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"probably to be avoided..
bloke used to be an establishment rebel raging against the machine etc..
and then does adverts for feckin butter...
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Even rebels eat butter  |
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"probably to be avoided..
bloke used to be an establishment rebel raging against the machine etc..
and then does adverts for feckin butter...
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I don't think he was ever really rebelious, more of a provocateur and still at it god bless him! |
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"probably to be avoided..
bloke used to be an establishment rebel raging against the machine etc..
and then does adverts for feckin butter...
Even rebels eat butter "
not 'working class ones' lol.. |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"I wonder if Dimbleby will actually allow him to speak, or interrupt him constantly as he does everyone else?"
Having saw him iner_iewed a few times I think he will be a match fro Dimbleby.
I found him to be very sharp and wittyand he calls a spade a spade. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"I wonder if Dimbleby will actually allow him to speak, or interrupt him constantly as he does everyone else?
Having saw him iner_iewed a few times I think he will be a match fro Dimbleby.
I found him to be very sharp and wittyand he calls a spade a spade."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"probably to be avoided..
bloke used to be an establishment rebel raging against the machine etc..
and then does adverts for feckin butter...
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Every rebel has a price  |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"He was a young punk rocker and did what punk rockers did then.
Is he now to be slated for earning a living?
I admire him for sucking up to no one."
he himself put down with venom,the very person he has become.  |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"isn't question time usually live??? ... notice they didn't take that chance with lydon on tonight... the background windows are definately daylight... "
I thought it was aired as live but not actually live as it's filmed around 8pm.
Dominic Lawson looking more like his father than ever. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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I thought it was aired as live but not actually live as it's filmed around 8pm.
Dominic Lawson looking more like his father than ever."
didn't know that... thanks for putting me right... I am sure thats the first time its come with a "swearing advisorary" though... |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"isn't question time usually live??? ... notice they didn't take that chance with lydon on tonight... the background windows are definately daylight...
I thought it was aired as live but not actually live as it's filmed around 8pm.
Dominic Lawson looking more like his father than ever."
Much pefer his sister. |
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"Totally disagree with his stance on drugs."
why?
whats wrong with self determination?
if the celebrity culture in the world didnt glamourise class A drug use (the likes of supermodels and film stars that do these things at 'parties') and the reality brought home to people more, then surely a persons choice is their own, no? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Totally disagree with his stance on drugs."
The thing with Drugs is that, the 'War' is not being won. The Prohibition on Alcahol in 1920's and 1930's US was not successfull, and not only was the law not respected it was circumvented easily enough. Not only that but the trade ws driven into the hands of the Criminals (Al Capone was not the only hood involved).
Drugs being illegal is not stoppinig people using them and on that basis I ridicule the idea that since they are so easily available at the moment making them legal (and taxing them) will increase use...... |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"Totally disagree with his stance on drugs.
why?
whats wrong with self determination?
if the celebrity culture in the world didnt glamourise class A drug use (the likes of supermodels and film stars that do these things at 'parties') and the reality brought home to people more, then surely a persons choice is their own, no?"
Correct but I can still disagree with it whether I am right or wrong. |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"Totally disagree with his stance on drugs.
The thing with Drugs is that, the 'War' is not being won. The Prohibition on Alcahol in 1920's and 1930's US was not successfull, and not only was the law not respected it was circumvented easily enough. Not only that but the trade ws driven into the hands of the Criminals (Al Capone was not the only hood involved).
Drugs being illegal is not stoppinig people using them and on that basis I ridicule the idea that since they are so easily available at the moment making them legal (and taxing them) will increase use......"
Making them legal risks making it more socialy acceptable and no doubt some who would not normally have dabbled would be inclined to give them a go.
I think myself being one who would have tried if they were legal when I was 18. and |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Drugs are illegal for a reason.
Do you realise that there are more people are addicted to legal drugs such as pain killers?
I'm anti-drugs, illegal and SOME legal. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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We have huge problems with tobacco and alcohol, both legal. Both also available legally and taxed and illegally and dangerous. The same would happen with the drugs market.
That said, I don't think we have the right approach yet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Johnny's a dirty bastard but he sticks to his _iews. Drugs are pretty bad but the right to choose is what we should have. They have given homos legal sex, they let smokers choose to smoke, alkies booze to drink so we should be able to choose stuff for ourselves. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"Johnny's a dirty bastard but he sticks to his _iews. Drugs are pretty bad but the right to choose is what we should have. They have given homos legal sex, they let smokers choose to smoke, alkies booze to drink so we should be able to choose stuff for ourselves. "
Homos legal sex |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Totally disagree with his stance on drugs.
The thing with Drugs is that, the 'War' is not being won. The Prohibition on Alcahol in 1920's and 1930's US was not successfull, and not only was the law not respected it was circumvented easily enough. Not only that but the trade ws driven into the hands of the Criminals (Al Capone was not the only hood involved).
Drugs being illegal is not stoppinig people using them and on that basis I ridicule the idea that since they are so easily available at the moment making them legal (and taxing them) will increase use......
Making them legal risks making it more socialy acceptable and no doubt some who would not normally have dabbled would be inclined to give them a go.
I think myself being one who would have tried if they were legal when I was 18. and "
Acceptable in the same way that alcahol (a far more camaging drug than canabis) could be made less culturaly acceptable if it were made illegal?
Perhaps you ought to have given them a try.......Did you try booze cos it was legal? Or did you try it because everyone else was doing it? Cigaretes? Coffee?
There are diferences in gradation of legality and, to be frank, I know people from a lot of different walks of life who have contrasting _iews, but there are many who would say that swinging is socialy devisive....... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Johnny's a dirty bastard but he sticks to his _iews. Drugs are pretty bad but the right to choose is what we should have. They have given homos legal sex, they let smokers choose to smoke, alkies booze to drink so we should be able to choose stuff for ourselves.
Homos legal sex "
I know it is now but it wasn't 50 years ago. Give people the right to choose same with knocking your self off if you want. Govt tell you far too much what you can and can't do and you should have choice. |
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"Drugs are illegal for a reason.
Do you realise that there are more people are addicted to legal drugs such as pain killers?
I'm anti-drugs, illegal and SOME legal."
Canabis is illegal becasue a bloke who owned a load of forrests in the US felt his papaer business was threatened by his competitors making (far superior quality) paper from hemp.
He used his connections in the US senate to have Canabis and the cultivation of hemp illegal.
Following the 2nd World War, the US, having institutionalised the 'war on drugs' used it's cultural and political clout to have it's client states follow it's lead, hence the British drug laws of the 1960's. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Drugs are illegal for a reason.
Do you realise that there are more people are addicted to legal drugs such as pain killers?
I'm anti-drugs, illegal and SOME legal.
Canabis is illegal becasue a bloke who owned a load of forrests in the US felt his papaer business was threatened by his competitors making (far superior quality) paper from hemp.
He used his connections in the US senate to have Canabis and the cultivation of hemp illegal.
Following the 2nd World War, the US, having institutionalised the 'war on drugs' used it's cultural and political clout to have it's client states follow it's lead, hence the British drug laws of the 1960's. "
Weird that cos the MOD pump troops full of all sorts of drugs to keep them awake, be braver and fight harder |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"Totally disagree with his stance on drugs.
The thing with Drugs is that, the 'War' is not being won. The Prohibition on Alcahol in 1920's and 1930's US was not successfull, and not only was the law not respected it was circumvented easily enough. Not only that but the trade ws driven into the hands of the Criminals (Al Capone was not the only hood involved).
Drugs being illegal is not stoppinig people using them and on that basis I ridicule the idea that since they are so easily available at the moment making them legal (and taxing them) will increase use......
Making them legal risks making it more socialy acceptable and no doubt some who would not normally have dabbled would be inclined to give them a go.
I think myself being one who would have tried if they were legal when I was 18. and Acceptable in the same way that alcahol (a far more camaging drug than canabis) could be made less culturaly acceptable if it were made illegal?
Perhaps you ought to have given them a try.......Did you try booze cos it was legal? Or did you try it because everyone else was doing it? Cigaretes? Coffee?
There are diferences in gradation of legality and, to be frank, I know people from a lot of different walks of life who have contrasting _iews, but there are many who would say that swinging is socialy devisive......."
I tried alcohol because it was legal and thankfully never tried smoking and dont like coffee.
I know alcohol is far more damaging than drugs which is because it is legal and acceptable and there are even dens in every almost every town and village in the UK and if alcohol were to only be discovered tomorrow and knowing the damage it caused then I am sure it too would be illegal.
How come there is not the alcohol problem in mainly Muslim countries where it is banned? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How come there is not the alcohol problem in mainly Muslim countries where it is banned?"
What a good question..........It is probably some sort of cultural thing, the cult of the individual which has existed in the West (particularly the Anglo Saxon world), , but I don't have a ready answer. I'll have a think about it and get back to you.............
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Drugs are illegal for a reason.
Do you realise that there are more people are addicted to legal drugs such as pain killers?
I'm anti-drugs, illegal and SOME legal.
Canabis is illegal becasue a bloke who owned a load of forrests in the US felt his papaer business was threatened by his competitors making (far superior quality) paper from hemp.
He used his connections in the US senate to have Canabis and the cultivation of hemp illegal.
Following the 2nd World War, the US, having institutionalised the 'war on drugs' used it's cultural and political clout to have it's client states follow it's lead, hence the British drug laws of the 1960's. "
It has nothing to do with the psychotic side of the drug leading to mental health issues?
I realise the drug can help MS/ME sufferers, it has some benefits, but the illegal production that contain MANY harmful substances in its growth and nurture process are not helping matters for it's fight to be legalised.
The scale of drug wars over opiates and chemical styled drugs are the biggest problem of any culture.
Legal drugs, such as, codiene are BAD! No two ways about that. It is found in nearly every product related to pain and even colds remedies in some form or another.
It's the politics and power behind any drug that is the main killer. |
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No, it wasn't. All of the research into the psychological effects of drugs comes from the last 20-30 years ago, well after the control of narcotics.
The British government, lets not forget, fought two wars in China to stop them from prohibiting Indian opium in the 19th Century....... |
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"No, it wasn't. All of the research into the psychological effects of drugs comes from the last 20-30 years ago, well after the control of narcotics.
The British government, lets not forget, fought two wars in China to stop them from prohibiting Indian opium in the 19th Century......."
As I said "It's the politics and power behind any drug that is the main killer." |
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"No, it wasn't. All of the research into the psychological effects of drugs comes from the last 20-30 years ago, well after the control of narcotics.
The British government, lets not forget, fought two wars in China to stop them from prohibiting Indian opium in the 19th Century.......
As I said "It's the politics and power behind any drug that is the main killer.""
Hmmmm
I am not sure that either politics or power makes Heroin or Crack such deadly substances, or that they would ever make Canabis deadly...... |
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"No, it wasn't. All of the research into the psychological effects of drugs comes from the last 20-30 years ago, well after the control of narcotics.
The British government, lets not forget, fought two wars in China to stop them from prohibiting Indian opium in the 19th Century.......
As I said "It's the politics and power behind any drug that is the main killer." Hmmmm
I am not sure that either politics or power makes Heroin or Crack such deadly substances, or that they would ever make Canabis deadly......"
Who deals in crack and heroin? Sanctioned bodies/the government OR gangster/organised crime? Maybe both, one lot pays tax the other doesn't.
Cannabis is grown by both the government for medical and financial reasons and also organised crime/gangster organisations, one pays tax and the other doesn't.
On the side of the law the medical governed side of drugs are grown/made to safety standards, the ungoverned are grown/made purely to make profit from any means necessary.
There are a few things both organisations share and thats money and the power to distribute the said wares and both fight one another to do so, that is the political side of it and both want to make money from it too.
Power, money and politics, every country has it, does it and will continue to do it.
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We certainly need a scientific approach to drugs, based on evidence as well as what is appropriate for adults in democratic societies.
It seems pretty conclusive now that the war on drugs is lost. It also seems evident that adults want to take drugs that are _iewed sometimes as illegal. A huge problem that this 'war' has created is that we knowingly foster a culture where drugs are manufactured and sold illegaly, leaving people to ingest things of unknown purity, which is also damaging to our society.
An alternative system is needed where people are supported better, and this widespread potential for poisoning is minimised. Whilst some drugs could be _iewed as poisons, and we all know that people can overdose on many chemicals/drugs, at least control would prevent people from ingesting drugs that could just be arsenic but sold as something else.
I don't know what the exact solution is. It should allow adults to have control/responsibility for their own bodies, and it should ideally prevent £billions being earned by drug barons etc, and allow users access to safer drugs somehow. We'd also diminish our policing bills, as well jail costs etc, if people weren't automatically _iewed as criminals just because they choose to ingest something that the war on drugs doesn't like. Some countries have started taking some steps to forge a new reality, and this is refreshing. |
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He was most certainly different but oh so very predictable, in fact just as predictable as the 'suits' they have on there every week, legalise drugs etc, same old, same old. |
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"We certainly need a scientific approach to drugs, based on evidence as well as what is appropriate for adults in democratic societies.
It seems pretty conclusive now that the war on drugs is lost.
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Who says the war on drugs is lost? We only know what the situation is now, not what it would be if we legalise drugs. Is the war on speeding and burglary lost because it still goes on, do we simply roll over and give up?
Are we going to have the ridiculous situation where if you smoke in a pub you get find hundreds but if you take a line of you are ok. Who will sell these drugs, the state? Do we discount them when the dealers (who dont pay tax or vat) drop their prices to compete and they can afford to and unless we are going to give them away free all those who currently commit crime to pay for their habit will still do so, they have to get their money somewhere.
This current thinking of just legalise and it will all be ok is dreamland, we need to think this right thru and look at the possible/probable consequences first. |
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"Don't you think that the government (if it legalized and taxed) would just tax them so highly that people would still go buy the cheaper stuff? "
you would just get the same situation you have with cigarettes and the smuggling on them is huge. Legalisation isn't the answer but criminalizing it too doesn't work. I don't know if there is a perfect answer. |
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"Don't you think that the government (if it legalized and taxed) would just tax them so highly that people would still go buy the cheaper stuff?
you would just get the same situation you have with cigarettes and the smuggling on them is huge. Legalisation isn't the answer but criminalizing it too doesn't work. I don't know if there is a perfect answer. "
What you put is correct and I do not have any ready answers but the 'trendy' cry of legalise and all will be well is frankly rather simplistic, there will be consequences, maybe some good and some bad and probably some not even considered, personally I think it would make a bad situation worse.
But, as regards ciggies, there does not seem to be a huge crime situation (mugging/robberies/shoplifting etc) because people want their next ciggy but there does seem to be by people who get themselves addicted to a very expensive daily habit. |
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back to the thread..
he was predictably a pain in the arse..
came across as a bit pretentious tbh..
equally full of wind and piss as most of them who are 'regulars' on it..
wrong on drugs, self determination is an idealistic pipe dream..
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"Don't you think that the government (if it legalized and taxed) would just tax them so highly that people would still go buy the cheaper stuff?
you would just get the same situation you have with cigarettes and the smuggling on them is huge. Legalisation isn't the answer but criminalizing it too doesn't work. I don't know if there is a perfect answer.
What you put is correct and I do not have any ready answers but the 'trendy' cry of legalise and all will be well is frankly rather simplistic, there will be consequences, maybe some good and some bad and probably some not even considered, personally I think it would make a bad situation worse.
But, as regards ciggies, there does not seem to be a huge crime situation (mugging/robberies/shoplifting etc) because people want their next ciggy but there does seem to be by people who get themselves addicted to a very expensive daily habit."
Sorry, but, I know a huge number of police, prison office staff and have even met a ex magistrate (who ran the witness waiting rooms) who felt that it was rediculous to keep recreational drugs illegal and let the sale of alcahol be so comparatively unregulated.
The short term, narrow minded point of _iew is that by making something illegal you will stop people doing it. We have made it illegal, even declared war on use to stop people using recreational drugs. Would you not define victory in that war as being people not using drugs? If you do, then forces fighting the use of drugs are not loosing, they are routed.
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