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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
Coming off the back of the appreciation thread. Maintaining a good physique as we know takes effort and dedication. To fellow gym goers, what are your go to exercises for shoulders and back and what is your routine like?
Interested in a good discussion here. Over to you |
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Get a wheelchair, push uphill/off road, that'll sort you out
Being serious - incline bench press, lat pull downs, seated rows, lying on bench & pull up dumbbell rows (dunno the proper name), medicine ball work but mike's seated from the chair. Also I tow a weighted prowler - it stimulates uphill pushes. |
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Pendlay rows
Dumbbell rows
Seated cable rows done with a full stretch and a slow tempo
Odd object loading. Atlas stones, sandbags, kegs, fat pets, the sofa
Pull ups
Farmers carries
And lots of time and volume
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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"Get a wheelchair, push uphill/off road, that'll sort you out
Being serious - incline bench press, lat pull downs, seated rows, lying on bench & pull up dumbbell rows (dunno the proper name), medicine ball work but mike's seated from the chair. Also I tow a weighted prowler - it stimulates uphill pushes. "
The wheelchair bit I believe. It's a lot harder than it looks especially when not on a flat!
Great variety of exercises there |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pull ups.
Olympic bar shoulder press.
Seated single dumbell press
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This is my athome lockdown taining.
I do many more back excercises in the gym but above will give you a pump |
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I do
Dead lift
Pull ups
Single arm rows
And climb and fly a power kite
And SUP
Maybe some kettle bell work
According to research and my experience there is no significant difference between pull up grip width for lat activation and hypertrophy
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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"Pendlay rows
Dumbbell rows
Seated cable rows done with a full stretch and a slow tempo
Odd object loading. Atlas stones, sandbags, kegs, fat pets, the sofa
Pull ups
Farmers carries
And lots of time and volume
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Hmmm...i've never tried the seated cable rows before. Full stretch and slow tempo certainly makes it harder...especially if want to work on eccentric loading. |
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I work my back for strength, postural issues and pain prevention rather than size so my workout is probably going to be different to those going for width.
My favourite is close grip lat pull downs with the V bar attachment. I have a grip issue in my left hand due to a past injury and my hand doesn’t give out on me so quickly with the excercise. I also feel it more in the sides of my lats. Not sure if it's the slightly increased range of motion or just the fact I can get more of a work out with this excercise in before my hand stops working .
Other than that it's seated rows, bent over barbell rows with supinated grip, chest supported dumbell rows, seated cable rows, face pulls, straight arm pulldowns, back extensions and opposite arm and leg raises. I also get some lower back work worh RDLs and glute bridges.
I also like to mix up my back workouts sometimes lifting my max for lower reps and other times using a lower weight to do more reps, slower reps or reps with a pause. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"For a wide upper back it has to be wide grip pull ups and lat pull downs. "
Keep it simple. Pretty much all you need for bulk.
More weight, less reps.
The rest just tweaks shape.
Less weight, more reps.
Am sure you already know all this.
J |
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"For a wide upper back it has to be wide grip pull ups and lat pull downs.
Keep it simple. Pretty much all you need for bulk.
More weight, less reps.
The rest just tweaks shape.
Less weight, more reps.
Am sure you already know all this.
J "
I'd agree and add :
Its consistency that is the most decisive factor over weight or specific exercise |
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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"When training for posture I utilise unilateral exercises to prevent muscle imbalance from dominant side or a weak or injured body part "
That's a good idea and something I should do more often. A dumbbell bench press for example, is much harder to do with one arm at a time with the same weight as opposed to doing both at once as normally done |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For a wide upper back it has to be wide grip pull ups and lat pull downs.
Keep it simple. Pretty much all you need for bulk.
More weight, less reps.
The rest just tweaks shape.
Less weight, more reps.
Am sure you already know all this.
J
I'd agree and add :
Its consistency that is the most decisive factor over weight or specific exercise "
Exactly this. |
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"When training for posture I utilise unilateral exercises to prevent muscle imbalance from dominant side or a weak or injured body part
That's a good idea and something I should do more often. A dumbbell bench press for example, is much harder to do with one arm at a time with the same weight as opposed to doing both at once as normally done "
I almost never barbell press or pull
Fixed width bars can easily cause shoulder issues
I also almost always only pull up using rings or trx not a fixed bar |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've always struggled with wide grip pull ups not managing more than 3-4
Short grip ones that employ biceps far more are so much easier." try using the machine that helps u do them forgot what its called exactly but there a platform under you and you adjust the weight so it helps less or more then you will be able to do 10 on your own you start to add weight. When I stared the gym I could barely do 5 pull ups now I can do 10 pulls ups with 40kg around my waist not to mention the extra weight I've gained over the years. Stick at it alot of oeoe cant even dona pull up so 4 is pretty good |
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"Pendlay rows
Dumbbell rows
Seated cable rows done with a full stretch and a slow tempo
Odd object loading. Atlas stones, sandbags, kegs, fat pets, the sofa
Pull ups
Farmers carries
And lots of time and volume
Hmmm...i've never tried the seated cable rows before. Full stretch and slow tempo certainly makes it harder...especially if want to work on eccentric loading."
I just saw 'full stretch slow tempo'... In this thread, and all these big arms/shoulders, it's certainly got me going! Time for a cold shower xxher |
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"Pendlay rows
Dumbbell rows
Seated cable rows done with a full stretch and a slow tempo
Odd object loading. Atlas stones, sandbags, kegs, fat pets, the sofa
Pull ups
Farmers carries
And lots of time and volume
Hmmm...i've never tried the seated cable rows before. Full stretch and slow tempo certainly makes it harder...especially if want to work on eccentric loading.
I just saw 'full stretch slow tempo'... In this thread, and all these big arms/shoulders, it's certainly got me going! Time for a cold shower xxher"
nothing like a Sunday morning distraction |
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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"Pendlay rows
Dumbbell rows
Seated cable rows done with a full stretch and a slow tempo
Odd object loading. Atlas stones, sandbags, kegs, fat pets, the sofa
Pull ups
Farmers carries
And lots of time and volume
Hmmm...i've never tried the seated cable rows before. Full stretch and slow tempo certainly makes it harder...especially if want to work on eccentric loading.
I just saw 'full stretch slow tempo'... In this thread, and all these big arms/shoulders, it's certainly got me going! Time for a cold shower xxher"
Pleasant collateral effect of thread |
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Everyone will react to an exercise differently. For me lat pull downs and pull ups grow my back very well. Shoulders a machine press works well for me personally but still need to get side and rear delts done too. I fell then best on the cable machine. Just try lots and see what works best for you |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
I think the best 2 are wide arm pull ups or lat pull down and some kind of shoulder press , the trick as you get older is going heavy enough without injury and increasing the weight or reps each week, especially shoulder press at home without a machine
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"Anyone here frequently alternate between pronated / supinated grip for barbell rows? Find any real difference between them?"
I've seen a lot of conflicting information about which is better for what but personally supinated grip just feels better for me and I find it easier to keep proper form. I can do both but I just feel more comfortable. Sometimes I think it's all well and good researching what is good for what and what works for other people but often you feel it within yourself what works well for you personally and with what excercises you get the results you want. |
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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"I think the best 2 are wide arm pull ups or lat pull down and some kind of shoulder press , the trick as you get older is going heavy enough without injury and increasing the weight or reps each week, especially shoulder press at home without a machine
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I think a shoulder press with dumbbells is better than using a machine as it activates the core more. I'll agree that common sense is essential re weights and reps though it applies to various age ranges. |
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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"Anyone here frequently alternate between pronated / supinated grip for barbell rows? Find any real difference between them?
I've seen a lot of conflicting information about which is better for what but personally supinated grip just feels better for me and I find it easier to keep proper form. I can do both but I just feel more comfortable. Sometimes I think it's all well and good researching what is good for what and what works for other people but often you feel it within yourself what works well for you personally and with what excercises you get the results you want. "
Supinated grip tires my biceps more while with a pronated one i'll feel it more in the back; rhomboids especially (using same weight). |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"I think the best 2 are wide arm pull ups or lat pull down and some kind of shoulder press , the trick as you get older is going heavy enough without injury and increasing the weight or reps each week, especially shoulder press at home without a machine
I think a shoulder press with dumbbells is better than using a machine as it activates the core more. I'll agree that common sense is essential re weights and reps though it applies to various age ranges."
Depends if you want to activate the core and get a core workout while doing shoulders, or simply want to isolate and focus on shoulders.
Personally for shoulders I prefer a machine than lifting a pair of heavy dumbbells above my head as I’m I’m less likely to get injured. Same with incline chest, I got up to 36s last year and without a helping hand to get into position you can easily injure a shoulder or tricep
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"Anyone here frequently alternate between pronated / supinated grip for barbell rows? Find any real difference between them?
I've seen a lot of conflicting information about which is better for what but personally supinated grip just feels better for me and I find it easier to keep proper form. I can do both but I just feel more comfortable. Sometimes I think it's all well and good researching what is good for what and what works for other people but often you feel it within yourself what works well for you personally and with what excercises you get the results you want.
Supinated grip tires my biceps more while with a pronated one i'll feel it more in the back; rhomboids especially (using same weight)."
My biceps are weak as shit though |
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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"Anyone here frequently alternate between pronated / supinated grip for barbell rows? Find any real difference between them?
I've seen a lot of conflicting information about which is better for what but personally supinated grip just feels better for me and I find it easier to keep proper form. I can do both but I just feel more comfortable. Sometimes I think it's all well and good researching what is good for what and what works for other people but often you feel it within yourself what works well for you personally and with what excercises you get the results you want.
Supinated grip tires my biceps more while with a pronated one i'll feel it more in the back; rhomboids especially (using same weight).
My biceps are weak as shit though "
Arm wrestle to test that? |
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"Anyone here frequently alternate between pronated / supinated grip for barbell rows? Find any real difference between them?
I've seen a lot of conflicting information about which is better for what but personally supinated grip just feels better for me and I find it easier to keep proper form. I can do both but I just feel more comfortable. Sometimes I think it's all well and good researching what is good for what and what works for other people but often you feel it within yourself what works well for you personally and with what excercises you get the results you want.
Supinated grip tires my biceps more while with a pronated one i'll feel it more in the back; rhomboids especially (using same weight).
My biceps are weak as shit though
Arm wrestle to test that? "
Deal! Though I'm prepared to be annihilated |
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By *hillout OP Man
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"I think the best 2 are wide arm pull ups or lat pull down and some kind of shoulder press , the trick as you get older is going heavy enough without injury and increasing the weight or reps each week, especially shoulder press at home without a machine
I think a shoulder press with dumbbells is better than using a machine as it activates the core more. I'll agree that common sense is essential re weights and reps though it applies to various age ranges.
Depends if you want to activate the core and get a core workout while doing shoulders, or simply want to isolate and focus on shoulders.
Personally for shoulders I prefer a machine than lifting a pair of heavy dumbbells above my head as I’m I’m less likely to get injured. Same with incline chest, I got up to 36s last year and without a helping hand to get into position you can easily injure a shoulder or tricep
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I agree that if your aiming for max effort with low reps on that one the machine would be better. My view is if you struggle to maintain good form and stability with an exercise, either don't do it or cut back on load so it's safe.
I've treated far too many gym goers for bone headed stunts in my time |
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