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D.
Pervert 
What she said! Morning D
 good morning ladies
D.
Ladies? It's like you don't know us at all 
She speaks for us both  "
Well I was going to say morning pissy pants but I’m still waiting for that to happen  
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"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles? "
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.  |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"
D.
Pervert
What she said! Morning D
good morning ladies
D.
Ladies? It's like you don't know us at all
She speaks for us both
Well I was going to say morning pissy pants but I’m still waiting for that to happen
D."
Mass gathering at the ranch? |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower. "
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both |
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over a year ago
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"
D.
Pervert
What she said! Morning D
good morning ladies
D.
Ladies? It's like you don't know us at all
She speaks for us both
Well I was going to say morning pissy pants but I’m still waiting for that to happen
D."
It won't take long  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both "
Ooer!! |
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"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both "
In for a penny in for a pound. |
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"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both
Ooer!! "
If you’d be so kind. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both
In for a penny in for a pound. "
Who we pounding? |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both
In for a penny in for a pound. "
We can see what pops up while I'm there.... |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both
In for a penny in for a pound.
Who we pounding? "
Me please |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both
In for a penny in for a pound.
Who we pounding?
Me please "
Okay ! |
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"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both
In for a penny in for a pound.
Who we pounding?
Me please
Okay ! "
I’m the chief pounder. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both
In for a penny in for a pound.
Who we pounding?
Me please
Okay !
I’m the chief pounder. "
Okay, you can pound both of us then |
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"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both
In for a penny in for a pound.
Who we pounding?
Me please
Okay !
I’m the chief pounder.
Okay, you can pound both of us then "
Thought you’d never ask. |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both
In for a penny in for a pound.
Who we pounding?
Me please
Okay !
I’m the chief pounder.
Okay, you can pound both of us then
Thought you’d never ask. "
I keep asking! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both
In for a penny in for a pound.
Who we pounding?
Me please
Okay !
I’m the chief pounder.
Okay, you can pound both of us then
Thought you’d never ask. "
I'm asking and we're waiting |
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"Now this has just got interesting.
Unless you’re taking the piss.
You up for some pissing sexy Fiddles?
Could somebody explain why I’m suddenly very interested on the two of you pissing on each other. I’ll just sit in the corner......................of the shower.
It's a worry. I'll sit on you and she can do us both
In for a penny in for a pound.
Who we pounding?
Me please
Okay !
I’m the chief pounder.
Okay, you can pound both of us then
Thought you’d never ask.
I'm asking and we're waiting "
Just drinking my twelfth pint of water  |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"Who is she ??
Yeah she seems alright 
I'll let you take her for a test drive if you ask nicely
Ooh I'd like to see how she handles
Handle me please
With care of course x"
Not necessarily...... |
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"Who is she ??
Yeah she seems alright
I'll let you take her for a test drive if you ask nicely
Ooh I'd like to see how she handles
Handle me please
With care of course x
Not necessarily...... "
Wanten Pervert |
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over a year ago
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"Who is she ??
Yeah she seems alright
I'll let you take her for a test drive if you ask nicely
Ooh I'd like to see how she handles
Handle me please
With care of course x
Not necessarily......
Wanten Pervert "
This is not news |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"Who is she ??
Yeah she seems alright
I'll let you take her for a test drive if you ask nicely
Ooh I'd like to see how she handles
Handle me please
With care of course x
Not necessarily......
Want you Pervert "
I know you do. Feeling is mutual.... |
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"I know I usually say I don't like lamp post pissing but sometimes it has to be done so sending some shameless love and piss to my wifey NSP! love you darling  now come here and let me piss all over you, you beautiful lady!
This made me laugh what are you two like
We can't help it Morning DC "
Hey sparkles  |
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"Who is she ??
Yeah she seems alright
I'll let you take her for a test drive if you ask nicely
Ooh I'd like to see how she handles
Handle me please
With care of course x
Not necessarily......
Wanten Pervert
This is not news "
True |
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"Who is she ??
Yeah she seems alright
I'll let you take her for a test drive if you ask nicely
Ooh I'd like to see how she handles
Handle me please
With care of course x
Not necessarily......
Want you Pervert
I know you do. Feeling is mutual.... "
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"Who is she ??
Yeah she seems alright
I'll let you take her for a test drive if you ask nicely
Ooh I'd like to see how she handles
Handle me please
With care of course x
Not necessarily......
Want you Pervert
I know you do. Feeling is mutual....
"
I'm hilarious.... |
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"Who is she ??
Yeah she seems alright
I'll let you take her for a test drive if you ask nicely
Ooh I'd like to see how she handles
Handle me please
With care of course x
Not necessarily......
Want you Pervert
I know you do. Feeling is mutual....
I'm hilarious.... "
And I'm hilhairyass  |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"Who is she ??
Yeah she seems alright
I'll let you take her for a test drive if you ask nicely
Ooh I'd like to see how she handles
Handle me please
With care of course x
Not necessarily......
Want you Pervert
I know you do. Feeling is mutual....
I'm hilarious....
And I'm hilhairyass "
I've seen your arse. Not hairy |
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles "
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
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Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is "
There's far too many different ones.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is
There's far too many different ones.... "
There needs to be a fab dictionary |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is
There's far too many different ones....
There needs to be a fab dictionary "
Let's get on it after the protest |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is
There's far too many different ones....
There needs to be a fab dictionary "
Fab dictionary is a great idea |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is
There's far too many different ones....
There needs to be a fab dictionary
Let's get on it after the protest"
We shall! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is
There's far too many different ones....
There needs to be a fab dictionary
Fab dictionary is a great idea"
We’d need some experienced people. I don’t even know what half the bloody interests mean on the profile thing!!! |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is
There's far too many different ones....
There needs to be a fab dictionary
Fab dictionary is a great idea
We’d need some experienced people. I don’t even know what half the bloody interests mean on the profile thing!!! "
I'm sure between us we can find some |
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
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People often mistake blatant flirting as lamppost pissing. Lamppost pissing is to do with marking territory (You can't have him/her/them, they're mine). Dedicating a thread to someone or heavily flirting is just that. |
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is
There's far too many different ones....
There needs to be a fab dictionary
Fab dictionary is a great idea
We’d need some experienced people. I don’t even know what half the bloody interests mean on the profile thing!!!
I'm sure between us we can find some "
Would be quite funny to actually do one though! |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"Ah Lovely!
With you both being so full of sugar, you need a bit of Spice to add to the mix?
You're offering I hope
Seems the only way to do it! "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
People often mistake blatant flirting as lamppost pissing. Lamppost pissing is to do with marking territory (You can't have him/her/them, they're mine). Dedicating a thread to someone or heavily flirting is just that."
This! But disclaimers are often needed round here hence the lamppost pissing title, most would of taken it as that instead of it just being mates messaging about and having a flirt. |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is
There's far too many different ones....
There needs to be a fab dictionary
Fab dictionary is a great idea
We’d need some experienced people. I don’t even know what half the bloody interests mean on the profile thing!!!
I'm sure between us we can find some
Would be quite funny to actually do one though!"
It would..... We should! |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
People often mistake blatant flirting as lamppost pissing. Lamppost pissing is to do with marking territory (You can't have him/her/them, they're mine). Dedicating a thread to someone or heavily flirting is just that.
This! But disclaimers are often needed round here hence the lamppost pissing title, most would of taken it as that instead of it just being mates messaging about and having a flirt. "
WTAF woman?
I thought you were being serious?
I'm hurt  |
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is
There's far too many different ones....
There needs to be a fab dictionary
Fab dictionary is a great idea
We’d need some experienced people. I don’t even know what half the bloody interests mean on the profile thing!!!
I'm sure between us we can find some
Would be quite funny to actually do one though!
It would..... We should! "
I did a thread to get some words |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is
There's far too many different ones....
There needs to be a fab dictionary
Fab dictionary is a great idea
We’d need some experienced people. I don’t even know what half the bloody interests mean on the profile thing!!!
I'm sure between us we can find some
Would be quite funny to actually do one though!
It would..... We should!
I did a thread to get some words "
They're scary ones so far |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is
There's far too many different ones....
There needs to be a fab dictionary
Fab dictionary is a great idea
We’d need some experienced people. I don’t even know what half the bloody interests mean on the profile thing!!!
I'm sure between us we can find some
Would be quite funny to actually do one though!
It would..... We should!
I did a thread to get some words
They're scary ones so far "
It’s not going how I expected!!!lol! |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Oh maybe not snowballing. I just remembered what that is
There's far too many different ones....
There needs to be a fab dictionary
Fab dictionary is a great idea
We’d need some experienced people. I don’t even know what half the bloody interests mean on the profile thing!!!
I'm sure between us we can find some
Would be quite funny to actually do one though!
It would..... We should!
I did a thread to get some words
They're scary ones so far
It’s not going how I expected!!!lol!"
Not really! |
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
People often mistake blatant flirting as lamppost pissing. Lamppost pissing is to do with marking territory (You can't have him/her/them, they're mine). Dedicating a thread to someone or heavily flirting is just that.
This! But disclaimers are often needed round here hence the lamppost pissing title, most would of taken it as that instead of it just being mates messaging about and having a flirt.
WTAF woman?
I thought you were being serious?
I'm hurt "
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
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Snowballing  |
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"I think lamp post pissing is heavily misunderstood here on the forums, especially amongst singles
I’ve never really understood what it means. I get mixed up with white knighting, snow flaking, snowballing and all the other phrases thrown about!
Snowballing "
Snowballing  |
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"OP are you a dog?
Erm....excuse me? "
lol i thought it was funny
You called the thread 'lamp post pissing' to indicate territory marking.. and dogs frequently do this
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"Could someone explain lamp post pissing to me? Just written theory, no practical please
Hit the green arrow next to my name and look for the Fab glossary "
I thought you were going to say look at all my lampost pissing then . |
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"Could someone explain lamp post pissing to me? Just written theory, no practical please
Hit the green arrow next to my name and look for the Fab glossary
I thought you were going to say look at all my lampost pissing then ."
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"Could someone explain lamp post pissing to me? Just written theory, no practical please "
territory marking
where users follow each other around the forums commenting and quoting on each others posts..
clearly 'marking territory'
that they are an item or very very close
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"Could someone explain lamp post pissing to me? Just written theory, no practical please
territory marking
where users follow each other around the forums commenting and quoting on each others posts..
clearly 'marking territory'
that they are an item or very very close
"
Great, I shall watch out for those territorial persons from now on and impose virtual fines/forfeits for pissing in public (forums) |
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"Could someone explain lamp post pissing to me? Just written theory, no practical please
territory marking
where users follow each other around the forums commenting and quoting on each others posts..
clearly 'marking territory'
that they are an item or very very close
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Seems I have a lot of territory . Or as I like to call them, friends . |
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I learnt the hard way the lamp post pissing even if unintentional is not a good thing in this site so I will abstain from pissing on any posts lamp or other and just love everyone |
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"I learnt the hard way the lamp post pissing even if unintentional is not a good thing in this site so I will abstain from pissing on any posts lamp or other and just love everyone "
Dunno if I do it or not really. I’m nice to people I like. If that’s classed as it I’m not that bothered really. I probably do. No idea! |
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"I learnt the hard way the lamp post pissing even if unintentional is not a good thing in this site so I will abstain from pissing on any posts lamp or other and just love everyone
Dunno if I do it or not really. I’m nice to people I like. If that’s classed as it I’m not that bothered really. I probably do. No idea! "
same as me nora I was told I was doing it b4 and didnt know x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I learnt the hard way the lamp post pissing even if unintentional is not a good thing in this site so I will abstain from pissing on any posts lamp or other and just love everyone
Dunno if I do it or not really. I’m nice to people I like. If that’s classed as it I’m not that bothered really. I probably do. No idea! same as me nora I was told I was doing it b4 and didnt know x "
I can perhaps see why with you though but I just think you’re just very very friendly to everyone.
Meh fuck it. Just be you. That’s my motto |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I learnt the hard way the lamp post pissing even if unintentional is not a good thing in this site so I will abstain from pissing on any posts lamp or other and just love everyone
Dunno if I do it or not really. I’m nice to people I like. If that’s classed as it I’m not that bothered really. I probably do. No idea! same as me nora I was told I was doing it b4 and didnt know x
I can perhaps see why with you though but I just think you’re just very very friendly to everyone.
Meh fuck it. Just be you. That’s my motto "
that's the best way to be nora and your right I am very friendly to everyone sometimes to my detriment |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I learnt the hard way the lamp post pissing even if unintentional is not a good thing in this site so I will abstain from pissing on any posts lamp or other and just love everyone
Dunno if I do it or not really. I’m nice to people I like. If that’s classed as it I’m not that bothered really. I probably do. No idea! same as me nora I was told I was doing it b4 and didnt know x
I can perhaps see why with you though but I just think you’re just very very friendly to everyone.
Meh fuck it. Just be you. That’s my motto that's the best way to be nora and your right I am very friendly to everyone sometimes to my detriment "
Not everyone’s gonna like you mate. I know that. But I’d rather be real and and accept that than be a sheep and get everyone to like me. |
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"I know I usually say I don't like lamp post pissing but sometimes it has to be done so sending some shameless love and piss to my wifey NSP! love you darling now come here and let me piss all over you, you beautiful lady! "
Love to watch you pissing ...deffo my kink x |
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"I know I usually say I don't like lamp post pissing but sometimes it has to be done so sending some shameless love and piss to my wifey NSP! love you darling now come here and let me piss all over you, you beautiful lady!
Love to watch you pissing ...deffo my kink x"
It's not mine, but we see a lot of it around here |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I know I usually say I don't like lamp post pissing but sometimes it has to be done so sending some shameless love and piss to my wifey NSP! love you darling now come here and let me piss all over you, you beautiful lady!
Love to watch you pissing ...deffo my kink x
It's not mine, but we see a lot of it around here "
Not mine either, it was tongue in cheek just to cheer a friend up. |
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