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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm on a Facebook page and it said 7pm Friday. So many different times are being Quoted. Im just going to donate to his NHS charity again if it's still active   |
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"This is a no from me. I find the clapping beyong cringy. "
I'm not sure if cringy is the word but when I find what word describes the discomfort I feel over his deification I'll share it with you.
Him personally I have nothing against.
I won't be clapping. |
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"This is a no from me. I find the clapping beyong cringy.
I'm not sure if cringy is the word but when I find what word describes the discomfort I feel over his deification I'll share it with you.
Him personally I have nothing against.
I won't be clapping. "
Quite agree
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"This is a no from me. I find the clapping beyong cringy.
I'm not sure if cringy is the word but when I find what word describes the discomfort I feel over his deification I'll share it with you.
Him personally I have nothing against.
I won't be clapping.
Quite agree
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Me too. Especially seeing as his family took him to Barbados for Christmas and new year. Is that how he got the pneumonia that helped a 100 year old to die?? Maybe taking him was legal but was it sensible?? And in reality. It was pneumonia that killed him. He contracted COVID-19 after. |
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By *viatrixWoman
over a year ago
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"This is a no from me. I find the clapping beyong cringy.
I'm not sure if cringy is the word but when I find what word describes the discomfort I feel over his deification I'll share it with you.
Him personally I have nothing against.
I won't be clapping. "
This exactly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm on a Facebook page and it said 7pm Friday. So many different times are being Quoted. Im just going to donate to his NHS charity again if it's still active "
His family set up the Sir captain Tom more fandation in September and they have asked for people to donate to that so they can donated to nhs charities. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope. Demand proper funding of the NHS so that a very old man doesn't think he needs to do what he did. Sentimentality won't change a thing."
I don't see why we can't clap and celebrate a remarkable man's life. I see funding the NSH as a political issue separate issue. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I wonder how many people up and down the country do work for charity and never get an ounce of recognition?"
So because some don't get recognised we shouldn't recognise anybody? |
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"I wonder how many people up and down the country do work for charity and never get an ounce of recognition?
So because some don't get recognised we shouldn't recognise anybody?"
Not what I said in the slightest. |
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"lets all clap for captain sir tom."
It's no' from me too I'm afraid.. Cpt T did a great job which deserves respect .. not so sure about him travelling out of the country as a good idea .~
However, BJ's/ this governments idea that everything is better with a little clap needs to be phased out IMHO .It is probably better to give carers in homes a better pay deal and maybe construct a garden of remembrance or maybe name a hospital after him etc for Cpt T which would be a proper mark of respect I would say |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"lets all clap for captain sir tom.
It's no' from me too I'm afraid.. Cpt T did a great job which deserves respect .. not so sure about him travelling out of the country as a good idea .~
However, BJ's/ this governments idea that everything is better with a little clap needs to be phased out IMHO .It is probably better to give carers in homes a better pay deal and maybe construct a garden of remembrance or maybe name a hospital after him etc for Cpt T which would be a proper mark of respect I would say "
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By *viatrixWoman
over a year ago
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"lets all clap for captain sir tom.
It's no' from me too I'm afraid.. Cpt T did a great job which deserves respect .. not so sure about him travelling out of the country as a good idea .~
However, BJ's/ this governments idea that everything is better with a little clap needs to be phased out IMHO .It is probably better to give carers in homes a better pay deal and maybe construct a garden of remembrance or maybe name a hospital after him etc for Cpt T which would be a proper mark of respect I would say "
Agreed. A little clap -doesn’t- make anything better. |
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"This is a no from me. I find the clapping beyong cringy.
I'm not sure if cringy is the word but when I find what word describes the discomfort I feel over his deification I'll share it with you.
Him personally I have nothing against.
I won't be clapping.
Quite agree
Me too. Especially seeing as his family took him to Barbados for Christmas and new year. Is that how he got the pneumonia that helped a 100 year old to die?? Maybe taking him was legal but was it sensible?? And in reality. It was pneumonia that killed him. He contracted COVID-19 after. "
Sensible? What do you suggest? That he sits at home doing fuck all, 'staying safe' to stay alive for a bit longer to sit at home to not die and not do anything? He had terminal prostate cancer, maybe they wanted as a family, to create some memories and joy by going on holiday.
My 99 year old mother sits in her room wishing death upon herself because she can't even be in the same building with her family, just wave at them through a screen or window.
She'd rather have a blast doing something with us and die months later that suffer her current existence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wow this is a sad read! I for one will be clapping for the remarkable man. RIP "
It really is.
People are bringing politics and whether or not he should have gone on to holiday into this and I don't see the correlation.
Surely it's just about celebrating very remarkable man's life. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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A hard pass. I can respect the man and what he did without the gesture of a clap. The need for a thundering public display has always been a single eyebrow raise for me.
A gesture I might add, that the government are taking full advantage of to fuel their smokescreen of misdirection for diverting attentions from all the other bullshit they are pulling, and failings. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wow this is a sad read! I for one will be clapping for the remarkable man. RIP
It really is.
People are bringing politics and whether or not he should have gone on to holiday into this and I don't see the correlation.
Surely it's just about celebrating very remarkable man's life."
Exactly. This thread has really shocked me tbh. Think I’ll bow out x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wow this is a sad read! I for one will be clapping for the remarkable man. RIP
It really is.
People are bringing politics and whether or not he should have gone on to holiday into this and I don't see the correlation.
Surely it's just about celebrating very remarkable man's life.
Exactly. This thread has really shocked me tbh. Think I’ll bow out x"
I will join you.
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Honestly what does clapping achieve? Does it make you feel good? Fine, then you're doing it for you and there's nothing wrong with that. Christ knows we need something to feel good about.
Captain Tom was a legend. Do you think he wants a round of applause? Or do you think he'd rather you dig in your pockets or took on an endurance sponsorship fundraiser for a good cause?
I hate to piss on anyone's chips, but I find "the clapping" painfully uncomfortable.
I'll be sticking my earphones in and avoiding the news cause if I see Boris clapping for the bloke when he's got the man's blood on his hands. Grrrrr. "
You sir, you deserve a clap!
Fully agree with you on that.
Every part of it in fact. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wow this is a sad read! I for one will be clapping for the remarkable man. RIP
It really is.
People are bringing politics and whether or not he should have gone on to holiday into this and I don't see the correlation.
Surely it's just about celebrating very remarkable man's life.
Exactly. This thread has really shocked me tbh. Think I’ll bow out x
I will join you.
Fancy a cuppa? "
Yep! Make it a latte and stick some baileys in it! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Honestly what does clapping achieve? Does it make you feel good? Fine, then you're doing it for you and there's nothing wrong with that. Christ knows we need something to feel good about.
Captain Tom was a legend. Do you think he wants a round of applause? Or do you think he'd rather you dig in your pockets or took on an endurance sponsorship fundraiser for a good cause?
I hate to piss on anyone's chips, but I find "the clapping" painfully uncomfortable.
I'll be sticking my earphones in and avoiding the news cause if I see Boris clapping for the bloke when he's got the man's blood on his hands. Grrrrr.
You sir, you deserve a clap!
Fully agree with you on that.
Every part of it in fact. "
What? Jesus I’m definitely out! |
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"Wow this is a sad read! I for one will be clapping for the remarkable man. RIP
It really is.
People are bringing politics and whether or not he should have gone on to holiday into this and I don't see the correlation.
Surely it's just about celebrating very remarkable man's life."
It's a debate about whether you want to clap or not.
People are allowed to have differing opinions. |
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"A hard pass. I can respect the man and what he did without the gesture of a clap. The need for a thundering public display has always been a single eyebrow raise for me.
A gesture I might add, that the government are taking full advantage of to fuel their smokescreen of misdirection for diverting attentions from all the other bullshit they are pulling, and failings."
Again
Agreed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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On a side note maybe this should be moved to the politics forum. Don’t think that was the intention of the thread but it’s quite clearly where it belongs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wow this is a sad read! I for one will be clapping for the remarkable man. RIP
It really is.
People are bringing politics and whether or not he should have gone on to holiday into this and I don't see the correlation.
Surely it's just about celebrating very remarkable man's life.
It's a debate about whether you want to clap or not.
People are allowed to have differing opinions. "
I know and I gave mine.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"On a side note maybe this should be moved to the politics forum. Don’t think that was the intention of the thread but it’s quite clearly where it belongs. "
No I don't think it was I think it was meant to be something positive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's just a small sign of respect and admiration for a man who did something. He actually did something of value when so many sit around and do nothing but complain. Maybe not a "hero" but a good and decent human being. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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It's a no from me.
Johnson is jumping on a bandwagon and trying to shift attention from his incompetence causing such a huge number of deaths, whilst his mates take massive amounts of money for very little return.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can't believe so many of you are so vehemently against clapping for Sir Tom! It's not political to want to show a little respect!
I shall be doing it (whatever day it is!!) "
A post on a swinging site about it though - is that really the best way we can think of to respect the poor old fella and his family?
I'm not saying you shouldn't post, I'm just saying when my mum died then then for me the important stuff mattered most, the actually having known and loved the person who's passed, not the likes or fabs or fame or timelines and statuses |
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" Me too. Especially seeing as his family took him to Barbados for Christmas and new year. Is that how he got the pneumonia that helped a 100 year old to die?? Maybe taking him was legal but was it sensible?? And in reality. It was pneumonia that killed him. He contracted COVID-19 after. "
I think it was entirely sensible, in fact, probably one of the safest places he could be. In order to go to Barbados at that time, you had to have a negative covid test 2-3 days before arrival, significantly reducing any potential infection in flight, particularly as he travelled first class and so had space around him. All arrivals then had to quarantine (properly, not like UK quarantine) until they had taken a second test a couple of days after arrival and received a second negative result. Anyone who tested positive, resident or visitor, was moved to government quarantine to be looked after.
Admittedly, they have had an increase of cases recently, but at the time he was there, there were incredibly few. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is a no from me. I find the clapping beyong cringy.
Same. Just an excuse for people to post themselves on social media. "
Totally agree.
Super sad news him passing tho. An incredible man!
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"Can't believe so many of you are so vehemently against clapping for Sir Tom! It's not political to want to show a little respect!
I shall be doing it (whatever day it is!!) "
And nobody should argue or try to take away whatever people want to do to honour this man, if it is clapping at a time the Prime Minister has called, so be it.
Other people, who like me choose not to clap, can quietly remember him and what he stand for - humility, humanity, hope and an engagement for the something he really believed it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its the going outside so everyone can see you do it. Posting it all over social media so everyone can see how good you are. Do it in your own home. Remember him in your own way (if you wish too).
But I am a miserable cow at the best of times... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its the going outside so everyone can see you do it. Posting it all over social media so everyone can see how good you are. Do it in your own home. Remember him in your own way (if you wish too).
But I am a miserable cow at the best of times..."
I was thinking about this earlier thinking well actually should we be doing it in our own living rooms rather than be seen?
But no I don't agree because particularly captain Tom Moore was all about community and people showing respect and appreciation to others so I actually think it's quite fitting. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think this whole clapping like seals has become a cringeworthy gimmick.
It doesn’t change anything. People clap outside their doors to look “good” then go back to normal in their households. That may seem harsh to some but it’s true.
Captain Tom was an amazing man who did an amazing thing, a British Army officer who deserves to have his life and his achievements remembered forever, he’s worth more than a clap. |
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Today was my first clap.
I thought the whole street would be out.
Just me and next door but one.
That saddened me I can't deny it.
However, there were some cars honking and a single firework, that hit my tear ducts. |
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"Today was my first clap.
I thought the whole street would be out.
Just me and next door but one.
That saddened me I can't deny it.
However, there were some cars honking and a single firework, that hit my tear ducts."
I was totally on my own. But I clapped & rung my little bell.
(photos of which will most certainly NOT be on social media) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope. Demand proper funding of the NHS so that a very old man doesn't think he needs to do what he did. Sentimentality won't change a thing."
Absolutely this and more!
That a 99 year old man felt compelled to raise funds for the NHS, which the government should be providing, speaks volumes about how fucked up this governments thinking is on funding for society.
I hope his legacy is that the NHS and those who work in it receive the proper recognition, funding and salary that they rightly deserve.
Sounds like a lovely bloke, with a great sense of duty and public service. I feel for his family. RIP Sir Tom. |
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By *lowhands7Man
over a year ago
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Far far too many people have died during this pandemic to be singling one person out.
Nothing against the guy, total admiration in fact, but let's keep perspective.
Reading the headlines that said he died with his family at his hospital bedside also doesn't sit comfortably, thousands of people have died and their families haven't been allowed to see them due to national guidance, why the exception here?
Let's keep it in perspective, that's all. |
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"Nope. Demand proper funding of the NHS so that a very old man doesn't think he needs to do what he did. Sentimentality won't change a thing.
Absolutely this and more!
That a 99 year old man felt compelled to raise funds for the NHS, which the government should be providing, speaks volumes about how fucked up this governments thinking is on funding for society.
I hope his legacy is that the NHS and those who work in it receive the proper recognition, funding and salary that they rightly deserve.
Sounds like a lovely bloke, with a great sense of duty and public service. I feel for his family. RIP Sir Tom."
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"Today was my first clap.
I thought the whole street would be out.
Just me and next door but one.
That saddened me I can't deny it.
However, there were some cars honking and a single firework, that hit my tear ducts.
I was totally on my own. But I clapped & rung my little bell.
(photos of which will most certainly NOT be on social media) "
I'd not done any before, mainly because when there was the last surge in it all I wasn't at home, I'd spent 5 months of the pandemic with friends. There was some clapping but it was summer and warm. I can understand the cringe factor, the feeling of the clap becoming political and a smoke screen. False hope even.
But for me this was different.
This was the one where I really did think it would be like a collective thank you, us sharing in an appreciation, an acknowledgement and recognising each other as a community rather than just knowing house numbers but no idea of the faces behind the doors. |
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"Today was my first clap.
I thought the whole street would be out.
Just me and next door but one.
That saddened me I can't deny it.
However, there were some cars honking and a single firework, that hit my tear ducts."
Thing is though, some doughnut decided that 6pm was the optimum time
Alot of people were feeding or bathing their children, or just getting home from work |
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"Today was my first clap.
I thought the whole street would be out.
Just me and next door but one.
That saddened me I can't deny it.
However, there were some cars honking and a single firework, that hit my tear ducts.
I was totally on my own. But I clapped & rung my little bell.
(photos of which will most certainly NOT be on social media)
I'd not done any before, mainly because when there was the last surge in it all I wasn't at home, I'd spent 5 months of the pandemic with friends. There was some clapping but it was summer and warm. I can understand the cringe factor, the feeling of the clap becoming political and a smoke screen. False hope even.
But for me this was different.
This was the one where I really did think it would be like a collective thank you, us sharing in an appreciation, an acknowledgement and recognising each other as a community rather than just knowing house numbers but no idea of the faces behind the doors."
Exactly PP. It's not political to want to show appreciation for a national treasure & our NHS.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reading the headlines that said he died with his family at his hospital bedside also doesn't sit comfortably, thousands of people have died and their families haven't been allowed to see them due to national guidance, why the exception here?"
Quite. I did hear on local news that his family were by his bedside as he was in hospital. He was a legend but explain that to those parents who were forced to be away from their children as they died without family present. For me, as a parent, that is one of the cruel things about this mess, and that someone would think is in anyway an acceptable or understandable policy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reading the headlines that said he died with his family at his hospital bedside also doesn't sit comfortably, thousands of people have died and their families haven't been allowed to see them due to national guidance, why the exception here?
Quite. I did hear on local news that his family were by his bedside as he was in hospital. He was a legend but explain that to those parents who were forced to be away from their children as they died without family present. For me, as a parent, that is one of the cruel things about this mess, and that someone would think is in anyway an acceptable or understandable policy."
I believe the rules have been changed. My friend was able to be with her mum last week when she was dying. I know of a few instances where they have called family in at the end so no it wasn’t an exception. |
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I believe the rules have been changed. My friend was able to be with her mum last week when she was dying. I know of a few instances where they have called family in at the end so no it wasn’t an exception. "
Yes, the rules have changed. Thankfully. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Thank you Nora. Good to know the rules have been changed, and not before time.
And to the poster who cited about not giving time etc., please don't assume you have the right to tell people how they should feel, or react to a situation or event. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I think this whole clapping like seals has become a cringeworthy gimmick.
It doesn’t change anything. People clap outside their doors to look “good” then go back to normal in their households. That may seem harsh to some but it’s true.
Captain Tom was an amazing man who did an amazing thing, a British Army officer who deserves to have his life and his achievements remembered forever, he’s worth more than a clap. "
It is on the same level as "thoughts and prayers" Facebook comments, and the profile pic frames and filters showing in support of something.
He certainly deserves every bit of recognition and a defining legacy on what he did, but the clap gimmick...  |
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"Thank you Nora. Good to know the rules have been changed, and not before time.
And to the poster who cited about not giving time etc., please don't assume you have the right to tell people how they should feel, or react to a situation or event."
I cannot even imagine how it must feel to not be with a loved one at that time! Must be beyond heartbreaking x |
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"Nice to see the usual excuses for not giving a minute of their time for a man who raised millions for your so loved NHS.
You should be ashamed, but it just shows your true colours.  "
The kind of guilt shaming o which perfectly sums up why people see so gestures as meaningless.
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"I think this whole clapping like seals has become a cringeworthy gimmick.
It doesn’t change anything. People clap outside their doors to look “good” then go back to normal in their households. That may seem harsh to some but it’s true.
Captain Tom was an amazing man who did an amazing thing, a British Army officer who deserves to have his life and his achievements remembered forever, he’s worth more than a clap.
It is on the same level as "thoughts and prayers" Facebook comments, and the profile pic frames and filters showing in support of something.
He certainly deserves every bit of recognition and a defining legacy on what he did, but the clap gimmick... "
Honestly for me, I don't have the funds to donate, I agree it was a sad state of affairs that it took him standing up and doing what he could to wake us up.
But for me it was way more than that.
It was the children he inspired. The ones with physical disabilities who saw him and dug deep inside themselves achieving things they never thought they could plus a whole lot more.
I don't believe anyone was right or wrong by clapping or not. But just for me, at that moment, it just felt fitting. And yes, I guess for me it was about a moment of hope. Hope that it wasn't a case of "old bloke's dead, now whack the footie on" without a second thought of the things we could learn.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm quite surprised to read some of the comments on here. This isnt about politics, this is about showing some respect for a wonderful man.
We clapped for him, we listened to the tribute they played on the radio and we lit him a candle. Not for recognition but as a mark of respect. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It is on the same level as "thoughts and prayers" Facebook comments, and the profile pic frames and filters showing in support of something.
He certainly deserves every bit of recognition and a defining legacy on what he did, but the clap gimmick... "
That's how I feel about it. I'll leave aside the political posturing and distraction, for now.
For me it feels like a cheap gesture and people largely follow on auto pilot, and it encourages yet more automation and lack of critical thinking. |
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"I'm quite surprised to read some of the comments on here. This isnt about politics, this is about showing some respect for a wonderful man.
We clapped for him, we listened to the tribute they played on the radio and we lit him a candle. Not for recognition but as a mark of respect. "
There were loads of rip threads yesterday.
Its about whether you agree with the gesture or not.
People are perfectly entitled to give reasons for saying why they dont agree with it without being ashamed of not jumping on the latest boris johnson bandwagon.
Just because you dont agree with it diesnt mean its disrespectful to a man who died .
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"I'm quite surprised to read some of the comments on here. This isnt about politics, this is about showing some respect for a wonderful man.
We clapped for him, we listened to the tribute they played on the radio and we lit him a candle. Not for recognition but as a mark of respect. "
That’s so lovely! X Well said |
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I must say, it's just as bad shaming those of us that did clap as it is those that didn't.
I'm willing to bet we're ALL pretty sensitive and triggered at the moment. Those that didn't aren't disrespectful, those that did aren't cheap or looking for kudos for it.
An inspirational man who touched many hearts and will have changed many lives has died and we react how we sit fit. |
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"I'm quite surprised to read some of the comments on here. This isnt about politics, this is about showing some respect for a wonderful man.
We clapped for him, we listened to the tribute they played on the radio and we lit him a candle. Not for recognition but as a mark of respect. "
My thoughts on it exactly sparkles x |
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"I must say, it's just as bad shaming those of us that did clap as it is those that didn't.
I'm willing to bet we're ALL pretty sensitive and triggered at the moment. Those that didn't aren't disrespectful, those that did aren't cheap or looking for kudos for it.
An inspirational man who touched many hearts and will have changed many lives has died and we react how we sit fit."
Didnt that happen in the summer when people were not out clapping for nurses?
You can quietly do your bit to help in the pandemic or do some charity work yet you should be ashamed if you dont agree with the gesture?
Just wrong. |
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"I must say, it's just as bad shaming those of us that did clap as it is those that didn't.
I'm willing to bet we're ALL pretty sensitive and triggered at the moment. Those that didn't aren't disrespectful, those that did aren't cheap or looking for kudos for it.
An inspirational man who touched many hearts and will have changed many lives has died and we react how we sit fit.
Didnt that happen in the summer when people were not out clapping for nurses?
You can quietly do your bit to help in the pandemic or do some charity work yet you should be ashamed if you dont agree with the gesture?
Just wrong."
I never said you should be ashamed, I know I haven't got my glasses on but I'm pretty sure my sight isn't that bad without them that I totally misspelled the whole post. |
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"I must say, it's just as bad shaming those of us that did clap as it is those that didn't.
I'm willing to bet we're ALL pretty sensitive and triggered at the moment. Those that didn't aren't disrespectful, those that did aren't cheap or looking for kudos for it.
An inspirational man who touched many hearts and will have changed many lives has died and we react how we sit fit.
Didnt that happen in the summer when people were not out clapping for nurses?
You can quietly do your bit to help in the pandemic or do some charity work yet you should be ashamed if you dont agree with the gesture?
Just wrong.
I never said you should be ashamed, I know I haven't got my glasses on but I'm pretty sure my sight isn't that bad without them that I totally misspelled the whole post."
Sorry
.it wasnt aimed at you.
It was in reference to an earlier post. |
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over a year ago
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"I think this whole clapping like seals has become a cringeworthy gimmick.
It doesn’t change anything. People clap outside their doors to look “good” then go back to normal in their households. That may seem harsh to some but it’s true.
Captain Tom was an amazing man who did an amazing thing, a British Army officer who deserves to have his life and his achievements remembered forever, he’s worth more than a clap.
It is on the same level as "thoughts and prayers" Facebook comments, and the profile pic frames and filters showing in support of something.
He certainly deserves every bit of recognition and a defining legacy on what he did, but the clap gimmick...
Honestly for me, I don't have the funds to donate, I agree it was a sad state of affairs that it took him standing up and doing what he could to wake us up.
But for me it was way more than that.
It was the children he inspired. The ones with physical disabilities who saw him and dug deep inside themselves achieving things they never thought they could plus a whole lot more.
I don't believe anyone was right or wrong by clapping or not. But just for me, at that moment, it just felt fitting. And yes, I guess for me it was about a moment of hope. Hope that it wasn't a case of "old bloke's dead, now whack the footie on" without a second thought of the things we could learn.
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I'm not saying, nor have I ever said it is wrong to clap.
Just like not clapping is in no way being disrespectful, as you say.
I don't need to clap to give my respects to anybody, I don't need to do a thing at all to give my respects.
Political or not, however you want to look at it, "the clap" became tainted the minute politicians decided to endorse it, and companies decided to jump on the band wagon as a marketing gimmick. Which is one of the reasons that I chose not to do such a thing to give my respect to the man.
The issue some of us have is not the thought behind it, or that people did it, if it makes you feel that you paid your respect then do it. But the gimmick of the clap itself has become just that, a gimmick. Regardless of great intentions by some doing it, it has solid reasons to be viewed as a hollow gesture on a larger scale for us. |
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"Nice to see the usual excuses for not giving a minute of their time for a man who raised millions for your so loved NHS.
You should be ashamed, but it just shows your true colours. "
Can you tell me what clapping outside your door achieves?
Not sure how that shows ones true colours, I think it says more about you than anything that you think this poor man deserves just a “clap” outside that has since become a gimmick and when others don’t do it, people use it as a stick to bash them with.
He deserves far more than a clap on a doorstep that most of you won’t even think about once you’re done. |
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"I think this whole clapping like seals has become a cringeworthy gimmick.
It doesn’t change anything. People clap outside their doors to look “good” then go back to normal in their households. That may seem harsh to some but it’s true.
Captain Tom was an amazing man who did an amazing thing, a British Army officer who deserves to have his life and his achievements remembered forever, he’s worth more than a clap.
It is on the same level as "thoughts and prayers" Facebook comments, and the profile pic frames and filters showing in support of something.
He certainly deserves every bit of recognition and a defining legacy on what he did, but the clap gimmick... "
Perfect comparison.
It’s all for show, I know many who did it didn’t do it to be noticed, but there’s a lot who do. They post videos or they’ll post about it on social media then bash others who don’t.
I won’t be a part of that. I wonder how many of those clapping donated to his foundation?!
That makes far more of a difference. |
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"I think this whole clapping like seals has become a cringeworthy gimmick.
It doesn’t change anything. People clap outside their doors to look “good” then go back to normal in their households. That may seem harsh to some but it’s true.
Captain Tom was an amazing man who did an amazing thing, a British Army officer who deserves to have his life and his achievements remembered forever, he’s worth more than a clap.
It is on the same level as "thoughts and prayers" Facebook comments, and the profile pic frames and filters showing in support of something.
He certainly deserves every bit of recognition and a defining legacy on what he did, but the clap gimmick...
Perfect comparison.
It’s all for show, I know many who did it didn’t do it to be noticed, but there’s a lot who do. They post videos or they’ll post about it on social media then bash others who don’t.
I won’t be a part of that. I wonder how many of those clapping donated to his foundation?!
That makes far more of a difference."
There is another issue here of the countless people who just quietly volunteer and give the ir time up without any recognition. |
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"No clapping from me but would love to see a statue of him built one day in his memory.
What would it say ?
Tomorrow will be a good day. There will be sausage rolls.x"
I love that. |
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I honestly do not see what clapping achieves nor do I understand the idea of getting everyone outside their doors at the same time ( remember most doors are not 2 metres apart ) when the whole thing right now is to stay away from each other. Lunacy that has been jumped on by the media and by politicians to try and distract us from the crap that is being enforced upon us. I hate it when I see and hear people saying well I was out there clapping but you know those at 43 no clapping from them bloody hell they could be putting the children to bed, feeding the family, working, or maybe doing it in doors to stay away from everyone as they are told they should. I actually have found it the most cringe worthy thing when my neighbours do this.
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"Nice to see the usual excuses for not giving a minute of their time for a man who raised millions for your so loved NHS.
You should be ashamed, but it just shows your true colours. "
Did they say they weren't giving a minute of their time or simply they weren't going to do it publically to show what a good person they are to beryl next door? I can pay my respects without being told how to. On November 11th I don't go and stand outside with others to honour this who lost their lives but I do pay my respects.
I do feel like my social media platforms are awash with faux sentimentality right now. So many people saying they cried when they heard he had died. Actually cried over a man they never knew.
There is of course the slight hypocritical issue around his holiday to barbados. He raised money for the NHS during a time when they are stretched beyond belief then went and put himself and his family at risk by jetting off to barbados (of course not a but bitter that my cruise from barbodos has been cancelled twice in this pandemic  ). Yes they had to gavd tests and quarantine but that doesn't mean that there was no risk of catching it. It was a selfish decision to go. No two ways about it, however I dint think him or his family should be vilified for it. They should just own it.
Look at how everyone is reacting to social media influencers who have travelled out to places like dubai to work. Phil and Holly interviewed one and were pretty awful to her. Why is that different to sir Tom wanting a Christmas on the beach?
The whole don't clap, demand funding argument is just as bad as tye clapping if I'm honest. It's empty words to make you feel good. Someone in a local paper feed the other day was criticising the city fir wanting to dedicate a bridge to the NHS saying the money should bums used to better fund the NHS. Like it's the city councils decision how much funding the NHS gets. But hey, it made them feel like they were making a difference I guess. |
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"I've just seen something about his love of motorbikes and how a biker group is proposing a rev up tonight and a yearly run in his memory to continue to fund raise."
Love this!!! |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"I've just seen something about his love of motorbikes and how a biker group is proposing a rev up tonight and a yearly run in his memory to continue to fund raise.
Love this!!! "
Seconded, a very fitting tribute |
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"It seems to be one if those topics where if you have any sort of reservations about the whole circus you are jumped on from a very great height. "
Seems like a lot of threads are the same. The newspeak and doublethink is strong here! |
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"Nice to see the usual excuses for not giving a minute of their time for a man who raised millions for your so loved NHS.
You should be ashamed, but it just shows your true colours.
Can you tell me what clapping outside your door achieves?
Not sure how that shows ones true colours, I think it says more about you than anything that you think this poor man deserves just a “clap” outside that has since become a gimmick and when others don’t do it, people use it as a stick to bash them with.
He deserves far more than a clap on a doorstep that most of you won’t even think about once you’re done. "
It’s just a show of respect for what he did for the NHS and peoples moral.
No agenda here, just showing our respect as did many others. |
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I admire what he done, but I respect him more for the fact that he served his country and survived it! No one would have given a shit if he'd just died without having walked round the home. He wouldn't have received any coverage or respect for his services to our country. The same as so many veterans are ignored and neglected. I'm sorry but this whole captain Tom thing really boils my piss!! |
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"I admire what he done, but I respect him more for the fact that he served his country and survived it! No one would have given a shit if he'd just died without having walked round the home. He wouldn't have received any coverage or respect for his services to our country. The same as so many veterans are ignored and neglected. I'm sorry but this whole captain Tom thing really boils my piss!! "
I agree.
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Whilst Captain Tom was undoubtedly a lovely man who did a lovely thing.
I am absolutely flabbergasted that we are celebrating the fact that he raised money for a National Health Service that should be 100% funded by the taxes we pay. Politicians should have been shamed by his act, not applauding it. The fact that he had to do it or felt that he had to do is a demonstration of their failure to fund and manage adequately the National Health Service.
So Tom, well done, but for the love of all that is sensible in this world. It is a shame that you felt you had to do it.... |
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"Whilst Captain Tom was undoubtedly a lovely man who did a lovely thing.
I am absolutely flabbergasted that we are celebrating the fact that he raised money for a National Health Service that should be 100% funded by the taxes we pay. Politicians should have been shamed by his act, not applauding it. The fact that he had to do it or felt that he had to do is a demonstration of their failure to fund and manage adequately the National Health Service.
So Tom, well done, but for the love of all that is sensible in this world. It is a shame that you felt you had to do it...."
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"Whilst Captain Tom was undoubtedly a lovely man who did a lovely thing.
I am absolutely flabbergasted that we are celebrating the fact that he raised money for a National Health Service that should be 100% funded by the taxes we pay. Politicians should have been shamed by his act, not applauding it. The fact that he had to do it or felt that he had to do is a demonstration of their failure to fund and manage adequately the National Health Service.
So Tom, well done, but for the love of all that is sensible in this world. It is a shame that you felt you had to do it...."
Instead of asking why a 100 year old man is raising money for something we all pay for they are hiding behind it .and no one is asking that question.
Johnson certainly can spot a bandwagon a mile off. |
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I don't think this is really the place but to those that are complaining that the NHS is under funded, you do realise it costs about £275,000 a minute to run.
What it needs is overhauling but politicians are too scared to do it because too many people don't understand that the NHS is a badly run institution.
I don't for one second doubt that the care staff are overworked and many are under paid but that is down to mismanagement not under funding.
With tax rebates Sir Tom raised an incredible £39 million, enough to run the NHS for 2 hours and 21 minutes.
He did want he wanted because he wanted to not because he needed to. |
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"I don't think this is really the place but to those that are complaining that the NHS is under funded, you do realise it costs about £275,000 a minute to run.
What it needs is overhauling but politicians are too scared to do it because too many people don't understand that the NHS is a badly run institution.
I don't for one second doubt that the care staff are overworked and many are under paid but that is down to mismanagement not under funding.
With tax rebates Sir Tom raised an incredible £39 million, enough to run the NHS for 2 hours and 21 minutes.
He did want he wanted because he wanted to not because he needed to."
Then the point still stands “politicians....afraid”. Where did the money come from that Tom raised, taxpayers....
The point is moot. Tom did a good thing, he didn’t have too and he did, FairPlay. But “frightened politicians” need to get a grip on a service that is over-managed and under resourced so that it actually does deliver the services that people need without breaking the hardworking people that work in it.
Next we will be raising money to support the veterans who fight for our country.... oh wait, or worse we will need to have a bring and buy to raise money for schools to provide books.... oh wait....
It is shameful that any government can throw billions at irresponsible banks or at a train service that will speed up journey times by 11 minutes, but fail in providing critical services that affect people’s lives.
Sorry, I know we won’t agree, but by cheering along with Boris (or any other politician of any political party) that fails to perform even the most basic of civil duties I feel we alleviate them of responsibility for their failures. |
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"I don't think this is really the place but to those that are complaining that the NHS is under funded, you do realise it costs about £275,000 a minute to run.
What it needs is overhauling but politicians are too scared to do it because too many people don't understand that the NHS is a badly run institution.
I don't for one second doubt that the care staff are overworked and many are under paid but that is down to mismanagement not under funding.
With tax rebates Sir Tom raised an incredible £39 million, enough to run the NHS for 2 hours and 21 minutes.
He did want he wanted because he wanted to not because he needed to.
Then the point still stands “politicians....afraid”. Where did the money come from that Tom raised, taxpayers....
The point is moot. Tom did a good thing, he didn’t have too and he did, FairPlay. But “frightened politicians” need to get a grip on a service that is over-managed and under resourced so that it actually does deliver the services that people need without breaking the hardworking people that work in it.
Next we will be raising money to support the veterans who fight for our country.... oh wait, or worse we will need to have a bring and buy to raise money for schools to provide books.... oh wait....
It is shameful that any government can throw billions at irresponsible banks or at a train service that will speed up journey times by 11 minutes, but fail in providing critical services that affect people’s lives.
Sorry, I know we won’t agree, but by cheering along with Boris (or any other politician of any political party) that fails to perform even the most basic of civil duties I feel we alleviate them of responsibility for their failures. "
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"I don't think this is really the place but to those that are complaining that the NHS is under funded, you do realise it costs about £275,000 a minute to run.
What it needs is overhauling but politicians are too scared to do it because too many people don't understand that the NHS is a badly run institution.
I don't for one second doubt that the care staff are overworked and many are under paid but that is down to mismanagement not under funding.
With tax rebates Sir Tom raised an incredible £39 million, enough to run the NHS for 2 hours and 21 minutes.
He did want he wanted because he wanted to not because he needed to.
Then the point still stands “politicians....afraid”. Where did the money come from that Tom raised, taxpayers....
The point is moot. Tom did a good thing, he didn’t have too and he did, FairPlay. But “frightened politicians” need to get a grip on a service that is over-managed and under resourced so that it actually does deliver the services that people need without breaking the hardworking people that work in it.
Next we will be raising money to support the veterans who fight for our country.... oh wait, or worse we will need to have a bring and buy to raise money for schools to provide books.... oh wait....
It is shameful that any government can throw billions at irresponsible banks or at a train service that will speed up journey times by 11 minutes, but fail in providing critical services that affect people’s lives.
Sorry, I know we won’t agree, but by cheering along with Boris (or any other politician of any political party) that fails to perform even the most basic of civil duties I feel we alleviate them of responsibility for their failures. "
I think you are spot on.
I know it's off topic but I remember when the pandemic started and hospital staff were having to bring in their own ppe.
Absolutely scandalous.
And things like this just let them get away with it. |
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"lets all clap for captain sir tom.
It's no' from me too I'm afraid.. Cpt T did a great job which deserves respect .. not so sure about him travelling out of the country as a good idea .~
However, BJ's/ this governments idea that everything is better with a little clap needs to be phased out IMHO .It is probably better to give carers in homes a better pay deal and maybe construct a garden of remembrance or maybe name a hospital after him etc for Cpt T which would be a proper mark of respect I would say
Agreed. A little clap -doesn’t- make anything better. "
It gives a community a little lift, as you shared a moment in time with a neighbour you might never speak to. |
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"I don't think this is really the place but to those that are complaining that the NHS is under funded, you do realise it costs about £275,000 a minute to run.
What it needs is overhauling but politicians are too scared to do it because too many people don't understand that the NHS is a badly run institution.
I don't for one second doubt that the care staff are overworked and many are under paid but that is down to mismanagement not under funding.
With tax rebates Sir Tom raised an incredible £39 million, enough to run the NHS for 2 hours and 21 minutes.
He did want he wanted because he wanted to not because he needed to.
Then the point still stands “politicians....afraid”. Where did the money come from that Tom raised, taxpayers....
The point is moot. Tom did a good thing, he didn’t have too and he did, FairPlay. But “frightened politicians” need to get a grip on a service that is over-managed and under resourced so that it actually does deliver the services that people need without breaking the hardworking people that work in it.
Next we will be raising money to support the veterans who fight for our country.... oh wait, or worse we will need to have a bring and buy to raise money for schools to provide books.... oh wait....
It is shameful that any government can throw billions at irresponsible banks or at a train service that will speed up journey times by 11 minutes, but fail in providing critical services that affect people’s lives.
Sorry, I know we won’t agree, but by cheering along with Boris (or any other politician of any political party) that fails to perform even the most basic of civil duties I feel we alleviate them of responsibility for their failures. "
The reason I say they are too scared is because most people have elevated the NHS to god like status and won't hear a bad word about it.
The NHS is not underfunded, over managed yes.
Totally agree about the veterans, not so sure about schools as a lot a lot of them are now independently run.
HS2 totally agree is a waste of money.
I generally think that a lot of MPs think they can make a difference but once on the gravey train realise that it's on the too difficult list and just do enough to keep their seat. |
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I have said before that I didn't understand the adoration of Captain Tom, maybe I didn't see enough of him being reported on or interviewed I don't know ,but for me he was a man who did a nice gesture for a cause that isn't a charity. He managed to get lots of publicity for it so it snowballed for him. Lots of other people do the same thing day in day out.
He seemed a nice man and it is sad that he died of Covid but I didn't clap on the doorstep and I don't think he should have a state funeral as has been suggested but I do sympathise with his family who looked heartbroken while clapping last night.
I think I would rather we have a moment of silence for the 110,250 that have died than clap just for one person who has died and I hope someone organises that
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"I have said before that I didn't understand the adoration of Captain Tom, maybe I didn't see enough of him being reported on or interviewed I don't know ,but for me he was a man who did a nice gesture for a cause that isn't a charity. He managed to get lots of publicity for it so it snowballed for him. Lots of other people do the same thing day in day out.
He seemed a nice man and it is sad that he died of Covid but I didn't clap on the doorstep and I don't think he should have a state funeral as has been suggested but I do sympathise with his family who looked heartbroken while clapping last night.
I think I would rather we have a moment of silence for the 110,250 that have died than clap just for one person who has died and I hope someone organises that
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"I have said before that I didn't understand the adoration of Captain Tom, maybe I didn't see enough of him being reported on or interviewed I don't know ,but for me he was a man who did a nice gesture for a cause that isn't a charity. He managed to get lots of publicity for it so it snowballed for him. Lots of other people do the same thing day in day out.
He seemed a nice man and it is sad that he died of Covid but I didn't clap on the doorstep and I don't think he should have a state funeral as has been suggested but I do sympathise with his family who looked heartbroken while clapping last night.
I think I would rather we have a moment of silence for the 110,250 that have died than clap just for one person who has died and I hope someone organises that
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There are several aspects I feel uncomfortable with ,but the media have once again generated this mood of hysteria that anyone who doesnt agree with the clapping thing should be ashamed of themselves.
I think its quite convenient for the media to make a huge fuss over 1 person as it makes asking difficult questions that much harger.
Countless people do charity work every day and they certainly dont get statues built and bank holidays in their honour.
I think it was granny who mentioned earlier that she didnt agree with the whole deification thing and whilst I domt agree with them being trolled,people should be able to Express a different opinion. |
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"Honestly what does clapping achieve? Does it make you feel good? Fine, then you're doing it for you and there's nothing wrong with that. Christ knows we need something to feel good about.
Captain Tom was a legend. Do you think he wants a round of applause? Or do you think he'd rather you dig in your pockets or took on an endurance sponsorship fundraiser for a good cause?
I hate to piss on anyone's chips, but I find "the clapping" painfully uncomfortable.
I'll be sticking my earphones in and avoiding the news cause if I see Boris clapping for the bloke when he's got the man's blood on his hands. Grrrrr.
You sir, you deserve a clap!
Fully agree with you on that.
Every part of it in fact. "
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