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over a year ago
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There are social injustices in life and awareness and correction is fine.
But is the woke movement getting too stupid now?
Just heard about people kicking off over a radox muscle relax shower gel specifically for men, saying it's sexiest.
Wtf?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The next thing they'll want jockey straps for women too "
It's getting stupid now.
If a lipstick advert shows a women putting on lipstick, is it sexiest?
Men wear lipstick also.
The world has gone nuts |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm surprised there isn't political pressure trying to force advertising to refer to men as 'testicle owners'."
But then the eunuchs would kick off.
There's no end to this |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Men’s shower are named after abstract concepts such as ‘Turbo sport fresh’ women’s be like ‘lavender and primrose loveliness’"
Also, women like a manly smelling man from what I gather. Surely if showergels ended up unisex say then likely the smell would too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm surprised there isn't political pressure trying to force advertising to refer to men as 'testicle owners'.
But then the eunuchs would kick off.
There's no end to this "
There's always someone ready to kick off, it's tiresome.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Men’s shower are named after abstract concepts such as ‘Turbo sport fresh’ women’s be like ‘lavender and primrose loveliness’"
Ahh but what about the men who like to smell of lavender and use bath salts and candles in the bath.
Woke! |
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It’s utterly ridiculous and the biggest threat to free speech we’ve seen in the modern era. All in the name of supposedly promoting tolerance, yet it is those same people who are intolerant of all that possess views different from their own. Hope to see a big push back in the years ahead. |
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"Men’s shower are named after abstract concepts such as ‘Turbo sport fresh’ women’s be like ‘lavender and primrose loveliness’
Ahh but what about the men who like to smell of lavender and use bath salts and candles in the bath.
Woke!"
That be a special occasion, when a man just wants to be pampered for a day lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm surprised there isn't political pressure trying to force advertising to refer to men as 'testicle owners'.
But then the eunuchs would kick off.
There's no end to this
There's always someone ready to kick off, it's tiresome...."
Exactly.
And this is the point of my thread.
Woke has now been taken to the extreme and nothing is safe anymore |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Men’s shower are named after abstract concepts such as ‘Turbo sport fresh’ women’s be like ‘lavender and primrose loveliness’
Ahh but what about the men who like to smell of lavender and use bath salts and candles in the bath.
Woke!"
And listen to Kenny G, those guys ?! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"All I want to see, is fair and balanced advertising, that reflects real life.
Many adverts are swinging away from this. "
I agree.
But the pressure not to offend people has been taken too far now.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It’s utterly ridiculous and the biggest threat to free speech we’ve seen in the modern era. All in the name of supposedly promoting tolerance, yet it is those same people who are intolerant of all that possess views different from their own. Hope to see a big push back in the years ahead. "
Completely agree.
We won't be able to speak or saying soon because it will upset someone.
Obviously some things are not on, racism etc, but to complain about a shower gel for being sexist?
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"Men’s shower are named after abstract concepts such as ‘Turbo sport fresh’ women’s be like ‘lavender and primrose loveliness’
Also, women like a manly smelling man from what I gather. Surely if showergels ended up unisex say then likely the smell would too. "
I'm puzzled by the ones that declare 48hrs protection, does that mean they don't wash for two days? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Men’s shower are named after abstract concepts such as ‘Turbo sport fresh’ women’s be like ‘lavender and primrose loveliness’
Ahh but what about the men who like to smell of lavender and use bath salts and candles in the bath.
Woke!
And listen to Kenny G, those guys ?!"
Don't upset the Kenny G fans.
That would be woke!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hubby will buy anything that says it comes with ‘added plus’ etc lol
Of course if he accidentally touches my scented lovely things then he will melt into a puddle never to be seen again  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Hubby will buy anything that says it comes with ‘added plus’ etc lol
Of course if he accidentally touches my scented lovely things then he will melt into a puddle never to be seen again "
Don't worry, the way things are going all products will have no labels, no packaging and come in a brown box so as not to offend |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Men’s shower are named after abstract concepts such as ‘Turbo sport fresh’ women’s be like ‘lavender and primrose loveliness’
Also, women like a manly smelling man from what I gather. Surely if showergels ended up unisex say then likely the smell would too.
I'm puzzled by the ones that declare 48hrs protection, does that mean they don't wash for two days? "
It discriminates and highlights those who don't wash.
Ban the 48 hour deodorant!
Woke! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Some people need to get a life if they getting trigger over shower gel for a man that’s a bit off a odd one "
Completely agree sis.
It's getting far too stupid now |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Some people need to get a life if they getting trigger over shower gel for a man that’s a bit off a odd one
Completely agree sis.
It's getting far too stupid now "
1000% is sis far to stupid x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Men’s shower are named after abstract concepts such as ‘Turbo sport fresh’ women’s be like ‘lavender and primrose loveliness’
Ahh but what about the men who like to smell of lavender and use bath salts and candles in the bath.
Woke!
That be a special occasion, when a man just wants to be pampered for a day lol "
So why isn't there products for men for special pamper days?
Why not?
Where's the adverts?
Woke! |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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I find the more lurid claims about people claiming something is an 'ist' to usually come from one tweet and then massively blown out of proportion.
The Sun and the Daily Fail sure do love an anti-woke headline. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I find the more lurid claims about people claiming something is an 'ist' to usually come from one tweet and then massively blown out of proportion.
The Sun and the Daily Fail sure do love an anti-woke headline. "
Yes, social media plays a huge part in fueling this stuff  |
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What I read was that the men version used words such as powerful, strong, sporty and heroic (not sure how a shower gel makes you any of those things). Whilst the female version used words such as to look glam or fabulous. So I don't think the original objection was to the labelling of male just the descriptive words where men are supposed to be all powerful and women should care about looks. Which yeah is casual sexism
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are social injustices in life and awareness and correction is fine.
But is the woke movement getting too stupid now?
Just heard about people kicking off over a radox muscle relax shower gel specifically for men, saying it's sexiest.
Wtf?
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I would love to know who has the time energy and inclination to kick off over this stuff....Like wtf, in the middle of one of the biggests crisis in our era and people are getting up the arse about shower gel, people getting offended for the sake of being offended on behalf of someone else! Who isn't that offended about it I guess |
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"Men’s shower are named after abstract concepts such as ‘Turbo sport fresh’ women’s be like ‘lavender and primrose loveliness’
Ahh but what about the men who like to smell of lavender and use bath salts and candles in the bath.
Woke!"
Thats metrosexual I think. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What I read was that the men version used words such as powerful, strong, sporty and heroic (not sure how a shower gel makes you any of those things). Whilst the female version used words such as to look glam or fabulous. So I don't think the original objection was to the labelling of male just the descriptive words where men are supposed to be all powerful and women should care about looks. Which yeah is casual sexism
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But there's no end to it
Gillette razors "the best a man can get"
Women taking offence because they use them also. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I would love to know who has the time energy and inclination to kick off over this stuff....Like wtf, in the middle of one of the biggests crisis in our era and people are getting up the arse about shower gel, people getting offended for the sake of being offended on behalf of someone else! Who isn't that offended about it I guess "
Exactly.
The world's gone nuts |
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"What I read was that the men version used words such as powerful, strong, sporty and heroic (not sure how a shower gel makes you any of those things). Whilst the female version used words such as to look glam or fabulous. So I don't think the original objection was to the labelling of male just the descriptive words where men are supposed to be all powerful and women should care about looks. Which yeah is casual sexism
But there's no end to it
Gillette razors "the best a man can get"
Women taking offence because they use them also. "
I don't take offense to using men razors they're generally cheaper. I do having to pay more for the same product just because it's pink though. Why are more inspiring words used for men? Whilst us women are supposed to be valued on our looks alone? |
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over a year ago
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"As always ridiculousness like this detracts from the real issues that still exist such as unequal pay and racism. True woke focusses on what really matters not nonsense like this. "
That's a very important point.
The issues that do matter get swallowed up in all the rubbish.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes, sadly it has become polarised and extreme, and the term ‘woke’ is now weaponised to aim at anyone who raises social justice issues by those more towards the right end of the political spectrum.
Spiral dynamics is a really good vehicle for understanding what is happening and why...... |
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"There are social injustices in life and awareness and correction is fine.
But is the woke movement getting too stupid now?
Just heard about people kicking off over a radox muscle relax shower gel specifically for men, saying it's sexiest.
Wtf?
I would love to know who has the time energy and inclination to kick off over this stuff....Like wtf, in the middle of one of the biggests crisis in our era and people are getting up the arse about shower gel, people getting offended for the sake of being offended on behalf of someone else! Who isn't that offended about it I guess "
Reading this I presumed it was saying how the hell do people think complaining abuot this stuff is important. Note that OP here didn't post any context whatsoever, and anyone supporting this post has no actual information to go on, just someone who apparently doesn't like a thing that someone else may or may not have said.
Who the hell has the time energy and inclination to kick off over others potentially kicking off about minutiae? A couple of irrelevant people may or may not have made a comment as they are entitled to do so, and you seem to think this is some major political statement? Get a life you lot, there is no "Woke Inc.", it's just people having opinions, which often don't match up with yours. That's fine. |
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"As always ridiculousness like this detracts from the real issues that still exist such as unequal pay and racism. True woke focusses on what really matters not nonsense like this.
That's a very important point.
The issues that do matter get swallowed up in all the rubbish. "
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"As always ridiculousness like this detracts from the real issues that still exist such as unequal pay and racism. True woke focusses on what really matters not nonsense like this. "
But it's the little things that can make massive differences. In our work brochures we used to have pictures of white males over the years we've diversified our pictures and it's made a positive impact to the people applying to our institution. It seems small and petty to some. But it's about people feeling as though they'd fit in. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are social injustices in life and awareness and correction is fine.
But is the woke movement getting too stupid now?
Just heard about people kicking off over a radox muscle relax shower gel specifically for men, saying it's sexiest.
Wtf?
I would love to know who has the time energy and inclination to kick off over this stuff....Like wtf, in the middle of one of the biggests crisis in our era and people are getting up the arse about shower gel, people getting offended for the sake of being offended on behalf of someone else! Who isn't that offended about it I guess
Reading this I presumed it was saying how the hell do people think complaining abuot this stuff is important. Note that OP here didn't post any context whatsoever, and anyone supporting this post has no actual information to go on, just someone who apparently doesn't like a thing that someone else may or may not have said.
Who the hell has the time energy and inclination to kick off over others potentially kicking off about minutiae? A couple of irrelevant people may or may not have made a comment as they are entitled to do so, and you seem to think this is some major political statement? Get a life you lot, there is no "Woke Inc.", it's just people having opinions, which often don't match up with yours. That's fine."
Of course it is fine, it would be a boring world if we all agreed on things but if people want to make statements like this then they should expect those views to be challenged by people who also have their opinion and are also entitled to express |
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"As always ridiculousness like this detracts from the real issues that still exist such as unequal pay and racism. True woke focusses on what really matters not nonsense like this.
But it's the little things that can make massive differences. In our work brochures we used to have pictures of white males over the years we've diversified our pictures and it's made a positive impact to the people applying to our institution. It seems small and petty to some. But it's about people feeling as though they'd fit in. "
You’re right, it is being able to separate the wheat from the chaff though, there are some really important issues being covered over with media bias and overload of opinions on social media.
Good dialogue about what is important about an issue is missing, because of extreme responses from different world views are drowning out the crux of the issue. |
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"Just look at how a lot of threads go on here. I have never seen a more "woke" collective of people then on fab. They ruin the majority of all threads. "
The irony of the ‘woke’ and the anti ‘woke’ extremes is that both extremes are still asleep.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There are social injustices in life and awareness and correction is fine.
But is the woke movement getting too stupid now?
Just heard about people kicking off over a radox muscle relax shower gel specifically for men, saying it's sexiest.
Wtf?
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The world is becoming such a crazy place and I fear it’s only going to get weaker 
Don’t get me wrong, if something ain’t right then fix it, but banter and comedy for example are just that and the world should lighten up again lol 
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"As always ridiculousness like this detracts from the real issues that still exist such as unequal pay and racism. True woke focusses on what really matters not nonsense like this.
But it's the little things that can make massive differences. In our work brochures we used to have pictures of white males over the years we've diversified our pictures and it's made a positive impact to the people applying to our institution. It seems small and petty to some. But it's about people feeling as though they'd fit in.
You’re right, it is being able to separate the wheat from the chaff though, there are some really important issues being covered over with media bias and overload of opinions on social media.
Good dialogue about what is important about an issue is missing, because of extreme responses from different world views are drowning out the crux of the issue."
That I do agree with, but someone expressing that his wife and daughters sporty,heroic, powerful and strong (yes I read the original tweet) is the correct thing to do. It's the media, social media that then jump on it and make it about wokeness or fake outrage. Instead of using the original thought and having a discussion over it, and how best to move on in future. |
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"Who the hell has the time energy and inclination to kick off over others potentially kicking off about minutiae? A couple of irrelevant people may or may not have made a comment as they are entitled to do so, and you seem to think this is some major political statement? Get a life you lot, there is no "Woke Inc.", it's just people having opinions, which often don't match up with yours. That's fine.
Of course it is fine, it would be a boring world if we all agreed on things but if people want to make statements like this then they should expect those views to be challenged by people who also have their opinion and are also entitled to express"
Did they? Have you any idea who you're actually referring to? Seems everything you've said is just based on what someone else told you someone they can't even name has said.
I'm obviously not saying that it hasn't been said (and in context I absolutely agree with the sentiment, however real it is or is not) but this thread is specifically based on nothing material whatsoever, yet here are people opposing thin air. |
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Personally I think the term "woke" is stupid... We were aware of all these things before, we just were aware and/or active instead... Hearing people talk about being woke makes me want to tape their mouth shut until they learn to talk normally... The same as people that start a sentence with "so" instead of just answering the bloody question they were asked! Sorry... Ignore me... Had to let it out |
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"As always ridiculousness like this detracts from the real issues that still exist such as unequal pay and racism. True woke focusses on what really matters not nonsense like this.
But it's the little things that can make massive differences. In our work brochures we used to have pictures of white males over the years we've diversified our pictures and it's made a positive impact to the people applying to our institution. It seems small and petty to some. But it's about people feeling as though they'd fit in.
You’re right, it is being able to separate the wheat from the chaff though, there are some really important issues being covered over with media bias and overload of opinions on social media.
Good dialogue about what is important about an issue is missing, because of extreme responses from different world views are drowning out the crux of the issue.
That I do agree with, but someone expressing that his wife and daughters sporty,heroic, powerful and strong (yes I read the original tweet) is the correct thing to do. It's the media, social media that then jump on it and make it about wokeness or fake outrage. Instead of using the original thought and having a discussion over it, and how best to move on in future. "
Yes that is where the issue lies. I hadn’t seen the original tweet or the media frenzy about it, I was talking more generally. The tabloid press and social media outlets misuse of their platform power to convene and influence thought is what is most disturbing. We need more powerful ‘integral’ voices that are able to cut through the noise and help people to understand the heart of these matters.
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By *ucidityWoman
over a year ago
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"There are social injustices in life and awareness and correction is fine.
But is the woke movement getting too stupid now?
Just heard about people kicking off over a radox muscle relax shower gel specifically for men, saying it's sexiest.
Wtf?
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I think the “woke movement” is yet another thing blown out of proportion to keep us talking about utter drivel such as how we’ve become too PC/you can’t say anything anymore/let’s all get angry about this now.
The internet gives a platform to literally everyone and anyone so of course there’s going to be some out of whack voices and they’ll inevitably find each other. But the way the media reports on it like it’s newsworthy bringing more attention to it making it more “newsworthy” is like it’s throwing up and then eating it’s own vomit. |
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"As always ridiculousness like this detracts from the real issues that still exist such as unequal pay and racism. True woke focusses on what really matters not nonsense like this.
But it's the little things that can make massive differences. In our work brochures we used to have pictures of white males over the years we've diversified our pictures and it's made a positive impact to the people applying to our institution. It seems small and petty to some. But it's about people feeling as though they'd fit in.
You’re right, it is being able to separate the wheat from the chaff though, there are some really important issues being covered over with media bias and overload of opinions on social media.
Good dialogue about what is important about an issue is missing, because of extreme responses from different world views are drowning out the crux of the issue.
That I do agree with, but someone expressing that his wife and daughters sporty,heroic, powerful and strong (yes I read the original tweet) is the correct thing to do. It's the media, social media that then jump on it and make it about wokeness or fake outrage. Instead of using the original thought and having a discussion over it, and how best to move on in future.
Yes that is where the issue lies. I hadn’t seen the original tweet or the media frenzy about it, I was talking more generally. The tabloid press and social media outlets misuse of their platform power to convene and influence thought is what is most disturbing. We need more powerful ‘integral’ voices that are able to cut through the noise and help people to understand the heart of these matters.
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I agree instead of having a logical debate about something. It's easier to label something as woke, snowflake, gammon etc, which doesn't add anything to the debate. People are enjoying being outraged and then being outraged by people being outraged
I believe things need to change but it shouldn't be down to who can shout the loudest. |
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"As always ridiculousness like this detracts from the real issues that still exist such as unequal pay and racism. True woke focusses on what really matters not nonsense like this.
But it's the little things that can make massive differences. In our work brochures we used to have pictures of white males over the years we've diversified our pictures and it's made a positive impact to the people applying to our institution. It seems small and petty to some. But it's about people feeling as though they'd fit in.
You’re right, it is being able to separate the wheat from the chaff though, there are some really important issues being covered over with media bias and overload of opinions on social media.
Good dialogue about what is important about an issue is missing, because of extreme responses from different world views are drowning out the crux of the issue.
That I do agree with, but someone expressing that his wife and daughters sporty,heroic, powerful and strong (yes I read the original tweet) is the correct thing to do. It's the media, social media that then jump on it and make it about wokeness or fake outrage. Instead of using the original thought and having a discussion over it, and how best to move on in future.
Yes that is where the issue lies. I hadn’t seen the original tweet or the media frenzy about it, I was talking more generally. The tabloid press and social media outlets misuse of their platform power to convene and influence thought is what is most disturbing. We need more powerful ‘integral’ voices that are able to cut through the noise and help people to understand the heart of these matters.
I agree instead of having a logical debate about something. It's easier to label something as woke, snowflake, gammon etc, which doesn't add anything to the debate. People are enjoying being outraged and then being outraged by people being outraged
I believe things need to change but it shouldn't be down to who can shout the loudest. "
In the end it is about which type of power is prevailing. At the moment the power to integrate is too weak and is drowned out, we need to find our collective voice....... |
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"As always ridiculousness like this detracts from the real issues that still exist such as unequal pay and racism. True woke focusses on what really matters not nonsense like this.
But it's the little things that can make massive differences. In our work brochures we used to have pictures of white males over the years we've diversified our pictures and it's made a positive impact to the people applying to our institution. It seems small and petty to some. But it's about people feeling as though they'd fit in.
You’re right, it is being able to separate the wheat from the chaff though, there are some really important issues being covered over with media bias and overload of opinions on social media.
Good dialogue about what is important about an issue is missing, because of extreme responses from different world views are drowning out the crux of the issue.
That I do agree with, but someone expressing that his wife and daughters sporty,heroic, powerful and strong (yes I read the original tweet) is the correct thing to do. It's the media, social media that then jump on it and make it about wokeness or fake outrage. Instead of using the original thought and having a discussion over it, and how best to move on in future.
Yes that is where the issue lies. I hadn’t seen the original tweet or the media frenzy about it, I was talking more generally. The tabloid press and social media outlets misuse of their platform power to convene and influence thought is what is most disturbing. We need more powerful ‘integral’ voices that are able to cut through the noise and help people to understand the heart of these matters.
I agree instead of having a logical debate about something. It's easier to label something as woke, snowflake, gammon etc, which doesn't add anything to the debate. People are enjoying being outraged and then being outraged by people being outraged
I believe things need to change but it shouldn't be down to who can shout the loudest.
In the end it is about which type of power is prevailing. At the moment the power to integrate is too weak and is drowned out, we need to find our collective voice......."
That is it exactly Doc, we all need to work together for a better future. Where people are more integrated but there is no will for it. Even in the middle of a pandemic we can't all pull together. |
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I don't understand why people need to get upset about what other people are talking about.
If someone thinks the language used in selling a product is sexist, and you don't, then fine - disagree and have a debate about it.
If you think it's a pointless discussion, ignore it.
I don't understand why it needs to be drummed up into this big thing about 'woke' people destroying free speech and ruining society. It's someone on Twitter or wherever having an opinion.
Seems like some people just hate any discussion of prejudice or inequality full stop and want to shut it down no matter what. |
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over a year ago
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Yes that is where the issue lies. I hadn’t seen the original tweet or the media frenzy about it, I was talking more generally. The tabloid press and social media outlets misuse of their platform power to convene and influence thought is what is most disturbing. We need more powerful ‘integral’ voices that are able to cut through the noise and help people to understand the heart of these matters.
I agree instead of having a logical debate about something. It's easier to label something as woke, snowflake, gammon etc, which doesn't add anything to the debate. People are enjoying being outraged and then being outraged by people being outraged
I believe things need to change but it shouldn't be down to who can shout the loudest. "
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"As always ridiculousness like this detracts from the real issues that still exist such as unequal pay and racism. True woke focusses on what really matters not nonsense like this.
But it's the little things that can make massive differences. In our work brochures we used to have pictures of white males over the years we've diversified our pictures and it's made a positive impact to the people applying to our institution. It seems small and petty to some. But it's about people feeling as though they'd fit in.
You’re right, it is being able to separate the wheat from the chaff though, there are some really important issues being covered over with media bias and overload of opinions on social media.
Good dialogue about what is important about an issue is missing, because of extreme responses from different world views are drowning out the crux of the issue.
That I do agree with, but someone expressing that his wife and daughters sporty,heroic, powerful and strong (yes I read the original tweet) is the correct thing to do. It's the media, social media that then jump on it and make it about wokeness or fake outrage. Instead of using the original thought and having a discussion over it, and how best to move on in future.
Yes that is where the issue lies. I hadn’t seen the original tweet or the media frenzy about it, I was talking more generally. The tabloid press and social media outlets misuse of their platform power to convene and influence thought is what is most disturbing. We need more powerful ‘integral’ voices that are able to cut through the noise and help people to understand the heart of these matters.
I agree instead of having a logical debate about something. It's easier to label something as woke, snowflake, gammon etc, which doesn't add anything to the debate. People are enjoying being outraged and then being outraged by people being outraged
I believe things need to change but it shouldn't be down to who can shout the loudest.
In the end it is about which type of power is prevailing. At the moment the power to integrate is too weak and is drowned out, we need to find our collective voice.......
That is it exactly Doc, we all need to work together for a better future. Where people are more integrated but there is no will for it. Even in the middle of a pandemic we can't all pull together. "
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"I don't understand why people need to get upset about what other people are talking about.
If someone thinks the language used in selling a product is sexist, and you don't, then fine - disagree and have a debate about it.
If you think it's a pointless discussion, ignore it.
I don't understand why it needs to be drummed up into this big thing about 'woke' people destroying free speech and ruining society. It's someone on Twitter or wherever having an opinion.
Seems like some people just hate any discussion of prejudice or inequality full stop and want to shut it down no matter what. "
Oh absolutely. Not a saint in regards to this, but people mostly like getting angry, and like creating a straw man to try and torch, rather than just having another cup of tea. |
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"As always ridiculousness like this detracts from the real issues that still exist such as unequal pay and racism. True woke focusses on what really matters not nonsense like this.
But it's the little things that can make massive differences. In our work brochures we used to have pictures of white males over the years we've diversified our pictures and it's made a positive impact to the people applying to our institution. It seems small and petty to some. But it's about people feeling as though they'd fit in.
You’re right, it is being able to separate the wheat from the chaff though, there are some really important issues being covered over with media bias and overload of opinions on social media.
Good dialogue about what is important about an issue is missing, because of extreme responses from different world views are drowning out the crux of the issue.
That I do agree with, but someone expressing that his wife and daughters sporty,heroic, powerful and strong (yes I read the original tweet) is the correct thing to do. It's the media, social media that then jump on it and make it about wokeness or fake outrage. Instead of using the original thought and having a discussion over it, and how best to move on in future.
Yes that is where the issue lies. I hadn’t seen the original tweet or the media frenzy about it, I was talking more generally. The tabloid press and social media outlets misuse of their platform power to convene and influence thought is what is most disturbing. We need more powerful ‘integral’ voices that are able to cut through the noise and help people to understand the heart of these matters.
I agree instead of having a logical debate about something. It's easier to label something as woke, snowflake, gammon etc, which doesn't add anything to the debate. People are enjoying being outraged and then being outraged by people being outraged
I believe things need to change but it shouldn't be down to who can shout the loudest.
In the end it is about which type of power is prevailing. At the moment the power to integrate is too weak and is drowned out, we need to find our collective voice.......
That is it exactly Doc, we all need to work together for a better future. Where people are more integrated but there is no will for it. Even in the middle of a pandemic we can't all pull together. I have the will for it. do you?"
I do indeed I can't help myself lol
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Really had enough of all this crap now. Libtards snowflake woke blm etc etc. Let's just treat each other with a bit of respect. This taking a knee thing really should end too. It's just all a bit too much now. |
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"As always ridiculousness like this detracts from the real issues that still exist such as unequal pay and racism. True woke focusses on what really matters not nonsense like this.
But it's the little things that can make massive differences. In our work brochures we used to have pictures of white males over the years we've diversified our pictures and it's made a positive impact to the people applying to our institution. It seems small and petty to some. But it's about people feeling as though they'd fit in.
You’re right, it is being able to separate the wheat from the chaff though, there are some really important issues being covered over with media bias and overload of opinions on social media.
Good dialogue about what is important about an issue is missing, because of extreme responses from different world views are drowning out the crux of the issue.
That I do agree with, but someone expressing that his wife and daughters sporty,heroic, powerful and strong (yes I read the original tweet) is the correct thing to do. It's the media, social media that then jump on it and make it about wokeness or fake outrage. Instead of using the original thought and having a discussion over it, and how best to move on in future.
Yes that is where the issue lies. I hadn’t seen the original tweet or the media frenzy about it, I was talking more generally. The tabloid press and social media outlets misuse of their platform power to convene and influence thought is what is most disturbing. We need more powerful ‘integral’ voices that are able to cut through the noise and help people to understand the heart of these matters.
I agree instead of having a logical debate about something. It's easier to label something as woke, snowflake, gammon etc, which doesn't add anything to the debate. People are enjoying being outraged and then being outraged by people being outraged
I believe things need to change but it shouldn't be down to who can shout the loudest.
In the end it is about which type of power is prevailing. At the moment the power to integrate is too weak and is drowned out, we need to find our collective voice.......
That is it exactly Doc, we all need to work together for a better future. Where people are more integrated but there is no will for it. Even in the middle of a pandemic we can't all pull together. I have the will for it. do you?
I do indeed I can't help myself lol
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"Really had enough of all this crap now. Libtards snowflake woke blm etc etc. Let's just treat each other with a bit of respect. This taking a knee thing really should end too. It's just all a bit too much now. "
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"Everything has gone way too far. Whilst not wishing to back to the attitudes of years gone by, now you can't say anything for fear of offending someone, somewhere. "
Anything? Somehow I think you're talking pure arse there. |
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"Everything has gone way too far. Whilst not wishing to back to the attitudes of years gone by, now you can't say anything for fear of offending someone, somewhere. "
What would you like to say, but fear you might offend someone? |
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"Everything has gone way too far. Whilst not wishing to back to the attitudes of years gone by, now you can't say anything for fear of offending someone, somewhere.
Anything? Somehow I think you're talking pure arse there."
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By *bearMan
over a year ago
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"It’s utterly ridiculous and the biggest threat to free speech we’ve seen in the modern era. All in the name of supposedly promoting tolerance, yet it is those same people who are intolerant of all that possess views different from their own. Hope to see a big push back in the years ahead. "
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Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues. |
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"There are social injustices in life and awareness and correction is fine.
But is the woke movement getting too stupid now?
Just heard about people kicking off over a radox muscle relax shower gel specifically for men, saying it's sexiest.
Wtf?
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Do you have a source for this? Who are these people who are kicking off? Or is this another fabricated piece of nonsense from the Daily Heil?
https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/greased-how-a-confected-culture-war |
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"There are social injustices in life and awareness and correction is fine.
But is the woke movement getting too stupid now?
Just heard about people kicking off over a radox muscle relax shower gel specifically for men, saying it's sexiest.
Wtf?
Do you have a source for this? Who are these people who are kicking off? Or is this another fabricated piece of nonsense from the Daily Heil?
https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/greased-how-a-confected-culture-war"
GMB
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"Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues."
Which has led to people pissing and moaning about the ones pissing and moaning, irony |
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"Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues.
Which has led to people pissing and moaning about the ones pissing and moaning, irony "
So am I woke for making this thread? |
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"There are social injustices in life and awareness and correction is fine.
But is the woke movement getting too stupid now?
Just heard about people kicking off over a radox muscle relax shower gel specifically for men, saying it's sexiest.
Wtf?
Do you have a source for this? Who are these people who are kicking off? Or is this another fabricated piece of nonsense from the Daily Heil?
https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/greased-how-a-confected-culture-war
GMB
About 7.30am this morning "
Didn't catch GMB. But the article I posted does note that GMB has a habit of picking up such fluff pieces from the aforementioned rag. |
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"Evwrything is sexist.
Everything is racist.
Everything is hate.
Except what the SJW say is not, but they dont all agree.
Treat people with respect, Do your own thing, forget about them."
Do your own thing won’t work. We are interdependent human beings, not independent. Our actions influence each other whether we want them to or not. Do your own thing is the mantra of individualism but sadly that kind of individualism has brought us to the point we are at now. |
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"Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues.
Which has led to people pissing and moaning about the ones pissing and moaning, irony
So am I woke for making this thread? "
Not you, you plum. You are breath of fresh air....
I meant the ones who are complaining about us complaining about the ones complaining right |
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It’s sounds like an article from the Daily Mail to rile up their readers and some gullible people on here.
Newspapers do this consistently so the original issue possibly had some merit, a Daily Mail / Sun reporter thought I’ll twist this ...and here we go again.
At least it’s not about immigrants or single mothers. |
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"Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues.
Which has led to people pissing and moaning about the ones pissing and moaning, irony
So am I woke for making this thread? "
No it was a good question. Look at the conversation that is going on. |
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"There are social injustices in life and awareness and correction is fine.
But is the woke movement getting too stupid now?
Just heard about people kicking off over a radox muscle relax shower gel specifically for men, saying it's sexiest.
Wtf?
Do you have a source for this? Who are these people who are kicking off? Or is this another fabricated piece of nonsense from the Daily Heil?
https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/greased-how-a-confected-culture-war
GMB
About 7.30am this morning "
Piers Morgan saying a thing is not a source. it's just as reliable as you posting it here. |
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"Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues.
Which has led to people pissing and moaning about the ones pissing and moaning, irony
So am I woke for making this thread?
Not you, you plum. You are breath of fresh air....
I meant the ones who are complaining about us complaining about the ones complaining right "
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"There are social injustices in life and awareness and correction is fine.
But is the woke movement getting too stupid now?
Just heard about people kicking off over a radox muscle relax shower gel specifically for men, saying it's sexiest.
Wtf?
Do you have a source for this? Who are these people who are kicking off? Or is this another fabricated piece of nonsense from the Daily Heil?
https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/greased-how-a-confected-culture-war
GMB
About 7.30am this morning
Didn't catch GMB. But the article I posted does note that GMB has a habit of picking up such fluff pieces from the aforementioned rag."
The tweet was of a father who said his someone expressing that his wife and daughters sporty,heroic, powerful and strong. And that he wouldn't buy the shower gel until men was removed. In further discussion he said that women also possess these traits and yet the company uses looked bases words to promote the female shower gel. |
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"Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues.
Which has led to people pissing and moaning about the ones pissing and moaning, irony
So am I woke for making this thread?
No it was a good question. Look at the conversation that is going on. "
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"Evwrything is sexist.
Everything is racist.
Everything is hate.
Except what the SJW say is not, but they dont all agree.
Treat people with respect, Do your own thing, forget about them.
Do your own thing won’t work. We are interdependent human beings, not independent. Our actions influence each other whether we want them to or not. Do your own thing is the mantra of individualism but sadly that kind of individualism has brought us to the point we are at now."
cool, I will do my own thing, and be happy.
if anyone gets offended, i will tell them I am offended at them assuming they can take offence from me.
We can run in circles with that all fucking day i wont mind. |
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"Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues.
Which has led to people pissing and moaning about the ones pissing and moaning, irony
So am I woke for making this thread? "
To be honest I don't actually be know what the term actually means. I just see it flung about a lot |
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"It’s sounds like an article from the Daily Mail to rile up their readers and some gullible people on here.
Newspapers do this consistently so the original issue possibly had some merit, a Daily Mail / Sun reporter thought I’ll twist this ...and here we go again.
At least it’s not about immigrants or single mothers. "
How do we counter the noise the mainstream media make? |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues.
Which has led to people pissing and moaning about the ones pissing and moaning, irony
So am I woke for making this thread? "
No... for me woke as a term has been rendered pretty meaningless. The definitions are too widely different in the "camps" which have formed on either side of these debates.
And yeah, some people piss and moan about the pissing and moaning (although the balance is pretty skewed) while some people say it's not worth the energy, why not focus on actual serious issues... |
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"Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues.
Which has led to people pissing and moaning about the ones pissing and moaning, irony
So am I woke for making this thread?
Not you, you plum. You are breath of fresh air....
I meant the ones who are complaining about us complaining about the ones complaining right "
Gotcha
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"The tweet was of a father who said his someone expressing that his wife and daughters sporty,heroic, powerful and strong. And that he wouldn't buy the shower gel until men was removed. In further discussion he said that women also possess these traits and yet the company uses looked bases words to promote the female shower gel. "
Oh yes, I remember that now. That was about 2 or 3 years ago, right? Couldn't agree with the sentiment more, but it's not those supporting it blowing it out of all proportion... |
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"Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues.
Which has led to people pissing and moaning about the ones pissing and moaning, irony
So am I woke for making this thread?
To be honest I don't actually be know what the term actually means. I just see it flung about a lot "
The original term was a good one, but it was weaponised in America as it got behind MAGA. It has now just spread via social media |
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over a year ago
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"Everything has gone way too far. Whilst not wishing to back to the attitudes of years gone by, now you can't say anything for fear of offending someone, somewhere.
Anything? Somehow I think you're talking pure arse there. is that respectful dialogue?"
Probably not. |
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"There are social injustices in life and awareness and correction is fine.
But is the woke movement getting too stupid now?
Just heard about people kicking off over a radox muscle relax shower gel specifically for men, saying it's sexiest.
Wtf?
Do you have a source for this? Who are these people who are kicking off? Or is this another fabricated piece of nonsense from the Daily Heil?
https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/greased-how-a-confected-culture-war
GMB
About 7.30am this morning
Didn't catch GMB. But the article I posted does note that GMB has a habit of picking up such fluff pieces from the aforementioned rag.
The tweet was of a father who said his someone expressing that his wife and daughters sporty,heroic, powerful and strong. And that he wouldn't buy the shower gel until men was removed. In further discussion he said that women also possess these traits and yet the company uses looked bases words to promote the female shower gel. "
So, was that it? One father makes a (reasonable, I think) point, and decides not to buy a product (which is entirely his decision). This is supposedly now noteworthy of a national conversation? |
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"Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues.
Which has led to people pissing and moaning about the ones pissing and moaning, irony
So am I woke for making this thread?
To be honest I don't actually be know what the term actually means. I just see it flung about a lot
The original term was a good one, but it was weaponised in America as it got behind MAGA. It has now just spread via social media"
Yup
Twitter has a lot to answer for these days |
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It's because apparently we need a "Balance" in all opinions or even regarding facts and this has led to people thinking they have inane right to express their opinions ! or how it's how they "Feel" or makes them "Feel" and then sadly enough people get angry enough about their so called "Freedom of speech " being taken away ( it isn't but...) and we end up where we are and we all end up going down the "Rabbit Hole" whilst the likes of Trumpton and Boris !!.....and always stories like this as it fits the agenda of the popular media and most of the so called "Woke" lot do have genuine concerns and have a right to protest or try to change things but as history shows us we only ever grow as humans if we allow certain debates and hear different sides to a story and not by putting our fingers in our ears ! |
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over a year ago
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"Evwrything is sexist.
Everything is racist.
Everything is hate.
Except what the SJW say is not, but they dont all agree.
Treat people with respect, Do your own thing, forget about them.
Do your own thing won’t work. We are interdependent human beings, not independent. Our actions influence each other whether we want them to or not. Do your own thing is the mantra of individualism but sadly that kind of individualism has brought us to the point we are at now.
cool, I will do my own thing, and be happy.
if anyone gets offended, i will tell them I am offended at them assuming they can take offence from me.
We can run in circles with that all fucking day i wont mind."
Genius idea. |
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"Don't know about being woke but these complaints always bore me to sleep. Some pretty marginal complaints from a relatively small number of people leads to a wave of pissing and moaning from the other side who can't see the irony in their reaction...
All the while everyone is distracted from real issues.
Which has led to people pissing and moaning about the ones pissing and moaning, irony
So am I woke for making this thread?
To be honest I don't actually be know what the term actually means. I just see it flung about a lot
The original term was a good one, but it was weaponised in America as it got behind MAGA. It has now just spread via social media
Yup
Twitter has a lot to answer for these days "
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"Evwrything is sexist.
Everything is racist.
Everything is hate.
Except what the SJW say is not, but they dont all agree.
Treat people with respect, Do your own thing, forget about them.
Do your own thing won’t work. We are interdependent human beings, not independent. Our actions influence each other whether we want them to or not. Do your own thing is the mantra of individualism but sadly that kind of individualism has brought us to the point we are at now.
cool, I will do my own thing, and be happy.
if anyone gets offended, i will tell them I am offended at them assuming they can take offence from me.
We can run in circles with that all fucking day i wont mind.
Genius idea. "
Running in circles? Enjoy it  |
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"It’s sounds like an article from the Daily Mail to rile up their readers and some gullible people on here.
Newspapers do this consistently so the original issue possibly had some merit, a Daily Mail / Sun reporter thought I’ll twist this ...and here we go again.
At least it’s not about immigrants or single mothers.
How do we counter the noise the mainstream media make?"
If we could solve that the World would become a much better place.
I doubt many people are actually affected by ‘wokeness’ they just think they are.
I read the Guardian and I know it affects some of my views and biases but doesn’t stop me from double checking things that annoy me when I read about them.
I honestly wish I had an answer to your question |
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"It's because apparently we need a "Balance" in all opinions or even regarding facts and this has led to people thinking they have inane right to express their opinions ! or how it's how they "Feel" or makes them "Feel" and then sadly enough people get angry enough about their so called "Freedom of speech " being taken away ( it isn't but...) and we end up where we are and we all end up going down the "Rabbit Hole" whilst the likes of Trumpton and Boris !!.....and always stories like this as it fits the agenda of the popular media and most of the so called "Woke" lot do have genuine concerns and have a right to protest or try to change things but as history shows us we only ever grow as humans if we allow certain debates and hear different sides to a story and not by putting our fingers in our ears ! "
This is true, but where does it end?
Like I said earlier, it won't be long until everything is sensored for fear of upsetting someone.
It's out of control at the moment. |
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Why do we have to keep putting labels on things?
Most of us have wide ranging opinions and views
I sway between being very left thinking on some subjects and very right thinking on others |
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"Why do we have to keep putting labels on things?
Most of us have wide ranging opinions and views
I sway between being very left thinking on some subjects and very right thinking on others "
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"It’s sounds like an article from the Daily Mail to rile up their readers and some gullible people on here.
Newspapers do this consistently so the original issue possibly had some merit, a Daily Mail / Sun reporter thought I’ll twist this ...and here we go again.
At least it’s not about immigrants or single mothers.
How do we counter the noise the mainstream media make?
If we could solve that the World would become a much better place.
I doubt many people are actually affected by ‘wokeness’ they just think they are.
I read the Guardian and I know it affects some of my views and biases but doesn’t stop me from double checking things that annoy me when I read about them.
I honestly wish I had an answer to your question "
We do need to find it. It’s back to what Frida and I were talking about. How do we find our collective voice that can challenge mainstream media and promote more integrated ways of thinking? How do we create more integrated ways of governing, living our lives in a way that creates a culture that supports human kind, looks after our planet, create social systems that are more equitable and fairer, where we can all live, laugh, learn and grow together to leave a wonderful legacy for future generations? Why are these conversations not drowning out the MSM on social media? |
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"Why do we have to keep putting labels on things?
Most of us have wide ranging opinions and views
I sway between being very left thinking on some subjects and very right thinking on others
Middleist
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It didn't go unnoticed that I put labels on both my opposing views either |
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"Like I said earlier, it won't be long until everything is sensored for fear of upsetting someone.
It's out of control at the moment."
No, it's really not. That's become the whole point of this thread. You are believing scaremongering pundits with their own biased views. You are being exploited and manipulated by your own side.
* Various interpretations of "Your own side" of course. |
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"Why do we have to keep putting labels on things?
Most of us have wide ranging opinions and views
I sway between being very left thinking on some subjects and very right thinking on others
Middleist
It didn't go unnoticed that I put labels on both my opposing views either "
The labels simplify what is actually more complex and often dichotomise reality, where like our sexuality reality is a spectrum of world views all competing with each other..... |
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Boils down to discussions are good, I've said my opinion without any insults and hopefully not upset anyone. I know there are people who won't/don't agree with me. If by debating with someone else theirs or my opinion changes that is good and progress is made. Nothing ever changes when people don't listen to one another with an open mind |
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"I’m meant to be doing a lot of other things, so thanks Cindi for a great thread....I need to get on with other stuff "
Just mixing it up.
I can be serious at times |
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"It’s sounds like an article from the Daily Mail to rile up their readers and some gullible people on here.
Newspapers do this consistently so the original issue possibly had some merit, a Daily Mail / Sun reporter thought I’ll twist this ...and here we go again.
At least it’s not about immigrants or single mothers.
How do we counter the noise the mainstream media make?
If we could solve that the World would become a much better place.
I doubt many people are actually affected by ‘wokeness’ they just think they are.
I read the Guardian and I know it affects some of my views and biases but doesn’t stop me from double checking things that annoy me when I read about them.
I honestly wish I had an answer to your question
We do need to find it. It’s back to what Frida and I were talking about. How do we find our collective voice that can challenge mainstream media and promote more integrated ways of thinking? How do we create more integrated ways of governing, living our lives in a way that creates a culture that supports human kind, looks after our planet, create social systems that are more equitable and fairer, where we can all live, laugh, learn and grow together to leave a wonderful legacy for future generations? Why are these conversations not drowning out the MSM on social media?"
The whole original idea of Twitter, Facebook and even the internet was to be able to skirt over Newspapers and TV news, hopefully get the ‘truth’ out. But it’s actually drowned out real debate and learning by those with an agenda.
We no longer have (or possibly ever had) those willing to learn from others experiences and history now if Susan down the street has seen the latest click bait, soon the real truth is lost to those who just want to get angry over something that doesn’t affect them, whilst being distracted from what is really making their lives a misery. Those who are spreading the lies and disinformation.
There is some hope the new generation do seem to be becoming more (woke ) open to questioning things and norms, so who knows |
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And not forgetting it divides us all which is rather handy for some as we or rather most of us have far more in common with each other than will ever divide us and just different ways of achieving our goals but way to easy now to sow division than it ever was just so easy to get people up in arms ( literally in America) and angry !! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It’s sounds like an article from the Daily Mail to rile up their readers and some gullible people on here.
Newspapers do this consistently so the original issue possibly had some merit, a Daily Mail / Sun reporter thought I’ll twist this ...and here we go again.
At least it’s not about immigrants or single mothers.
How do we counter the noise the mainstream media make?
If we could solve that the World would become a much better place.
I doubt many people are actually affected by ‘wokeness’ they just think they are.
I read the Guardian and I know it affects some of my views and biases but doesn’t stop me from double checking things that annoy me when I read about them.
I honestly wish I had an answer to your question
We do need to find it. It’s back to what Frida and I were talking about. How do we find our collective voice that can challenge mainstream media and promote more integrated ways of thinking? How do we create more integrated ways of governing, living our lives in a way that creates a culture that supports human kind, looks after our planet, create social systems that are more equitable and fairer, where we can all live, laugh, learn and grow together to leave a wonderful legacy for future generations? Why are these conversations not drowning out the MSM on social media?
The whole original idea of Twitter, Facebook and even the internet was to be able to skirt over Newspapers and TV news, hopefully get the ‘truth’ out. But it’s actually drowned out real debate and learning by those with an agenda.
We no longer have (or possibly ever had) those willing to learn from others experiences and history now if Susan down the street has seen the latest click bait, soon the real truth is lost to those who just want to get angry over something that doesn’t affect them, whilst being distracted from what is really making their lives a misery. Those who are spreading the lies and disinformation.
There is some hope the new generation do seem to be becoming more (woke ) open to questioning things and norms, so who knows "
We may indeed need to wait until the Boomers and Gen X ers die off before we see significant change and I include myself in that. |
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"Men’s shower are named after abstract concepts such as ‘Turbo sport fresh’ women’s be like ‘lavender and primrose loveliness’
Ahh but what about the men who like to smell of lavender and use bath salts and candles in the bath.
Woke!
And listen to Kenny G, those guys ?!
Don't upset the Kenny G fans.
That would be woke! "
Kenny G fan here and feeling so offended at being woked. - Not.
This world has gone crazy |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can be serious at times "
Apparently there's this village in the North East where you're considered transphobic simply for not wanting to be fucked so hard your limbs fall off.
True fact |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Are people really kicking off about shower gel for men? Is it just a bit of catfishing?
Also surely, getting upset about people getting upset about silly things is just as 'bad'? |
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"Manscaping shall only be known as person scaping from henceforth.  "
This could be difficult for me... I’ve got a few products that actually say manscaping on them! (The boxers are highly recommended... probably for all sexes just to be sure) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yes a lot of sjw / cancel culture has become a troll fest and pushing its nose into everything. Though it’s starting to backfire on many companies that cave into some of the loony ones with it hitting their bottom line .
The best this week was a game developer replying to sjws with the written finger pretty much in a beautiful online response about their demands to change their game graphics/ content . |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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I would love to live in a society that is both, woke and non-woke, where people love with each other peacefully despite having fundamentally different opinions.
Neither woke nor non-woke is inherently bad - it is only bad when it is used to target a particular opinion or group of people, perceived to be "woke" |
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"Neither woke nor non-woke is inherently bad - it is only bad when it is used to target a particular opinion or group of people, perceived to be "woke" "
I'm not quite sure I understood this. Isn't it people claiming to be woke that are targeting those they think need to "wake up".
The whole concept seems like rubbish to me. Let's get rid of the woke and non-woke and be people. |
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"Neither woke nor non-woke is inherently bad - it is only bad when it is used to target a particular opinion or group of people, perceived to be "woke"
I'm not quite sure I understood this. Isn't it people claiming to be woke that are targeting those they think need to "wake up".
The whole concept seems like rubbish to me. Let's get rid of the woke and non-woke and be people."
Unfortunately I think if we go down that route and say all perspectives are valid and no one can tell anyone else what to do we end up with an anarchical aperspectival flatland. Same as you do your thing and I’ll do mine.
The sooner we recognise the need for everyone of us to engage in the evolutionary processes of growing up, waking up, cleaning up and showing up, the better the world we will create. |
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"Unfortunately I think if we go down that route and say all perspectives are valid and no one can tell anyone else what to do we end up with an anarchical aperspectival flatland. Same as you do your thing and I’ll do mine."
I agree with what you've said and disagree that grouping people into woke / non-woke is a valid perspective.
"The sooner we recognise the need for everyone of us to engage in the evolutionary processes of growing up, waking up, cleaning up and showing up, the better the world we will create."
Loved this; it's something that I want to do better in my own life. |
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"Unfortunately I think if we go down that route and say all perspectives are valid and no one can tell anyone else what to do we end up with an anarchical aperspectival flatland. Same as you do your thing and I’ll do mine.
I agree with what you've said and disagree that grouping people into woke / non-woke is a valid perspective.
The sooner we recognise the need for everyone of us to engage in the evolutionary processes of growing up, waking up, cleaning up and showing up, the better the world we will create.
Loved this; it's something that I want to do better in my own life."
I don’t disagree about labelling people woke or non-woke, we have all woken up to greater or lesser extents and in different ways, same as we have all grown up , cleaned up and shown up in our own different ways. However we do need to recognise the relative value of different perspectives in how effectively and legitimately they generate action toward a better world. |
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"Oh no, please don't get me started on addressing woke culture. Some folk are waiting to be offended at the slightest imperfect comment or gesture."
100% true.
Some people treat it like a game.
Find the offensive thing, rant and rave about out.
Who cares if they are offended? poor wee lambs, not like being offended hurts, harms or robs you of anything. |
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"The whole original idea of Twitter, Facebook and even the internet was to be able to skirt over Newspapers and TV news, hopefully get the ‘truth’ out. But it’s actually drowned out real debate and learning by those with an agenda. "
This is utterly utterly untrue... Twitter was a "micro blogging" platform in a world of blogs - a novel gimmick to make you "get to the point" rather than rambling on, Facebook was for College students to talk to each other, and as for the Internet as a whole... just no. |
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"People getting offended about other people getting offended over trivial matters.
You couldnt make it up.
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And now all speech matters. All the time. No matter what it is.
Folks, it's been a *week*. |
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"The whole original idea of Twitter, Facebook and even the internet was to be able to skirt over Newspapers and TV news, hopefully get the ‘truth’ out. But it’s actually drowned out real debate and learning by those with an agenda.
This is utterly utterly untrue... Twitter was a "micro blogging" platform in a world of blogs - a novel gimmick to make you "get to the point" rather than rambling on, Facebook was for College students to talk to each other, and as for the Internet as a whole... just no."
I thought Twitter was for trolling celebrities and politicians |
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"The whole original idea of Twitter, Facebook and even the internet was to be able to skirt over Newspapers and TV news, hopefully get the ‘truth’ out. But it’s actually drowned out real debate and learning by those with an agenda.
This is utterly utterly untrue... Twitter was a "micro blogging" platform in a world of blogs - a novel gimmick to make you "get to the point" rather than rambling on, Facebook was for College students to talk to each other, and as for the Internet as a whole... just no.
I thought Twitter was for trolling celebrities and politicians "
I use it to follow academics, mostly |
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"The whole original idea of Twitter, Facebook and even the internet was to be able to skirt over Newspapers and TV news, hopefully get the ‘truth’ out. But it’s actually drowned out real debate and learning by those with an agenda.
This is utterly utterly untrue... Twitter was a "micro blogging" platform in a world of blogs - a novel gimmick to make you "get to the point" rather than rambling on, Facebook was for College students to talk to each other, and as for the Internet as a whole... just no."
Twitter did quickly become a way for people to share news in parts of the world where news was either hard to come by or was state controlled. Maybe not the original intent but the point was valid. |
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"Twitter did quickly become a way for people to share news in parts of the world where news was either hard to come by or was state controlled. Maybe not the original intent but the point was valid."
Yes, based on their own original objectives, Twitter is mostly an abject failure! They, and their bank balances, seem to be OK with that though! |
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