions are blessed with being tolerated... Whilst other views are not tolerated. Is that not paradoxical.?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The thing I don't understand is I have nothing against anyone so i don't feel the need to discriminate but i cant understand why people cant see that freedom of speech has been banished in this country.

You cant even speak to type without offending somebody.So why are these people surprised about certain people silencing others as they say we all should have rights x

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"It's usual to check someone's social media when you employ someone these days, along with the sites they belong to.

I remember a guy in my office, lovely guy, but he was a football fan, and his social media was anti semitic, so finally they sacked him.

So be careful Tom, someone is always watching you!"

I heed your comments..

Caveat emptor

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Something somebody said, and the views they had years ago should not impact anything in the present - so long as their views have changed. Actions are a much more difficult subject to "forgive" and "ignore" happening, but ultimately if they regret and no longer support those actions they should not be truely vilified. It does not excuse what was done or said but it is what we want to happen, which is for things to change in a positive light.

Be it racist, homophobic, xenophobic or whatever other kind of ism, phobia, or ist you can think of.

If this woman still holds those views and they are not views that align with what the company holds as correct views then she should be removed from the part. "

Well said. Totally agree.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

a quick look at the gay news gives more background than what has been quoted thus far on the thread. this happened a year ago. it appears that said actress was cast as a gay character from a well known best seller being performed as a musical. when the actresses thoughts on homosexuality were made public she made the director aware that she refused to play the part of a lesbian. she was offered the oppotunity to resign with full pay but refused. she was dismissed with the offer of full pay still open to this day. she seemingly has chosen to sue for unfair dismissal despite the offer of full pay still being open.

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By *icolerobbieCouple over a year ago

walsall

Maybe the director didn’t want to cast a straight actor playing a gay character in case social media blew up and calling out the director/producer for being a homophobe?

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By *icolerobbieCouple over a year ago

walsall

" a quick look at the gay news gives more background than what has been quoted thus far on the thread. this happened a year ago. it appears that said actress was cast as a gay character from a well known best seller being performed as a musical. when the actresses thoughts on homosexuality were made public she made the director aware that she refused to play the part of a lesbian. she was offered the oppotunity to resign with full pay but refused. she was dismissed with the offer of full pay still open to this day. she seemingly has chosen to sue for unfair dismissal despite the offer of full pay still being open."

Or this. She sounds like an idiot if this is true.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The thing I don't understand is I have nothing against anyone so i don't feel the need to discriminate but i cant understand why people cant see that freedom of speech has been banished in this country.

You cant even speak to type without offending somebody.So why are these people surprised about certain people silencing others as they say we all should have rights x "

I find this canard in equal parts nonsensical, absent any knowledge of the legal and social system in which we live, and incoherent.

Freedom of speech as a legal doctrine means the government cannot punish you for your speech. (all systems have exceptions to this)

It does not, per this talking point, mean that no one is allowed to respond or have an opinion. It also does not mean that there cannot be consequences for speech.

Additionally, what is offence if not a form of speech? Are people not allowed to respond?

Finally - these silenced people are incredibly noisy. I hear them everywhere. I thought silence - and indeed a lot of words - had pretty unambiguous meanings.

I give this cultural war meme 4/10 for plausibility and internal consistency. Try harder.

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Travelling

You cant even speak to type without offending somebody.So why are these people surprised about certain people silencing others as they say we all should have rights x "

Freedom of speech has always existed, generally unchanged. People are free to say and believe whatever they like, in whatever way that they like. Even if it offends somebody.

Freedom of speech has never been and never should be freedom of speech without consequence, or without being challenged.

If somebody says something offensive. To somebody else, they are well within every single right and freedom on this earth to do so.

On the flip side, the recipient of the insult is also well within their right to take a full power swing of a baseball bat to the insulting persons face multiple times.

Neither person is exempt from the consequences that will follow each of their actions.

You say something somebody finds offensive, then be ready to face consequences. Be it a smack across the face, the loss of a job, or jail time.

Freedom of speech exists. But like everything in this world it has consequences and reactions.

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

If this is what happened then it sounds like she applied for the part and then refused to fulfill her obligations so why shouldn't she be sacked

At the same time I dont like the idea that people's thoughts and opinions are constantly being policed. And there seems to be an endless stream of people more than willing to do the policing. Surely its better that people know her views so they can at least be challenged and maybe she would have the opportunity to see things differently

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

like the government ban on left thought in schools

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"like the government ban on left thought in schools

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Be it racist, homophobic, xenophobic or whatever other kind of ism, phobia, or ist you can think of.

If this woman still holds those views and they are not views that align with what the company holds as correct views then she should be removed from the part. "

Absolutely this

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

And yet the irony is they canned for expressing an opinion. It seems only certain opinions are blessed with being tolerated... Whilst other views are not tolerated. Is that not paradoxical.? "
I do not believe that this is, by and large, the case in the UK.

There are countries, unfortunately, where freedom of expression is not tolerated, or worse actively persecuted.

I think we are very fortunate to live in a country where, as I said by and large, we can freely express our thoughts.

Massive difference between freedom of expression of thoughts/ beliefs and encouraging or inciting the bullying of or violence against others though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If this is what happened then it sounds like she applied for the part and then refused to fulfill her obligations so why shouldn't she be sacked

I’d say the biggest problem is that she wasn’t prepared to play the role as directed. The actress was offered the role and choose not to play it as a lesbian, against direction. So failure to fulfil contract I would guess?

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By *ecadent_DevonMan over a year ago

Okehampton

Who has time to trawl through people’s past to find something that they once said, with the intention of being outraged or offended?

Fucking hell, the worlds going to hell in a handcart and the way we solve this is by saying “Sharon said Darren smells back in 1987”

Get

Life

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well the divide here is a total surprise! Why can't people ever meet down the middle on fab and respect people for being fellow humans? How on earth do we expect to progress otherwise?

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

If this is what happened then it sounds like she applied for the part and then refused to fulfill her obligations so why shouldn't she be sacked

Yes I think we're saying the same thing

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"the gay news" is that a thing? Every day's a school day.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

In nice and early with some incendiary language, just how Tom likes it.

I should add on a more compassionate note that I do not fear debating topics if I can learn and maybe help people reflect than that's it. As I often say to those who do not like my threads then there are plenty of others.. Tits out Tuesday and Stilleto Saturday spring to mind..

Fill your boots there if you excuse the pun...

I am not saying the lady was wrong or right but she was removed, not because she was accused of a hate crime or committed of an offence. She was removed because of comments she made on social media 6 years ago as a young lady. Not sure it's hate filled tho

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Shes 26 and should know better, she's not some geriatric stuck in her old ways who didn't grow up with the Internet.

Shes a homophobe and if people don't want to employ her because of that I don't see a problem.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"the gay news" is that a thing? Every day's a school day. "

There are sites offering news from every angle you can imagine. Gay press is not even remotely new. (Not a criticism, a statement)

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By *ecadent_DevonMan over a year ago

Okehampton

"the gay news" is that a thing? Every day's a school day. "

My “gay friend” Ruth hates the word “gay” being put in front of other words (like gay marriage, gay news, gay community). As she once told me, she didn’t wake up this morning in her gay bed in her gay house, get dressed into her gay clothes, get into her gay car and drive to her gay job where she enjoyed a gay lunch at 1pm

She got married, it was in the news, lots of people from her community were there. None of which needed the prefix “gay” to explain.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the court will decide wether she was dismissed due to her social media posts or because of her intention to refuse to play the part (which was only made known to the director after the social media posts were discovered and she was subsequently challenged over), not mr.digruntled from south east england

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"the gay news" is that a thing? Every day's a school day.

There are sites offering news from every angle you can imagine. Gay press is not even remotely new. (Not a criticism, a statement)"

I believe you, I haven't been out much lately (see what I did there?) I'm surprised... Having said that wouldn't it be a complete pisser to some if gay news was filled cover to cover with happy news stories... Now that would be a fine organ in these moribund times.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

She got married, it was in the news, lots of people from her community were there. None of which needed the prefix “gay” to explain. "

Beautifully put! When we stop feeling the need to prefix a person, that will be a day of celebration for me.

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Well the divide here is a total surprise! Why can't people ever meet down the middle on fab and respect people for being fellow humans? How on earth do we expect to progress otherwise?

Because the culture wars are intended to divide people. Its a game that we've all been invited to play that can never be won

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

If she couldn't act the role, it sounds like she was a poor choice to start with. Using terms related to mental health, that belong in the past, as you've done, shows poor choice, perhaps like herself for taking a non-heterosexual role and not giving her all to it

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

She got married, it was in the news, lots of people from her community were there. None of which needed the prefix “gay” to explain.

Beautifully put! When we stop feeling the need to prefix a person, that will be a day of celebration for me.

Well I was going to ask what makes gay news different to straight news? but thought better of it as I'd be slaughtered on here... Thank you for saying what I was going to.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"the gay news" is that a thing? Every day's a school day. "

Gay News used to be a free newspaper that served the LGBT community, until taken to court and convicted of blasphemy, which put it out of business, I think l. Funny how it's also related to Christian views

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"the gay news" is that a thing? Every day's a school day.

There are sites offering news from every angle you can imagine. Gay press is not even remotely new. (Not a criticism, a statement)

Lol

It tends to be stuff that concerns that community. Like, say, a news letter from a badger preservation society would be about badgers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is a very confusing thread and the topic seems a bit misleading. It appears to me that an actress got a part that required her to play a gay person and didn't want to do it so she lost the gig! Pretty daft to go into acting as a profession if you are not prepared to 'act' ffs.

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman over a year ago
Forum Mod

My Own Little World

I know a few people who don't use their full real name on social media for this reason.

Not because they are racist or homophobic, but because they realise that employers are more and more likely to check their future/employees SM, and they want to keep that side of their life separate from their work life.

We have all posted crap from time to time, but that doesn't always reflect who we are. I post stupid stuff for friends because I know it will appeal to them and I know they will see it there.

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

"'An actress, sacked over a Facebook post on homosexuality, kept her "red line" of not playing gay characters "secret" from directors, a tribunal heard.

Seyi Omooba was cast as Celie in a musical production of The Color Purple at Leicester Curve Theatre in 2019.

The character is often shown as having a lesbian sexual orientation - the intended interpretation for the show.

But Ms Omooba, a devout Christian, said she was not informed of the production's take.

It was announced in March 2019 she would no longer be part of the musical after the old Facebook post resurfaced.'

www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-55911074"

Based on what's written here I can't see why she has been removed from the production. It doesn't say she made any derogotary comments about gay people, only that she would not choose to play one. Why shouldn't she be allowed to make that choice?

If she doesn't want to do what the director wanted then it would make sense but that's not what it says.

I suspect there is more going on here than reported. Either she refused to do what was required in the role or the FB post was more sinister than the report suggests or something along those lines. Luke

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some really interesting comments on this thread. So not much to add apart from this. I’ve seen it in a lot of environments. If that girl was doing a great job this wouldn’t have happened as she was bringing something to the party. It sounds like she was rubbish and they needed a reason to get rid of her.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I stopped reading at loony left

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I know a few people who don't use their full real name on social media for this reason.

We have all posted crap from time to time, but that doesn't always reflect who we are. I post stupid stuff for friends because I know it will appeal to them and I know they will see it there. "

I use my full name because I don't spew homophobic bigotry on social media

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

An actor is acting a part, it's not them. Do people cast as Imperial Stormtroopers refuse, as they all believe in democracy? No, because it's just a role and we can separate it from life.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"An actor is acting a part, it's not them. Do people cast as Imperial Stormtroopers refuse, as they all believe in democracy? No, because it's just a role and we can separate it from life. "

But if either a) she refused to play the role as assigned (if I'm inferring correctly from discussion here) or b) she might damage the reputation of the company and/or production with her views, then presumably the position changes. (Watching your social media footprint is not in any way a new concept)

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By *tephTV67TV/TS over a year ago

Cheshire

I stopped reading at loony left"

So did I was waiting for the ‘snowflake’ to appear, surprisingly it didn’t

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I stopped reading at loony left

So did I was waiting for the ‘snowflake’ to appear, surprisingly it didn’t

It's amazing that people who throw these insults around are so oppressed by criticism and demand protection for their speech beyond anything anyone has ever had

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Free speech is free speech.

Tolerance is tolerance...

Not just tolerance of the things that support my beliefs. The opposite of that is intolerance.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS over a year ago

Cheshire

I stopped reading at loony left

So did I was waiting for the ‘snowflake’ to appear, surprisingly it didn’t

It's amazing that people who throw these insults around are so oppressed by criticism and demand protection for their speech beyond anything anyone has ever had

I always go back to Stewart Lee and his act about Political Correctness and confusing it with health and safety legislation.

Some want to be able to go back to the good old days of racially abusing, wolf whistling and back to the walls comments I mean it didn’t hurt anyone, did it ? You know sticks and stones

Me on a tangent as per usual

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I stopped reading at loony left

So did I was waiting for the ‘snowflake’ to appear, surprisingly it didn’t

It's amazing that people who throw these insults around are so oppressed by criticism and demand protection for their speech beyond anything anyone has ever had

They get annoyed at other people getting annoyed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I find it simple. What gives me the right to think that my opinion is fact. That is unbelievably arrogant. I have an opinion and so does everyone else but life isn’t about right or wrong it’s about compromise.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Free speech is free speech.

Tolerance is tolerance...

Not just tolerance of the things that support my beliefs. The opposite of that is intolerance. "

Free speech is a limited legal doctrine.

Tolerance is also necessarily limited - tolerating intolerance means the destruction of tolerance.

Neither of these things mean that people cannot disagree openly.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Nothing worse than liberal fascism, the intolerant left thumping their drums in the cause of tolerance..

When the right practice intolerance it's fascism..

When the left practice intolerance they call it activism..

Funny bunch us humans..

Truth is.. for every one lunatic on the extremes there are millions in the middle who just shake their heads and ignore these attention seeking Buffons

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Nothing worse than liberal fascism, the intolerant left thumping their drums in the cause of tolerance..

When the right practice intolerance it's fascism..

When the left practice intolerance they call it activism..

Funny bunch us humans..

Truth is.. for every one lunatic on the extremes there are millions in the middle who just shake their heads and ignore these attention seeking Buffons"

Ok, if you think so.

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By *os19Man over a year ago

Edmonton

I think with social media here to stay if we choose to have a social media account and choose to make certain comments then we have develop a thick skin and accept a backlash at times.Off course the easiest thing as I see it is don’t have a social media account and if you do have to have one don’t post anything controversial.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nothing worse than liberal fascism, the intolerant left thumping their drums in the cause of tolerance..

When the right practice intolerance it's fascism..

When the left practice intolerance they call it activism..

Funny bunch us humans..

Truth is.. for every one lunatic on the extremes there are millions in the middle who just shake their heads and ignore these attention seeking Buffons"

You contradict yourself a bit, people who have different beliefs to you are entitled to have them. Democracy is about that free speech. If they over step the Mark of decency then they have to be held accountable.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Nothing worse than liberal fascism, the intolerant left thumping their drums in the cause of tolerance..

When the right practice intolerance it's fascism..

When the left practice intolerance they call it activism..

Funny bunch us humans..

Truth is.. for every one lunatic on the extremes there are millions in the middle who just shake their heads and ignore these attention seeking Buffons

And who decides who holds them accountable.. the Law? The rules of service providers? Or the pitchfork waving group think moral panic merchants...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"BBC reporting that an actress who expressed her beliefs about homosexually on Facebook six years ago when she 20 was sacked from her acting role.

Is this fair/unfair?

A lesson for those on social media?

Depends. What we're the views and does she hold them now? I'm not sure I agree with blanket cancel culture for historical posts. It assumes no personal growth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nothing worse than liberal fascism, the intolerant left thumping their drums in the cause of tolerance..

When the right practice intolerance it's fascism..

When the left practice intolerance they call it activism..

Funny bunch us humans..

Truth is.. for every one lunatic on the extremes there are millions in the middle who just shake their heads and ignore these attention seeking Buffons

And who decides who holds them accountable.. the Law? The rules of service providers? Or the pitchfork waving group think moral panic merchants..."

Well I think that if we react to people doing bad things by doing the same things then it doesn’t solve anything. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Although I cannot answer who holds people accountable because life is complicated through education, religion, etc. It’s a chat we’re having and think we are saying similar things but we cannot fix it all.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Nothing worse than liberal fascism, the intolerant left thumping their drums in the cause of tolerance..

When the right practice intolerance it's fascism..

When the left practice intolerance they call it activism..

Funny bunch us humans..

Truth is.. for every one lunatic on the extremes there are millions in the middle who just shake their heads and ignore these attention seeking Buffons

And who decides who holds them accountable.. the Law? The rules of service providers? Or the pitchfork waving group think moral panic merchants...

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By *atchbewatchedMan over a year ago

Wakefield

It depends whether she was pushing her beliefs on others, or just expressing them. There's a difference.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"And who decides who holds them accountable.. the Law? The rules of service providers? Or the pitchfork waving group think moral panic merchants..."

you appear aggitated. you should relax

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Considering we live in a conservative country with a right wing media and press the 'left 'dont half have some influence apparently.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Considering we live in a conservative country with a right wing media and press the 'left 'dont half have some influence apparently. "

I would say our main broadcaster and a fair share of newspapers are left wing including the Tooting Popular Front Gazette

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Considering we live in a conservative country with a right wing media and press the 'left 'dont half have some influence apparently. "

I grew up being told Conservatives are bad and labour think about the common man. Left wing and right wing, I now think that being extreme on any level is toxic we have to find a way to make the majority of people happy. That means that everyone should compromise if it means a better place to live.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Considering we live in a conservative country with a right wing media and press the 'left 'dont half have some influence apparently. "

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Considering we live in a conservative country with a right wing media and press the 'left 'dont half have some influence apparently.

I would say our main broadcaster and a fair share of newspapers are left wing including the Tooting Popular Front Gazette "

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Considering we live in a conservative country with a right wing media and press the 'left 'dont half have some influence apparently.

The country has moved that far to the right that people think than an increase in the minimum wage is marxist now.

I'm getting off topic and Thomas will be peeved so I'll shut up now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In nice and early with some incendiary language, just how Tom likes it.

Fill your boots there if you excuse the pun...

Tom, in the friendliest way I can possibly express this; you do court topics that cause controversy. Often simplifying something you've seen or read into a few words that cause an emotional response and further emotive language before the truth of the story has emerged.

I'm not saying it's wrong as such, though I think it's a little unfair at times, but I am saying you positively encourage divisive language and polarised positions which often cause upset.

You said caveat emptor earlier so I believe you're saying this is how my threads are deal with it or leave.

So in conclusion when I say "just how Tom likes it" it's because I think you like a fight (particularly a culture war one) rather than a conversation. It certainly appears that way.

I mean no insult in any of this. I hope that comes across.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"the gay news" is that a thing? Every day's a school day.

Thank you Sophie! I thought I remembered it as a real thing. Also Pink News.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"She should consider joining the 21st century. "

Not compatible with false belief systems created millennia ago, unfortunately.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

In nice and early with some incendiary language, just how Tom likes it.

Fill your boots there if you excuse the pun...

I'm not saying it's wrong as such, though I think it's a little unfair at times, but I am saying you positively encourage divisive language and polarised positions which often cause upset.

You said caveat emptor earlier so I believe you're saying this is how my threads are deal with it or leave.

So in conclusion when I say "just how Tom likes it" it's because I think you like a fight (particularly a culture war one) rather than a conversation. It certainly appears that way.

I mean no insult in any of this. I hope that comes across."

Nicely put thank you.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"I find it simple. What gives me the right to think that my opinion is fact. That is unbelievably arrogant. I have an opinion and so does everyone else but life isn’t about right or wrong it’s about compromise. "

You sir are a wise man

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Free speech is free speech.

Tolerance is tolerance...

Not just tolerance of the things that support my beliefs. The opposite of that is intolerance.

Free speech is a limited legal doctrine.

Tolerance is also necessarily limited - tolerating intolerance means the destruction of tolerance.

Neither of these things mean that people cannot disagree openly."

And if that's true... Then we need to stop using the phrases free speech and tolerance because apparently in our society they don't mean either. And if that is generally accepted I'm OK with that. What I can't abide is the hypocrisy of people who profess to be tolerant and upholders of freedom of expression. But as soon as someone says something which is outside of their belief systems they suddenly become advocates of limiting other peoples freedom to express themselves

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS over a year ago

west here ford shire

The days when one can freely speak by on any subject in this great country, have sadly, long since passed..

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"The days when one can freely speak by on any subject in this great country, have sadly, long since passed..

Do you truly believe that?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Free speech is free speech.

Tolerance is tolerance...

Not just tolerance of the things that support my beliefs. The opposite of that is intolerance.

Free speech is a limited legal doctrine.

Tolerance is also necessarily limited - tolerating intolerance means the destruction of tolerance.

Neither of these things mean that people cannot disagree openly.

I think the meanings of terms have been twisted.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The days when one can freely speak by on any subject in this great country, have sadly, long since passed..

Do you truly believe that? "

Yep .. exactly this

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Free speech is free speech.

Tolerance is tolerance...

Not just tolerance of the things that support my beliefs. The opposite of that is intolerance.

Free speech is a limited legal doctrine.

Tolerance is also necessarily limited - tolerating intolerance means the destruction of tolerance.

Neither of these things mean that people cannot disagree openly.

I think the meanings of terms have been twisted. "

Agreed .. by the intolerant left mainly

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Free speech is free speech.

Tolerance is tolerance...

Not just tolerance of the things that support my beliefs. The opposite of that is intolerance.

Free speech is a limited legal doctrine.

Tolerance is also necessarily limited - tolerating intolerance means the destruction of tolerance.

Neither of these things mean that people cannot disagree openly.

People generally don’t understand what freedom of speech / expression means, it doesn’t mean you can say anything, it carries duties and responsibilities and has restrictions to protect the rights of others

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I read that story yesterday on the BBC app.

It wasn't anything to do with a Facebook post she made.

She refused to play the part, because she didn't realise that she was portraying a lesbian. She is against Lesbians. She quit the role but is now claiming she was dismissed because of her beliefs.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Free speech is free speech.

Tolerance is tolerance...

Not just tolerance of the things that support my beliefs. The opposite of that is intolerance.

Free speech is a limited legal doctrine.

Tolerance is also necessarily limited - tolerating intolerance means the destruction of tolerance.

Neither of these things mean that people cannot disagree openly.

I think the meanings of terms have been twisted.

Agreed .. by the intolerant left mainly"

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By *otPrinceHarryMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Woman who refuses to play a lesbian is sacked from role playing a lesbian when producers find out she won't play a lesbian."

I notice Tom, that you skipped the reason that this is in the news again- that she is suing the producers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good on her for sticking to her beliefs

most of the women on her are partially homophobic (they won't go with a bi guy)

in my opinion thats homophobic

I bet the same women are on here berating her

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

""Woman who refuses to play a lesbian is sacked from role playing a lesbian when producers find out she won't play a lesbian."

I notice Tom, that you skipped the reason that this is in the news again- that she is suing the producers."

Woman who is hired to do a job refuses to do her job as required and tries to sue over it.

Oh no. How intolerant of employers to expect people to do their jobs.

Another case of the virtue signalling snowflake right wing demanding that rules don't apply to them.

How... unexpected.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

they actually said they would still pay her despite her not doing the work she had been hired to do

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"they actually said they would still pay her despite her not doing the work she had been hired to do"

Oh crikey honey take the money and run, Jesus

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

""Woman who refuses to play a lesbian is sacked from role playing a lesbian when producers find out she won't play a lesbian."

I notice Tom, that you skipped the reason that this is in the news again- that she is suing the producers.

Woman who is hired to do a job refuses to do her job as required and tries to sue over it.

Oh no. How intolerant of employers to expect people to do their jobs.

Another case of the virtue signalling snowflake right wing demanding that rules don't apply to them.

How... unexpected."

Right wing to have religious convictions.. ?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Apparently my threads are controversial..

My offer...

Straw poll.. ends by midnight..

Carry on posting or silent for 28 days..

You choose ...

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By *tephTV67TV/TS over a year ago

Cheshire

""Woman who refuses to play a lesbian is sacked from role playing a lesbian when producers find out she won't play a lesbian."

I notice Tom, that you skipped the reason that this is in the news again- that she is suing the producers.

Woman who is hired to do a job refuses to do her job as required and tries to sue over it.

Oh no. How intolerant of employers to expect people to do their jobs.

Another case of the virtue signalling snowflake right wing demanding that rules don't apply to them.

How... unexpected."

snowflake right wing wankers ...you forgot the wankers bit

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

""Woman who refuses to play a lesbian is sacked from role playing a lesbian when producers find out she won't play a lesbian."

I notice Tom, that you skipped the reason that this is in the news again- that she is suing the producers.

Woman who is hired to do a job refuses to do her job as required and tries to sue over it.

Oh no. How intolerant of employers to expect people to do their jobs.

Another case of the virtue signalling snowflake right wing demanding that rules don't apply to them.

How... unexpected.

snowflake right wing wankers ...you forgot the wankers bit

I don't need the mental image ta

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

She's supposed to be a professional actor: if she's going to be insisting on roles that she approves of or that are not in conflict with her supposedly religious beliefs, she's going to find her career hard going for the next few years.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Free speech is free speech.

Tolerance is tolerance...

Not just tolerance of the things that support my beliefs. The opposite of that is intolerance.

Free speech is a limited legal doctrine.

Tolerance is also necessarily limited - tolerating intolerance means the destruction of tolerance.

Neither of these things mean that people cannot disagree openly.

Interesting. So "protects the rights of others". But who and what determines "the others" and the rights that are protected. Its a bit like the notion that we can't restrict or regulate the press because otherwise they wouldn't be a free press. So they have resisted at all turns any restrictions. You're free to say what you want as long as someone somewhere at sometime has decided on that freedom... Which by definition is not free and as inaswing has said many times ... Its not free at all...

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

if the right to free speech in the uk exists, then which law in particular grants that right please?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"if the right to free speech in the uk exists, then which law in particular grants that right please?"

It's the opposite of a Bill of Rights here...

If it's not restricted by law then it's legal..

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

The clock is ticking folks...

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

if it's not enshrined in law, then it isn't a right.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"if the right to free speech in the uk exists, then which law in particular grants that right please?"

I don't think laws are written specifically to allow things... I think by definition laws exist to define more clearly that which we are not allowed to do. Where as in America the constition provides for certain inaliable rights... So the first amendment so provides... In the UK, Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998, “everyone has the right to freedom of expression” in the UK. But the law states that this freedom “may be subject to formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society”.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"if the right to free speech in the uk exists, then which law in particular grants that right please?

is that a guess?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"if the right to free speech in the uk exists, then which law in particular grants that right please?

is that a guess?"

No that's the truth

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By *he MuffinmanMan over a year ago

West Gloucestershire

"what exactly where these beliefs of hers for which she was sacked?

From what I gather from the link she's a devout Christian..... So religious beliefs I guess

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"if the right to free speech in the uk exists, then which law in particular grants that right please?

is that a guess?

No that's the truth "

you've now made it a supposition

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

[Removed by poster at 05/02/21 21:58:35]

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"if the right to free speech in the uk exists, then which law in particular grants that right please?

is that a guess?

No that's the truth

you've now made it a supposition"

Stated as it is...

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By *he MuffinmanMan over a year ago

West Gloucestershire

"BBC reporting that an actress who expressed her beliefs about homosexually on Facebook six years ago when she 20 was sacked from her acting role.

Is this fair/unfair?

A lesson for those on social media?

It seems that she is a devout Christian so this would be her religious beliefs. So BBC may be on dodgy ground here for sacking someone because of her religious beliefs. I presume if she was another religion other than Christian then a different take on it from the BBC would be taken on her beliefs??

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Couple of ancient exceptions..

Habeus corpus...

One other perhaps but rarely discussed ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Similar what happened to Glenn Hoddle.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"BBC reporting that an actress who expressed her beliefs about homosexually on Facebook six years ago when she 20 was sacked from her acting role.

Is this fair/unfair?

A lesson for those on social media?

The BBC never employed her.. nothing to do with the ,BBC

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"Stated as it is..."

.... wild surmise, i gree. you should relax instead of being so aggitated

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Similar what happened to Glenn Hoddle."

He was a good England manager..

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By *otPrinceHarryMan over a year ago

Glasgow

""Woman who refuses to play a lesbian is sacked from role playing a lesbian when producers find out she won't play a lesbian."

I notice Tom, that you skipped the reason that this is in the news again- that she is suing the producers.

Woman who is hired to do a job refuses to do her job as required and tries to sue over it.

Oh no. How intolerant of employers to expect people to do their jobs.

Another case of the virtue signalling snowflake right wing demanding that rules don't apply to them.

How... unexpected."

Extraordinary, isn't it? I'm sure Tom thinks that the Wisconsin pharmacist who destroyed 100s of vaccine doses was just exercising the first amendment, or suchlike.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Similar what happened to Glenn Hoddle.

He was a good England manager.."

At a good time for England.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Similar what happened to Glenn Hoddle."

When he insulted disabled people?

I know pc gone mad

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Similar what happened to Glenn Hoddle.

When he insulted disabled people?

I know pc gone mad

He spoke from a religious perspective I guess

The ultate clash of ideologies.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Wouldn't the world be more peaceful if everyone thought alike...

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

""Woman who refuses to play a lesbian is sacked from role playing a lesbian when producers find out she won't play a lesbian."

I notice Tom, that you skipped the reason that this is in the news again- that she is suing the producers.

Woman who is hired to do a job refuses to do her job as required and tries to sue over it.

Oh no. How intolerant of employers to expect people to do their jobs.

Another case of the virtue signalling snowflake right wing demanding that rules don't apply to them.

How... unexpected.

Extraordinary, isn't it? I'm sure Tom thinks that the Wisconsin pharmacist who destroyed 100s of vaccine doses was just exercising the first amendment, or suchlike."

Why can't we all just get along by letting people not do their jobs, destroy medicine, etc etc etc. Yay

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By *otPrinceHarryMan over a year ago

Glasgow

""Woman who refuses to play a lesbian is sacked from role playing a lesbian when producers find out she won't play a lesbian."

I notice Tom, that you skipped the reason that this is in the news again- that she is suing the producers.

Woman who is hired to do a job refuses to do her job as required and tries to sue over it.

Oh no. How intolerant of employers to expect people to do their jobs.

Another case of the virtue signalling snowflake right wing demanding that rules don't apply to them.

How... unexpected.

Extraordinary, isn't it? I'm sure Tom thinks that the Wisconsin pharmacist who destroyed 100s of vaccine doses was just exercising the first amendment, or suchlike.

Why can't we all just get along by letting people not do their jobs, destroy medicine, etc etc etc. Yay

"I'm sick of the bias of the MSM! Why does the Sky At Night never give airtime to flat-earthers! Some of us don'[t buy into the gravity con!"

A few years ago, I'd have been hailed as a brilliant satarist for coming up with such a sentence.

Pop has eaten itself, and is dead.

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By *ete le MeatMan over a year ago

Derbyshire/ Notts

Unfair. This is allowed to happen yet Rita Ora is allowed to continue working on The Masked Singer.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Unfair. This is allowed to happen yet Rita Ora is allowed to continue working on The Masked Singer."

Great point

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

""Woman who refuses to play a lesbian is sacked from role playing a lesbian when producers find out she won't play a lesbian."

I notice Tom, that you skipped the reason that this is in the news again- that she is suing the producers.

Woman who is hired to do a job refuses to do her job as required and tries to sue over it.

Oh no. How intolerant of employers to expect people to do their jobs.

Another case of the virtue signalling snowflake right wing demanding that rules don't apply to them.

How... unexpected.

Extraordinary, isn't it? I'm sure Tom thinks that the Wisconsin pharmacist who destroyed 100s of vaccine doses was just exercising the first amendment, or suchlike.

Why can't we all just get along by letting people not do their jobs, destroy medicine, etc etc etc. Yay

"I'm sick of the bias of the MSM! Why does the Sky At Night never give airtime to flat-earthers! Some of us don'[t buy into the gravity con!"

A few years ago, I'd have been hailed as a brilliant satarist for coming up with such a sentence.

Pop has eaten itself, and is dead."

Mmhm

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

So some good debate but back to the op...

Was she sacked for her beliefs and the BBC accurately reported the story and tagged it with the correct headline. Or...

Was she sacked for other reasons which were fair but the BBC reported it and headlined it to meet its editorial demands of click bait and stirring up feelings against those with religious convictions.

Or was she sacked for other reasons which were unfair and the BBC have completely misrepresented the story and its headline?

Or in other news....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Unfair. This is allowed to happen yet Rita Ora is allowed to continue working on The Masked Singer."

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

she appears to be the usual selfish sort who seems to identify with the fashion to be a paranoid culture warrior intent on waging war on some kind of fantasy enemy. the truth appears to be more akin to her being unable to do a job which she was hired for, that resulted in her employment being terminated with full pay. the courts will ultimately decide, but who knows how much taxpayers money and court time will be wasted by her self-centred stubborness

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"she appears to be the usual selfish sort who seems to identify with the fashion to be a paranoid culture warrior intent on waging war on some kind of fantasy enemy. the truth appears to be more akin to her being unable to do a job which she was hired for, that resulted in her employment being terminated with full pay. the courts will ultimately decide, but who knows how much taxpayers money and court time will be wasted by her self-centred stubborness "

Ahh her Andy warhol 15 minutes of fame. If she can't be famous for her acting she can be famous for her warrior like stance against injustice. Allegedly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Apparently my threads are controversial..

My offer...

Straw poll.. ends by midnight..

Carry on posting or silent for 28 days..

You choose ..."

I told ya. You love it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As I said last night... "you can't say anything nowadays". I've said it on Twitter, Facebook, LBC phone ins, when I was in the audience for Question Time, in the comments section of The Daily Mail (in fact several of their columnists had already said it), in the letters page of The Sun, Jeremy Clarkson's column in The Times said it, so did Nigel Farage and Richard Littlejohn, several politicians said it on the One Show and Have I Got News For You, I've said it on the Forums here and to all my mates down the pub and they all agree "you can't say anything nowadays".

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"As I said last night... "you can't say anything nowadays". I've said it on Twitter, Facebook, LBC phone ins, when I was in the audience for Question Time, in the comments section of The Daily Mail (in fact several of their columnists had already said it), in the letters page of The Sun, Jeremy Clarkson's column in The Times said it, so did Nigel Farage and Richard Littlejohn, several politicians said it on the One Show and Have I Got News For You, I've said it on the Forums here and to all my mates down the pub and they all agree "you can't say anything nowadays"."

No book deal? No television series?

You've been censored!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No book deal? No television series?

You've been censored!"

Cancel culture. Bloody lefties.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

No book deal? No television series?

You've been censored!"

An example : While I don't personal take offense at being referred to as a "looney leftie" (I am not!) I do believe this type of reference is unhelpful in any dialogue.

I really do think we have a huge amount of freedom to say what we think and feel. We can express opinions, but we should be respectful and mindful not to upset other people in the process.

What we are not entitled to do includes bullying, inciting hatred and violence and encouraging discrimination.

We need to start seeing the humanity in other people, not their individual attributed, perhaps.

To me that sounds quite reasonable.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

No book deal? No television series?

You've been censored!

An example : While I don't personal take offense at being referred to as a "looney leftie" (I am not!) I do believe this type of reference is unhelpful in any dialogue.

I really do think we have a huge amount of freedom to say what we think and feel. We can express opinions, but we should be respectful and mindful not to upset other people in the process.

What we are not entitled to do includes bullying, inciting hatred and violence and encouraging discrimination.

We need to start seeing the humanity in other people, not their individual attributed, perhaps.

To me that sounds quite reasonable. "

Some people take criticism or lack of chosen platform as censorship. It's a nonsense.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

No book deal? No television series?

You've been censored!

An example : While I don't personal take offense at being referred to as a "looney leftie" (I am not!) I do believe this type of reference is unhelpful in any dialogue.

I really do think we have a huge amount of freedom to say what we think and feel. We can express opinions, but we should be respectful and mindful not to upset other people in the process.

What we are not entitled to do includes bullying, inciting hatred and violence and encouraging discrimination.

We need to start seeing the humanity in other people, not their individual attributed, perhaps.

To me that sounds quite reasonable. "

That's a great way of expressing it. For me the issue then becomes how someone choose to define bullying and discrimination and when the writer and the reader have different perceptions of said definitions. We should defend the right to have robust exchanges which may very well be taken for offence by some people but challenge and ultimately through informed argument arrive at a higher outcome. We can't be limited to only say things which nobody finds offence in.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

No book deal? No television series?

You've been censored!

An example : While I don't personal take offense at being referred to as a "looney leftie" (I am not!) I do believe this type of reference is unhelpful in any dialogue.

I really do think we have a huge amount of freedom to say what we think and feel. We can express opinions, but we should be respectful and mindful not to upset other people in the process.

What we are not entitled to do includes bullying, inciting hatred and violence and encouraging discrimination.

We need to start seeing the humanity in other people, not their individual attributed, perhaps.

To me that sounds quite reasonable.

I completely agree with you -echo chambers are so unhelpful in a debate! Robust debates are necessary to explore opportunities and possibilities in any area - from healthcare, industry, politics etc.

We have seen how stifling intolerance and echo chambers can become, how dangerous as well: Nazi Germany, Trumpism... etc.

Another thought on this : language is such a powerful tool to shape and influence creative thinking but, like any tool, it can also be abused to manipulate.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Some people percieve any disagreement with their views as bullying.. sadly

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

No book deal? No television series?

You've been censored!

An example : While I don't personal take offense at being referred to as a "looney leftie" (I am not!) I do believe this type of reference is unhelpful in any dialogue.

I really do think we have a huge amount of freedom to say what we think and feel. We can express opinions, but we should be respectful and mindful not to upset other people in the process.

What we are not entitled to do includes bullying, inciting hatred and violence and encouraging discrimination.

We need to start seeing the humanity in other people, not their individual attributed, perhaps.

To me that sounds quite reasonable.

Some people take criticism or lack of chosen platform as censorship. It's a nonsense."

And there's an example... Its a nonsense... And it may be to you.. And yet to someone else it may be of significance. And when it works well its a powerful thing but debate and exchanges seem to have lost their way a little thanks to the tribalism amongst other things. Take bullying as another which is neither black or white... If I feel I am being bullied... Then I feel I am being bullied.. And that could be because of the transactions I've experienced or events in my life or mental illness or my history or because I'm feeling flakey... There is nuance in everything and we can choose to adapt our methods to meet them or not.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

No book deal? No television series?

You've been censored!

An example : While I don't personal take offense at being referred to as a "looney leftie" (I am not!) I do believe this type of reference is unhelpful in any dialogue.

I really do think we have a huge amount of freedom to say what we think and feel. We can express opinions, but we should be respectful and mindful not to upset other people in the process.

What we are not entitled to do includes bullying, inciting hatred and violence and encouraging discrimination.

We need to start seeing the humanity in other people, not their individual attributed, perhaps.

To me that sounds quite reasonable.

Some people take criticism or lack of chosen platform as censorship. It's a nonsense.

Or in this case not. Sometimes nonsense is just nonsense.

You are not entitled to a platform of your choice. No one is. Screaming about censorship and tyranny because you don't get the platform and audience you want is simply entitled. It's a tactic and it should be called out.

In fact tribal might be "you should respect the views of people broadcasting that they've been censored. Their truth matters too".

Afraid not.

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

Am I reading this correctly?

Someone applies for a specific role and gets the job.

Then refuses to do the job.

Is given a chance to quit on full pay but declines.

Is sacked, on full pay.

Now suing for unfair dismissal.

But somehow she's in the right?

If that's truly the bare bones of it I'd say she hasn't got a leg to stand on.

I've always researched a job before applying and never interviewed for a job I knew I couldn't do.

I'm off for a lay down.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Am I reading this correctly?

Someone applies for a specific role and gets the job.

Then refuses to do the job.

Is given a chance to quit on full pay but declines.

Is sacked, on full pay.

Now suing for unfair dismissal.

But somehow she's in the right?

If that's truly the bare bones of it I'd say she hasn't got a leg to stand on.

I've always researched a job before applying and never interviewed for a job I knew I couldn't do.

I'm off for a lay down.

Disabled as well?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Social media should be sacked

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To add a bit more context to this (and I'll keep it brief)

She was offered and accepted the part and then a fellow actor brought up the post from Facebook. Basically asking for an explanation of her post as she was now playing an LGBTQ character. Her post was that homosexuality was not right and you're not born gay (begs the question are you born straight).

The theatre gave her chance to amend her original statement but she refused and continued to stand by it.

During the case the following has transpired:

She hadn't read the script

Hadn't read the book

Hadn't seen the film (although her defence tried to use the film as the definitive version)

Didn't tell her agent she wouldn't accept "gay" roles

Would have refused to play the part, which would have probably to the cancellation of the whole production

Had already appeared in the show as another character but denied being in that production (even though there are of course photos)

Personally I'd say she's just very unprofessional. Have beliefs and opinions but when you get called out then there will be consequences.

I'd say she's also picked the wrong industry to be in if she has an issue with people's sexuality.

This just seems like greed, which by the way is being backed by her dad's church who are footing the legal costs. A guy who has been linked to gay conversion therapy so sounds pretty clear homophobia runs in the family.

I'm not sure how you defend any of that.

BTW that was my version of brief

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To add a bit more context to this (and I'll keep it brief)

The theatre gave her chance to amend her original statement but she refused and continued to stand by it.

During the case the following has transpired:

She hadn't read the script

Hadn't read the book

Hadn't seen the film (although her defence tried to use the film as the definitive version)

Didn't tell her agent she wouldn't accept "gay" roles

Would have refused to play the part, which would have probably to the cancellation of the whole production

Had already appeared in the show as another character but denied being in that production (even though there are of course photos)

Personally I'd say she's just very unprofessional. Have beliefs and opinions but when you get called out then there will be consequences.

I'd say she's also picked the wrong industry to be in if she has an issue with people's sexuality.

I'm not sure how you defend any of that.

BTW that was my version of brief

So not only is she a homophobe, she's also an idiot, case closed

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Persecution = waaaah they think the rules apply to me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

pretty easy really, if you’re “famous” or just on TV, don’t have dumb ignorant views no one on the internet honestly cares, just respect people for who they are & if you disagree, just move on with your life it’s as simple as that

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

"To add a bit more context to this (and I'll keep it brief)

The theatre gave her chance to amend her original statement but she refused and continued to stand by it.

During the case the following has transpired:

She hadn't read the script

Hadn't read the book

Hadn't seen the film (although her defence tried to use the film as the definitive version)

Didn't tell her agent she wouldn't accept "gay" roles

Would have refused to play the part, which would have probably to the cancellation of the whole production

Had already appeared in the show as another character but denied being in that production (even though there are of course photos)

Personally I'd say she's just very unprofessional. Have beliefs and opinions but when you get called out then there will be consequences.

I'd say she's also picked the wrong industry to be in if she has an issue with people's sexuality.

I'm not sure how you defend any of that.

BTW that was my version of brief

As well as unprofessional add stupid.

If you don't know the role, research it before you apply.

If you've already appeared in the production it's pretty hard to day you don't know what it's about.

Also hard to claim you weren't in it when there are pictures and presumably name credits and performance payments.

She sounds more dumb than rock.

Who in their right mind would consider her for a role in the future?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"To add a bit more context to this (and I'll keep it brief)

The theatre gave her chance to amend her original statement but she refused and continued to stand by it.

During the case the following has transpired:

She hadn't read the script

Hadn't read the book

Hadn't seen the film (although her defence tried to use the film as the definitive version)

Didn't tell her agent she wouldn't accept "gay" roles

Would have refused to play the part, which would have probably to the cancellation of the whole production

Had already appeared in the show as another character but denied being in that production (even though there are of course photos)

Personally I'd say she's just very unprofessional. Have beliefs and opinions but when you get called out then there will be consequences.

I'd say she's also picked the wrong industry to be in if she has an issue with people's sexuality.

I'm not sure how you defend any of that.

BTW that was my version of brief

As well as unprofessional add stupid.

If you don't know the role, research it before you apply.

If you've already appeared in the production it's pretty hard to day you don't know what it's about.

Also hard to claim you weren't in it when there are pictures and presumably name credits and performance payments.

She sounds more dumb than rock.

Who in their right mind would consider her for a role in the future?

What I know about acting and production could be written on a very tiny thing... But..

It seems casting and acting is about more than who can act and do a compelling job and as much, or in some cases more so about a persons religion, beliefs, politics, colour, sexual orientation and behaviours and if they are prepared to apologise for any perceived prior transgressions now with the miracle of hindsight.

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

Option 1; I apologise for something I said 20 years ago, I accept those views are not appropriate in today's society, these are not the views I hold today. Keep the job, do it well, everyone's happy.

Option 2; Nope, I don't apologise, they're still my views, yes I knew what the role required, I knew it wasn't compatible with my beliefs, but I applied anyway, got the job, then refused to do it, was offered reasonable compensation which I refused, was sacked and now want a big sack of money because I'm being victimised, even though it's actually my screw up.

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