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over a year ago
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"Reports coming in that Extinction Rebellion is for white privileged middle aged people and there is not enough diversity in its numbers..
Is this an example of institutional racism..
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They all looked pretty young to me. The tube trains looked like a rave had just finished. Till I realised they were all wearing X t shirts. |
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It isn’t for white middle agers, they don’t block access to anyone.
The question you should be asking is why aren’t non-white lower class people attracted to extinction rebellion or the causes they fight for?
Are they too busy dealing with racial issues and making ends meet or is there another reason? |
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"It isn’t for white middle agers, they don’t block access to anyone.
The question you should be asking is why aren’t non-white lower class people attracted to extinction rebellion or the causes they fight for?
Are they too busy dealing with racial issues and making ends meet or is there another reason?"
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"It isn’t for white middle agers, they don’t block access to anyone.
The question you should be asking is why aren’t non-white lower class people attracted to extinction rebellion or the causes they fight for?
Are they too busy dealing with racial issues and making ends meet or is there another reason?"
Because by and large they have no “skin in the game” they don’t own a horse, paddleboard, velocipede or hiking socks or they have very limited access to the very thing (the environment) they are being asked to care about, it is abstract to them.
Whether limited/no access to the environment is because of systemic/institutional racism or cultural preference is a matter for debate, many ethnic minorities live in large sprawling urban areas as that is where previous generations had to live to earn a wage and put food on the table.
This is of course a generalisation, but I think it is fair to say that most young people (regardless of colour) growing up in challenging urban communities have very little affinity to the environment. That isn’t their fault, that is societies fault. |
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"The media and some people really do like to treat us “ethnic minorities” like we are a completely different species. "
If that was aimed at me I apologise if I caused offence, it was not my intention to belittle or marginalise, it is challenging to know how to discuss different racial groups without causing offence and I am always willing to learn to better articulate myself.
I genuinely believe that for people to value something they have to see the value or benefit for them (regardless of colour or background) on a real and practical level and I think that people (again regardless of ethnicity) who grow up in deprived areas with limited access to the environment and its services struggle to see the individual value.
Again it’s a generalisation, but I grew up in the city, in a deprived area and I never really consider the benefits of the environment outside of that urban space, experience and (obviously) moving have helped me understand what is “in it for me” but I have been lucky. |
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"Reports coming in that Extinction Rebellion is for white privileged middle aged people and there is not enough diversity in its numbers..
Is this an example of institutional racism..
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I would say it's a last ditch effort to discredit the organisation,,
With who's in charge at no10, its a case of the Truth is what they Tell you it is,,, and most swallow those bricks willingly. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Reports coming in that Extinction Rebellion is for white privileged middle aged people and there is not enough diversity in its numbers..
Is this an example of institutional racism..
I would say it's a last ditch effort to discredit the organisation,,
With who's in charge at no10, its a case of the Truth is what they Tell you it is,,, and most swallow those bricks willingly. "
Those comments about diversity come from within the organisation.. I don't think that it is about discrediting them but growing their membership.. they mention white privilege as a factor...
Now I am not the sharpest pencil in the case but that goes over my head... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The media and some people really do like to treat us “ethnic minorities” like we are a completely different species.
If that was aimed at me I apologise if I caused offence, it was not my intention to belittle or marginalise, it is challenging to know how to discuss different racial groups without causing offence and I am always willing to learn to better articulate myself.
I genuinely believe that for people to value something they have to see the value or benefit for them (regardless of colour or background) on a real and practical level and I think that people (again regardless of ethnicity) who grow up in deprived areas with limited access to the environment and its services struggle to see the individual value.
Again it’s a generalisation, but I grew up in the city, in a deprived area and I never really consider the benefits of the environment outside of that urban space, experience and (obviously) moving have helped me understand what is “in it for me” but I have been lucky. "
I’m not sure why you’d think it was aimed at you? It wasn’t at all. :D
In recent times the media especially tend to treat us like we aren’t human, like we need “special” things or “special” safe spaces.
It doesn’t help, it’s patronising, offensive and upsetting. I was commenting as a whole as I’m sick of the news being about race! I’m also sick of reading and seeing straight white males being bashed all the time for daring to exist. 
I should’ve made it more clear I guess!  |
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"The media and some people really do like to treat us “ethnic minorities” like we are a completely different species.
If that was aimed at me I apologise if I caused offence, it was not my intention to belittle or marginalise, it is challenging to know how to discuss different racial groups without causing offence and I am always willing to learn to better articulate myself.
I genuinely believe that for people to value something they have to see the value or benefit for them (regardless of colour or background) on a real and practical level and I think that people (again regardless of ethnicity) who grow up in deprived areas with limited access to the environment and its services struggle to see the individual value.
Again it’s a generalisation, but I grew up in the city, in a deprived area and I never really consider the benefits of the environment outside of that urban space, experience and (obviously) moving have helped me understand what is “in it for me” but I have been lucky.
I’m not sure why you’d think it was aimed at you? It wasn’t at all. :D
In recent times the media especially tend to treat us like we aren’t human, like we need “special” things or “special” safe spaces.
It doesn’t help, it’s patronising, offensive and upsetting. I was commenting as a whole as I’m sick of the news being about race! I’m also sick of reading and seeing straight white males being bashed all the time for daring to exist.
I should’ve made it more clear I guess! "
It’s cool honestly, I was mortified to think I had offended anyone, I stand corrected. I truly believe that “valuation of the environment” is not a race issue but an access issue. I grew up with a row of brick garages as a view, I never felt remotely “connected” to the environment. Of course like all kids I loved nature programmes and seeing the wider world on TV, but was often baffled why people far away cutting down rainforest affected me.
Education happens and we learn that we are all part of a system, that what we consume in one place has often led to the destruction of another.
I think if XR what to “diversify” then they must first understand the barriers within their social grouping. I find them dictatorial, belligerent and often times, as individuals, unaffected by the very real challenges that “normal” people face on a daily basis. It’s very hard to care about the future of the planet when you are hyper aware of feeding your kids, paying your bills and just getting through the day. |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"Reports coming in that Extinction Rebellion is for white privileged middle aged people and there is not enough diversity in its numbers..
Is this an example of institutional racism..
I would say it's a last ditch effort to discredit the organisation,,
With who's in charge at no10, its a case of the Truth is what they Tell you it is,,, and most swallow those bricks willingly. "
Given the way ER go about highlighting their cause I don't think they need any help.in being discredited.
They do some great work, but unfortunately shoot themselves in the foot with their high publicity stunts
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"Reports coming in that Extinction Rebellion is for white privileged middle aged people and there is not enough diversity in its numbers..
Is this an example of institutional racism..
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If it is an example of institutional racism, it's a pretty weak one. Maybe the commentators need to turn their anti-racism focus on the media, the justice system, politics?
Unless this is just an attempt to discredit and distract from XR's politics? |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Is it grinding your gears OP?"
No but I watch/read the news in disbelief these days..
The latest was about people with disabilities getting less exercise during lockdow...
No Shit Sherlock...
Most of us are getting less exercise.. disabled or not.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some of the environment protests involve illegal activities, violence, disruption, civil disobedience ect..
Maybe the young white people and people of colour do not join them, because they have more respect and sense. |
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