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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?"
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended. |
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over a year ago
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The word needs leaving in the past
He fucked up
If you have corporate sponsorship you should be beyond reproach professionally & personally, but without a doubt professionally
They acted appropriately |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended. "
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport |
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This is free market capitalism in action.
Guy did something that his sponsor thought might them look bad.
Sponsor isn't cool with the reputation dent.
Sponsor acted in their reputation and financial interests.
Too bad: if you're on camera, don't get caught doing stuff like that. |
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"This is free market capitalism in action.
Guy did something that his sponsor thought might them look bad.
Sponsor isn't cool with the reputation dent.
Sponsor acted in their reputation and financial interests.
Too bad: if you're on camera, don't get caught doing stuff like that."
I think that sort of sums it up really |
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"This is free market capitalism in action.
Guy did something that his sponsor thought might them look bad.
Sponsor isn't cool with the reputation dent.
Sponsor acted in their reputation and financial interests.
Too bad: if you're on camera, don't get caught doing stuff like that."
Yes this, it’s not Ralph Lauren in the wrong, they have decided the above, pure and simple.  |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport "
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool  |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool "
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you? |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?"
The same way the 'N' word offends people when it's not aimed at them. |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?"
Why do you think?
Just have a proper think about it. |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
Why do you think?
Just have a proper think about it."
I have. |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
Why do you think?
Just have a proper think about it.
I have."
Come to a realisation yet? |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
Why do you think?
Just have a proper think about it.
I have.
Come to a realisation yet?"
No. |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
Why do you think?
Just have a proper think about it.
I have.
Come to a realisation yet?
No."
He called himself a homosexual as a way of putting himself down, dude.
Y'know? |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?"
Because I don't want to live in a society where anyone is subject to that sort of hatred. |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
Why do you think?
Just have a proper think about it.
I have.
Come to a realisation yet?
No.
He called himself a homosexual as a way of putting himself down, dude.
Y'know? "
No he didn’t. I think you’ve over analysed it.
He mouthed a profanity that was barely audible. |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
Because I don't want to live in a society where anyone is subject to that sort of hatred."
Hatred? |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
Why do you think?
Just have a proper think about it.
I have.
Come to a realisation yet?
No.
He called himself a homosexual as a way of putting himself down, dude.
Y'know?
No he didn’t. I think you’ve over analysed it.
He mouthed a profanity that was barely audible."
There is no over analysisng, that's... exactly what happened  |
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He's a public figure and a brand. His actions have damged his brand and so sponsors have chosen to take a stand and prevent damage to their brand in turn.
It seeems reasonable to me, and if they hadn't of acted then they would most likely have been criticised. I won't boycott any brand for standing up for human rights. |
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"He's a public figure and a brand. His actions have damged his brand and so sponsors have chosen to take a stand and prevent damage to their brand in turn.
It seeems reasonable to me, and if they hadn't of acted then they would most likely have been criticised. I won't boycott any brand for standing up for human rights."
What the heck has human rights got to do with it? |
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"This is free market capitalism in action.
Guy did something that his sponsor thought might them look bad.
Sponsor isn't cool with the reputation dent.
Sponsor acted in their reputation and financial interests.
Too bad: if you're on camera, don't get caught doing stuff like that."
This...
Casual homophobic language doesn't make anyone look good.
I have no idea who the guy is but completely understand why he has been dropped. |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?"
It bothers me because its use affects me and a good deal of my friends
To use it so casually reflects that those unaffected by it don't understand it's context and negative impact on millions of people, both now and historically
It is easy to bandy about words that don't affect you and pass them off as if they are nothing
History tells me otherwise
And before you go down that line, do not even begin to suggest that is in the past and that being LGBT is acceptable these days
Tell that to the victims of LGBT hate crime that still happens daily, not in far flung lands but right here, right now |
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"Honestly OP I would quit while you are allowed in the forums or even on the site. This isn’t an arguement that you can win. His use of the word was wrong and it is wrong in any circumstance. "
Have you never uttered the likes of - knob, prick, wanker, tosser etc to yourself? I certainly have. |
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"Honestly OP I would quit while you are allowed in the forums or even on the site. This isn’t an arguement that you can win. His use of the word was wrong and it is wrong in any circumstance.
Have you never uttered the likes of - knob, prick, wanker, tosser etc to yourself? I certainly have. "
None of those are a homophobic insult!! |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
It bothers me because its use affects me and a good deal of my friends
To use it so casually reflects that those unaffected by it don't understand it's context and negative impact on millions of people, both now and historically
It is easy to bandy about words that don't affect you and pass them off as if they are nothing
History tells me otherwise
And before you go down that line, do not even begin to suggest that is in the past and that being LGBT is acceptable these days
Tell that to the victims of LGBT hate crime that still happens daily, not in far flung lands but right here, right now "
But I bet your friends use it, and similar to each other. |
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"Honestly OP I would quit while you are allowed in the forums or even on the site. This isn’t an arguement that you can win. His use of the word was wrong and it is wrong in any circumstance.
Have you never uttered the likes of - knob, prick, wanker, tosser etc to yourself? I certainly have.
So, it’s only homophobic terms that cause offence? If I aggressively called you a cunt, would you be offended?
None of those are a homophobic insult!!"
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
It bothers me because its use affects me and a good deal of my friends
To use it so casually reflects that those unaffected by it don't understand it's context and negative impact on millions of people, both now and historically
It is easy to bandy about words that don't affect you and pass them off as if they are nothing
History tells me otherwise
And before you go down that line, do not even begin to suggest that is in the past and that being LGBT is acceptable these days
Tell that to the victims of LGBT hate crime that still happens daily, not in far flung lands but right here, right now
But I bet your friends use it, and similar to each other."
My friends? Certainly not. |
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By *ee04Man
over a year ago
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If I did this in my workplace I would be lucky to keep my job.
The way the law works, well in this country is that it does not matter if the words/gesture etc was aimed at anyone. If some one who heard or saw it found it offensive, then they are offended and can raise a grievance.
But that said we have a prime minister who has used more offensive terms and nothing is done.
For me it’s sticks and stones and I don’t care what people say about me.
However Justin was wrong and RL did not want to be associated with him any longer their choice as when I last looked it’s a free world |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
It bothers me because its use affects me and a good deal of my friends
To use it so casually reflects that those unaffected by it don't understand it's context and negative impact on millions of people, both now and historically
It is easy to bandy about words that don't affect you and pass them off as if they are nothing
History tells me otherwise
And before you go down that line, do not even begin to suggest that is in the past and that being LGBT is acceptable these days
Tell that to the victims of LGBT hate crime that still happens daily, not in far flung lands but right here, right now
But I bet your friends use it, and similar to each other."
You are wrong about that too |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
It bothers me because its use affects me and a good deal of my friends
To use it so casually reflects that those unaffected by it don't understand it's context and negative impact on millions of people, both now and historically
It is easy to bandy about words that don't affect you and pass them off as if they are nothing
History tells me otherwise
And before you go down that line, do not even begin to suggest that is in the past and that being LGBT is acceptable these days
Tell that to the victims of LGBT hate crime that still happens daily, not in far flung lands but right here, right now
But I bet your friends use it, and similar to each other.
My friends? Certainly not."
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"Honestly OP I would quit while you are allowed in the forums or even on the site. This isn’t an arguement that you can win. His use of the word was wrong and it is wrong in any circumstance. "
I don’t agree with him but I don’t think he has done anything wrong to get thrown of the site.Everyone is entitled to an opinion regardless of if you agree or not.
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By (user no longer on site)
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He was so annoyed with his mistake he insulted himself. The insult he used, which presumably he used because he sees it as an insult, was a word used to negatively describe a guy man.
He is in a position pf so.e influence, given his celebrity. To accept his use of that word legitimises the use of that word. In turn that increases the chance of that word being used to describe 'people like' me.
Link that in with the historic prejudice, injustices and violence towards 'people like me and you might just start to get an idea of the offence that could be caused.
Given his sponsor is a fashion brand, and that the fashion industry has a lot of 'people like me represented within it, surely you can see why he was dropped? |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
It bothers me because its use affects me and a good deal of my friends
To use it so casually reflects that those unaffected by it don't understand it's context and negative impact on millions of people, both now and historically
It is easy to bandy about words that don't affect you and pass them off as if they are nothing
History tells me otherwise
And before you go down that line, do not even begin to suggest that is in the past and that being LGBT is acceptable these days
Tell that to the victims of LGBT hate crime that still happens daily, not in far flung lands but right here, right now
But I bet your friends use it, and similar to each other.
My friends? Certainly not.
If they were American?"
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
It bothers me because its use affects me and a good deal of my friends
To use it so casually reflects that those unaffected by it don't understand it's context and negative impact on millions of people, both now and historically
It is easy to bandy about words that don't affect you and pass them off as if they are nothing
History tells me otherwise
And before you go down that line, do not even begin to suggest that is in the past and that being LGBT is acceptable these days
Tell that to the victims of LGBT hate crime that still happens daily, not in far flung lands but right here, right now
But I bet your friends use it, and similar to each other.
My friends? Certainly not.
If they were American?"
No
Stop trying to excuse it
It was wrong
He hasn't even tried to defend it himself
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"Honestly OP I would quit while you are allowed in the forums or even on the site. This isn’t an arguement that you can win. His use of the word was wrong and it is wrong in any circumstance. I don’t agree with him but I don’t think he has done anything wrong to get thrown of the site.Everyone is entitled to an opinion regardless of if you agree or not."
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"Honestly OP I would quit while you are allowed in the forums or even on the site. This isn’t an arguement that you can win. His use of the word was wrong and it is wrong in any circumstance. I don’t agree with him but I don’t think he has done anything wrong to get thrown of the site.Everyone is entitled to an opinion regardless of if you agree or not."
They are, and so far nothing has been said directly to justify a ban. So far it is a debate.
We can all read between the lines as to the underlying motivation, but that is a different matter x |
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No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice. |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
It bothers me because its use affects me and a good deal of my friends
To use it so casually reflects that those unaffected by it don't understand it's context and negative impact on millions of people, both now and historically
It is easy to bandy about words that don't affect you and pass them off as if they are nothing
History tells me otherwise
And before you go down that line, do not even begin to suggest that is in the past and that being LGBT is acceptable these days
Tell that to the victims of LGBT hate crime that still happens daily, not in far flung lands but right here, right now
But I bet your friends use it, and similar to each other.
My friends? Certainly not.
If they were American?
No
Stop trying to excuse it
It was wrong
He hasn't even tried to defend it himself
The last thing he needs is you fighting his corner "
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"Honestly OP I would quit while you are allowed in the forums or even on the site. This isn’t an arguement that you can win. His use of the word was wrong and it is wrong in any circumstance. I don’t agree with him but I don’t think he has done anything wrong to get thrown of the site.Everyone is entitled to an opinion regardless of if you agree or not.
They are, and so far nothing has been said directly to justify a ban. So far it is a debate.
We can all read between the lines as to the underlying motivation, but that is a different matter x"
Underlying motivation? |
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice."
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
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"Honestly OP I would quit while you are allowed in the forums or even on the site. This isn’t an arguement that you can win. His use of the word was wrong and it is wrong in any circumstance. I don’t agree with him but I don’t think he has done anything wrong to get thrown of the site.Everyone is entitled to an opinion regardless of if you agree or not.
They are, and so far nothing has been said directly to justify a ban. So far it is a debate.
We can all read between the lines as to the underlying motivation, but that is a different matter x
Underlying motivation? "
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice."
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone."
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"Honestly OP I would quit while you are allowed in the forums or even on the site. This isn’t an arguement that you can win. His use of the word was wrong and it is wrong in any circumstance. I don’t agree with him but I don’t think he has done anything wrong to get thrown of the site.Everyone is entitled to an opinion regardless of if you agree or not.
They are, and so far nothing has been said directly to justify a ban. So far it is a debate.
We can all read between the lines as to the underlying motivation, but that is a different matter x
Underlying motivation?
Indeed "
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significant as a cause or basis of something but not necessarily manifest or obvious.
Motivation: noun
a reason or reasons for acting or behaving in a particular way.
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"He's a public figure and a brand. His actions have damged his brand and so sponsors have chosen to take a stand and prevent damage to their brand in turn.
It seeems reasonable to me, and if they hadn't of acted then they would most likely have been criticised. I won't boycott any brand for standing up for human rights.
What the heck has human rights got to do with it?"
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone."
That's... cute. |
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone.
Do you have that view of the N word also?"
What’s that got to do with it? |
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone.
That's... cute."
Mot entirely accurate. But cute.
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"He's a public figure and a brand. His actions have damged his brand and so sponsors have chosen to take a stand and prevent damage to their brand in turn.
It seeems reasonable to me, and if they hadn't of acted then they would most likely have been criticised. I won't boycott any brand for standing up for human rights.
What the heck has human rights got to do with it?
He used a homophobic term and sexual orientation is a protected characteristic in all human rights laws. "
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone.
Do you have that view of the N word also?
What’s that got to do with it?"
Oh you innocent thing. You really don't see it? |
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"Honestly OP I would quit while you are allowed in the forums or even on the site. This isn’t an arguement that you can win. His use of the word was wrong and it is wrong in any circumstance. I don’t agree with him but I don’t think he has done anything wrong to get thrown of the site.Everyone is entitled to an opinion regardless of if you agree or not.
They are, and so far nothing has been said directly to justify a ban. So far it is a debate.
We can all read between the lines as to the underlying motivation, but that is a different matter x
Underlying motivation?
Indeed
Underlying: adjective
significant as a cause or basis of something but not necessarily manifest or obvious.
Motivation: noun
a reason or reasons for acting or behaving in a particular way.
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Well if he is a good golfer I am sure he don’t be that bothered with the loss of sponsorship from 1 company.
I gather he is a high ranked player so probably has money coming out his asshole anyway from earnings.
He will apologise , give it 6 months he will have a new sponsor and the meat grinder spins ever onwards .
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over a year ago
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"He was so annoyed with his mistake he insulted himself. The insult he used, which presumably he used because he sees it as an insult, was a word used to negatively describe a guy man.
He is in a position pf so.e influence, given his celebrity. To accept his use of that word legitimises the use of that word. In turn that increases the chance of that word being used to describe 'people like' me.
Link that in with the historic prejudice, injustices and violence towards 'people like me and you might just start to get an idea of the offence that could be caused.
Given his sponsor is a fashion brand, and that the fashion industry has a lot of 'people like me represented within it, surely you can see why he was dropped?"
Beautifully put. An expensive mistake on the golfer's part. Hopefully the discussion around this incident will enlighten many on why this word should not be being used. |
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone.
Do you have that view of the N word also?
What’s that got to do with it?"
You say a homophobic slur is ok if not directed at someone.
I'm wondering...
..does this mean that racist slurs are acceptable if not directed at someone? |
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"He was so annoyed with his mistake he insulted himself. The insult he used, which presumably he used because he sees it as an insult, was a word used to negatively describe a guy man.
He is in a position pf so.e influence, given his celebrity. To accept his use of that word legitimises the use of that word. In turn that increases the chance of that word being used to describe 'people like' me.
Link that in with the historic prejudice, injustices and violence towards 'people like me and you might just start to get an idea of the offence that could be caused.
Given his sponsor is a fashion brand, and that the fashion industry has a lot of 'people like me represented within it, surely you can see why he was dropped?
Beautifully put. An expensive mistake on the golfer's part. Hopefully the discussion around this incident will enlighten many on why this word should not be being used."
I fear it won't reach those it needs to.
The polarisation will no doubt continue. |
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"I’m off to burn all of my Ralph Lauren stuff as we speak. In protest you understand.
Justice for Justin! "
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"I’m off to burn all of my Ralph Lauren stuff as we speak. In protest you understand.
Justice for Justin! "
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"Well if he is a good golfer I am sure he don’t be that bothered with the loss of sponsorship from 1 company.
I gather he is a high ranked player so probably has money coming out his asshole anyway from earnings.
He will apologise , give it 6 months he will have a new sponsor and the meat grinder spins ever onwards .
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The article I read says he apologised many times.
I don't think his entire life should be destroyed over one mistake. |
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"I’m off to burn all of my Ralph Lauren stuff as we speak. In protest you understand.
Justice for Justin! "
I believe we have seen Justice for poor hard done by Justin. |
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone.
Do you have that view of the N word also?
What’s that got to do with it?
You say a homophobic slur is ok if not directed at someone.
I'm wondering...
..does this mean that racist slurs are acceptable if not directed at someone?"
Not really relevant and of course a racist or homophobic slur is totally unacceptable. |
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"Well if he is a good golfer I am sure he don’t be that bothered with the loss of sponsorship from 1 company.
I gather he is a high ranked player so probably has money coming out his asshole anyway from earnings.
He will apologise , give it 6 months he will have a new sponsor and the meat grinder spins ever onwards .
The article I read says he apologised many times.
I don't think his entire life should be destroyed over one mistake. "
It hasn't been. He's lost a sponsor.
That's natural consequences. |
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"Well if he is a good golfer I am sure he don’t be that bothered with the loss of sponsorship from 1 company.
I gather he is a high ranked player so probably has money coming out his asshole anyway from earnings.
He will apologise , give it 6 months he will have a new sponsor and the meat grinder spins ever onwards .
The article I read says he apologised many times.
I don't think his entire life should be destroyed over one mistake. "
It won’t affect him career wise Little slap wrist and new sponser by summer. I mean if he came out as gay or bi then could claim he is owning the word . |
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone.
Do you have that view of the N word also?
What’s that got to do with it?
You say a homophobic slur is ok if not directed at someone.
I'm wondering...
..does this mean that racist slurs are acceptable if not directed at someone?
Not really relevant and of course a racist or homophobic slur is totally unacceptable. "
Thank you.
Then surely you can see he was in the wrong.
I used this example to show why using this word is wrong, regardless of whether it was aimed at someone or not. |
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"The article I read says he apologised many times.
I don't think his entire life should be destroyed over one mistake. "
He has earnt almost $40,000,000 according to ESPN http://www.espn.com/golf/moneylist/_/tour/alltime So Idon't think his life will be ruined. If he's that put out by it he could always use some of his cash to buy his own clothes |
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone.
Do you have that view of the N word also?
What’s that got to do with it?
You say a homophobic slur is ok if not directed at someone.
I'm wondering...
..does this mean that racist slurs are acceptable if not directed at someone?
Not really relevant and of course a racist or homophobic slur is totally unacceptable.
Thank you.
Then surely you can see he was in the wrong.
I used this example to show why using this word is wrong, regardless of whether it was aimed at someone or not."
Context and intent is all. |
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha "
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here |
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone.
Do you have that view of the N word also?
What’s that got to do with it?
You say a homophobic slur is ok if not directed at someone.
I'm wondering...
..does this mean that racist slurs are acceptable if not directed at someone?
Not really relevant and of course a racist or homophobic slur is totally unacceptable.
Thank you.
Then surely you can see he was in the wrong.
I used this example to show why using this word is wrong, regardless of whether it was aimed at someone or not.
Context and intent is all."
That's part of it.
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here "
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended. "
But every one heard it. And plenty were. |
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here
Don’t you dare call yourself an idiot. You idiotist."
I accept my failing, and shall work to address it.
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha "
I'd never heard of this guy until this thread.
Flaming leftie here |
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
I'd never heard of this guy until this thread.
Flaming leftie here "
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
I'd never heard of this guy until this thread.
Flaming leftie here
So agreement across the political divide? Amazing what grown ups can achieve! "
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
I'd never heard of this guy until this thread.
Flaming leftie here
So agreement across the political divide? Amazing what grown ups can achieve!
I'm sure we can disagree about other things, with mutual respect, later "
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Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here "
It certainly doesn’t need to be debated in public. I do get where you are coming from and to a certain extent I have been ‘the Devils avocado’. A public debate would achieve nothing. Those that it would be aimed at wouldn’t listen. Thankfully a tiny minority |
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The American college boys seem to love that word, I seem to remember Patrick Reed saying something similar and getting his wrist slapped.
Yes we all call ourselves (possibly offensive) names when we mess up, but our rant is not broadcast around the world..
JT put his hand up and apologised, knew it was wrong etc and now may also get a hefty fine from the pga.
Instead of f..g..t Justin could easily have claimed to say 'fuck it' but owned the (offensive )former word.
All Justin needs to do now is some kinda benefit for gay/lesbian etc community and Ralph Lauren may sponsor him again...At present no one else has dropped their sponsorship.
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I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone.
Do you have that view of the N word also?
What’s that got to do with it?
You say a homophobic slur is ok if not directed at someone.
I'm wondering...
..does this mean that racist slurs are acceptable if not directed at someone?
Not really relevant and of course a racist or homophobic slur is totally unacceptable. "
Both those words are a derogatory way of referring to people. Either black or gay...mits exactly the same way..what if he called himself a re@#rd? Would that be ok ? |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone.
Do you have that view of the N word also?
What’s that got to do with it?
You say a homophobic slur is ok if not directed at someone.
I'm wondering...
..does this mean that racist slurs are acceptable if not directed at someone?
Not really relevant and of course a racist or homophobic slur is totally unacceptable.
Thank you.
Then surely you can see he was in the wrong.
I used this example to show why using this word is wrong, regardless of whether it was aimed at someone or not.
Context and intent is all."
Yes and the context is there.
Situation: he used a WORD to insult himself. Directed at nobody but himself.
Problem: The word he used is a word that is used as a homophobic insult.
Context: one of the few cases that needs very little to no context to be able to but in the perspective.
Since he used a word that has ties to homosexuality, and that it is indeed an insult implying homosexuality is wrong in those terms. No other context is needed.
Personally I'm not offended by any words that are not directed at me. I do not got offended on behalf of others. They are just words.
I do however have compassion for those that have direct ties to what such words are implying and why they are offended and understand fully and deeply that there are times and places for words. |
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here
It certainly doesn’t need to be debated in public. I do get where you are coming from and to a certain extent I have been ‘the Devils avocado’. A public debate would achieve nothing. Those that it would be aimed at wouldn’t listen. Thankfully a tiny minority "
You have avocadoed very convincingly.
I do, however believe the issue is bigger and wider than one golfer's muttered stupidity. Until these issues are debated and understood, I will be just another tr#nny f#ggot. Legitimise the word, legitimise the sentiment, legitimise the violence. |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
Because I don't want to live in a society where anyone is subject to that sort of hatred.
Hatred?"
Come and live my life Op , I'm trans and have lived and worked in my female gender for ten years. In that time I have been spat at, called evey homo/transphobic name you care to name
I have suffered physical violence.
There are occasions even now where people will look at me like I'm something of the bottom of their shoe.
Then you will see there is no place for these kind of slurs however there used. |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
Because I don't want to live in a society where anyone is subject to that sort of hatred.
Hatred?
Come and live my life Op , I'm trans and have lived and worked in my female gender for ten years. In that time I have been spat at, called evey homo/transphobic name you care to name
I have suffered physical violence.
There are occasions even now where people will look at me like I'm something of the bottom of their shoe.
Then you will see there is no place for these kind of slurs however there used."
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
Why on earth would use of that word bother you? Unless it was aimed at you?
Because I don't want to live in a society where anyone is subject to that sort of hatred.
Hatred?
Come and live my life Op , I'm trans and have lived and worked in my female gender for ten years. In that time I have been spat at, called evey homo/transphobic name you care to name
I have suffered physical violence.
There are occasions even now where people will look at me like I'm something of the bottom of their shoe.
Then you will see there is no place for these kind of slurs however there used."
My sentiments exactly
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool "
The fact that he used the word at all meant:
A) he knew the meaning of the word and it’s context..
B) it’s not the first time he has used the word in that context....
There are lots of very descriptive words and I think I am old enough and sensible enough to know which ones I can and cannot used... so if that is his emotional go to vocabulary... this will be an expensive reminder |
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"Do you think whst he said was acceptable?
He said it to himself, how can it be unacceptable? At some time we’ve all admonished ourselves - tit, prick, wanker, tosser, tart. Just a few of the ‘milder’ things I’ve called myself.
I can’t believe for a second that any member of the gay community were offended.
I wasn't aware of him
I wasn't aware of the story
I am aware of the term
I find it offensive - as it is usually used negatively and in aggression
The fact he used it, suggests it is his 'go to' phrase for venting annoyance
That isn't positive
It has no place in professional sport
Also, most of the other terms you use (with the exception of tart) are non-specific
I've been called all of them and it is water off a ducks back
There is something about 'faggot' that is personal, deeply personal
Don't project your feelings on how I should feel about its use
It isn't cool
The fact that he used the word at all meant:
A) he knew the meaning of the word and it’s context..
B) it’s not the first time he has used the word in that context....
There are lots of very descriptive words and I think I am old enough and sensible enough to know which ones I can and cannot used... so if that is his emotional go to vocabulary... this will be an expensive reminder "
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People who are in the public eye with sponsorship contracts do need to be aware of their responsibilities and what they have agreed to for money.
There are relics of homophobia around, including in some sports, that we need to address.
OP do what you want |
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here
It certainly doesn’t need to be debated in public. I do get where you are coming from and to a certain extent I have been ‘the Devils avocado’. A public debate would achieve nothing. Those that it would be aimed at wouldn’t listen. Thankfully a tiny minority
You have avocadoed very convincingly.
I do, however believe the issue is bigger and wider than one golfer's muttered stupidity. Until these issues are debated and understood, I will be just another tr#nny f#ggot. Legitimise the word, legitimise the sentiment, legitimise the violence."
... saying the LGBT Community wouldn't listen, referring to the LGBT community as 'thankfully a tiny minority' shows how off the mark you are on this subject
I don't buy the Devils Advocate line one bit
I won't be told what I should (and shouldn't) be offended by by someone that it doesn't affect and someone that is part of the problem |
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"I'm not convinced about the devil's advocate bit, either. "
I allowed benefit of the doubt.
Its a tiny step towards acceptance that the argument is floundering |
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What a fascinating thread. Well done everyone. Great read.
I wonder how much money you've spent on Lauren OP? Burning it seems strange to me. I've got a few gorgeous Hugo Boss pieces and was gutted to find out he was an actual Nazi, but I'll be fucked if I'm gonna destroy them having since found out.
The conclusion I'm taking from this discussion is that if giving someone a mild slap on the wrist for being a bit of a cunt is a leftie idea then I'm happy to be that way inclined.  |
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"What a fascinating thread. Well done everyone. Great read.
I wonder how much money you've spent on Lauren OP? Burning it seems strange to me. I've got a few gorgeous Hugo Boss pieces and was gutted to find out he was an actual Nazi, but I'll be fucked if I'm gonna destroy them having since found out.
The conclusion I'm taking from this discussion is that if giving someone a mild slap on the wrist for being a bit of a cunt is a leftie idea then I'm happy to be that way inclined. "
Cunt? How dare you use such an offensive word. |
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here
It certainly doesn’t need to be debated in public. I do get where you are coming from and to a certain extent I have been ‘the Devils avocado’. A public debate would achieve nothing. Those that it would be aimed at wouldn’t listen. Thankfully a tiny minority
You have avocadoed very convincingly.
I do, however believe the issue is bigger and wider than one golfer's muttered stupidity. Until these issues are debated and understood, I will be just another tr#nny f#ggot. Legitimise the word, legitimise the sentiment, legitimise the violence.
... saying the LGBT Community wouldn't listen, referring to the LGBT community as 'thankfully a tiny minority' shows how off the mark you are on this subject
I don't buy the Devils Advocate line one bit
I won't be told what I should (and shouldn't) be offended by by someone that it doesn't affect and someone that is part of the problem"
Now you are just spouting cliche garbage. |
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here
It certainly doesn’t need to be debated in public. I do get where you are coming from and to a certain extent I have been ‘the Devils avocado’. A public debate would achieve nothing. Those that it would be aimed at wouldn’t listen. Thankfully a tiny minority
You have avocadoed very convincingly.
I do, however believe the issue is bigger and wider than one golfer's muttered stupidity. Until these issues are debated and understood, I will be just another tr#nny f#ggot. Legitimise the word, legitimise the sentiment, legitimise the violence.
... saying the LGBT Community wouldn't listen, referring to the LGBT community as 'thankfully a tiny minority' shows how off the mark you are on this subject
I don't buy the Devils Advocate line one bit
I won't be told what I should (and shouldn't) be offended by by someone that it doesn't affect and someone that is part of the problem
Now you are just spouting cliche garbage. "
What is cliché?
What is garbage? |
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here
It certainly doesn’t need to be debated in public. I do get where you are coming from and to a certain extent I have been ‘the Devils avocado’. A public debate would achieve nothing. Those that it would be aimed at wouldn’t listen. Thankfully a tiny minority
You have avocadoed very convincingly.
I do, however believe the issue is bigger and wider than one golfer's muttered stupidity. Until these issues are debated and understood, I will be just another tr#nny f#ggot. Legitimise the word, legitimise the sentiment, legitimise the violence.
... saying the LGBT Community wouldn't listen, referring to the LGBT community as 'thankfully a tiny minority' shows how off the mark you are on this subject
I don't buy the Devils Advocate line one bit
I won't be told what I should (and shouldn't) be offended by by someone that it doesn't affect and someone that is part of the problem
Now you are just spouting cliche garbage.
What is cliché?
What is garbage? "
Your last post. Keep up fella. |
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here
It certainly doesn’t need to be debated in public. I do get where you are coming from and to a certain extent I have been ‘the Devils avocado’. A public debate would achieve nothing. Those that it would be aimed at wouldn’t listen. Thankfully a tiny minority
You have avocadoed very convincingly.
I do, however believe the issue is bigger and wider than one golfer's muttered stupidity. Until these issues are debated and understood, I will be just another tr#nny f#ggot. Legitimise the word, legitimise the sentiment, legitimise the violence.
... saying the LGBT Community wouldn't listen, referring to the LGBT community as 'thankfully a tiny minority' shows how off the mark you are on this subject
I don't buy the Devils Advocate line one bit
I won't be told what I should (and shouldn't) be offended by by someone that it doesn't affect and someone that is part of the problem
Now you are just spouting cliche garbage.
What is cliché?
What is garbage?
Your last post. Keep up fella. "
I realise that
I was asking you why you regard it clichéd garbage |
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here
It certainly doesn’t need to be debated in public. I do get where you are coming from and to a certain extent I have been ‘the Devils avocado’. A public debate would achieve nothing. Those that it would be aimed at wouldn’t listen. Thankfully a tiny minority
You have avocadoed very convincingly.
I do, however believe the issue is bigger and wider than one golfer's muttered stupidity. Until these issues are debated and understood, I will be just another tr#nny f#ggot. Legitimise the word, legitimise the sentiment, legitimise the violence.
... saying the LGBT Community wouldn't listen, referring to the LGBT community as 'thankfully a tiny minority' shows how off the mark you are on this subject
I don't buy the Devils Advocate line one bit
I won't be told what I should (and shouldn't) be offended by by someone that it doesn't affect and someone that is part of the problem
Now you are just spouting cliche garbage.
What is cliché?
What is garbage?
Your last post. Keep up fella.
I realise that
I was asking you why you regard it clichéd garbage"
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here
It certainly doesn’t need to be debated in public. I do get where you are coming from and to a certain extent I have been ‘the Devils avocado’. A public debate would achieve nothing. Those that it would be aimed at wouldn’t listen. Thankfully a tiny minority
You have avocadoed very convincingly.
I do, however believe the issue is bigger and wider than one golfer's muttered stupidity. Until these issues are debated and understood, I will be just another tr#nny f#ggot. Legitimise the word, legitimise the sentiment, legitimise the violence.
... saying the LGBT Community wouldn't listen, referring to the LGBT community as 'thankfully a tiny minority' shows how off the mark you are on this subject
I don't buy the Devils Advocate line one bit
I won't be told what I should (and shouldn't) be offended by by someone that it doesn't affect and someone that is part of the problem
Now you are just spouting cliche garbage.
What is cliché?
What is garbage?
Your last post. Keep up fella. "
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"No one would have batted a eye if he had called himself a twat,Wanker,cunt etc but he used a homophobic slur regardless of the fact he was calling himself one.I don’t think Ralph Lauren had any choice.
I manage to use all sorts of language, including obscene language, without using bigoted language.
It can only be bigoted if aimed at someone.
Do you have that view of the N word also?
What’s that got to do with it?
You say a homophobic slur is ok if not directed at someone.
I'm wondering...
..does this mean that racist slurs are acceptable if not directed at someone?
Not really relevant and of course a racist or homophobic slur is totally unacceptable.
Thank you.
Then surely you can see he was in the wrong.
I used this example to show why using this word is wrong, regardless of whether it was aimed at someone or not.
Context and intent is all."
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here
It certainly doesn’t need to be debated in public. I do get where you are coming from and to a certain extent I have been ‘the Devils avocado’. A public debate would achieve nothing. Those that it would be aimed at wouldn’t listen. Thankfully a tiny minority
You have avocadoed very convincingly.
I do, however believe the issue is bigger and wider than one golfer's muttered stupidity. Until these issues are debated and understood, I will be just another tr#nny f#ggot. Legitimise the word, legitimise the sentiment, legitimise the violence.
... saying the LGBT Community wouldn't listen, referring to the LGBT community as 'thankfully a tiny minority' shows how off the mark you are on this subject
I don't buy the Devils Advocate line one bit
I won't be told what I should (and shouldn't) be offended by by someone that it doesn't affect and someone that is part of the problem
Now you are just spouting cliche garbage.
What is cliché?
What is garbage?
Your last post. Keep up fella.
I realise that
I was asking you why you regard it clichéd garbage
Read it again, then question why you even got involved in this thread."
No
You made the statement
Explain it to me
I know why I'm here and I stand 100% behind every comment made
You have done nothing to explain why I am wrong in doing so
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"I wouldnt of heard of this guy and his views unless leftist idiots didnt do the advertising for him. Clever bunch they dont agree but give him the limelight haha
Or maybe, just maybe, the issue needs to be debated in public.
Slightly right of centre idiot here
It certainly doesn’t need to be debated in public. I do get where you are coming from and to a certain extent I have been ‘the Devils avocado’. A public debate would achieve nothing. Those that it would be aimed at wouldn’t listen. Thankfully a tiny minority
You have avocadoed very convincingly.
I do, however believe the issue is bigger and wider than one golfer's muttered stupidity. Until these issues are debated and understood, I will be just another tr#nny f#ggot. Legitimise the word, legitimise the sentiment, legitimise the violence.
... saying the LGBT Community wouldn't listen, referring to the LGBT community as 'thankfully a tiny minority' shows how off the mark you are on this subject
I don't buy the Devils Advocate line one bit
I won't be told what I should (and shouldn't) be offended by by someone that it doesn't affect and someone that is part of the problem
Now you are just spouting cliche garbage.
What is cliché?
What is garbage?
Your last post. Keep up fella.
I realise that
I was asking you why you regard it clichéd garbage
Read it again, then question why you even got involved in this thread."
Because he wanted to, I presume.
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Bigotry is wrong.
Playing twee games with semantics might be fun but doesn't actually address anything, let alone improve it.
Playing disingenuous games whilst at the samectime appearing to excuse bigoted language and/or behaviour is wrong however you want to spin it.
OP. Congratulations lots of people have noticed you. Well done. You are obviously very clever.
I for one am done here now.
Will probably go and fart against a brick wall or something. I will likely get just as far doing so.
I wish you well.
Peace, love.
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