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If you post controversial topics, expect to get some comments you may not like.
You say stuff for a reaction.
Don’t then complain when you get a reaction, |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"If you post controversial topics, expect to get some comments you may not like.
You say stuff for a reaction.
Don’t then complain when you get a reaction,"
Controversial.. ?
An ex international world cup rugby is part of a group action against the failures to protect against concussion and head injuries..
Not controversial.. it's a fact.. if you feel it's controversial then there are other threads.. feel free to join them and avoid mine.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you post controversial topics, expect to get some comments you may not like.
You say stuff for a reaction.
Don’t then complain when you get a reaction,
Controversial.. ?
An ex international world cup rugby is part of a group action against the failures to protect against concussion and head injuries..
Not controversial.. it's a fact.. if you feel it's controversial then there are other threads.. feel free to join them and avoid mine.. "
Thanks Tom, I felt like posting on this one  |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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Rule changes & enforcement are the way to go, the NFL after years of denial have in the last few years contributed to research into head injuries & brought in rule changes & penalties to mitigate head injuries. The game changed but it’s different not any the worse. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Don’t be ridiculous! That’s like saying you want boxing banned because of people getting punched in the head 
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Well the Scottish FA, I believe, have commissioned and published a report on a link between heading a football and dementia.. The ball was heavier in the old days especially when wet...
Professional boxers have never been stronger with modern nutrition and training..
Rugby Union used to be a game for all weights and sizes.. now they are all monsters from 1-15.. one of Wales top singers is huge but had a few concussions.. no matter how strong or big you get but nothing protects the head..
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"Rule changes & enforcement are the way to go, the NFL after years of denial have in the last few years contributed to research into head injuries & brought in rule changes & penalties to mitigate head injuries. The game changed but it’s different not any the worse."
Aaron Hernandez documentary on Netflix is worth a watch! His murder trails where almost thrown out due to the amount of head injuries he sustained through his nfl career! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You know the risks of sports when you take them up surely. No one asks to be hurt but you know its a possibility. We don't all just want to sit on our sofas and keep safe from the world out there. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Rule changes & enforcement are the way to go, the NFL after years of denial have in the last few years contributed to research into head injuries & brought in rule changes & penalties to mitigate head injuries. The game changed but it’s different not any the worse.
Aaron Hernandez documentary on Netflix is worth a watch! His murder trails where almost thrown out due to the amount of head injuries he sustained through his nfl career! "
I don't know much about NFL..
I do know that when an ex boss of mine read the report about footballers in Scotland reportedly having a link between dementia and heading the ball said the words I will never forget...
That's funny? My grandma had dementia but never headed a football in her whole life... |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"You know the risks of sports when you take them up surely. No one asks to be hurt but you know its a possibility. We don't all just want to sit on our sofas and keep safe from the world out there. "
I think it's about the responsibility of coaching staff and governing bodies having the correct procedures in place to protect players from themselves who have had concussion.. |
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"Don’t be ridiculous! That’s like saying you want boxing banned because of people getting punched in the head
Well the Scottish FA, I believe, have commissioned and published a report on a link between heading a football and dementia.. The ball was heavier in the old days especially when wet...
Professional boxers have never been stronger with modern nutrition and training..
Rugby Union used to be a game for all weights and sizes.. now they are all monsters from 1-15.. one of Wales top singers is huge but had a few concussions.. no matter how strong or big you get but nothing protects the head..
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I understand that but I think people that compete in any contact sport are well aware of the dangers they face regarding injuries.
Drinking spirits regularly has caused more dementia then heading a football.
For me rugby has always been about the rough and tumble personally think the magic of the game would be lost if it was contact free. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know the risks of sports when you take them up surely. No one asks to be hurt but you know its a possibility. We don't all just want to sit on our sofas and keep safe from the world out there.
I think it's about the responsibility of coaching staff and governing bodies having the correct procedures in place to protect players from themselves who have had concussion.."
Surely they have that though anyway. |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
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"You know the risks of sports when you take them up surely. No one asks to be hurt but you know its a possibility. We don't all just want to sit on our sofas and keep safe from the world out there. "
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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I read a report today about a 42 year old ex Saints player who has been diagnosed with early onset dementia and something else. Poor bugger can't even remember his wife's name or winning the world cup! |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"If you post controversial topics, expect to get some comments you may not like.
You say stuff for a reaction.
Don’t then complain when you get a reaction,"
It is hardly controversial, it is a current topic at the moment. Rather than attack the poster maybe answer the post, if not avoid it please |
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"If you post controversial topics, expect to get some comments you may not like.
You say stuff for a reaction.
Don’t then complain when you get a reaction,
It is hardly controversial, it is a current topic at the moment. Rather than attack the poster maybe answer the post, if not avoid it please"
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"Rule changes & enforcement are the way to go, the NFL after years of denial have in the last few years contributed to research into head injuries & brought in rule changes & penalties to mitigate head injuries. The game changed but it’s different not any the worse.
Aaron Hernandez documentary on Netflix is worth a watch! His murder trails where almost thrown out due to the amount of head injuries he sustained through his nfl career!
I don't know much about NFL..
I do know that when an ex boss of mine read the report about footballers in Scotland reportedly having a link between dementia and heading the ball said the words I will never forget...
That's funny? My grandma had dementia but never headed a football in her whole life... "
Did she play in the NFL? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I feel compelled on this topic. Advances in knowledge is how the human race advances. 100 yrs ago, smoking could be construed as similar - only relatively recently have we fully understood the complete ramifications. It's the same situation with this and unfortunately, as society advances, there are the fortunate and the not so
Rugby Union and the NFL are fundamentally different. The NFL has been professional for nearly, if not, 100 years and developed reasonably linearly through this time. Moreover, helmets were used as weapons, something I can't recall in a rugby game.
Rugby has been professional for a quarter of this time. The players who have spoken up are those who were playing at the dawn of professionalism. The game changed dramatically, rapidly and players physically changed beyond recognition very quickly.
In the end, this is not a good situation for anyone. I'm not sure where this will leave the game and I fear there will be no winners. |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"You know the risks of sports when you take them up surely. No one asks to be hurt but you know its a possibility. We don't all just want to sit on our sofas and keep safe from the world out there.
I think it's about the responsibility of coaching staff and governing bodies having the correct procedures in place to protect players from themselves who have had concussion..
Surely they have that though anyway. "
You would think, but not so. Until very recently most concussion ‘protocols ‘ comprised ‘ are you ok? Do you want to carry on’ |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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"I feel compelled on this topic. Advances in knowledge is how the human race advances. 100 yrs ago, smoking could be construed as similar - only relatively recently have we fully understood the complete ramifications. It's the same situation with this and unfortunately, as society advances, there are the fortunate and the not so
Rugby Union and the NFL are fundamentally different. The NFL has been professional for nearly, if not, 100 years and developed reasonably linearly through this time. Moreover, helmets were used as weapons, something I can't recall in a rugby game.
Rugby has been professional for a quarter of this time. The players who have spoken up are those who were playing at the dawn of professionalism. The game changed dramatically, rapidly and players physically changed beyond recognition very quickly.
In the end, this is not a good situation for anyone. I'm not sure where this will leave the game and I fear there will be no winners. "
I agree, they are different sports despite surface similarities, I was merely pointing out that sport does not need to stop or be sanitized & that the FA, RFU etc can learn from what other sports including but not limited to the NFL, have researched & instigated. A brain shock is a brain shock regardless of how it is achieved or caused, but rule changes & protocols are sports specific. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know the risks of sports when you take them up surely. No one asks to be hurt but you know its a possibility. We don't all just want to sit on our sofas and keep safe from the world out there.
I think it's about the responsibility of coaching staff and governing bodies having the correct procedures in place to protect players from themselves who have had concussion..
Surely they have that though anyway.
You would think, but not so. Until very recently most concussion ‘protocols ‘ comprised ‘ are you ok? Do you want to carry on’"
Sort of surprised but not really then. Im from horsesports and grassroots level it is usually if something isnt hanging off you, you get back on and finish but official competition any rider fall is an instant elimination
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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"Surely they knew the risks of head injury during their playing years ..... contact sports = contact injuries... "
Indeed, but a mentioned above, what did governing bodies do to protect players from themselves.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Quite an emotive subject.
Medical cases and clear evidence of the relationship between physical contact sports, and aged diagnosis, as a result, it’s clear some sport, needs guidance, for public health.
There is a degree of risk in any activity a human being undertakes - you can minimise risk, you cannot eliminate it.
Human nature and all that.
I accept that some sports, need strict regulation to prevent consistent permanent damage, to participants, but don’t neuter the soul of sports and competition.
It’s tough enough living in a world full of “right on Wokies”
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Its easily resolved, just ban anything dangerous or wrap it up in cotton wool.
How would gladiators see todays so called sportsmen?
Mind you they didn't have where there's a blame culture back then. |
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"Its easily resolved, just ban anything dangerous or wrap it up in cotton wool.
How would gladiators see todays so called sportsmen?
Mind you they didn't have where there's a blame culture back then."
Are we talking Roman gladiators or Jet/Wolf/Rhino-type gladiators?! If it's the former, then I for one am quite happy that someone got the cotton wool out one day and decided it was no longer a "sport" for men to fight to the death against each other and against wild animals. Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous 
In other news, a snowflake somewhere decided we shouldn't send children up chimneys or to pick cotton fluff up from under moving machine. Bloody softies |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Rule changes & enforcement are the way to go, the NFL after years of denial have in the last few years contributed to research into head injuries & brought in rule changes & penalties to mitigate head injuries. The game changed but it’s different not any the worse.
Aaron Hernandez documentary on Netflix is worth a watch! His murder trails where almost thrown out due to the amount of head injuries he sustained through his nfl career! "
Great insight on that documentary |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its easily resolved, just ban anything dangerous or wrap it up in cotton wool.
How would gladiators see todays so called sportsmen?
Mind you they didn't have where there's a blame culture back then.
Are we talking Roman gladiators or Jet/Wolf/Rhino-type gladiators?! If it's the former, then I for one am quite happy that someone got the cotton wool out one day and decided it was no longer a "sport" for men to fight to the death against each other and against wild animals. Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous
In other news, a snowflake somewhere decided we shouldn't send children up chimneys or to pick cotton fluff up from under moving machine. Bloody softies "
Funnily enough, this was my exact reaction.
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"Its easily resolved, just ban anything dangerous or wrap it up in cotton wool.
How would gladiators see todays so called sportsmen?
Mind you they didn't have where there's a blame culture back then.
Are we talking Roman gladiators or Jet/Wolf/Rhino-type gladiators?! If it's the former, then I for one am quite happy that someone got the cotton wool out one day and decided it was no longer a "sport" for men to fight to the death against each other and against wild animals. Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous
In other news, a snowflake somewhere decided we shouldn't send children up chimneys or to pick cotton fluff up from under moving machine. Bloody softies "
Hey if its good enough for Santa, then don't knock it.
As for the fluff well we can give them a vacuum.
Yep, maybe its a bit too warm for the snowflakes due to global warming.
Todays prima Donna footballers snort chemicals and drink to excess but its got to be something else to blame, surely. |
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"Its easily resolved, just ban anything dangerous or wrap it up in cotton wool.
How would gladiators see todays so called sportsmen?
Mind you they didn't have where there's a blame culture back then.
Are we talking Roman gladiators or Jet/Wolf/Rhino-type gladiators?! If it's the former, then I for one am quite happy that someone got the cotton wool out one day and decided it was no longer a "sport" for men to fight to the death against each other and against wild animals. Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous
In other news, a snowflake somewhere decided we shouldn't send children up chimneys or to pick cotton fluff up from under moving machine. Bloody softies
Hey if its good enough for Santa, then don't knock it.
As for the fluff well we can give them a vacuum.
Yep, maybe its a bit too warm for the snowflakes due to global warming.
Todays prima Donna footballers snort chemicals and drink to excess but its got to be something else to blame, surely. "
Go and watch the lower leagues. It's not all excess and flash cars |
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"Its easily resolved, just ban anything dangerous or wrap it up in cotton wool.
How would gladiators see todays so called sportsmen?
Mind you they didn't have where there's a blame culture back then.
Are we talking Roman gladiators or Jet/Wolf/Rhino-type gladiators?! If it's the former, then I for one am quite happy that someone got the cotton wool out one day and decided it was no longer a "sport" for men to fight to the death against each other and against wild animals. Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous
In other news, a snowflake somewhere decided we shouldn't send children up chimneys or to pick cotton fluff up from under moving machine. Bloody softies "
Goodness, how awful.
Along with learning more about the long term effects of contact sports and questioning whether it's worth it.
Shocking. Just shocking. How dare anyone think of the children. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Rule changes & enforcement are the way to go, the NFL after years of denial have in the last few years contributed to research into head injuries & brought in rule changes & penalties to mitigate head injuries. The game changed but it’s different not any the worse.
Aaron Hernandez documentary on Netflix is worth a watch! His murder trails where almost thrown out due to the amount of head injuries he sustained through his nfl career!
I don't know much about NFL..
I do know that when an ex boss of mine read the report about footballers in Scotland reportedly having a link between dementia and heading the ball said the words I will never forget...
That's funny? My grandma had dementia but never headed a football in her whole life... "
They found that footballers were three times more likely to die of dementia than the general population in the uk .
https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/heightened-dementia-risk-for-ex-professional-scottish-footballers/
Don’t think there is anything controversial about it and a Blanket ban isn’t the answer , most professional sports men know the risks involved in their profession and considering the money they are paid most happily take that risk . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Rule changes & enforcement are the way to go, the NFL after years of denial have in the last few years contributed to research into head injuries & brought in rule changes & penalties to mitigate head injuries. The game changed but it’s different not any the worse.
Aaron Hernandez documentary on Netflix is worth a watch! His murder trails where almost thrown out due to the amount of head injuries he sustained through his nfl career!
I don't know much about NFL..
I do know that when an ex boss of mine read the report about footballers in Scotland reportedly having a link between dementia and heading the ball said the words I will never forget...
That's funny? My grandma had dementia but never headed a football in her whole life...
They found that footballers were three times more likely to die of dementia than the general population in the uk .
https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/heightened-dementia-risk-for-ex-professional-scottish-footballers/
Don’t think there is anything controversial about it and a Blanket ban isn’t the answer , most professional sports men know the risks involved in their profession and considering the money they are paid most happily take that risk ."
How often do footballers head balls though, does it only take once to do it or are they regulary using their head? Someone should remind them its called 'foot'ball  |
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By *ark979Man
over a year ago
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Ive been a member of one amateur boxing club or another since i was 9 years old , over the last 25 years ive broken my nose three times , ive broken my jaw in two places and a titanium rod permanently in my jaw , broken both hands , my right hand twice , and once spent two months urinating blood because of some body punches , I havent been carded for about 3 years , had a few sparring sessions but that was it , I hate pain but i love boxing ,
I do not think any sport should be banned , i think it is the duty of any sport governing body to be honest about any potential health risks and leave it up to the participants to deciide
Havent been inside a boxing gym in about 18 months , I feel so slovenly , when this all calms down im back to training |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Problem is that as a prop... scrummaging is a essential part of the job... otherwise union is basically league with a throw in every so often....
I never wanted to play in the coal face.. I was lucky enough to be quick and big... so I got to be an inside centre instead...
Which sport are non contact enough for you Tom... because I bet I could find horrible injuries in the most inoculous of sports...
I shattered a knee playing basketball... dislocated a shoulder ten pin bowling....broke an ankle skiing |
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It's a difficult issue. Banning sports that are very popular and contribute to people being fit and healthy doesn't seem a good idea. However, the incidence of such diagnosis is rising, as is the evidence linking many sports to those diagnosis. Different sports will need different remedies. Football is using lighter balls and banning heading for children. Rugby needs to look at how they can reduce head injuries and also the big collisions that are part and parcel of the game. Players seek contact rather than trying to go past an opposition player.
There also needs research to identify people at greater risk as some ex boxers even have no problems. There is some evidence that some people have a much higher risk of developing brain problems without being involved in sports. It would be sad to be told when you're still at school to be told you have to avoid contact sports, but could save you much misery and save much money for the NHS. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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While saying 'professionals are aware of the risks' may well be true; every professional has, at some stage, been a kid and playing grass roots sport. We need to be very careful of the law of unintended consequences.
Banning collisions in youth rugby deprives a player of skill development necessary for later stages. Moreover, poor tackle technique is a huge issue. The generation of players taking this case certainly didn't have textbook tackle techniques. Sure not every tackle will be perfect but I've watched games where individuals literally couldn't make an attempt of a technically correct tackle. This is certainly a component of the game that has improved greatly.
Are certain people more predisposed to this than other, yes. Is the way certain players play going to increase their risk profile, absolutely. |
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"Its easily resolved, just ban anything dangerous or wrap it up in cotton wool.
How would gladiators see todays so called sportsmen?
Mind you they didn't have where there's a blame culture back then.
Are we talking Roman gladiators or Jet/Wolf/Rhino-type gladiators?! If it's the former, then I for one am quite happy that someone got the cotton wool out one day and decided it was no longer a "sport" for men to fight to the death against each other and against wild animals. Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous
In other news, a snowflake somewhere decided we shouldn't send children up chimneys or to pick cotton fluff up from under moving machine. Bloody softies
Hey if its good enough for Santa, then don't knock it.
As for the fluff well we can give them a vacuum.
Yep, maybe its a bit too warm for the snowflakes due to global warming.
Todays prima Donna footballers snort chemicals and drink to excess but its got to be something else to blame, surely.
Go and watch the lower leagues. It's not all excess and flash cars "
I can't stand football in any league so will give it a miss thanks.
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I think it'd be interesting to find out what various sporting bodies knew about risk and when. What has been communicated to players, including youth? Is the risk appropriately conveyed compared to the knowledge that we have? Do the players meaningfully give informed consent? |
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