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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
Not fab specific but in general. Is it something you enjoy, especially if the subject matter is of interest? Do you think you're good at it when you do? Are you able to keep your cool and use logic based reasoning and facts instead of relying on emotion?
Or do you actively avoid it and are content in observing the back and forth exchange?  |
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over a year ago
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I (Mrs) do love a good debate. I like to think I’m logical and can form and articulate a viewpoint. I’m pretty good at keeping my cool unless I’m dealing with an idiot who doesn’t listen to what’s being said and just keeps banging on saying the same thing. Then I get very irritated. X |
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It depends.
If it’s a subject that I know about and the other people I’m debating with know about, but we have just got differing opinions on then yes. You can have reasoned debate about how you arrived at your different opinions faced with the same facts.
If someone, however presents an opinion based on no knowledge or the belief in false knowledge then I find it very hard to have reasoned debate and tend not to bother as it just winds me up. |
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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"I (Mrs) do love a good debate. I like to think I’m logical and can form and articulate a viewpoint. I’m pretty good at keeping my cool unless I’m dealing with an idiot who doesn’t listen to what’s being said and just keeps banging on saying the same thing. Then I get very irritated. X"
Do you think that tends to happen if you're not on the same level knowledge wise in relation to the topic? |
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In realife in person yes. I enjoy having a calm intelligent debate. It's good to hear other people's opinions. I mostly keep my cool unless it's by brother 
On fab I just like to observe. I don't like conflict and often don't like the way some of the threads evolve. I'm not going to debate with a keyboard warrior either x |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Travelling |
I love a good debate. A true debate, an passionate fueld debate thst does not descend in to raw emotion as that is when things start to turn nasty and the only resolve will be negative.
Too many people assume debate and conflict is automatically negative. When those things are very positive, it is the manner in which people are drawn in and act during a debate which make them negative. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I used to love to debate but I try and avoid it now. We have descended to opinion trumping facts and reasoned argument.
I am thinking of returning to judging debating competitions, when they return, as a way of learning to love debate again.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I (Mrs) do love a good debate. I like to think I’m logical and can form and articulate a viewpoint. I’m pretty good at keeping my cool unless I’m dealing with an idiot who doesn’t listen to what’s being said and just keeps banging on saying the same thing. Then I get very irritated. X
Do you think that tends to happen if you're not on the same level knowledge wise in relation to the topic?"
Oh I wouldn’t debate on a subject I had no knowledge of if it was relevant. So I suppose I’d expect others to behave similarly - and it’s irritating to realise that’s not always the case. A good debate needs a similar level of knowledge on both sides - otherwise it just becomes an argument or teaching. X |
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I like a good debate but it can be extremely frustrating when you have people that view things in very simple black and white, good and bad.
I find political debate, and the constant demonising of the other side, as a real failure if society.
Likewise people trumpeting opinions and gut feelings as if they're facts.
And don't get me started on the deplatforming of people who disagree with you.
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
From my observations on here it seems like reason is in short supply. My fab "debates" have largely arisen when I've taken on the plandemic/anti-vax brigade, and the anti-BLM, crypto-racist mob in the summer. Emotive issues certainly, but it's possible to deal with both critically and rationally, and I do so as that's the sort of debater I am.
I've found the unifying factor in both these groups has been a deep-rooted selfishness which defies reason, so sometimes even the best arguments fall on deaf ears. The irony is, the people don't tend to recognise selfishness at their motivator so cling onto the belief that on some level they're in the right. Through either wilful ignorance or stupidity they believe they have reason on their side... but then I recognise everyone wants to believe they're the hero in their own story, even though sometimes they're just an arsehole. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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I'm all for debating and particularly enjoy that kind of thread here, whether I get involved or sit back and watch depends on my level of interest in the subject matter, and personal comfort at being able to make a reasoned addition to the conversation at hand, which is something I always try to do rather than just blast out an opinion and expect it to be accepted.
However all too often here a differing opinion is seen as an attack, rather than just a differing opinion to be considered and weighed up and, if appropriate countered, and then, inevitably, things become contentious and resort to one oneupmanship with the original points made being lost or missed completely.
I wouldn't say I am a good debater, but I wouldn't say I'm bad either - I always try to provide reasoning and logic for my thoughts, but also know I can be a stubborn git and am not easily swayed from my viewpoint - although will always seek to acknowledge relevant counterpoints even if I disagree with them.
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I quite like to debate, it’s often a good learning curve, not only regarding the topic but also the people taking part.
I wouldn’t say that I’m adept at debating but I do like to take part. It all depends on the subject of course, if we are in my particular work arena I’m happy to get involved. It’s an area I’m not familiar with, that become my opportunity to learn .... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I do enjoy to debate yes, but I can be very opinionated at times which can annoy some.
There are several subjects that are quite sensitive to me so I keep away from those threads that discus them. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Isn't the point of debate that it's based on opinion? If it was based on pure fact then it would be one sided. "
Depends on the subject matter.
Two people debating which is best for a particular group for example. What they are pushing for is based on opinion, but that opinion will be rooted in facts.
Some people don't know they are wrong, feel their opinion is in fact... Fact. While the other person debates to change their opinion (which they view as fact) with other facts, not just an opinion.
So yes you are not wrong, but it is not as simple as you put it.
This right here is the start of a debate. |
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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"It depends.
If it’s a subject that I know about and the other people I’m debating with know about, but we have just got differing opinions on then yes. You can have reasoned debate about how you arrived at your different opinions faced with the same facts.
If someone, however presents an opinion based on no knowledge or the belief in false knowledge then I find it very hard to have reasoned debate and tend not to bother as it just winds me up. "
I supposed that happens more often when the subject is evidence based and the other person debates it on feelings rather than facts or knowledge? |
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I love a good debate, I've missed them on here....and in person with my work "sparring partner" since we've been working from home. They're fantastic brain exercise, a very good source of learning, and brilliant practice for quick thinking ability.
I do think it's a skill, and like any skill you need to practise regularly to keep it honed. At one time I would have said that I'm fairly decent at it, but I'm currently woefully out of practice 
I do disagree with the post above that says all debates are about fact...there are many things which can be debated, some pure opinion, some data that can be interpreted differently, some fact, or a mixture of those and/or other things. But whatever the subject, I think it should remain rational, emotionless, and points should be backed up by either facts or reasoning. |
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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago
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Im not great at debates, but thats because I am always right and anyone that disagrees with me is a poo poo head!
In all seriousness, I like a good debate especially when its a subject I am passionate about.
But as has been said above, its hard to get a decent debate going before it boils down to personal attacks and someone invokes Godwins law! |
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Yes I love it on here and in the pub with my mates God damn it I miss those nights. There's a few here who I often disagree with but we're always respectful about our differences. I don't particularly like debating with people who then start name calling etc just spoils it completely.
Not sure if I'm good or not but can sustain a debate with someone of the opposite opinion without upset. |
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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I think debating calmly and rationally about something you are passionate about is trickier than it sounds. Particularly for hot heads like me.
I keep out of it and leave it to more eloquent folk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Isn't the point of debate that it's based on opinion? If it was based on pure fact then it would be one sided.
Depends on the subject matter.
Two people debating which is best for a particular group for example. What they are pushing for is based on opinion, but that opinion will be rooted in facts.
Some people don't know they are wrong, feel their opinion is in fact... Fact. While the other person debates to change their opinion (which they view as fact) with other facts, not just an opinion.
So yes you are not wrong, but it is not as simple as you put it.
This right here is the start of a debate. "
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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"Yes I love it on here and in the pub with my mates God damn it I miss those nights. There's a few here who I often disagree with but we're always respectful about our differences. I don't particularly like debating with people who then start name calling etc just spoils it completely.
Not sure if I'm good or not but can sustain a debate with someone of the opposite opinion without upset."
That's the best way to go about it I feel. When they start ad hominem attacks it shows they can't really debate. |
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"Yes I love it on here and in the pub with my mates God damn it I miss those nights. There's a few here who I often disagree with but we're always respectful about our differences. I don't particularly like debating with people who then start name calling etc just spoils it completely.
Not sure if I'm good or not but can sustain a debate with someone of the opposite opinion without upset.
That's the best way to go about it I feel. When they start ad hominem attacks it shows they can't really debate."
I'd agree if you have to resort to name calling and personal insults, you've lost the debate in my opinion |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"Yes I love it on here and in the pub with my mates God damn it I miss those nights. There's a few here who I often disagree with but we're always respectful about our differences. I don't particularly like debating with people who then start name calling etc just spoils it completely.
Not sure if I'm good or not but can sustain a debate with someone of the opposite opinion without upset.
That's the best way to go about it I feel. When they start ad hominem attacks it shows they can't really debate.
I'd agree if you have to resort to name calling and personal insults, you've lost the debate in my opinion "
Agreed - but sadly is often the case usually starting with sly digs |
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Not these days unless it's with close friends/family. I can't be doing with online debates where a slight difference of opinion goes straight into some stranger launching into uncalled for insults and rants. The majority of them wouldn't dare say it to your face but are happy to be utter arseholes online. |
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I like it but not always on the forums, I cannot always keep up and type fast enough, so what I wanted to say gets posted already or the debate changes slightly so my point is mute.
Smaller groups or one on one in messages, is where I like to debate random topics |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I love expanding myself and feeding off others and vice versa. However it does depend who's debating and if they see it more as a competition with an individual prize rather than a search for a common understanding....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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But a lot depends on what the purpose of the date is. I, and many others, enjoy a debate as a source of learning, being open to others view, seeing things from a different perspective. For others, its a form of bulling, forcing their view and opinions on others, while some who lack emotional intelligence think the only purpose is to win, a run down the clock. |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"But a lot depends on what the purpose of the date is. I, and many others, enjoy a debate as a source of learning, being open to others view, seeing things from a different perspective. For others, its a form of bulling, forcing their view and opinions on others, while some who lack emotional intelligence think the only purpose is to win, a run down the clock."
Funnily enough, I've noticed this too sometimes. It shows a real weakness in debating ability (and general wit). Getting the last word often means nothing more than you're just boringly persistent... and the lengths some people do to achieve this are almost pathological... as if getting the last word was somehow validation, rather than gross egoism. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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People are too "woke" on here.
Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic.
We all judge.
And rightfully so.
If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts.
"Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But a lot depends on what the purpose of the date is. I, and many others, enjoy a debate as a source of learning, being open to others view, seeing things from a different perspective. For others, its a form of bulling, forcing their view and opinions on others, while some who lack emotional intelligence think the only purpose is to win, a run down the clock."
Your post reminds me of something I learned about the distinction between debate, discussion and dialogue.
Debate is about case making, with the aim of making the strongest case, supported by evidence, in order to win. So Win Lose.with a rhythm of two heavyweights trading blows sequentially.
Discussion has the same root as percussion and tends to have an argumentative percussive rhythm to it. Kind of beating each other up, trying to be heard. Most people involved generally feel exhausted by it as no one really listens except to interrupt and make their next point. So lose - lose
Neither debate nor discussion really have learning as an aim.
Whereas dialogue has learning at the heart of it as it is about the flow of meaning. Therefore the tone is one of inquiry, understanding each other’s perspectives in order to learn, laced with support and challenge too, but done in a spirit of mutual respect and enlightening conversation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People are too "woke" on here.
Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic.
We all judge.
And rightfully so.
If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts.
"Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge"
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Fair point. |
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"People are too "woke" on here.
Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic.
We all judge.
And rightfully so.
If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts.
"Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge"
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We should all judge, but we should be able to realise when not to reveal that judgement to others |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People are too "woke" on here.
Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic.
We all judge.
And rightfully so.
If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts.
"Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge"
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I love how that word has become weaponised so it can be thrown around as an insult now. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"But a lot depends on what the purpose of the date is. I, and many others, enjoy a debate as a source of learning, being open to others view, seeing things from a different perspective. For others, its a form of bulling, forcing their view and opinions on others, while some who lack emotional intelligence think the only purpose is to win, a run down the clock."
The thing is the kind of "debate" often had within the forums is very much opinion based and therefore subjective, and less likely to be a source of objective learning, apart from possibly about the other person(s) involved - and if you have two (or more) people with strong, and directly opposing opinions, it's unlikely that either will concede - it doesn't mean either has "won" or that one is bullying, just two people with different opinions, sadly it's too often called as "bullying" by one or the other as a means to shut an opposing opinion down - or an opposing opinion is seen as an attack rather than simply being the different perspective that you refer to, and accepting that, even if they can't agree with it. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I love a good debate especially over topics that begins with someone saying 'I don't understand why it's offensive..... ' "
Nothing wrong with people saying that though. It actually can be genuine in some cases, not always an excuse to be offensive. It is a great opportunity to then educate them and share another side of the subject matter. Some have never been in certain situations so generally won't understand how somethings could cause offense.
Sometimes it's just bullshit too.
However viewing it instantly as bullshit means you are going in to that "debate" with a narrow mindedness of your own which then injects direct conflict, heating things and very likely going to make them take the defensive and less negotiable anyway. Thus resulting in your opinion or fact rarely being viewed by them and the debate having gone in the opposite direction than it should. |
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"People are too "woke" on here.
Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic.
We all judge.
And rightfully so.
If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts.
"Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge"
I love how that word has become weaponised so it can be thrown around as an insult now."
Don't judge me!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People are too "woke" on here.
Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic.
We all judge.
And rightfully so.
If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts.
"Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge"
I love how that word has become weaponised so it can be thrown around as an insult now.
Don't judge me! "
I don’t understand your quip. What do you mean? |
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I absolutely love a healthy debate, even more so if the person has an opposing view or opinion to me. As long as it’s kept respectful and we can acknowledge each other’s points then agree to disagree then it’s fine |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People are too "woke" on here.
Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic.
We all judge.
And rightfully so.
If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts.
"Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge"
I love how that word has become weaponised so it can be thrown around as an insult now.
Don't judge me!
I don’t understand your quip. What do you mean?"
I don't know if you're joking.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I just can't be arsed anymore
It's quite often a waste of both energy and time
I'm fucked if I'm gonna waste my evenings trying to alter the mindset of someone who has already made their mind up and doesn't want it confusing with facts |
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By *ate_BMan
over a year ago
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"I love a good debate especially over topics that begins with someone saying 'I don't understand why it's offensive..... '
Nothing wrong with people saying that though. It actually can be genuine in some cases, not always an excuse to be offensive. It is a great opportunity to then educate them and share another side of the subject matter. Some have never been in certain situations so generally won't understand how somethings could cause offense.
Sometimes it's just bullshit too.
However viewing it instantly as bullshit means you are going in to that "debate" with a narrow mindedness of your own which then injects direct conflict, heating things and very likely going to make them take the defensive and less negotiable anyway. Thus resulting in your opinion or fact rarely being viewed by them and the debate having gone in the opposite direction than it should."
Exactly
I discuss tetchy topics with colleagues and I'm never surprised by how sure they are to share a 'fact' without it actually being a fact, and it isn't easy to correct someone without them being defensive but as you say 'it is a great opportunity to...share another side of the subject matter'. I learnt it's all to do with the delivery. |
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"People are too "woke" on here.
Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic.
We all judge.
And rightfully so.
If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts.
"Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge"
I love how that word has become weaponised so it can be thrown around as an insult now.
Don't judge me!
I don’t understand your quip. What do you mean?
I don't know if you're joking. "
Ironic joke |
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