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"This is a swinging site. Why not ask on a dating site? Now now Clem be nice "That WAS nice. | |||
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"A question for the born females on fab. Why do you not like to date tvs? Is it because we are to much like you? Because of not being manly? Because we may be gay, bisexual? You are worried about sexual health issues? Just curious to know what you really think? Honesty more welcome than being politically correct. Give it to me girls " Does anyone ever have to explain their preferences? | |||
"A question for the born females on fab. Why do you not like to date tvs? Is it because we are to much like you? Because of not being manly? Because we may be gay, bisexual? You are worried about sexual health issues? Just curious to know what you really think? Honesty more welcome than being politically correct. Give it to me girls " Because I'm straight. | |||
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"My only real experience with TV's was in the Sex Work community and I found almost all of them incredibly difficult to work with - entitled, selfish, all "me me me". Was probably enough to put me off. " but surely if you are providing a paid for service it would be all about them, especially if the wife at home is not aware or does not want to know? Or won't do anything kinky | |||
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"because i am not attracted to women.. "  | |||
"because i am not attracted to women.. "But a tv is a man | |||
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"This is a swinging site. Why not ask on a dating site?" That's a bit harsh bearing in mind he is asking female born users. Many of us call meets dates. It's a perfectly fine question to ask here | |||
"A question for the born females on fab. Why do you not like to date tvs? Is it because we are to much like you? Because of not being manly? Because we may be gay, bisexual? You are worried about sexual health issues? Just curious to know what you really think? Honesty more welcome than being politically correct. Give it to me girls " You're getting a bashing. Maybe you would have been better off asking the question without giving us multiple choice answers. Personally, I find most tvs unattractive as they clearly look like men in women's clothes. It might be something I'd be interested in sexually but that would be as far as it went. | |||
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"Because I have no interest in men dressed as women. " I think you’ll find that each person has the choices and there preference. And it’s about respecting their choice. Some men go for our type, some hate us, women are the same. Then there are the undecided..... | |||
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"Do tvs have licence? " I do  | |||
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"A question for the born females on fab. Why do you not like to date tvs? Is it because we are to much like you? Because of not being manly? Because we may be gay, bisexual? You are worried about sexual health issues? Just curious to know what you really think? Honesty more welcome than being politically correct. Give it to me girls " How about being a bit more positive? Sell the idea. How about you say what you feel are the reasons anyone would like dating a tv? | |||
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"Quite surprising now how so many born females are wanting to become men. And good luck to them, we all want happiness in life, let's hope the day comes when gender varience is fully accepted and celebrated. " Well said. Gender clinics are seeing more trans men than women nowadays.  | |||
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"A question for the born females on fab. Why do you not like to date tvs? Is it because we are to much like you? Because of not being manly? Because we may be gay, bisexual? You are worried about sexual health issues? Just curious to know what you really think? Honesty more welcome than being politically correct. Give it to me girls How about being a bit more positive? Sell the idea. How about you say what you feel are the reasons anyone would like dating a tv?" I thought this too.
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"I’m just genuinely not attracted, my preference. I’d happily socialise and chat etc but sexual relationship, not for me." Pretty much this. | |||
"A question for the born females on fab. Why do you not like to date tvs? Is it because we are to much like you? Because of not being manly? Because we may be gay, bisexual? You are worried about sexual health issues? Just curious to know what you really think? Honesty more welcome than being politically correct. Give it to me girls How about being a bit more positive? Sell the idea. How about you say what you feel are the reasons anyone would like dating a tv?" This is the crux of the issue for Tgirls on here that are either straight or not, but want to have a relationship with a woman. A woman that’s never been in a relationship with a TV will always have some misconceptions of what he’d be like. All of my previous relationships weren’t with women looking for a Tgirl but looking for a guy, then found out later I liked to dress. Did they immediately go off and find a ‘real man’ no, I talked through my desires to dress and what it meant to our relationship together. So she’d know but never see me dressed, I’d go away and dress on my own. Or she’d see me dressed but no sex whilst in female mode or actively get involved as it was an exciting new world being opened up, you know like how some couples decide to start swinging. What they don’t get, is a guy mincing about wearing eyeliner and lipstick in Male mode. But maybe they get a guy who’s happy to help around the house and fix the car, a guy who actually takes an interest in her fashions but at the same time discuss football if she enjoys sports. But most of all can keep his dressing between them in their relationship. I’m an ex soldier, marathon runner, who’s rides motorbikes and enjoys football. I don’t present outwardly my crossdressing persona if you don’t know you’d probably not guess. I work and have a decent job and a very good father to my young sons, basically I’m not a bad catch in some ways. But I could have a lot worse traits that some Men have and if crossdressing is my worst secret then for some women who’ve been in really toxic relationships a guy occasionally slipping into a dress would be a welcome relief to much worse behaviour. My argument won’t convince any woman on here who doesn’t want a guy expressing a feminine side to his character. They are after what they desire and that should always be respected
But as Tgirls maybe it is down to us to convince those women who are sitting on the fence, maybe we are a new experience and can be the best of both worlds a sensitive guy who’s happy shoe shopping but also change the wheel on the car on the way home.
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"I’m just genuinely not attracted, my preference. I’d happily socialise and chat etc but sexual relationship, not for me." Same for me. I’m attracted to men and women but not TVs. | |||
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And to those women who do enjoy the best of both worlds, feel free to say hello | |||
"Very interesting answers and opinions. The trans community is very diverse and encompasses many different groups. But social stigma still leads to people hiding it all their lives, even from wives and children. I have known people lose wives,girlfriends, children, jobs,and some people to end their lives because of discrimination. There is still a long way to go to get true equality in many aspects. " www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/19/what-happens-when-your-partner-comes-out-as-trans It's a long read but there are great stories and perspectives.  | |||
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"It's a extremely complicated issue, where you have to be careful about the terms used, and now it includes non binary as well. But I was trying to keep it as simple,as possible so people would not be afraid to post a honest reply. " I think it's a good Q Shirley. Food for thought. Most of us aren't aware of our un conscious bias | |||
"A massive assumption. Nobody has any idea what most women think, not even the women themselves. They just know what THEY think themselves....." Its a good job we know you didn't mean that! | |||
"A massive assumption. Nobody has any idea what most women think, not even the women themselves. They just know what THEY think themselves..... Its a good job we know you didn't mean that! " You think you know what he means even when he doesn't mean it that the women think they know what they think when they thought it. | |||
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"Listen to germain grear, they no platform her at university talks, but she is entitled to express her opinion, in a free country. Same with j k Rowling,who isn't transphobic,she is just saying what a lot of women think. It doesn't advance the trans cause by villiffying women who have a opinion, same with Mary beard. But Julie bindel is very offensive. " Well that's two women, who just happen to be feminists......... just two. It's not part of any feminist group's ideology. Why attach it to feminists ? | |||
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"A question for the born females on fab. Why do you not like to date tvs? Is it because we are to much like you? Because of not being manly? Because we may be gay, bisexual? You are worried about sexual health issues? Just curious to know what you really think? Honesty more welcome than being politically correct. Give it to me girls How about being a bit more positive? Sell the idea. How about you say what you feel are the reasons anyone would like dating a tv? This is the crux of the issue for Tgirls on here that are either straight or not, but want to have a relationship with a woman. A woman that’s never been in a relationship with a TV will always have some misconceptions of what he’d be like. All of my previous relationships weren’t with women looking for a Tgirl but looking for a guy, then found out later I liked to dress. Did they immediately go off and find a ‘real man’ no, I talked through my desires to dress and what it meant to our relationship together. So she’d know but never see me dressed, I’d go away and dress on my own. Or she’d see me dressed but no sex whilst in female mode or actively get involved as it was an exciting new world being opened up, you know like how some couples decide to start swinging. What they don’t get, is a guy mincing about wearing eyeliner and lipstick in Male mode. But maybe they get a guy who’s happy to help around the house and fix the car, a guy who actually takes an interest in her fashions but at the same time discuss football if she enjoys sports. But most of all can keep his dressing between them in their relationship. I’m an ex soldier, marathon runner, who’s rides motorbikes and enjoys football. I don’t present outwardly my crossdressing persona if you don’t know you’d probably not guess. I work and have a decent job and a very good father to my young sons, basically I’m not a bad catch in some ways. But I could have a lot worse traits that some Men have and if crossdressing is my worst secret then for some women who’ve been in really toxic relationships a guy occasionally slipping into a dress would be a welcome relief to much worse behaviour. My argument won’t convince any woman on here who doesn’t want a guy expressing a feminine side to his character. They are after what they desire and that should always be respected
But as Tgirls maybe it is down to us to convince those women who are sitting on the fence, maybe we are a new experience and can be the best of both worlds a sensitive guy who’s happy shoe shopping but also change the wheel on the car on the way home.
"Great explanation Steph! And OP, some of us women do date TV’s. Some of us even go on to marry them x | |||
"I think germain grear qualifies as a femenist, ha ha, she wrote the female eunuch, a seminal work, of femenism " Yes. Right. So because Germaine is a feminist you think that all feminists agree with what she says ? So weird... You think that you can't be a feminist unless you hold Germaine's viewpoint on everything from gender re assignment to cheese ? | |||
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"A very valid question about sexuality and attraction. Ignore any sniping comments. If people can open threads about what's for tea or how to fix my car, you have every right to ask what you want." | |||
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"A question for the born females on fab. Why do you not like to date tvs? Is it because we are to much like you? Because of not being manly? Because we may be gay, bisexual? You are worried about sexual health issues? Just curious to know what you really think? Honesty more welcome than being politically correct. Give it to me girls How about being a bit more positive? Sell the idea. How about you say what you feel are the reasons anyone would like dating a tv? This is the crux of the issue for Tgirls on here that are either straight or not, but want to have a relationship with a woman. A woman that’s never been in a relationship with a TV will always have some misconceptions of what he’d be like. All of my previous relationships weren’t with women looking for a Tgirl but looking for a guy, then found out later I liked to dress. Did they immediately go off and find a ‘real man’ no, I talked through my desires to dress and what it meant to our relationship together. So she’d know but never see me dressed, I’d go away and dress on my own. Or she’d see me dressed but no sex whilst in female mode or actively get involved as it was an exciting new world being opened up, you know like how some couples decide to start swinging. What they don’t get, is a guy mincing about wearing eyeliner and lipstick in Male mode. But maybe they get a guy who’s happy to help around the house and fix the car, a guy who actually takes an interest in her fashions but at the same time discuss football if she enjoys sports. But most of all can keep his dressing between them in their relationship. I’m an ex soldier, marathon runner, who’s rides motorbikes and enjoys football. I don’t present outwardly my crossdressing persona if you don’t know you’d probably not guess. I work and have a decent job and a very good father to my young sons, basically I’m not a bad catch in some ways. But I could have a lot worse traits that some Men have and if crossdressing is my worst secret then for some women who’ve been in really toxic relationships a guy occasionally slipping into a dress would be a welcome relief to much worse behaviour. My argument won’t convince any woman on here who doesn’t want a guy expressing a feminine side to his character. They are after what they desire and that should always be respected
But as Tgirls maybe it is down to us to convince those women who are sitting on the fence, maybe we are a new experience and can be the best of both worlds a sensitive guy who’s happy shoe shopping but also change the wheel on the car on the way home.
"Thank you for this: rare to find a post to make me think/rethink! I'm guilty of having a stereotypical view ie "mincing around in lipstick" whilst dressed as a man. Yes, that wouldn't be for me but a man who's in touch with his feminine side whilst saving me from tarantulas and wasps the size of chinooks...oooh...Yes please! | |||
"The OP asks, why don't women like dating TVs? Well,there are at least two different scenarios I can envisage here. Finding out that a partner likes to cross dress. Specifically looking for a TV to date. I imagine the first scenario would be quite easy to cope with. What's the harm,after all? The second scenario? Definitely not for me. I suppose it's not unheard of,just seems unlikely. " I think that's a really good point!
Maybe if the person is all about being TV, that's what puts some people off. Same as if a person was all about being into football (for example) and nothing else mattered.
If the person liked a bit of sport and a bit of theatre and a bit of gigs, it's different.
I don't think I've explained that well at all, sorry. | |||
"The OP asks, why don't women like dating TVs? Well,there are at least two different scenarios I can envisage here. Finding out that a partner likes to cross dress. Specifically looking for a TV to date. I imagine the first scenario would be quite easy to cope with. What's the harm,after all? The second scenario? Definitely not for me. I suppose it's not unheard of,just seems unlikely. I think that's a really good point!
Maybe if the person is all about being TV, that's what puts some people off. Same as if a person was all about being into football (for example) and nothing else mattered.
If the person liked a bit of sport and a bit of theatre and a bit of gigs, it's different.
I don't think I've explained that well at all, sorry. "I understood what you meant | |||
"The OP asks, why don't women like dating TVs? Well,there are at least two different scenarios I can envisage here. Finding out that a partner likes to cross dress. Specifically looking for a TV to date. I imagine the first scenario would be quite easy to cope with. What's the harm,after all? The second scenario? Definitely not for me. I suppose it's not unheard of,just seems unlikely. I think that's a really good point!
Maybe if the person is all about being TV, that's what puts some people off. Same as if a person was all about being into football (for example) and nothing else mattered.
If the person liked a bit of sport and a bit of theatre and a bit of gigs, it's different.
I don't think I've explained that well at all, sorry. "I know what you mean. | |||
"The OP asks, why don't women like dating TVs? Well,there are at least two different scenarios I can envisage here. Finding out that a partner likes to cross dress. Specifically looking for a TV to date. I imagine the first scenario would be quite easy to cope with. What's the harm,after all? The second scenario? Definitely not for me. I suppose it's not unheard of,just seems unlikely. I think that's a really good point!
Maybe if the person is all about being TV, that's what puts some people off. Same as if a person was all about being into football (for example) and nothing else mattered.
If the person liked a bit of sport and a bit of theatre and a bit of gigs, it's different.
I don't think I've explained that well at all, sorry. "I think you make an important point. I have met girls for whom their life is being TV, and being TV is their entire life. They have trans friends, go to trans events, talk about matters of trans interest, wear trans clothes... On the other hand for some of us being trans is just one aspect of who we are. We have friends, go to events, talk about matters of interest, wear clothes... I see myself as a person who happens to be trans, but being trans is not the whole of my life... | |||
"A question for the born females on fab. Why do you not like to date tvs? Is it because we are to much like you? Because of not being manly? Because we may be gay, bisexual? You are worried about sexual health issues? Just curious to know what you really think? Honesty more welcome than being politically correct. Give it to me girls How about being a bit more positive? Sell the idea. How about you say what you feel are the reasons anyone would like dating a tv? This is the crux of the issue for Tgirls on here that are either straight or not, but want to have a relationship with a woman. A woman that’s never been in a relationship with a TV will always have some misconceptions of what he’d be like. All of my previous relationships weren’t with women looking for a Tgirl but looking for a guy, then found out later I liked to dress. Did they immediately go off and find a ‘real man’ no, I talked through my desires to dress and what it meant to our relationship together. So she’d know but never see me dressed, I’d go away and dress on my own. Or she’d see me dressed but no sex whilst in female mode or actively get involved as it was an exciting new world being opened up, you know like how some couples decide to start swinging. What they don’t get, is a guy mincing about wearing eyeliner and lipstick in Male mode. But maybe they get a guy who’s happy to help around the house and fix the car, a guy who actually takes an interest in her fashions but at the same time discuss football if she enjoys sports. But most of all can keep his dressing between them in their relationship. I’m an ex soldier, marathon runner, who’s rides motorbikes and enjoys football. I don’t present outwardly my crossdressing persona if you don’t know you’d probably not guess. I work and have a decent job and a very good father to my young sons, basically I’m not a bad catch in some ways. But I could have a lot worse traits that some Men have and if crossdressing is my worst secret then for some women who’ve been in really toxic relationships a guy occasionally slipping into a dress would be a welcome relief to much worse behaviour. My argument won’t convince any woman on here who doesn’t want a guy expressing a feminine side to his character. They are after what they desire and that should always be respected
But as Tgirls maybe it is down to us to convince those women who are sitting on the fence, maybe we are a new experience and can be the best of both worlds a sensitive guy who’s happy shoe shopping but also change the wheel on the car on the way home.
Thank you for this: rare to find a post to make me think/rethink!
I'm guilty of having a stereotypical view ie "mincing around in lipstick" whilst dressed as a man. Yes, that wouldn't be for me but a man who's in touch with his feminine side whilst saving me from tarantulas and wasps the size of chinooks...oooh...Yes please! "Thanks for this, as it takes time to try and write something and try not to be patronising or belittling other peoples perspectives. So the fact it made you reconsider some of your concerns, means it was worth writing. It should also be noted, the reason I joined up, took up boxing whilst in the Army and played rugby (not football thats for sissies ) as when I was younger I’d fight those feelings by trying to be ultra macho, ensure I matched up or bettered other guys. Knowing I had a softer side within that needed expressing outwardly.
Me and my Wife (16 years together) didn’t split up over my crossdressing, in fact she admitted missed my feedback over clothes and borrowing my makeup  but other reasons that long term couples go through.
My crossdressed self is a completely different part of my personality and can only be shared with those I truly feel comfortable with. A partner would always have the right to be totally separate from that part or join in. Just like any hobby if you’re both into it (like swinging) then a new life and interests can be discovered, life’s about new experiences | |||
"The OP asks, why don't women like dating TVs? Well,there are at least two different scenarios I can envisage here. Finding out that a partner likes to cross dress. Specifically looking for a TV to date. I imagine the first scenario would be quite easy to cope with. What's the harm,after all? The second scenario? Definitely not for me. I suppose it's not unheard of,just seems unlikely. I think that's a really good point!
Maybe if the person is all about being TV, that's what puts some people off. Same as if a person was all about being into football (for example) and nothing else mattered.
If the person liked a bit of sport and a bit of theatre and a bit of gigs, it's different.
I don't think I've explained that well at all, sorry. "Explained terribly but totally understood | |||
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"The OP asks, why don't women like dating TVs? Well,there are at least two different scenarios I can envisage here. Finding out that a partner likes to cross dress. Specifically looking for a TV to date. I imagine the first scenario would be quite easy to cope with. What's the harm,after all? The second scenario? Definitely not for me. I suppose it's not unheard of,just seems unlikely. I think that's a really good point!
Maybe if the person is all about being TV, that's what puts some people off. Same as if a person was all about being into football (for example) and nothing else mattered.
If the person liked a bit of sport and a bit of theatre and a bit of gigs, it's different.
I don't think I've explained that well at all, sorry.
I think you make an important point. I have met girls for whom their life is being TV, and being TV is their entire life. They have trans friends, go to trans events, talk about matters of trans interest, wear trans clothes... On the other hand for some of us being trans is just one aspect of who we are. We have friends, go to events, talk about matters of interest, wear clothes... I see myself as a person who happens to be trans, but being trans is not the whole of my life..."Perfectly explained Polly! That goes for Abby too. Mostly we lead a normal life together but it’s always handy if I’ve run out of nail Polish or need some stockings!
Hope you’re keeping well x | |||
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"This is the way I feel: Why do you not like to date tvs? Because I'm attracted to men, and I like them to look like men. I wouldn't find my/a man dressed as a woman attractive. Is it because we are to much like you? No Because of not being manly? Yes Because we may be gay, bisexual? The above is the main reason, I don't know if TVs are gay/bi or if it varies by individual. You are worried about sexual health issues? Now you mention it, maybe, if you're meeting men. " Can I ask out of genuine interest, what is the difference between a female meeting a male and a TV meeting a male for sexual purposes? V | |||
"This is the way I feel: Why do you not like to date tvs? Because I'm attracted to men, and I like them to look like men. I wouldn't find my/a man dressed as a woman attractive. Is it because we are to much like you? No Because of not being manly? Yes Because we may be gay, bisexual? The above is the main reason, I don't know if TVs are gay/bi or if it varies by individual. You are worried about sexual health issues? Now you mention it, maybe, if you're meeting men. Can I ask out of genuine interest, what is the difference between a female meeting a male and a TV meeting a male for sexual purposes? V" Sorry, should add that the question is in reply to your answer about sexual health worries. | |||
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"This is the way I feel: Why do you not like to date tvs? Because I'm attracted to men, and I like them to look like men. I wouldn't find my/a man dressed as a woman attractive. Is it because we are to much like you? No Because of not being manly? Yes Because we may be gay, bisexual? The above is the main reason, I don't know if TVs are gay/bi or if it varies by individual. You are worried about sexual health issues? Now you mention it, maybe, if you're meeting men. Can I ask out of genuine interest, what is the difference between a female meeting a male and a TV meeting a male for sexual purposes? V Sorry, should add that the question is in reply to your answer about sexual health worries." There shouldn't be, I know. It's a crappy preconception that men are more likely to engage in high risk behaviour. Rationally I know that's not true for all men. | |||
"I've had sex with women and couples in swingers clubs, there are some women that find us attractive sexually and some that don't. Just like any other preference. As for dating well that's a different matter. My ex wife knew all about Lisa from day one and was happy with it but it was me, as a man, she lived with the majority of the time. When we visited swingers clubs or met other couples at home I was always Lisa then. Unless you live full time as a girl then any woman, who could accept cross dressing, has still got to be attracted to the "man" underneath first and foremost when it comes to dating. " That last sentence is so true Lisa. I wouldn’t be comfortable with “Abby” taking over altogether. I still need the male that I met and fell in love with. Luckily over time we have got it right. V | |||
"I don't know any TV's to be honest. But I wouldn't rule it out - I'm not looking to meet TV's on Fab but there are a couple of people here that I quite fancy "Hopes xxx | |||
"A question for the born females on fab. Why do you not like to date tvs? Is it because we are to much like you? Because of not being manly? Because we may be gay, bisexual? You are worried about sexual health issues? Just curious to know what you really think? Honesty more welcome than being politically correct. Give it to me girls " There is a sexy couple on here and the guy is a TV. I'm sure there are plenty more. | |||
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"This is the way I feel: Why do you not like to date tvs? Because I'm attracted to men, and I like them to look like men. I wouldn't find my/a man dressed as a woman attractive. Is it because we are to much like you? No Because of not being manly? Yes Because we may be gay, bisexual? The above is the main reason, I don't know if TVs are gay/bi or if it varies by individual. You are worried about sexual health issues? Now you mention it, maybe, if you're meeting men. Can I ask out of genuine interest, what is the difference between a female meeting a male and a TV meeting a male for sexual purposes? V Sorry, should add that the question is in reply to your answer about sexual health worries. There shouldn't be, I know. It's a crappy preconception that men are more likely to engage in high risk behaviour. Rationally I know that's not true for all men. " It's more just that men - on the whole - are far less discerning than women when it comes to casual sex partners, and thus the average gay/bi man will have had more sexual partners than the average straight man. Every extra person is an increased risk, hence the greater prevalence in the MSM population as a whole. | |||
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"I can't believe the question has been asked" What question is that? | |||
"I've had sex with women and couples in swingers clubs, there are some women that find us attractive sexually and some that don't. Just like any other preference. As for dating well that's a different matter. My ex wife knew all about Lisa from day one and was happy with it but it was me, as a man, she lived with the majority of the time. When we visited swingers clubs or met other couples at home I was always Lisa then. Unless you live full time as a girl then any woman, who could accept cross dressing, has still got to be attracted to the "man" underneath first and foremost when it comes to dating. That last sentence is so true Lisa. I wouldn’t be comfortable with “Abby” taking over altogether. I still need the male that I met and fell in love with. Luckily over time we have got it right. V" Absolutely right. I was together with my ex for 17 years and I told her about Lisa (well I was called Tanya then but that's irrelevant!) from day 1 as I can't live a lie or deceive someone. I'd say 95% of the time I was the guy she fell in love with but she also loved Lisa/Tanya too. We split up 3 years ago (nothing to do with the cross dressing) but we are still great friends and still go out clothes shopping etc together. | |||
"I've had sex with women and couples in swingers clubs, there are some women that find us attractive sexually and some that don't. Just like any other preference. As for dating well that's a different matter. My ex wife knew all about Lisa from day one and was happy with it but it was me, as a man, she lived with the majority of the time. When we visited swingers clubs or met other couples at home I was always Lisa then. Unless you live full time as a girl then any woman, who could accept cross dressing, has still got to be attracted to the "man" underneath first and foremost when it comes to dating. That last sentence is so true Lisa. I wouldn’t be comfortable with “Abby” taking over altogether. I still need the male that I met and fell in love with. Luckily over time we have got it right. V Absolutely right. I was together with my ex for 17 years and I told her about Lisa (well I was called Tanya then but that's irrelevant!) from day 1 as I can't live a lie or deceive someone. I'd say 95% of the time I was the guy she fell in love with but she also loved Lisa/Tanya too. We split up 3 years ago (nothing to do with the cross dressing) but we are still great friends and still go out clothes shopping etc together. " Honesty is always best. We know many TV’s who sadly have to live a double life but that’s another thread altogether! Glad you’ve remained friends | |||
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