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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?"
'They' are women who should be able to access healthcare in their own countries, and have control over their own reproductive health, no matter what your opinion is regarding abortion.
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
'They' are women who should be able to access healthcare in their own countries, and have control over their own reproductive health, no matter what your opinion is regarding abortion.
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"Yes
They will also have illegal abortions
Sickened"
this.
Its 2020 ffs...no one should be forced to have dodgy procedures like this because some government spaffstain decides what they should be allowed to do with their body.
Abortion should be safeand legal everywhere.
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It's horrific news.
Poland already had incredibly strict abortion laws, thus makes it almost impossible to have an abortion legally in Poland.
There have been a number of backwards steps in Polish law in recent years. They have a very conservative religious government 
So very sad for the Polish people. |
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So disheartening when u think of the struggle and fight Over the years to then basically go back in time undoing all the progress! We complain about the UK most of the time but tbf we have it pretty lucky compared to some countries. |
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"So disheartening when u think of the struggle and fight Over the years to then basically go back in time undoing all the progress! We complain about the UK most of the time but tbf we have it pretty lucky compared to some countries. "
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"Isn't this happening in America too? Men making decisions for women. 
Yes.
Or women making blanket decisions for other women.
If you don't like abortion, don't get one."
Mostly men, Poland's parliament is three-quarters male.
But mostly it's the religious making decisions for everyone; it's a Catholic majority country so the views of the Catholic Church become law. |
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"Isn't this happening in America too? Men making decisions for women.
Yes.
Or women making blanket decisions for other women.
If you don't like abortion, don't get one.
Mostly men, Poland's parliament is three-quarters male.
But mostly it's the religious making decisions for everyone; it's a Catholic majority country so the views of the Catholic Church become law."
Yes. But women are or can be complicit too.
I don't separate anti choices by gender
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"Isn't this happening in America too? Men making decisions for women.
Yes.
Or women making blanket decisions for other women.
If you don't like abortion, don't get one.
Mostly men, Poland's parliament is three-quarters male.
But mostly it's the religious making decisions for everyone; it's a Catholic majority country so the views of the Catholic Church become law.
Yes. But women are or can be complicit too.
I don't separate anti choices by gender
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But it is food for thought if it is true the statistic that 75% of the polish decision makers are male and they decide a rule that affects the woman’s body, does make u wonder would the decision be different if there were more females having the say xx |
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"Isn't this happening in America too? Men making decisions for women.
Yes.
Or women making blanket decisions for other women.
If you don't like abortion, don't get one.
Mostly men, Poland's parliament is three-quarters male.
But mostly it's the religious making decisions for everyone; it's a Catholic majority country so the views of the Catholic Church become law.
Yes. But women are or can be complicit too.
I don't separate anti choices by gender
But it is food for thought if it is true the statistic that 75% of the polish decision makers are male and they decide a rule that affects the woman’s body, does make u wonder would the decision be different if there were more females having the say xx "
Oh I know, but some women are just as bad. (Including ones who'll sneak off and have their own abortion where it's legal because they're special) |
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"Isn't this happening in America too? Men making decisions for women.
Yes.
Or women making blanket decisions for other women.
If you don't like abortion, don't get one.
Mostly men, Poland's parliament is three-quarters male.
But mostly it's the religious making decisions for everyone; it's a Catholic majority country so the views of the Catholic Church become law.
Yes. But women are or can be complicit too.
I don't separate anti choices by gender
But it is food for thought if it is true the statistic that 75% of the polish decision makers are male and they decide a rule that affects the woman’s body, does make u wonder would the decision be different if there were more females having the say xx "
Avoid the rabbit hole. Gender is a sideline. Polish women vote as much as men. Legislation was in place and has been *removed*. Same as Trump would do. What message are they portraying that gets them into power that so appeals to the women and men that vote them there.  |
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"Isn't this happening in America too? Men making decisions for women.
Yes.
Or women making blanket decisions for other women.
If you don't like abortion, don't get one.
Mostly men, Poland's parliament is three-quarters male.
But mostly it's the religious making decisions for everyone; it's a Catholic majority country so the views of the Catholic Church become law.
Yes. But women are or can be complicit too.
I don't separate anti choices by gender
But it is food for thought if it is true the statistic that 75% of the polish decision makers are male and they decide a rule that affects the woman’s body, does make u wonder would the decision be different if there were more females having the say xx
Avoid the rabbit hole. Gender is a sideline. Polish women vote as much as men. Legislation was in place and has been *removed*. Same as Trump would do. What message are they portraying that gets them into power that so appeals to the women and men that vote them there. "
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?"
Yes of course they'll travel like the Irish did for many many years. Ireland just swept crisis pregnancies `under the carpet` knowing only too well how many Irish women travelled to the UK. |
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?"
Are there not EU laws banning banning..if you get my meaning! |
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
'They' are women who should be able to access healthcare in their own countries, and have control over their own reproductive health, no matter what your opinion is regarding abortion.
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We should also extend access to reproductive health to taking gynaecological issues seriously even when they have no immediate fertility aspect.
Abortion access is crucial, but many women suffer quietly because gynaecological health is swept under the carpet. |
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Sadly Poland has continued over recent years to regress to a patriarchal Catholic theocracy. This is a logical consequence of the regression and unsurprising.
Similar effects are being seen under Trump in America. A second term would probably complete the regression there.
We see similar patterns in all theocratic countries.
However the laws they pass all make perfect sense from the evolutionary stage logic that pervades their thinking.
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The world is hurtling backwards in many ways. While people are consumed by the threat of the left, right wing, usually wrapped in nationalism or religious fanaticism, is growing and growing and growing.
I fully expect what is happening to take place in the US when Trump is re-elected, that will cause a domino effect across the west. |
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"The world is hurtling backwards in many ways. While people are consumed by the threat of the left, right wing, usually wrapped in nationalism or religious fanaticism, is growing and growing and growing.
I fully expect what is happening to take place in the US when Trump is re-elected, that will cause a domino effect across the west. "
I agree. Let’s hope he doesn’t get re-elected. There’s a very important educational job to bed one to stem the tidal wave of regressive thinking. Collapse or transform are the stark choices right now. |
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"The world is hurtling backwards in many ways. While people are consumed by the threat of the left, right wing, usually wrapped in nationalism or religious fanaticism, is growing and growing and growing.
I fully expect what is happening to take place in the US when Trump is re-elected, that will cause a domino effect across the west.
I agree. Let’s hope he doesn’t get re-elected. There’s a very important educational job to bed one to stem the tidal wave of regressive thinking. Collapse or transform are the stark choices right now."
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"I think the religious aspect seems to cause the problems in some countries but I don't think man bashing helps anyone's cause here"
Men really do have the most pathetically thin skin. "oh no, some people said that some men are not good! But I'm a man! Help, I'm being bashed!"
Any 'man bashing' in this thread is so far away from the point that it's ridiculous. |
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"I think the religious aspect seems to cause the problems in some countries but I don't think man bashing helps anyone's cause here
Men really do have the most pathetically thin skin. "oh no, some people said that some men are not good! But I'm a man! Help, I'm being bashed!"
Any 'man bashing' in this thread is so far away from the point that it's ridiculous. "
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"The world is hurtling backwards in many ways. While people are consumed by the threat of the left, right wing, usually wrapped in nationalism or religious fanaticism, is growing and growing and growing.
I fully expect what is happening to take place in the US when Trump is re-elected, that will cause a domino effect across the west. "
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"Well read the post about the male dominated parliament..
That's manbashing imo"
Which was immediately followed by a discussion on why gender is a sideline and women are part of the problem too.
Maybe be less sensitive? |
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?"
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one. |
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one. "
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America |
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America "
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable. |
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable."
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps |
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps"
God is something you live out, you're doing it right now and can't even see it. You think you can judge me, why? Because you think I have free will so you believe that I am more than the sum of my parts. That is a religious position.
If you didn't live out your belief in the ideal and the sanctity of the individual you would not believe in free will and so would be unable to judge anyone. They were always going to say or do what they did. |
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps
God is something you live out, you're doing it right now and can't even see it. You think you can judge me, why? Because you think I have free will so you believe that I am more than the sum of my parts. That is a religious position.
If you didn't live out your belief in the ideal and the sanctity of the individual you would not believe in free will and so would be unable to judge anyone. They were always going to say or do what they did."
I'm glad you feel you understand my philosophical position better than I do, and that Christian tenets are universal.
I disagree. |
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps
God is something you live out, you're doing it right now and can't even see it. You think you can judge me, why? Because you think I have free will so you believe that I am more than the sum of my parts. That is a religious position.
If you didn't live out your belief in the ideal and the sanctity of the individual you would not believe in free will and so would be unable to judge anyone. They were always going to say or do what they did.
I'm glad you feel you understand my philosophical position better than I do, and that Christian tenets are universal.
I disagree."
Of course I do, because I am judging you on how you act not what you say. Nobody really knows themselves. Literally half your brain is unspoken or rationalised. Religion is a description of it that's why it took tens of thousands of years to develop. |
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable."
I think we may find
God= vast number of human invented doctrines with no claim to any ideals
I also think as an atheist I dont agree with killing babies cant say i know an atheist who does
I have no idea what you mean by difficult replacing blood cult ideals
I have zero concept of a God and dont know what you mean by replace with new
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps"
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps
God is something you live out, you're doing it right now and can't even see it. You think you can judge me, why? Because you think I have free will so you believe that I am more than the sum of my parts. That is a religious position.
If you didn't live out your belief in the ideal and the sanctity of the individual you would not believe in free will and so would be unable to judge anyone. They were always going to say or do what they did.
I'm glad you feel you understand my philosophical position better than I do, and that Christian tenets are universal.
I disagree.
Of course I do, because I am judging you on how you act not what you say. Nobody really knows themselves. Literally half your brain is unspoken or rationalised. Religion is a description of it that's why it took tens of thousands of years to develop."
Ummm... Ok. You got any evidence for that? Real evidence?
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps
God is something you live out, you're doing it right now and can't even see it. You think you can judge me, why? Because you think I have free will so you believe that I am more than the sum of my parts. That is a religious position.
If you didn't live out your belief in the ideal and the sanctity of the individual you would not believe in free will and so would be unable to judge anyone. They were always going to say or do what they did.
I'm glad you feel you understand my philosophical position better than I do, and that Christian tenets are universal.
I disagree.
Of course I do, because I am judging you on how you act not what you say. Nobody really knows themselves. Literally half your brain is unspoken or rationalised. Religion is a description of it that's why it took tens of thousands of years to develop."
I think you're just regurgitating nonsensical doctrine |
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps
God is something you live out, you're doing it right now and can't even see it. You think you can judge me, why? Because you think I have free will so you believe that I am more than the sum of my parts. That is a religious position.
If you didn't live out your belief in the ideal and the sanctity of the individual you would not believe in free will and so would be unable to judge anyone. They were always going to say or do what they did.
I'm glad you feel you understand my philosophical position better than I do, and that Christian tenets are universal.
I disagree.
Of course I do, because I am judging you on how you act not what you say. Nobody really knows themselves. Literally half your brain is unspoken or rationalised. Religion is a description of it that's why it took tens of thousands of years to develop.
Ummm... Ok. You got any evidence for that? Real evidence?
If I fall pregnant I'll get an abortion "
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
I think we may find
God= vast number of human invented doctrines with no claim to any ideals
I also think as an atheist I dont agree with killing babies cant say i know an atheist who does
I have no idea what you mean by difficult replacing blood cult ideals
I have zero concept of a God and dont know what you mean by replace with new
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But you do, you act it out every single day. You think this blood cult was new when it was created? IT was a rebranding of Egyptian and even Vader belief systems. Descriptions of what it is to be a human. This is nothing to do with a physical scientific 'god' or a 'man on a cloud'. It is mythology.
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps
God is something you live out, you're doing it right now and can't even see it. You think you can judge me, why? Because you think I have free will so you believe that I am more than the sum of my parts. That is a religious position.
If you didn't live out your belief in the ideal and the sanctity of the individual you would not believe in free will and so would be unable to judge anyone. They were always going to say or do what they did.
I'm glad you feel you understand my philosophical position better than I do, and that Christian tenets are universal.
I disagree.
Of course I do, because I am judging you on how you act not what you say. Nobody really knows themselves. Literally half your brain is unspoken or rationalised. Religion is a description of it that's why it took tens of thousands of years to develop.
I think you're just regurgitating nonsensical doctrine "
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
I think we may find
God= vast number of human invented doctrines with no claim to any ideals
I also think as an atheist I dont agree with killing babies cant say i know an atheist who does
I have no idea what you mean by difficult replacing blood cult ideals
I have zero concept of a God and dont know what you mean by replace with new
But you do, you act it out every single day. You think this blood cult was new when it was created? IT was a rebranding of Egyptian and even Vader belief systems. Descriptions of what it is to be a human. This is nothing to do with a physical scientific 'god' or a 'man on a cloud'. It is mythology.
The problem you have is that you are judging something that is totally separate to science scientifically."
Your religion is true because literary tropes exist?
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
I think we may find
God= vast number of human invented doctrines with no claim to any ideals
I also think as an atheist I dont agree with killing babies cant say i know an atheist who does
I have no idea what you mean by difficult replacing blood cult ideals
I have zero concept of a God and dont know what you mean by replace with new
But you do, you act it out every single day. You think this blood cult was new when it was created? IT was a rebranding of Egyptian and even Vader belief systems. Descriptions of what it is to be a human. This is nothing to do with a physical scientific 'god' or a 'man on a cloud'. It is mythology.
The problem you have is that you are judging something that is totally separate to science scientifically."
So you're right and we must believe what you say because you're right and what you say is totally exempt from evidence because... reasons.
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
I think we may find
God= vast number of human invented doctrines with no claim to any ideals
I also think as an atheist I dont agree with killing babies cant say i know an atheist who does
I have no idea what you mean by difficult replacing blood cult ideals
I have zero concept of a God and dont know what you mean by replace with new
But you do, you act it out every single day. You think this blood cult was new when it was created? IT was a rebranding of Egyptian and even Vader belief systems. Descriptions of what it is to be a human. This is nothing to do with a physical scientific 'god' or a 'man on a cloud'. It is mythology.
The problem you have is that you are judging something that is totally separate to science scientifically."
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps
God is something you live out, you're doing it right now and can't even see it. You think you can judge me, why? Because you think I have free will so you believe that I am more than the sum of my parts. That is a religious position.
If you didn't live out your belief in the ideal and the sanctity of the individual you would not believe in free will and so would be unable to judge anyone. They were always going to say or do what they did.
I'm glad you feel you understand my philosophical position better than I do, and that Christian tenets are universal.
I disagree.
Of course I do, because I am judging you on how you act not what you say. Nobody really knows themselves. Literally half your brain is unspoken or rationalised. Religion is a description of it that's why it took tens of thousands of years to develop.
I think you're just regurgitating nonsensical doctrine
Half understood neuroscience to say that his half mind knows more than my half mind plus religious nonsense
The humour theory of medicine is older than Christianity. And yet people don't uphold it as wonderful. I wonder why "
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"Yes
They will also have illegal abortions
Sickened
this.
Its 2020 ffs...no one should be forced to have dodgy procedures like this because some government spaffstain decides what they should be allowed to do with their body.
Abortion should be safeand legal everywhere.
Lu "
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"Yes
They will also have illegal abortions
Sickened
this.
Its 2020 ffs...no one should be forced to have dodgy procedures like this because some government spaffstain decides what they should be allowed to do with their body.
Abortion should be safeand legal everywhere.
Lu
This "
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The problem you have is that you are judging something that is totally separate to science scientifically."
So total nonsense then. I could replace God in your ramblings with Mickey Mouse and it would be just as unfalsifiable.
Sympathy for my Polish sisters and hope they're able to reverse this soon. Religion has no place in law making. |
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The problem you have is that you are judging something that is totally separate to science scientifically.
So total nonsense then. I could replace God in your ramblings with Mickey Mouse and it would be just as unfalsifiable.
Sympathy for my Polish sisters and hope they're able to reverse this soon. Religion has no place in law making."
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps
God is something you live out, you're doing it right now and can't even see it. You think you can judge me, why? Because you think I have free will so you believe that I am more than the sum of my parts. That is a religious position.
If you didn't live out your belief in the ideal and the sanctity of the individual you would not believe in free will and so would be unable to judge anyone. They were always going to say or do what they did.
I'm glad you feel you understand my philosophical position better than I do, and that Christian tenets are universal.
I disagree.
Of course I do, because I am judging you on how you act not what you say. Nobody really knows themselves. Literally half your brain is unspoken or rationalised. Religion is a description of it that's why it took tens of thousands of years to develop.
Ummm... Ok. You got any evidence for that? Real evidence?
If I fall pregnant I'll get an abortion "
I am not sure abortion should be just another form of casual contraception...
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I am not sure abortion should be just another form of casual contraception...
Ok. I'm not sure you can make any assumption about how anyone uses contraception or rely on lazy stereotypes."
Well I will make an assumption..
Some people use no contraception, some people use the pill, some use condoms, some may even use the morning after pill and some will use abortion to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy..
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I am not sure abortion should be just another form of casual contraception...
Ok. I'm not sure you can make any assumption about how anyone uses contraception or rely on lazy stereotypes.
Well I will make an assumption..
Some people use no contraception, some people use the pill, some use condoms, some may even use the morning after pill and some will use abortion to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy..
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Interesting to read some people’s thoughts on Poland and their backward attitude. Parts of the UK are not much better when only a year ago abortion was illegal in Northern Ireland! The law was changed on October last year to decriminalise it and further legislation brought in in March 2020 to allow access to abortion in NI upto 10 weeks gestation. After 10 weeks women still have to travel to England! |
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"Interesting to read some people’s thoughts on Poland and their backward attitude. Parts of the UK are not much better when only a year ago abortion was illegal in Northern Ireland! The law was changed on October last year to decriminalise it and further legislation brought in in March 2020 to allow access to abortion in NI upto 10 weeks gestation. After 10 weeks women still have to travel to England!"
Both countries have a high concentration of Catholics. |
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I am not sure abortion should be just another form of casual contraception...
Ok. I'm not sure you can make any assumption about how anyone uses contraception or rely on lazy stereotypes.
Well I will make an assumption..
Some people use no contraception, some people use the pill, some use condoms, some may even use the morning after pill and some will use abortion to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy..
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Abortion isnt a casual form of contraception.
Women get pregnant through being physically attacked...that's traumatic in itself !
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I am not sure abortion should be just another form of casual contraception...
Ok. I'm not sure you can make any assumption about how anyone uses contraception or rely on lazy stereotypes.
Well I will make an assumption..
Some people use no contraception, some people use the pill, some use condoms, some may even use the morning after pill and some will use abortion to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy..
Abortion isnt a casual form of contraception.
Women get pregnant through being physically attacked...that's traumatic in itself !
This isnt black and white , its complex ."
Yes. And as the reply was to me... I've never been pregnant, as it happens. But I'm glad abortion exists for those who need it. And I would use it if I needed to. |
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I am not sure abortion should be just another form of casual contraception...
Ok. I'm not sure you can make any assumption about how anyone uses contraception or rely on lazy stereotypes.
Well I will make an assumption..
Some people use no contraception, some people use the pill, some use condoms, some may even use the morning after pill and some will use abortion to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy..
Abortion isnt a casual form of contraception.
Women get pregnant through being physically attacked...that's traumatic in itself !
This isnt black and white , its complex .
Yes. And as the reply was to me... I've never been pregnant, as it happens. But I'm glad abortion exists for those who need it. And I would use it if I needed to."
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps
God is something you live out, you're doing it right now and can't even see it. You think you can judge me, why? Because you think I have free will so you believe that I am more than the sum of my parts. That is a religious position.
If you didn't live out your belief in the ideal and the sanctity of the individual you would not believe in free will and so would be unable to judge anyone. They were always going to say or do what they did.
I'm glad you feel you understand my philosophical position better than I do, and that Christian tenets are universal.
I disagree.
Of course I do, because I am judging you on how you act not what you say. Nobody really knows themselves. Literally half your brain is unspoken or rationalised. Religion is a description of it that's why it took tens of thousands of years to develop.
Ummm... Ok. You got any evidence for that? Real evidence?
If I fall pregnant I'll get an abortion
I am not sure abortion should be just another form of casual contraception...
"
Abortion should be available to any pregnant person who wants one, for any reason
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"Poland are banning almost abortions. I am not saying I am for or against but won't they just go to another EU country for them?
The EU should step in and tell them they can't do it. God knows the EU steps in with other lesser issues they should intervene on this one.
Apararantly according to the interpretation of many God texts the God character apparently stipulates that it will be displeased if women murder fetuses
Personally I feel basing laws upon the distorted morals of bronze age blood cults is in humane and unhealthy indoctrination
But then we only need to look at Ireland and America
You can't get an ought from a fact. These 'bronze age traditions' took that long to develop. You think you can replace them with something new in five minutes? Yeah we tried that and it lead to the deaths of over 100 million people.
Think of it this way;
God = the ideal we strive towards, self actualisation.
Sin = Latin archery term to 'miss the mark' to not live up to that ideal.
Christians think that it is not ideal to kill babies, and it is clear in recent decades that the rights of grown women with access to contraception have dominated the rights of babies to not be killed. A balance is reasonable.
God = an invention of ancient cultures
Sin = a tenet of some versions of the god concept
Hope that helps
God is something you live out, you're doing it right now and can't even see it. You think you can judge me, why? Because you think I have free will so you believe that I am more than the sum of my parts. That is a religious position.
If you didn't live out your belief in the ideal and the sanctity of the individual you would not believe in free will and so would be unable to judge anyone. They were always going to say or do what they did.
I'm glad you feel you understand my philosophical position better than I do, and that Christian tenets are universal.
I disagree.
Of course I do, because I am judging you on how you act not what you say. Nobody really knows themselves. Literally half your brain is unspoken or rationalised. Religion is a description of it that's why it took tens of thousands of years to develop.
Ummm... Ok. You got any evidence for that? Real evidence?
If I fall pregnant I'll get an abortion
I am not sure abortion should be just another form of casual contraception...
Abortion should be available to any pregnant person who wants one, for any reason
They don't need you to be sure about anything "
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I do not believe in abortion as a form of contraception.
I do believe that most women making that decision find it very difficult and don't do so lightly.
When necessary, it should be in safe, non judgement surroundings.
My heart sinks when I think of what women had to previously go through (back street abortion) .
Things must be bad enough without persecuting them further!
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"Societies only move forward and never backward...
On what basis are you saying that?
On the basis that we only move forward.. never backwards "
In passing - 'forward' is a relative term based around a concept of direction thats humans possess, but "society" cannot.
Semantic games aside; a previous ruling on abortion - which was the result of thoughts of people, their laws and processes, has now been *undone*, to the apparent detriment of the majority in their society. If the role of society is to improve the well being of the individuals within it, it is hard to see how this is not a "backwards" step by most reasonable secular definitions. |
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"Societies only move forward and never backward...
On what basis are you saying that?
On the basis that we only move forward.. never backwards "
We can only move forward because we move forward?
Circular logic is circular |
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I find disgusting that governments think they can decide and tell women what they should be able to do, I hate how people in power so to speak think they know what's best when they have absolutely no idea how someone's life is |
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It's like what is happening in Syria someone was talking about it the other day on the news saying how bad the pandemic is over there but they are still having kids left right and centre unfortunately there are some countries out there that ban and allow certain things no offence to Syria but bringing up kids in a country like that is no good for anyone I know it talking about Poland here before anyone has a go at me |
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Among the rambling I think I understand part of what Johnny is trying to say above about religion.
If you believe there is no such thing as a god (or gods) and that we are all just a bunch of chemicals reacting together in accordance with the deterministic laws of physics, then there is no room for free will. Which particular chemical reaction in our brain is the seat of choice? How does it change the reactions going on around it such that they don't continue to evolve in a purely deterministic fashion? His argument is that the very belief in free will involves a necessary belief in something (soul, spirit, call it what you want) that is both somehow 'more than' the the basic chemical process that we observe and call life and is therefore able to exercise choice.
His argument is that if we acknowledge a woman's right to choose, we have to acknowledge that the concepts of 'woman' and 'choice' refer to ideas that of necessity involve there being more to reality than simple atoms obeying the laws of physics.
My belief is that he is wrong. I do believe that we are all just atoms obeying the laws of physics and quantum mechanics BUT given our very incomplete understanding of these laws there are useful ideas and a useful language that makes sense to us in the world we live in.
Free will (and indeed abortion) are concepts that have no real meaning if we look at life at the level of quantum mechanics in the interactions of the neurons in our brains. However, they are useful ideas in the more macroscopic world of every day life. They help us understand the world around us and negotiate our path in it. If in millenia to come our understanding of reality reaches a point where we can scan a person's brain and know beforehand the 'choices' they will make based on the flow of electrons in their neuronal networks, we may look back at today and think how quaint it is that people believed in free will, choice, personal responsibility etc. For the moment however these are useful concept that can be used without forcing a person to believe in souls or gods, it it just a language that is helpful within a limited domain of applicability.
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Good job we got out the Eu. What happens when you empty the youngest and brightest from a country so they can wipe down the tables in the cafe at Morrison’s in Cleethorps I mean pepper spraying women in the street...... just writing those words make me shudder. |
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"Among the rambling I think I understand part of what Johnny is trying to say above about religion.
If you believe there is no such thing as a god (or gods) and that we are all just a bunch of chemicals reacting together in accordance with the deterministic laws of physics, then there is no room for free will. Which particular chemical reaction in our brain is the seat of choice? How does it change the reactions going on around it such that they don't continue to evolve in a purely deterministic fashion? His argument is that the very belief in free will involves a necessary belief in something (soul, spirit, call it what you want) that is both somehow 'more than' the the basic chemical process that we observe and call life and is therefore able to exercise choice.
His argument is that if we acknowledge a woman's right to choose, we have to acknowledge that the concepts of 'woman' and 'choice' refer to ideas that of necessity involve there being more to reality than simple atoms obeying the laws of physics.
My belief is that he is wrong. I do believe that we are all just atoms obeying the laws of physics and quantum mechanics BUT given our very incomplete understanding of these laws there are useful ideas and a useful language that makes sense to us in the world we live in.
Free will (and indeed abortion) are concepts that have no real meaning if we look at life at the level of quantum mechanics in the interactions of the neurons in our brains. However, they are useful ideas in the more macroscopic world of every day life. They help us understand the world around us and negotiate our path in it. If in millenia to come our understanding of reality reaches a point where we can scan a person's brain and know beforehand the 'choices' they will make based on the flow of electrons in their neuronal networks, we may look back at today and think how quaint it is that people believed in free will, choice, personal responsibility etc. For the moment however these are useful concept that can be used without forcing a person to believe in souls or gods, it it just a language that is helpful within a limited domain of applicability.
Mr"
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"And now look - women are DYING with these draconian laws .
Where?"
Poland - we had this exact situation in Ireland with Salvita . I’m truly disgusted , my heart is with the women of Poland . |
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"At first I read the title as Poundland Abortions. I thought to my self is there anything they don't sell now 
I mean they do sell coat hangers …… "
Ture and non-brand paracetamol and small pen torches. Wouldn't put past them to offer a 3 for 2. |
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"At first I read the title as Poundland Abortions. I thought to my self is there anything they don't sell now
I mean they do sell coat hangers ……
Ture and non-brand paracetamol and small pen torches. Wouldn't put past them to offer a 3 for 2."
At the rate we are going women are going to be needing the 3 for 2 if accessing health care is going to be so fucking difficult and a risk to your actual life ! |
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"And now look - women are DYING with these draconian laws .
Where?
In Poland.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59206683.amp
It's all over the news. "
Bloody hell!! She just needed help. 2021 my arse. |
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Bloody hell!! She just needed help. 2021 my arse. "
It’s abhorrent that this woman was handed a death sentence despite the fact that her pregnancy would not continue following early rupture of membranes and numerous defects with the fetus . They knew how this would end for the pregnancy yet the need to control women and their bodies is strong that she paid with her life . The text message she sent to her mother was so heartbreaking …. |
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Bloody hell!! She just needed help. 2021 my arse.
It’s abhorrent that this woman was handed a death sentence despite the fact that her pregnancy would not continue following early rupture of membranes and numerous defects with the fetus . They knew how this would end for the pregnancy yet the need to control women and their bodies is strong that she paid with her life . The text message she sent to her mother was so heartbreaking …. "
The doctors need to be charged with manslaughter. The world disgusts me sometimes. 30 years old. |
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