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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago
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and nurture...? What is more important, nature or nurture? Do you believe that anybody can achieve anything given the right support or are your destiny and potential determined by your genes?
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"and nurture...? What is more important, nature or nurture? Do you believe that anybody can achieve anything given the right support or are your destiny and potential determined by your genes?
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Both, genes have a lot to do with it. If both parents have an iq of over 160 theres a pretty good chance the child has. But we all have a potential but we also have limits. I good have been fantastic at certain things and not at others, even if valuable quality time was spent equally on them.
Someone could teach me about technology and i still wouldnt have a clue, something different and i could become brilliant at it. Many fulfill their potential and many dont. But we all have limits, otherwise everyone would be stephen hawkins |
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"and nurture...? What is more important, nature or nurture? Do you believe that anybody can achieve anything given the right support or are your destiny and potential determined by your genes?
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I know a lot of research suggests genes are important but I'm led to believe we only use a fraction of our brain, maybe we have a bigger capacity for the nurture element than we currently think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Doing the job I do - I see which has the biggest pull and sadly its genes - I so so wish it was nurture cos then we could break many of the cycles of life that happen for the betterment of children |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I am far more given to the idea that Nurture is much more important that Nature.
I don't believe that those who go to public school are 'geneticaly better' than me, I believe that their ancesters were psycho's who beat people up to get their land and money.
I believe that you can take the children of a sink estate couple, at birth, swap them with the children or Royalty and no one would be able to tell the diference in outcome......... |
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"and nurture...? What is more important, nature or nurture? Do you believe that anybody can achieve anything given the right support or are your destiny and potential determined by your genes?
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I believe that an individual or a pair or group of individuals for that matter can achieve anything with the right vision and hard graft. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"there was a programme on tonight i missed it was about is it a coincidence that all the best sprinters had slaves as ancesters"
errr I don't think it is so much the slave thing, rather they come from stock that evolved to efficiently hunt, therefore the running power? |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"I am far more given to the idea that Nurture is much more important that Nature.
I don't believe that those who go to public school are 'geneticaly better' than me, I believe that their ancesters were psycho's who beat people up to get their land and money.
I believe that you can take the children of a sink estate couple, at birth, swap them with the children or Royalty and no one would be able to tell the diference in outcome......... "
george,i'm quite sure,public schools, and good genes,have very little in common.
i'm also quite sure,good genes,that go to public school,have a much greater chance of achieving their potential. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am far more given to the idea that Nurture is much more important that Nature.
I don't believe that those who go to public school are 'geneticaly better' than me, I believe that their ancesters were psycho's who beat people up to get their land and money.
I believe that you can take the children of a sink estate couple, at birth, swap them with the children or Royalty and no one would be able to tell the diference in outcome.........
george,i'm quite sure,public schools, and good genes,have very little in common.
i'm also quite sure,good genes,that go to public school,have a much greater chance of achieving their potential."
Presicely my point. You could be a fantastic genius, but if you are born on a sink estate the weight of probability is that you will go nowhere. |
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Our genetic inheritance has little or no bearing on our success in life, be it sporting or otherwise..it's only because we see the world through race-tinted glasses that we're inclined to describe all sorts of things, and not just running prowess, as having a racial bias. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Presicely my point. You could be a fantastic genius, but if you are born on a sink estate the weight of probability is that you will go nowhere. "
Cream always rises to the top. That saying exists for a reason and not just for describing what happens in a milk bottle.
If you swapped a baby born to an intelligent successful couple with a baby from a couple of no-hopers the child with good genes will do well wherever he finds himself, and the other will do well but only if he's handheld along the way, eventually he will fail. |
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"Presicely my point. You could be a fantastic genius, but if you are born on a sink estate the weight of probability is that you will go nowhere.
Cream always rises to the top. That saying exists for a reason and not just for describing what happens in a milk bottle.
If you swapped a baby born to an intelligent successful couple with a baby from a couple of no-hopers the child with good genes will do well wherever he finds himself, and the other will do well but only if he's handheld along the way, eventually he will fail."
In this context what on earth are 'good genes' |
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Nature plays a huge part in my experience.
I have two children. One is just like her dads side of the family... physically, in character, mannerisms, attitude, sense of humour, everything, and yet their dad and his family have been pretty much absent from our lives since she was 3. |
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"Nature plays a huge part in my experience.
I have two children. One is just like her dads side of the family... physically, in character, mannerisms, attitude, sense of humour, everything, and yet their dad and his family have been pretty much absent from our lives since she was 3."
Op was asking if nature or nurture is the determinant in achieving success...not the validity of Genotypes. |
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"Our genetic inheritance has little or no bearing on our success in life, be it sporting or otherwise..it's only because we see the world through race-tinted glasses that we're inclined to describe all sorts of things, and not just running prowess, as having a racial bias."
Having known family, friends and colleagues die early (very early in some cases)of natural causes, i would say that nature/genes play a very important part.
Life itself is success. |
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"Presicely my point. You could be a fantastic genius, but if you are born on a sink estate the weight of probability is that you will go nowhere.
Cream always rises to the top. That saying exists for a reason and not just for describing what happens in a milk bottle.
If you swapped a baby born to an intelligent successful couple with a baby from a couple of no-hopers the child with good genes will do well wherever he finds himself, and the other will do well but only if he's handheld along the way, eventually he will fail."
Shit floats to the top Wishy ..... ask my son the chimpanzee |
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"Our genetic inheritance has little or no bearing on our success in life, be it sporting or otherwise..it's only because we see the world through race-tinted glasses that we're inclined to describe all sorts of things, and not just running prowess, as having a racial bias.
Having known family, friends and colleagues die early (very early in some cases)of natural causes, i would say that nature/genes play a very important part.
Life itself is success."
Of course, but the op was posing the question as to what degree nature/nurture plays in determining what we see as success in human activities ie..sport, business ..not in our ability to survive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Presicely my point. You could be a fantastic genius, but if you are born on a sink estate the weight of probability is that you will go nowhere.
Cream always rises to the top. That saying exists for a reason and not just for describing what happens in a milk bottle.
If you swapped a baby born to an intelligent successful couple with a baby from a couple of no-hopers the child with good genes will do well wherever he finds himself, and the other will do well but only if he's handheld along the way, eventually he will fail.
In this context what on earth are 'good genes'"
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.. I'm led to believe we only use a fraction of our brain, maybe we have a bigger capacity for the nurture element than we currently think. "
I'm afraid this is a myth. We do actually use all our brain though not all of it all the time. It depends what tasks we are doing which parts of the brain we use.
With regard to the question Nature (genes) is the biggest factor in what we can a achieve but nurture (environment) is also important and can make the difference.
Your parents can send you to Eton but you won't make it as a rocket scientist if you don't have a natural aptitude for it anymore than getting your child coached by Maradona will mean he'll turn out like Messi. |
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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago
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Apparently, and this is based on evidence published quite recently, "success" is only 20% genetic ability, the rest is down to 10,000 hours of practice (of whatever skill)and being at the right place at the right time (=opportunity knocking). Recently went to a lecture confirming this being the more recent thinking on "nature vs nurture" (will need to check the name of the professor as I cant remember it right now)
It also supports the idea of life long learning and development as well as the notion that you can learn new skills at any age; furthermore cerebral activity can delay onset and worsening development of dementia... |
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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Presicely my point. You could be a fantastic genius, but if you are born on a sink estate the weight of probability is that you will go nowhere.
Cream always rises to the top. That saying exists for a reason and not just for describing what happens in a milk bottle.
If you swapped a baby born to an intelligent successful couple with a baby from a couple of no-hopers the child with good genes will do well wherever he finds himself, and the other will do well but only if he's handheld along the way, eventually he will fail."
I am not sure whether this is always true, mathematical and linguistic ability for example alone and without motivation as a driving force will not make you an achiever; you still need a nurturing, supportive environment and that desire to succeed. This in turn is linked to self-esteem, self belief and support including a secure financial backing. (Not my ideas, just "reporting" what I listened to and heard recently ) |
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