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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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After losing car in an accident, I visited a garage some miles from home in a courtesy car.
I bout a car at the garage, and had ownership documents sorted on Saturday. I arranged delivery to my home tomorrow (Tuesday)
Is there any way to defend myself against a speeding ticket if they gwt caught speeding?
I haven't bought insurance or tax for it yet. Was going to wait tilk day after delivery .
Is there a way to protect myself, other than getting the car myself? They're driving it, not putting it on a transporter |
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Yes. I’d have thought it’d be pretty easy to probe you didn’t have the car. You’re talking about a camera or similar which would result in a PNC check to discover the owner. If it remains the garage, fine, the s172 request (asking who was driving) goes to them and they’d presumably confirm their rep was driving. If it comes back as you (as you’ve done the “paperwork”) then you’d advise on the s172 it wasn’t you and it was someone unknown to you at the garage. The police would then go there.
Still, it’s good to look at every eventuality OP but I really wouldn’t worry about this  Mr. |
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By *appytochatMan
over a year ago
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I'm sure you will have something to sign on delivery. Something to confirm you are accepting the vehicle in the condition you viewed and brought it. If not make sure you check every panel for damage. Once happy sign date and time the paperwork and get delivery driver to sign and date the time it's handed to you.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes. I’d have thought it’d be pretty easy to probe you didn’t have the car. You’re talking about a camera or similar which would result in a PNC check to discover the owner. If it remains the garage, fine, the s172 request (asking who was driving) goes to them and they’d presumably confirm their rep was driving. If it comes back as you (as you’ve done the “paperwork”) then you’d advise on the s172 it wasn’t you and it was someone unknown to you at the garage. The police would then go there.
Still, it’s good to look at every eventuality OP but I really wouldn’t worry about this Mr. "
Listen to this man OP |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Yes. I’d have thought it’d be pretty easy to probe you didn’t have the car. You’re talking about a camera or similar which would result in a PNC check to discover the owner. If it remains the garage, fine, the s172 request (asking who was driving) goes to them and they’d presumably confirm their rep was driving. If it comes back as you (as you’ve done the “paperwork”) then you’d advise on the s172 it wasn’t you and it was someone unknown to you at the garage. The police would then go there.
Still, it’s good to look at every eventuality OP but I really wouldn’t worry about this Mr. "
Thanks mate
I've had a terrible week and had sleepless nights with worry about my job, getting all sorts of problems to sort out, worrying myself sick  |
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Short version is the Police will have to prove without a doubt that you were the person driving the vehicle at the time of the offence.
Most speed cameras take head on pictures so it shows the face of the driver. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Short version is the Police will have to prove without a doubt that you were the person driving the vehicle at the time of the offence.
Most speed cameras take head on pictures so it shows the face of the driver."
Nowt they can do if they don’t have a full on face pic. Nothing at all |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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just make shure you put down the time the vehicle was delivered.
you will either have a point of delivery form to sign or it will be an app on a phone or tablet that records the time.
it may even come on a small transporter.
so either way you have nothing to worry about |
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"Short version is the Police will have to prove without a doubt that you were the person driving the vehicle at the time of the offence.
Most speed cameras take head on pictures so it shows the face of the driver.
Nowt they can do if they don’t have a full on face pic. Nothing at all "
I wonder how much fun the rozzers are having identifying speeding drivers who are wearing their covid masks?  |
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"Short version is the Police will have to prove without a doubt that you were the person driving the vehicle at the time of the offence.
Most speed cameras take head on pictures so it shows the face of the driver.
Nowt they can do if they don’t have a full on face pic. Nothing at all "
I’m sorry but that’s completely incorrect. The obligation in terms of s172 is on the registered keeper of the vehicle to provide information to the police when required to do so to identify the driver of a vehicle at a particular time and place. It is an offence not to provide that information. Whether the police have a photo of the driver does not determine a prosecution - if it did, you could never have cameras that record after you’ve passed or have laser cameras in police vans or handheld devices with officers at the side of the road. Mr. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Short version is the Police will have to prove without a doubt that you were the person driving the vehicle at the time of the offence.
Most speed cameras take head on pictures so it shows the face of the driver.
Nowt they can do if they don’t have a full on face pic. Nothing at all
I’m sorry but that’s completely incorrect. The obligation in terms of s172 is on the registered keeper of the vehicle to provide information to the police when required to do so to identify the driver of a vehicle at a particular time and place. It is an offence not to provide that information. Whether the police have a photo of the driver does not determine a prosecution - if it did, you could never have cameras that record after you’ve passed or have laser cameras in police vans or handheld devices with officers at the side of the road. Mr. "
Not if you can’t remember who was driving at the time. Like I said, nothing they can do. |
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Get them to sign to say they will be responsible for said vehicle until they hand the keys to you! Have a witness there when they hand it over. Get them to sign, date and time on your documents. Take a photo of the handover and the mileage |
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"Short version is the Police will have to prove without a doubt that you were the person driving the vehicle at the time of the offence.
Most speed cameras take head on pictures so it shows the face of the driver.
Nowt they can do if they don’t have a full on face pic. Nothing at all
I’m sorry but that’s completely incorrect. The obligation in terms of s172 is on the registered keeper of the vehicle to provide information to the police when required to do so to identify the driver of a vehicle at a particular time and place. It is an offence not to provide that information. Whether the police have a photo of the driver does not determine a prosecution - if it did, you could never have cameras that record after you’ve passed or have laser cameras in police vans or handheld devices with officers at the side of the road. Mr.
Not if you can’t remember who was driving at the time. Like I said, nothing they can do. "
Again, sorry, that’s largely incorrect. It MAY work if it’s a long journey and you’re swapping driving with a partner for example. Beyond that, you run the risk of a prosecution under s172 which has far more stringent penalties than a basic speeding. Avoiding a ticket by claiming you can’t remember is a risky thing to do as, ultimately, if prosecuted for that, it’s up to the court to determine whether or not you provided all information in your possession. But, again, photos (or lack thereof) are not the be all and end all. In my humble view. Mr. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Short version is the Police will have to prove without a doubt that you were the person driving the vehicle at the time of the offence.
Most speed cameras take head on pictures so it shows the face of the driver.
Nowt they can do if they don’t have a full on face pic. Nothing at all
I’m sorry but that’s completely incorrect. The obligation in terms of s172 is on the registered keeper of the vehicle to provide information to the police when required to do so to identify the driver of a vehicle at a particular time and place. It is an offence not to provide that information. Whether the police have a photo of the driver does not determine a prosecution - if it did, you could never have cameras that record after you’ve passed or have laser cameras in police vans or handheld devices with officers at the side of the road. Mr.
Not if you can’t remember who was driving at the time. Like I said, nothing they can do.
Again, sorry, that’s largely incorrect. It MAY work if it’s a long journey and you’re swapping driving with a partner for example. Beyond that, you run the risk of a prosecution under s172 which has far more stringent penalties than a basic speeding. Avoiding a ticket by claiming you can’t remember is a risky thing to do as, ultimately, if prosecuted for that, it’s up to the court to determine whether or not you provided all information in your possession. But, again, photos (or lack thereof) are not the be all and end all. In my humble view. Mr. "
I’ll agree to disagree. I really can’t be bothered arguing with you when I know it for a fact. |
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"Short version is the Police will have to prove without a doubt that you were the person driving the vehicle at the time of the offence.
Most speed cameras take head on pictures so it shows the face of the driver.
Nowt they can do if they don’t have a full on face pic. Nothing at all
I’m sorry but that’s completely incorrect. The obligation in terms of s172 is on the registered keeper of the vehicle to provide information to the police when required to do so to identify the driver of a vehicle at a particular time and place. It is an offence not to provide that information. Whether the police have a photo of the driver does not determine a prosecution - if it did, you could never have cameras that record after you’ve passed or have laser cameras in police vans or handheld devices with officers at the side of the road. Mr.
Not if you can’t remember who was driving at the time. Like I said, nothing they can do.
Again, sorry, that’s largely incorrect. It MAY work if it’s a long journey and you’re swapping driving with a partner for example. Beyond that, you run the risk of a prosecution under s172 which has far more stringent penalties than a basic speeding. Avoiding a ticket by claiming you can’t remember is a risky thing to do as, ultimately, if prosecuted for that, it’s up to the court to determine whether or not you provided all information in your possession. But, again, photos (or lack thereof) are not the be all and end all. In my humble view. Mr.
I’ll agree to disagree. I really can’t be bothered arguing with you when I know it for a fact. "
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"Short version is the Police will have to prove without a doubt that you were the person driving the vehicle at the time of the offence.
Most speed cameras take head on pictures so it shows the face of the driver.
Nowt they can do if they don’t have a full on face pic. Nothing at all
I’m sorry but that’s completely incorrect. The obligation in terms of s172 is on the registered keeper of the vehicle to provide information to the police when required to do so to identify the driver of a vehicle at a particular time and place. It is an offence not to provide that information. Whether the police have a photo of the driver does not determine a prosecution - if it did, you could never have cameras that record after you’ve passed or have laser cameras in police vans or handheld devices with officers at the side of the road. Mr.
Not if you can’t remember who was driving at the time. Like I said, nothing they can do.
Again, sorry, that’s largely incorrect. It MAY work if it’s a long journey and you’re swapping driving with a partner for example. Beyond that, you run the risk of a prosecution under s172 which has far more stringent penalties than a basic speeding. Avoiding a ticket by claiming you can’t remember is a risky thing to do as, ultimately, if prosecuted for that, it’s up to the court to determine whether or not you provided all information in your possession. But, again, photos (or lack thereof) are not the be all and end all. In my humble view. Mr.
I’ll agree to disagree. I really can’t be bothered arguing with you when I know it for a fact.
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I used to know somebody who got out of a speeding ticket even with a photo from a speed camera, whoever set up the camera set the date incorrectly and they had an alibi for the time/date on the photo as they were at work. |
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