 |
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the conservatives get there own way they will be wanting to join the euro, they say if the uk join it will make it stronger?
Whats your views  "
No views. I'm an historian not an economist and don't presume to understand the pros and cons of joining the euro. Personally I would listen to what those who do know the pros and cons have to say ie the economists and I certainly wouldn't listen to those whose views are informed by emotions or political considerations. If the economists say it's good for the country then I'm for it. If they don't, I'm not. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Hello Couple 1234,
why would we want to join a sinking ship? I really can't see that happening given the large amount of Euroscepticism in this country?
Alec |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the conservatives get there own way they will be wanting to join the euro, they say if the uk join it will make it stronger?
Whats your views "
I am not sure where you read that but I am pretty damn sure we ( I am a Tory) are the most anti euro party of the lot. It was sonly Brown last time that stopped us going into a sinking ship. (About the only good thing he ever did). |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Hello Sexslut,
a good idea but there is a problem; you'll find plenty of economists who say it is a good idea and just as many who say the Euro will collapse, it's inevitable that when there are experts they will disagree.
Alec |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
oops sorry ...
And this Government has already withdrwan from the fund that is trying to save the Euro ..something Darling signed us up to AFTER losing the election ..
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If the conservatives get there own way they will be wanting to join the euro, they say if the uk join it will make it stronger?
Whats your views "
The tories are a bunch of fuckwits tbh..
but surely even they are not that stupid...
only way i can see the euro project surviving is with greater political union probably run by Germany..
no thank you.. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"
The tories are a bunch of fuckwits tbh..
but surely even they are not that stupid...
"
Love it!
Well can I politely disagree that we are fuckwits but agree that we aren't so stupid as to join what will be seen as the biggest failed economic gamble since WWII...
The Euro was set up by a bunch of Federalists who set out rules and then bypassed them 'to achieve the objective'. And so admitting that the Euro was not a financial union but a first move towards a quasi United States of Europe. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"To be honest i didn't hear it first hand i did hear a few people talking about it and it just made me think what if our uk government did decide to join the euro"
That's not what your OP inferred. You made it sound like you just read it on BBC News.
The Conservatives are a committed anti-Euro party. There's no way Cameron will ditch the pound for the Euro. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"
The tories are a bunch of fuckwits tbh..
but surely even they are not that stupid...
Love it!
Well can I politely disagree that we are fuckwits but agree that we aren't so stupid as to join what will be seen as the biggest failed economic gamble since WWII...
The Euro was set up by a bunch of Federalists who set out rules and then bypassed them 'to achieve the objective'. And so admitting that the Euro was not a financial union but a first move towards a quasi United States of Europe."
dont take it personally..
meant the fuckwits in Parliament.. not those within the populace who think they are going to represent them..
thanks for the recent history update, pretty much up to speed on what was a complete pile of kack pushed by Germany and with France trotting alongside...
what was it..?
no more than 3% of GDP the max of each applying countries debt..
even Germany fiddled their books to set the thing up..
as a pinko leftie i am in agreement with you my old tory comrade...
lets stay away, can always have free trade etc with them.. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ouple1234 OP Couple
over a year ago
BELFAST UK |
"To be honest i didn't hear it first hand i did hear a few people talking about it and it just made me think what if our uk government did decide to join the euro
That's not what your OP inferred. You made it sound like you just read it on BBC News.
The Conservatives are a committed anti-Euro party. There's no way Cameron will ditch the pound for the Euro."
Well if thats the way it came across il make sure to correct it next time |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"
lets stay away, can always have free trade etc with them.."
Well Free Trade is what we voted for and not what we have now.
I think whoever offers the Country a vot on Europe will go streets ahead in the polls. Watch Cameron do it about 12 months before the (now fixed date) Election ..and say to the Liberals 'and your point is?'... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
the euro is dead the politicians know it its only a matter of time before its broken up and countries return to there own currency.when italy go's to the wall that will be the final nail in the euro coffin |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
central scotland |
"To be honest i didn't hear it first hand i did hear a few people talking about it and it just made me think what if our uk government did decide to join the euro
That's not what your OP inferred. You made it sound like you just read it on BBC News.
The Conservatives are a committed anti-Euro party. There's no way Cameron will ditch the pound for the Euro."
Cameron actualy said "We will not be joining the Euro during this parlaiment" Which to my understanding is MP speak for we will at some point but not just now. I would hardly say that is the statement of a committed anti Euro party. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
No that us a proper statement from a Prime Minister who accepts the convention he cannot commit any future administration and can only speak for this one. Why do people seek a hidden agenda when the man is simply following accepted convention? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"To be honest i didn't hear it first hand i did hear a few people talking about it and it just made me think what if our uk government did decide to join the euro
That's not what your OP inferred. You made it sound like you just read it on BBC News.
The Conservatives are a committed anti-Euro party. There's no way Cameron will ditch the pound for the Euro.
Cameron actualy said "We will not be joining the Euro during this parlaiment" Which to my understanding is MP speak for we will at some point but not just now. I would hardly say that is the statement of a committed anti Euro party."
I'd say it was clever politicking from Mr Cameron. The Euro crisis will pass, that is inevitable, all crises pass eventually. When it does (and the € will survive it) Europe will enter a period of boom and if Tory grass root support leans in favour of joining the Euro (assuming the Tories are still in power at the time) Britain will join the single currency. It will be done very cleverly by whoever is running the country and it'll be along the lines of being labelled a Little Englander if you're not in favour of joining.
Never say never in politics. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Hidden agenda? once again you puzzle me."
I puzzle a lot of people. 
Your post seemed to infer that while he was saying one thing it was MP speak to mean something else in other words there was a hidden agenda? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I agree that the Euro is saveable, but I doubt that the current heads of state (ie Angela Merkal) have the political capital to actualy do what is necesary.
As it stands, we are probably in a position to benefit from joining the Euro (we have a stronger currency than most in the Euro and joining would have the effect of devaluing it) but joining the Euro is not necesarily just an ecconomic decision.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I though it was only a matter if time (and probably not much) before it all collapsed. Europe can keep it as far as I'm concerned."
It's in nobody's interests to see the € collapse. Listen to what they economists are saying will happen if Greece defaults and reverts back to the Drachma. Inflation will go through the roof, and the cost of living will be astronomical. Now translate that right across the Eurozone and you'll see Europe go into meltdown taking us with it, and then that will expand to other markets affecting the $ and the Y.
The € is here to stay and if we ever sign up to it I hope we're allowed to have a dual currency for a few years instead of plunging headlong into and scrapping the £ straight away. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Hello Sexslut,
a good idea but there is a problem; you'll find plenty of economists who say it is a good idea and just as many who say the Euro will collapse, it's inevitable that when there are experts they will disagree.
Alec"
Hi Alec.
Of course there will be disagreement and knowing very little about economics and finance I shall doubtless find it difficult to follow their arguments. But if there was a referendum (and personally I don't think any government would actually hold one whatever they might hint in order to get votes from the Eurosceptics) I would want to make sure I had listened to all the informed views before I voted.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Hello Sexslut,
a good idea but there is a problem; you'll find plenty of economists who say it is a good idea and just as many who say the Euro will collapse, it's inevitable that when there are experts they will disagree.
Alec
Hi Alec.
Of course there will be disagreement and knowing very little about economics and finance I shall doubtless find it difficult to follow their arguments. But if there was a referendum (and personally I don't think any government would actually hold one whatever they might hint in order to get votes from the Eurosceptics) I would want to make sure I had listened to all the informed views before I voted.
"
Unfortunately you wan't be given the arguments to get an informed view.
I watched Newsnight last night ans, frankly, I got sick to death of people saying that they voted to go into a common market, not a political union. They should have learned a little then shouldn't they? It was quite clear in the Treaty of Rome that the intention, from the start, was an ever closer Political and Ecconomic Union. There were any number of other indicators that there was an intent to have a common currency (the first time I can find that it was mooted was in the 1960's under the Belgian Presidency, when the little Euro sign (I can't find it on my keyboard) was designed).
I can apreciate that there was no internet back in those days, but there is plenty of opportunity to find the facts these days. A little knoledge of statistical analasys goes a long way........ |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"We are an island nation and should have our currency and stick to it, leave the £ alone and fuck the € off!!"
Well I think it is rather late to be anti-euro on these grounds. We gave up our real currency when we went decimal. Our pre-decimal money went right back to our Anglo-Saxon roots-the sixpence or tanner that I got as pocket money had its beginnings in the reign of Alfred the Great, and the penny even earlier.The system of measuring in twelves, like twelve pennies to a shilling also went back to that time.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Hello Sexslut,
a good idea but there is a problem; you'll find plenty of economists who say it is a good idea and just as many who say the Euro will collapse, it's inevitable that when there are experts they will disagree.
Alec
Hi Alec.
Of course there will be disagreement and knowing very little about economics and finance I shall doubtless find it difficult to follow their arguments. But if there was a referendum (and personally I don't think any government would actually hold one whatever they might hint in order to get votes from the Eurosceptics) I would want to make sure I had listened to all the informed views before I voted.
Unfortunately you wan't be given the arguments to get an informed view.
I watched Newsnight last night ans, frankly, I got sick to death of people saying that they voted to go into a common market, not a political union. They should have learned a little then shouldn't they? It was quite clear in the Treaty of Rome that the intention, from the start, was an ever closer Political and Ecconomic Union. There were any number of other indicators that there was an intent to have a common currency (the first time I can find that it was mooted was in the 1960's under the Belgian Presidency, when the little Euro sign (I can't find it on my keyboard) was designed).
I can apreciate that there was no internet back in those days, but there is plenty of opportunity to find the facts these days. A little knoledge of statistical analasys goes a long way........"
Well anyone who watched one of the last Question Times with Edward Heath (Tony Benn was on it too) or read Heath's autobiography would have heard/read Heath saying precisely this.
But on your comment that I wouldn't be given their arguments, I would not rely on television or the Press (I don't even have a television).I would go to books and journals which is where I went to find out the little I know about Friedman, Keynes etc.Frankly I wouldn't trust ANY section of the media for my information about most things! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"To be honest i didn't hear it first hand i did hear a few people talking about it and it just made me think what if our uk government did decide to join the euro"
It is called Chinese whispers and unfortunately is making you now look a bit daft because the Tories are second only to UKIP in their anti European anti Euro stance. Never mind - makes for a good thread of mindless Tory bashing as a result of baseless speculation.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"stick it where the sun don't shine, just another way of increasing prices and taxes"
I wonder if there is a positive correlation between the downturn in the state of the economy and the reduced sighting of money spiders.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
