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yes.
I have very strong opinions regarding cheating.
I'm not foolish enough to think I'm an expert on individual circumstances, however I'm perfectly qualified to stamp my feet and express how I have been impacted by it. |
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"If you have such strong opinions, would you know you have limited knowledge in the subject?
That's just willful ignorance..."
Welcome to the digital age |
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I have limited knowledge about black holes, but hold a very strong view that Steven Hawkins was deemed a scientists mainly because if his disability. If it wasn't for this fact, his research on the subject, in all honesty, is pretty mediocre... |
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"If you have such strong opinions, would you know you have limited knowledge in the subject?
That's just willful ignorance...
It's Dunning Kruger syndrome. It's very common."
It’s rife |
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"If you have such strong opinions, would you know you have limited knowledge in the subject?
That's just willful ignorance...
It's Dunning Kruger syndrome. It's very common."
After a quick Google search, I now know everything about this  |
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"If you have such strong opinions, would you know you have limited knowledge in the subject?
That's just willful ignorance...
It's Dunning Kruger syndrome. It's very common.
After a quick Google search, I now know everything about this "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you have such strong opinions, would you know you have limited knowledge in the subject?
That's just willful ignorance...
It's Dunning Kruger syndrome. It's very common.
It’s rife "
Especially on here. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Do you have any strong opinions on things you know nothing about, if you do let’s hear them here.
You mean like priest going on about sin?
Or is that not a great example?"
I dunno, maybe, think I’ve taken on more than I’m prepared to think about at this hour. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Read any thread about slightly controversial topics and you'll find the people who do.  "
Yeah, the worst thing is when you have knowledge on a subject, cause it’s only then you realise how much bollocks gets spouted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you have any strong opinions on things you know nothing about, if you do let’s hear them here.
You mean like priest going on about sin?
Or is that not a great example?
I dunno, maybe, think I’ve taken on more than I’m prepared to think about at this hour."
You really have |
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By *eliWoman
over a year ago
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"Read any thread about slightly controversial topics and you'll find the people who do.
Yeah, the worst thing is when you have knowledge on a subject, cause it’s only then you realise how much bollocks gets spouted."
Yep. I don't think I have all the knowledge but I know I have a fair deal more than the crap spouted at times. I tend to avoid certain threads now (unless I can't keep sitting on my hands) because it's just a bit futile. Mellow Meli remains. |
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"Read any thread about slightly controversial topics and you'll find the people who do.
Yeah, the worst thing is when you have knowledge on a subject, cause it’s only then you realise how much bollocks gets spouted."
Yep there certainly is a whole lot of that spouted out these days. Makes me wonder about evolution of our species, if it ever happened. Lol.
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"If you have such strong opinions, would you know you have limited knowledge in the subject?
That's just willful ignorance...
It's Dunning Kruger syndrome. It's very common.
It’s rife
Especially on here."
Not just here - it's an internet forum thing generally - people proclaim themselves expert on all manner of things....the phrase "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" was way ahead of it's time |
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"Read any thread about slightly controversial topics and you'll find the people who do.
Yeah, the worst thing is when you have knowledge on a subject, cause it’s only then you realise how much bollocks gets spouted.
Yep there certainly is a whole lot of that spouted out these days. Makes me wonder about evolution of our species, if it ever happened. Lol.
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I don't think there's more spouted out, but social media has just given them a widespread platform whereas before, they would just be in their own little, weird social circles |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Read any thread about slightly controversial topics and you'll find the people who do.
Yeah, the worst thing is when you have knowledge on a subject, cause it’s only then you realise how much bollocks gets spouted.
Yep. I don't think I have all the knowledge but I know I have a fair deal more than the crap spouted at times. I tend to avoid certain threads now (unless I can't keep sitting on my hands) because it's just a bit futile. Mellow Meli remains. "
Yeah, I’ve finally learnt to stay away from certain threads now for the same reason, took awhile to work it out. |
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"Read any thread about slightly controversial topics and you'll find the people who do.
Yeah, the worst thing is when you have knowledge on a subject, cause it’s only then you realise how much bollocks gets spouted.
Yep there certainly is a whole lot of that spouted out these days. Makes me wonder about evolution of our species, if it ever happened. Lol.
I don't think there's more spouted out, but social media has just given them a widespread platform whereas before, they would just be in their own little, weird social circles "
The man in the pub can air his uniformed opinions to everyone now. |
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"If you have such strong opinions, would you know you have limited knowledge in the subject?
That's just willful ignorance...
It's Dunning Kruger syndrome. It's very common.
It’s rife
Especially on here.
Not just here - it's an internet forum thing generally - people proclaim themselves expert on all manner of things....the phrase "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" was way ahead of it's time "
Like Facebook Karen who is obviously highly trained in "the Rona'" |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"If you have such strong opinions, would you know you have limited knowledge in the subject?
That's just willful ignorance...
It's Dunning Kruger syndrome. It's very common.
It’s rife
Especially on here.
Not just here - it's an internet forum thing generally - people proclaim themselves expert on all manner of things....the phrase "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" was way ahead of it's time
Like Facebook Karen who is obviously highly trained in "the Rona'" "
Exactly, and is one reason I avoid the Virus thread |
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"If you have such strong opinions, would you know you have limited knowledge in the subject?
That's just willful ignorance...
It's Dunning Kruger syndrome. It's very common.
It’s rife
Especially on here.
Not just here - it's an internet forum thing generally - people proclaim themselves expert on all manner of things....the phrase "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" was way ahead of it's time
Like Facebook Karen who is obviously highly trained in "the Rona'"
Exactly, and is one reason I avoid the Virus thread "
A few of those have reduced me to tears recently  |
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"I have limited knowledge about black holes, but hold a very strong view that Steven Hawkins was deemed a scientists mainly because if his disability. If it wasn't for this fact, his research on the subject, in all honesty, is pretty mediocre... "
Funny, the time i met him was before he had become totally disabled, and before he had become widely known outside of astrophysics circles. And it certainly seemed then that a good number of his peers were of the opinion that his work was anything but mediocre... |
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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Read any thread about slightly controversial topics and you'll find the people who do.
Yeah, the worst thing is when you have knowledge on a subject, cause it’s only then you realise how much bollocks gets spouted.
Yep there certainly is a whole lot of that spouted out these days. Makes me wonder about evolution of our species, if it ever happened. Lol.
I don't think there's more spouted out, but social media has just given them a widespread platform whereas before, they would just be in their own little, weird social circles
The man in the pub can air his uniformed opinions to everyone now."
Yeah the pubs are open  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you have such strong opinions, would you know you have limited knowledge in the subject?
That's just willful ignorance...
It's Dunning Kruger syndrome. It's very common.
It’s rife
Especially on here.
Not just here - it's an internet forum thing generally - people proclaim themselves expert on all manner of things....the phrase "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" was way ahead of it's time "
Especially on here by the same people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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'An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts which are true statements.'
Surely an opinion and knowledge are two seperate things?
I can state an opinion about anything regardless of knowledge.
Perhaps the question should be 'Do you pass your strong opinions off as facts on things you know nothing about?' |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If you have such strong opinions, would you know you have limited knowledge in the subject?
That's just willful ignorance...
It's Dunning Kruger syndrome. It's very common.
It’s rife
Especially on here.
Not just here - it's an internet forum thing generally - people proclaim themselves expert on all manner of things....the phrase "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" was way ahead of it's time
Like Facebook Karen who is obviously highly trained in "the Rona'"
Exactly, and is one reason I avoid the Virus thread
A few of those have reduced me to tears recently "
That is what they want...to instill fear and upset into the hearts of ordinary folk. |
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"If you have such strong opinions, would you know you have limited knowledge in the subject?
That's just willful ignorance...
It's Dunning Kruger syndrome. It's very common.
It’s rife
Especially on here.
Not just here - it's an internet forum thing generally - people proclaim themselves expert on all manner of things....the phrase "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" was way ahead of it's time
Especially on here by the same people."
Totally correct, but then there's the interaction between people who do know enough, and those labouring under KD... and they sound the same to each other. How do you ever break that standoff in favour on actual knowledge? |
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"'An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts which are true statements.'
Surely an opinion and knowledge are two seperate things?
I can state an opinion about anything regardless of knowledge.
Perhaps the question should be 'Do you pass your strong opinions off as facts on things you know nothing about?'"
One can have opinions which may or may not be based on knowledge. That basis may or may not be sound to whatever degree.
It's often difficult to tell what people base things on, and arguments become over style over substance. Shortcuts also happen given the format in which these discussions take place. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"'An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts which are true statements.'
Surely an opinion and knowledge are two seperate things?
I can state an opinion about anything regardless of knowledge.
Perhaps the question should be 'Do you pass your strong opinions off as facts on things you know nothing about?'"
An interesting and fair point - although arguably how can you hold an opinion about something you have no knowledge of whatsoever. At best that opinion would be very high level and superficial, and as a result not hold a great deal of validity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think most people have feelings about things they feel passionate about, despite the lack of knowledge. You only need to look at the US elections to see that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"'An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts which are true statements.'
Surely an opinion and knowledge are two seperate things?
I can state an opinion about anything regardless of knowledge.
Perhaps the question should be 'Do you pass your strong opinions off as facts on things you know nothing about?'
An interesting and fair point - although arguably how can you hold an opinion about something you have no knowledge of whatsoever. At best that opinion would be very high level and superficial, and as a result not hold a great deal of validity."
I often find that most people that give an opinion have some knowledge even if it's limited.
Problem often comes when people that think they know better totally rubbish that person's argument just because they don't know as much as them.
Also it depends whether you are coming to an opinion on an intellectual and fact based approach or a personal life experience approach.
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"I have limited knowledge about black holes, but hold a very strong view that Steven Hawkins was deemed a scientists mainly because if his disability. If it wasn't for this fact, his research on the subject, in all honesty, is pretty mediocre... "
Is this your demonstration of the principle of the thread?  |
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"Do you have any strong opinions on things you know nothing about, if you do let’s hear them here."
I'd break it into two. - I'm struggling to understand how anyone could have a strong opinion on something they know nothing about, unless it's a blatant emotional response to something unknown or unpicked on a personal level.
But having a strong opinion on something which isn't explicitly personal (racsim/Covid /why people should or shouldn't vote right or left /, fresh vs processed bread/beatles vs Stones, etc etc) but which you know nothing about, and KNOW you are ignorant about is bonkers.
And if this is related to forum spouting. Then that's even worse if you start vocalising it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"'An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts which are true statements.'
Surely an opinion and knowledge are two seperate things?
I can state an opinion about anything regardless of knowledge.
Perhaps the question should be 'Do you pass your strong opinions off as facts on things you know nothing about?'
An interesting and fair point - although arguably how can you hold an opinion about something you have no knowledge of whatsoever. At best that opinion would be very high level and superficial, and as a result not hold a great deal of validity."
An opinion isn't something which is 'true'. A fact is 'true'.
Difference between facts and opinions is that facts are verifiable. An opinion supported by facts is an argument. Given the same facts two people may come to two different opinions on what the facts mean. |
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"'An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts which are true statements.'
Surely an opinion and knowledge are two seperate things?
I can state an opinion about anything regardless of knowledge.
Perhaps the question should be 'Do you pass your strong opinions off as facts on things you know nothing about?'
An interesting and fair point - although arguably how can you hold an opinion about something you have no knowledge of whatsoever. At best that opinion would be very high level and superficial, and as a result not hold a great deal of validity."
Good point... Though that might mean that my opinions on matters of physics, mathematics, genetics, gender, philosophy, religion, epidemiology... could be more valid than some of the opposing viewpoints |
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"Do you have any strong opinions on things you know nothing about, if you do let’s hear them here.
I'd break it into two. - I'm struggling to understand how anyone could have a strong opinion on something they know nothing about, unless it's a blatant emotional response to something unknown or unpicked on a personal level.
But having a strong opinion on something which isn't explicitly personal (racsim/Covid /why people should or shouldn't vote right or left /, fresh vs processed bread/beatles vs Stones, etc etc) but which you know nothing about, and KNOW you are ignorant about is bonkers.
And if this is related to forum spouting. Then that's even worse if you start vocalising it.
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It’s called satire I think, I’m holding a mirror up and saying this is what a lot of people are like on social media, of course these people will have no idea it’s them cause they never do, this is part of Dunning-Kruger effect, that’s why arguing with them is futile, it’s the pigeon chess analogy. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"'An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts which are true statements.'
Surely an opinion and knowledge are two seperate things?
I can state an opinion about anything regardless of knowledge.
Perhaps the question should be 'Do you pass your strong opinions off as facts on things you know nothing about?'
An interesting and fair point - although arguably how can you hold an opinion about something you have no knowledge of whatsoever. At best that opinion would be very high level and superficial, and as a result not hold a great deal of validity.
An opinion isn't something which is 'true'. A fact is 'true'.
Difference between facts and opinions is that facts are verifiable. An opinion supported by facts is an argument. Given the same facts two people may come to two different opinions on what the facts mean."
I agree - my point though was that it's not always possible (although some here appear to be capable of it) to hold anything more than an extremely high level and superficial opinion over something you have no knowledge of at all.
For example if you asked me my opinion of the Dodge Viper car (first thing that came into my head) I have absolutely no knowledge of what one even looks like let alone how it performs etc to even hold an opinion of it beyond it's an American car.
So knowledge and opinion to an extent go hand in hand is what I was trying to say.
Of course as Lorna pointed out there are some things which are a little more subjective and "life" based for which the only knowledge really necessary is personal experience. |
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"'An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts which are true statements.'
Surely an opinion and knowledge are two seperate things?
I can state an opinion about anything regardless of knowledge.
Perhaps the question should be 'Do you pass your strong opinions off as facts on things you know nothing about?'
An interesting and fair point - although arguably how can you hold an opinion about something you have no knowledge of whatsoever. At best that opinion would be very high level and superficial, and as a result not hold a great deal of validity.
An opinion isn't something which is 'true'. A fact is 'true'.
Difference between facts and opinions is that facts are verifiable. An opinion supported by facts is an argument. Given the same facts two people may come to two different opinions on what the facts mean.
I agree - my point though was that it's not always possible (although some here appear to be capable of it) to hold anything more than an extremely high level and superficial opinion over something you have no knowledge of at all.
For example if you asked me my opinion of the Dodge Viper car (first thing that came into my head) I have absolutely no knowledge of what one even looks like let alone how it performs etc to even hold an opinion of it beyond it's an American car.
So knowledge and opinion to an extent go hand in hand is what I was trying to say.
Of course as Lorna pointed out there are some things which are a little more subjective and "life" based for which the only knowledge really necessary is personal experience."
But I could say the 'Dodge Viper is a really good car' (I have no knowledge of one either) but I wouldn't be able to support that opinion with facts to back my statement up. The fact is the Dodge Viper is a car. The opinion is that it's a 'really good car'.
And you could say your assertion that 'knowledge and opinion go hand in hand' is an opinion and not a fact (and what I've just said is an opinion).
But even life based experience is opinion based on your interpretation of certain factual events which you may have experienced. |
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"I have limited knowledge about black holes, but hold a very strong view that Steven Hawkins was deemed a scientists mainly because if his disability. If it wasn't for this fact, his research on the subject, in all honesty, is pretty mediocre...
Funny, the time i met him was before he had become totally disabled, and before he had become widely known outside of astrophysics circles. And it certainly seemed then that a good number of his peers were of the opinion that his work was anything but mediocre..."
Stephen Hawking WAS a great astrophysicist and would have still been even if he'd not had motor neurone disease. You don't have your name upon an equation to define a form of radiation for being a mediocre no-one. His theorem for what is now referred to as Hawking radiation (black body radiation) was postulated in 1974. He also won a huge array of academic prizes and medals and again, these are not handed out like toffees. His disability had feck all to do with his astrophysics and I wish people could separate the person from their disability and not see everything about a disabled person through the prism of their disability. |
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"I have limited knowledge about black holes, but hold a very strong view that Steven Hawkins was deemed a scientists mainly because if his disability. If it wasn't for this fact, his research on the subject, in all honesty, is pretty mediocre...
Funny, the time i met him was before he had become totally disabled, and before he had become widely known outside of astrophysics circles. And it certainly seemed then that a good number of his peers were of the opinion that his work was anything but mediocre...
Stephen Hawking WAS a great astrophysicist and would have still been even if he'd not had motor neurone disease. You don't have your name upon an equation to define a form of radiation for being a mediocre no-one. His theorem for what is now referred to as Hawking radiation (black body radiation) was postulated in 1974. He also won a huge array of academic prizes and medals and again, these are not handed out like toffees. His disability had feck all to do with his astrophysics and I wish people could separate the person from their disability and not see everything about a disabled person through the prism of their disability. "
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By *emini ManMan
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"'An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts which are true statements.'
Surely an opinion and knowledge are two seperate things?
I can state an opinion about anything regardless of knowledge.
Perhaps the question should be 'Do you pass your strong opinions off as facts on things you know nothing about?'
An interesting and fair point - although arguably how can you hold an opinion about something you have no knowledge of whatsoever. At best that opinion would be very high level and superficial, and as a result not hold a great deal of validity.
An opinion isn't something which is 'true'. A fact is 'true'.
Difference between facts and opinions is that facts are verifiable. An opinion supported by facts is an argument. Given the same facts two people may come to two different opinions on what the facts mean.
I agree - my point though was that it's not always possible (although some here appear to be capable of it) to hold anything more than an extremely high level and superficial opinion over something you have no knowledge of at all.
For example if you asked me my opinion of the Dodge Viper car (first thing that came into my head) I have absolutely no knowledge of what one even looks like let alone how it performs etc to even hold an opinion of it beyond it's an American car.
So knowledge and opinion to an extent go hand in hand is what I was trying to say.
Of course as Lorna pointed out there are some things which are a little more subjective and "life" based for which the only knowledge really necessary is personal experience.
But I could say the 'Dodge Viper is a really good car' (I have no knowledge of one either) but I wouldn't be able to support that opinion with facts to back my statement up. The fact is the Dodge Viper is a car. The opinion is that it's a 'really good car'.
And you could say your assertion that 'knowledge and opinion go hand in hand' is an opinion and not a fact (and what I've just said is an opinion).
But even life based experience is opinion based on your interpretation of certain factual events which you may have experienced. "
And that last statement kind of backs up my point that factual events or facts (aka knowledge) are what inform an opinion.
Think we're actually saying the same things different ways (in my opinion ) but an interesting debate all the same  |
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