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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago
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I'm posting this as a point of debate, I personally feel smoking should be banned. a friend brought these figures to my attention, and and I know it is a choice to smoke, but passive smoking still disrupts lives.
From NHS website:
Smoking is one of the biggest causes of death and illness in the UK. Every year around 78,000 people in the UK die from smoking, with many more living with debilitating smoking-related illnesses. Smoking increases your risk of developing more than 50 serious health conditions.
And in America
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.
how come cigarettes are so readily available if they cause this much damage to people? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The same as alcohol why is alcohol so ready available to both do damage
Exactly.
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And also air pollution kills far more people globally so let's ban all cars.
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You cant take away ones personal choices though .
I quit 2 years ago and I'm glad I did .
But if its banned completely it just creates a black market for 2 million smokers and crime rates will soar  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The same as alcohol why is alcohol so ready available to both do damage
Exactly.
And also air pollution kills far more people globally so let's ban all cars.
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And UK road traffic accidents kill or seriously injure 27,820 (June 2019 figures) - we should definetly ban cars ... |
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I personally can't imagine why anybody smokes. As well as the health issues, I think it looks and smells awful.
Reversing something which is so ingrained in society is practically impossible. Governments are highly unlikely to ban it. In the UK (according to the last time I saw figures), the tax generated from cigarette sales far outweighs the money spent on smokers by the NHS.
I totally get your point OP, but I'd prefer to see everybody stop wanting to smoke in the first place. It seems about as likely, sadly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The same as alcohol why is alcohol so ready available to both do damage
Agreed! Alcohol destroys lives  x"
It does but on the whole its seen as socially acceptable but in reality you or loved one is far more likely to be directly affected by someone being brunk or their drinking than by someone else's smoking. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You cant take away ones personal choices though .
I quit 2 years ago and I'm glad I did .
But if its banned completely it just creates a black market for 2 million smokers and crime rates will soar "
Banning is not the answer. Education is.
Personnally I think all drugs should be legal and regulated.
I switched from smoking to vaping and will probably never quit vaping even if definite risks are highlighted.
I am an addict and will always find something to be addicted to so banning smoking wouldn't stop harmful behaviour just shift it to something else. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm posting this as a point of debate, I personally feel smoking should be banned. a friend brought these figures to my attention, and and I know it is a choice to smoke, but passive smoking still disrupts lives.
From NHS website:
Smoking is one of the biggest causes of death and illness in the UK. Every year around 78,000 people in the UK die from smoking, with many more living with debilitating smoking-related illnesses. Smoking increases your risk of developing more than 50 serious health conditions.
And in America
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.
how come cigarettes are so readily available if they cause this much damage to people?"
I detest smoking in my vicinity hate it actually a sword I don’t often use as I try to see things from both sides There’s no argument for smoking  |
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By *hav02Man
over a year ago
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You may be interested to know that the Treasury accrues nearly £10b in Tabacco duty, and that excludes the revenue from VAT from the Tabacco industry.
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That's a lot of nurses' salaries being paid for! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You may be interested to know that the Treasury accrues nearly £10b in Tabacco duty, and that excludes the revenue from VAT from the Tabacco industry.
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That's a lot of nurses' salaries being paid for!"
The bill to the NHS for care for smokers is higher though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You may be interested to know that the Treasury accrues nearly £10b in Tabacco duty, and that excludes the revenue from VAT from the Tabacco industry.
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That's a lot of nurses' salaries being paid for!"
We should tax hard drugs in a similar way to "save" the NHS then, right? We'd have so many new nurses funded on c0ke scholarships! As long as it's making money (from the people) then it doesn't matter if it's bad or imoral right.... 
We could tax crime too? We could tax terrorism and violence?   |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You may be interested to know that the Treasury accrues nearly £10b in Tabacco duty, and that excludes the revenue from VAT from the Tabacco industry.
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That's a lot of nurses' salaries being paid for!
The bill to the NHS for care for smokers is higher though. "
No it isn't.
Its estimated that the tax from tobacco sales is around 10 billion and the cost of treating smoking related conditions is about 7 to 8 billion.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You may be interested to know that the Treasury accrues nearly £10b in Tabacco duty, and that excludes the revenue from VAT from the Tabacco industry.
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That's a lot of nurses' salaries being paid for!
The bill to the NHS for care for smokers is higher though.
No it isn't.
Its estimated that the tax from tobacco sales is around 10 billion and the cost of treating smoking related conditions is about 7 to 8 billion.
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Source? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You may be interested to know that the Treasury accrues nearly £10b in Tabacco duty, and that excludes the revenue from VAT from the Tabacco industry.
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That's a lot of nurses' salaries being paid for!
The bill to the NHS for care for smokers is higher though.
No it isn't.
Its estimated that the tax from tobacco sales is around 10 billion and the cost of treating smoking related conditions is about 7 to 8 billion.
Source?"
Google it like I did. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You may be interested to know that the Treasury accrues nearly £10b in Tabacco duty, and that excludes the revenue from VAT from the Tabacco industry.
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That's a lot of nurses' salaries being paid for!
The bill to the NHS for care for smokers is higher though.
No it isn't.
Its estimated that the tax from tobacco sales is around 10 billion and the cost of treating smoking related conditions is about 7 to 8 billion.
Source?
Google it like I did. "
Oh THAT'S alright then.... |
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By *hav02Man
over a year ago
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"You may be interested to know that the Treasury accrues nearly £10b in Tabacco duty, and that excludes the revenue from VAT from the Tabacco industry.
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That's a lot of nurses' salaries being paid for!
The bill to the NHS for care for smokers is higher though.
No it isn't.
Its estimated that the tax from tobacco sales is around 10 billion and the cost of treating smoking related conditions is about 7 to 8 billion.
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Action on Smoking and Health estimate that the total cost of smoking to society in England
alone is approximately £12.9 billion a year. This is made up of:
• £2 billion cost to the NHS of treating diseases caused by smoking
• £3 billion loss in productivity due to premature death
• £5 billion cost to businesses of smoking breaks
• £1 billion cost of smoking-related sick days
• £1.1 billion of social care costs of older smokers
• £391 million cost of fires caused by smokers’ materials
Source: hm treasury
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"I'm posting this as a point of debate, I personally feel smoking should be banned. a friend brought these figures to my attention, and and I know it is a choice to smoke, but passive smoking still disrupts lives.
From NHS website:
Smoking is one of the biggest causes of death and illness in the UK. Every year around 78,000 people in the UK die from smoking, with many more living with debilitating smoking-related illnesses. Smoking increases your risk of developing more than 50 serious health conditions.
And in America
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.
how come cigarettes are so readily available if they cause this much damage to people?"
Certainly worse than Corona. |
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"Smoking and alcohol will never be banned in this country it brings in to much money for the government because that's all they care about."
Which is then more than spent on treatments for illnesses and complications caused by.... Smoking and alcohol |
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"The same as alcohol why is alcohol so ready available to both do damage
Exactly.
And also air pollution kills far more people globally so let's ban all cars.
And UK road traffic accidents kill or seriously injure 27,820 (June 2019 figures) - we should definetly ban cars ..."
Like March April earlier this year... Wonder if road deaths dropped? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Smoking and alcohol will never be banned in this country it brings in to much money for the government because that's all they care about.
Which is then more than spent on treatments for illnesses and complications caused by.... Smoking and alcohol"
More on treatment however far less than if the smokers lived much longer and went into care homes at the states expense for 5-10 years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It is important to understand those figures. Everybody dies at some point, it isn't as if banning smoking would mean those people never die.
We are all able to make life choices (within the law) many of which increase our chances of dying earlier than we perhaps otherwise would. Things like riding a motorbike, being obese, and smoking are all perfectly legal but all carry a significant increase in the chances of an early death.
Some activities it is an easier decision, the overall benefit to the majority outweighs the harm to the minority - say horseriding as an example. Others are perhaps less clear, like alcohol and then others still have absolutely no benefit to anyone other than perhaps the ability to make personal choices - say obesity and smoking (the latter has the added harm to others hence the new laws to increase protection from passive smoking)
When we talk about banning something then we need to consider the consequences. Its one thing to ban smoking around others (they don't get a choice otherwise) but if we say we are going to ban it full stop because it kills thousands then we need to consider other similar lifestyle choices that have similar risks. While it's massively unfashionable to say, the truth is obesity is a major and growing cause of death in this country (apart from anything else it doubles your chance of dying from Covid)
People will always die and part of living a fulfilled life is being able to make choices. So long as we protect others from those choices then we have to agree to let people choose things we personally wouldn't.
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Strange isn’t it. Cigarettes have to be hidden behind doors and then people have to play “guess which brand the shop has” to protect young people from the lure of the devil sticks....
But young people can walk down the alcohol aisle of a supermarket with all its brightly coloured, exciting looking treats and no one raises concern. From toffee vodka to cherry cider, all aimed at the “responsible adult” of course....
Yet alcohol misuse is the biggest risk factor for death, ill-health, and disability among 15-49 year-olds. In 2018/19 7.4% of all hospital admissions in England (amounting to 1.26 million admissions) were related to alcohol consumption.
Of course this doesn’t even factor in the psychological, social or abuse impacts that tends to go hand in hand with alcohol misuse.
But yeah let’s ban smoking, why not have a protest in the street whilst sucking in the equivalent of 100 cigarettes (London air pollution figures) on an 8 hour march..... I’ll bring the beers
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The government permits many things that are dangerous, including pollution around the UK, which harms and kills thousands. Alcohol is not safe either but has a long history of social use and tax revenue.
I have long believed that we have sovereign of our body and should be free to use it as we wish to, if it's consensual etc. |
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"The government permits many things that are dangerous, including pollution around the UK, which harms and kills thousands. Alcohol is not safe either but has a long history of social use and tax revenue.
I have long believed that we have sovereign of our body and should be free to use it as we wish to, if it's consensual etc. "
**, Sovereignty ** |
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"Strange isn’t it. Cigarettes have to be hidden behind doors and then people have to play “guess which brand the shop has” to protect young people from the lure of the devil sticks....
But young people can walk down the alcohol aisle of a supermarket with all its brightly coloured, exciting looking treats and no one raises concern. From toffee vodka to cherry cider, all aimed at the “responsible adult” of course....
Yet alcohol misuse is the biggest risk factor for death, ill-health, and disability among 15-49 year-olds. In 2018/19 7.4% of all hospital admissions in England (amounting to 1.26 million admissions) were related to alcohol consumption.
Of course this doesn’t even factor in the psychological, social or abuse impacts that tends to go hand in hand with alcohol misuse.
But yeah let’s ban smoking, why not have a protest in the street whilst sucking in the equivalent of 100 cigarettes (London air pollution figures) on an 8 hour march..... I’ll bring the beers
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This |
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"Over eating and drinking are activities that, health wise, only directly affect the person doing it. Smokers inflict damage on people around them."
Drinking affects others ultimately it's what led to the death of my youngest children's father! Complicated but sad! Was not an easy road at all as I'm sure it's not for many many families x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Providing statistics doesn't provide answers, but gives you the questions to ask.
Why do people smoke? Purely speculation on my behalf, but marketing, image, the addiction and the relief/pleasure.
Years ago people used sniff and chewed tobacco....slowly such habits die out. Human behavior cant be regulated by legislation alone?
Personally you'd have to be mad to smoke, but then again some folk think I'm a tosser for wearing lycra and riding a bike? |
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"Over eating and drinking are activities that, health wise, only directly affect the person doing it. Smokers inflict damage on people around them."
So drink drivers killing people or d*unks beating up their partners or random people in the street only impacts the person drinking?
Over eating leading to ill health doesn’t impact taxpayers at all, or cause longer queues in the nhs for people that haven’t got a self inflicted illness?
Whilst I can agree that smoking is harmful and the majority of smokers I know now feel so pariah like that they have to hide from society to not be accused of giving people cancer, I would argue it’s social impact is far less than alcohol and ill health caused by obesity |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not sure if I'm allowed to write this, but has anyone read into the studies about ibogaine or psilocybin being used to help treat addiction? Whether it's an addiction to alcohol, cigarettes or other drugs. Quite interesting reads.
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By (user no longer on site)
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So I lost my mum to lung cancer 12 yrs ago. She smoked from the age of 15 as it was a ‘cool’ thing back then. I can remember my mum always trying to give up and never succeeding, but she always tried. As a person loosing a parent at such a young age to smoking related illnesses, I don’t hate my mum for not being able to give up smoking, but I wish she could feel the pain her death left behind. We as a family live with it every day, even 12yrs on. So if you are a parent who smokes, please think about your family, especially if u have young children x |
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"Over eating and drinking are activities that, health wise, only directly affect the person doing it. Smokers inflict damage on people around them.
So drink drivers killing people or d*unks beating up their partners or random people in the street only impacts the person drinking?
Over eating leading to ill health doesn’t impact taxpayers at all, or cause longer queues in the nhs for people that haven’t got a self inflicted illness?
Whilst I can agree that smoking is harmful and the majority of smokers I know now feel so pariah like that they have to hide from society to not be accused of giving people cancer, I would argue it’s social impact is far less than alcohol and ill health caused by obesity "
I used the word directly.
My grandad died of lung cancer. Smoking is a dirty, filthy habit and I hope anti smoking measures become tougher. |
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"Over eating and drinking are activities that, health wise, only directly affect the person doing it. Smokers inflict damage on people around them.
So drink drivers killing people or d*unks beating up their partners or random people in the street only impacts the person drinking?
Over eating leading to ill health doesn’t impact taxpayers at all, or cause longer queues in the nhs for people that haven’t got a self inflicted illness?
Whilst I can agree that smoking is harmful and the majority of smokers I know now feel so pariah like that they have to hide from society to not be accused of giving people cancer, I would argue it’s social impact is far less than alcohol and ill health caused by obesity
I used the word directly.
My grandad died of lung cancer. Smoking is a dirty, filthy habit and I hope anti smoking measures become tougher."
Whilst I am genuinely sorry for your loss. Your use of the word “directly” is flexible to say the least, walking past someone smoking a cigarette and inhaling a minuscule amount of the smoke will not immediately give you cancer, it is something that develops over time. Getting run over by a d*unk driver is quite direct, wouldn’t you say? |
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By *oxychicWoman
over a year ago
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"The same as alcohol why is alcohol so ready available to both do damage
I never suffer from passive drinking though."
nope but alcohol as a big impact on the families around the person with the problem |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"From NHS website:
Smoking is one of the biggest causes of death and illness in the UK. Every year around 78,000 people in the UK die from smoking, with many more living with debilitating smoking-related illnesses. Smoking increases your risk of developing more than 50 serious health conditions."
78,000 preventable deaths, and of those 78,000 how many suffered a reduced quality of life in their final years? But we can assume that of those 78,000 most if not all decided to smoke of their own free will, and if they started in the last 50 years, the harmful effects would have been well known. The libertine in me, the free choice my body argument, is comfortable with that.
Those who develop illnesses or early death from passive smoking are those who really need our protection. If the measures required in protecting those people reduces the freedoms and choices of others then that's when restrictions come into play. When your free choice puts others at risk, then your freedom of choice needs to be curtailed. Like speeding, or gun control...
Alcohol? Kills thousands every year, and sadly I know many who've succumbed directly to the effects of alcohol abuse, and how many more lives a lost through drink driving, alcohol fuels violence, etc?
What is or isn't socially acceptable changes through the generations . In my opinion we are on the cusp of seeing a major societal shift towards alcohol abuse, obesity and other similar things. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" never suffer from passive drinking though."
If you were run over and killed whilst sober by a d*unk driver, or beaten up by a d*unken yob in a town centre, you might have an alternate view. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"With the amount of revenue the government receive from tax on tobacco products they'll never ban smoking."
I can see a day when a ban is in place. The barrier to that ban though, is not the loss in revenue, but the fact that smokers die younger. In doing so, it removes the issue of social care in later life. In terms of social spending by a government, that's attractive. |
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By *itch74Woman
over a year ago
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Ya all go on about this does this... Blah blah..... Etc etc etc etc
I've not heard any covid deaths on smokers,even though the disease suppose to affect ya air ways... Don't ya think smokers would be at the very top of the list???
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By *itch74Woman
over a year ago
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"Maybe ban bareback sex, or even swinging Full stop. Then people wouldn’t die of HIV and other infections.
We need to ban more things!"
It's not just sex they contract it from.... Dirty needles or a blood transfusion... Which does actually happen in some hospitals still |
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It's certainly a difficult issue. It'd be cruel to those with a dependency. It'd lead to a black market like illicit substances (which has other problems). Might make treatment more difficult and safety for those who smoke reduced.
I don't think there's much doubt that smoking is a net harm, but banning it would be incredibly difficult and painful. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Make it even more difficult to be a smoker...
Limit the number of packs that can be bought at a time...
Seriously ramp up the tax on tobacco products...
Ban rolling tobacco...
Increase the smoking age to 21...
If a governments first priority is the health and welfare of it's citizens, then it should be banned.
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If we are look at revenue vs cost
It’s interesting to note that charity parachute jumps cost the nhs more (due to treatment of injuries and accidents as a result) than the money they raise. The irony being that most charity parachute jumps are raising money for the nhs.
We should ban everything and not allow people free will or choice. That solves everything
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Make it even more difficult to be a smoker...
Limit the number of packs that can be bought at a time...
Seriously ramp up the tax on tobacco products...
Ban rolling tobacco...
Increase the smoking age to 21...
If a governments first priority is the health and welfare of it's citizens, then it should be banned.
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Are you certain that our governments or institutions first priority is its citizens welfare? If it was, would thud not have already been done? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"t’s interesting to note that charity parachute jumps cost the nhs more (due to treatment of injuries and accidents as a result) than the money they raise. The irony being that most charity parachute jumps are raising money for the nhs."
This is an interesting point, and I thought we'd have to dress it at some point.
I was involved in motorsport in my younger years. On a bad day, that be life ending, on a not so bad day life changing, but on most days, fortunately... its just good fun. Skydiving, and many other adventure sports are the same, potentially dangerous, but only when things go wrong.
Using tobacco is different. One cigarette won't kill you, but each one has an negative cumulative effect, which can be life ending. |
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"I'm posting this as a point of debate, I personally feel smoking should be banned. a friend brought these figures to my attention, and and I know it is a choice to smoke, but passive smoking still disrupts lives.
From NHS website:
Smoking is one of the biggest causes of death and illness in the UK. Every year around 78,000 people in the UK die from smoking, with many more living with debilitating smoking-related illnesses. Smoking increases your risk of developing more than 50 serious health conditions.
And in America
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.
how come cigarettes are so readily available if they cause this much damage to people?"
It's a slippery slope that one, for starters where do we draw the line? Pretty much anything anyone does in life has consequences for someone else be they life threatening or life altering, who determines which threats are acceptable and which are not? Should we ban excessive eating, sugary foods etc due to the massive impact on the nhs which does effect everyone not just the person doing all the chowing down.
Aside from that it would also see a boom in the illegal market which will 1) demonise perfectly respectable law abiding people and 2) put more money in the hands of organised gangs.
It's not a stretch to believe that such a move as taking away people's civil liberties along with the perceived concern over what will be banned next, could lead to unrest and rioting too.
Smoking is a disgusting habit and I'm a smoker myself but banning something is not to be taken lightly. Control measures such as limiting such activities in public spaces is about the best it can get along with education. |
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"t’s interesting to note that charity parachute jumps cost the nhs more (due to treatment of injuries and accidents as a result) than the money they raise. The irony being that most charity parachute jumps are raising money for the nhs.
This is an interesting point, and I thought we'd have to dress it at some point.
I was involved in motorsport in my younger years. On a bad day, that be life ending, on a not so bad day life changing, but on most days, fortunately... its just good fun. Skydiving, and many other adventure sports are the same, potentially dangerous, but only when things go wrong.
Using tobacco is different. One cigarette won't kill you, but each one has an negative cumulative effect, which can be life ending."
“Can” being the operative word, just like alcohol, obesity, motorsport, crossing the road etc.
I have two relatives that lived into their hundreds and smoked everyday, unfiltered (navy cut) cigarettes. Everything in life that we do carries a risk. Some are higher risk activities than others. If we are going to ban all activities that “can” have a negatively be impact on our life expectancy or health then we are all going to end up doing not much at all.
“But smokers put others at risk”, yes however we can see people smoking and avoid them, they usually have a big cloud of smoke around them, I can’t spot a d*unk in a car. Or an aggressive d*unk in the street, I might try to avoid them but they might choose to not avoid me.
I actually feel a little sorry for smokers, they are vilified and chastise almost constantly and yet people have a choice whether they actively engage with them, and in today’s age this is always outside in any social setting and thus can be avoided. Isn’t it enough we have pushed them to the margins of society? Turned pubs from drinking and smoking houses into crèches? Are we going to stop all adults from being adults and making informed choices?
If so, stop the world, I want to get off |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The same as alcohol why is alcohol so ready available to both do damage
Agreed! Alcohol destroys lives x"
This is true, 78000 died from smoking, 7000 from alcohol but 50000 died from flu and there is nothing you can do about that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I smoke.
If they banned it tomorrow and I couldn't get any cigs I'd be delighted.
I hate the fact that I smoke but just can't give it up and I've tried 278 times! "
Switch to vaping. Took me awhile to get used to it (and I still occasionally miss actual cigarettes especially if someone is smoking near me) but it is still better than smoking and cheaper. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The nhs on a university of Cambridge study found obesity is the leading cause of death followed by alcohol and then smoking, smokers always bear the brunt due to other peoples opinions on it, smoking is not really socially acceptable any more which is a good thing and alcohol restrictions are increasing year on year but nothing is been done about unhealthy food? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You can ask the same question of alcohol drugs foods chocolate high risk sports, the numbers may change....
What doesn't is people choose their own lifestyles hobbies even addictions.
Simply because you disapprove OP it doesn't mean your opinions are more valid that those who do not share them.
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"You may be interested to know that the Treasury accrues nearly £10b in Tabacco duty, and that excludes the revenue from VAT from the Tabacco industry.
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That's a lot of nurses' salaries being paid for!
The bill to the NHS for care for smokers is higher though. "
And many smokers die before or shortly after they reach pensionable age and require more care...that represents quite a saving from the government’s point of view.
Economics, eh? |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"If we are look at revenue vs cost
It’s interesting to note that charity parachute jumps cost the nhs more (due to treatment of injuries and accidents as a result) than the money they raise. The irony being that most charity parachute jumps are raising money for the nhs.
We should ban everything and not allow people free will or choice. That solves everything
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Where did you get this statistic from? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... but nothing is been done about unhealthy food?"
Attitudes are changing fast... it's the next battle ground. It's skirmishes for now, but when a solution that allows those on lower incomes to buy healthier food for less than the cost of the high salt, high fat, high sugar shite that too many of us eat, then expect total war on that front. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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lets ban everything that might cause harm, we could even go around in hamat suits just incase, grownups need to be treated as such, if someone wants to smoke let them, yes they may need care later in lif, but they have payed more than enough tax to cover it, same with drinkers, i wander how much it costs to keep someone in a care home for 30 years?
in fact i know as my dad is in one, its eye watering, so maybe he should have smoked and drank too much and he would have saved us a foutune.
people need choice, others may not agree with those choices, i smoke, yet i dont drive a car, cars, through polution, road deaths etc kill way more than smokers, so should we ban cars?????
If you ban personal choice, then i dont really want to live in that world. |
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"Filthy stinking habit! Smokers think of their own selfish needs and nobody else's. "
Im going to pick at your comment not directed at you.
first off I smoke anyway 25 before I started smoking.
selfish people dont think about there perfume/ body spray that is so strong it takes your breath away.
selfish people drive cars and go on planes for a holiday all because its a necessity.
one thing I give covid the air was alot cleaner to breath when you was all off the road.
the people who vape god knows what stuff they are inhaling stinks like hell and takes your breath away with certain brands
Im banned from them before I even start to quit.
ladys who pull out the hair spray and spray it all over forget about the people near them and dont realise they affect people with chest problems |
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"I'm posting this as a point of debate, I personally feel smoking should be banned. a friend brought these figures to my attention, and and I know it is a choice to smoke, but passive smoking still disrupts lives.
From NHS website:
Smoking is one of the biggest causes of death and illness in the UK. Every year around 78,000 people in the UK die from smoking, with many more living with debilitating smoking-related illnesses. Smoking increases your risk of developing more than 50 serious health conditions.
And in America
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.
how come cigarettes are so readily available if they cause this much damage to people?"
Take a step back a minute.... Who in their right mind would think of picking the leaves of a plant, drying them out, infusing them, rolling them up, sticking them in your mouth, setting fire to them, and choosing to inhale the smoke particles deep into their lungs. It's such a bizarre thing to do, let along enjoy doing and become addicted to. I can only imagine some wise people in hundreds of years looking at our history on beta max videos and trying to work out why we would do such a thing. |
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"I'm posting this as a point of debate, I personally feel smoking should be banned. a friend brought these figures to my attention, and and I know it is a choice to smoke, but passive smoking still disrupts lives.
From NHS website:
Smoking is one of the biggest causes of death and illness in the UK. Every year around 78,000 people in the UK die from smoking, with many more living with debilitating smoking-related illnesses. Smoking increases your risk of developing more than 50 serious health conditions.
And in America
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.
how come cigarettes are so readily available if they cause this much damage to people?
Take a step back a minute.... Who in their right mind would think of picking the leaves of a plant, drying them out, infusing them, rolling them up, sticking them in your mouth, setting fire to them, and choosing to inhale the smoke particles deep into their lungs. It's such a bizarre thing to do, let along enjoy doing and become addicted to. I can only imagine some wise people in hundreds of years looking at our history on beta max videos and trying to work out why we would do such a thing. "
Native Americans?
What is harmful is not the tobacco per se but the other chemicals used to preserve the tobacco. |
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"If you ban personal choice, then i dont really want to live in that world."
Personal choice is all well and good, so long as your personal choices do not impact on others in a negative way, like passive smoking.
To use a different example. I enjoy speed. The feeling you get when you have a car on its absolute limit, no margin for error, nothing held back, just giving it 100%, knowing that if you dip into your talent overdraft it's going to hurt... the adrenaline that releases is incredible. (In some cases, that sensation is even better than sex, although I'm fortunate enough to know a fabulous lady who is exceptional, and very much the exception to that claim).
Now, the issue with my personal choice is that should I come up short in skill, or should the vehicle suffer a catastrophic failure (I've had both) then while I may fu@k up my day, I could make a serious impact on the days of many other people who may have different personal choices.
That's why we have speed limits, which I strictly observe, and I have the option to do track days or go racing on a track. |
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"I'm posting this as a point of debate, I personally feel smoking should be banned. a friend brought these figures to my attention, and and I know it is a choice to smoke, but passive smoking still disrupts lives.
From NHS website:
Smoking is one of the biggest causes of death and illness in the UK. Every year around 78,000 people in the UK die from smoking, with many more living with debilitating smoking-related illnesses. Smoking increases your risk of developing more than 50 serious health conditions.
And in America
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.
how come cigarettes are so readily available if they cause this much damage to people?
I detest smoking in my vicinity hate it actually a sword I don’t often use as I try to see things from both sides There’s no argument for smoking "
Agreed. I’d love to see it banned - but sadly - as someone above said - simply think that this would criminalise millions of people and create a huge unregulated black market. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Also many plants have many uses edible or medicinal."
Nicotine is also found in small quantities in tomatoes and potatoes. Tobacco plant is part of the nightshade family.
Benefits of nicotine could include:
Preventing Parkinson’s disease, Improving memory, Boosting energy, Reducing inflammation, Alleviating depression symptoms. |
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"Filthy stinking habit! Smokers think of their own selfish needs and nobody else's.
Im going to pick at your comment not directed at you.
first off I smoke anyway 25 before I started smoking.
selfish people dont think about there perfume/ body spray that is so strong it takes your breath away.
selfish people drive cars and go on planes for a holiday all because its a necessity.
one thing I give covid the air was alot cleaner to breath when you was all off the road.
the people who vape god knows what stuff they are inhaling stinks like hell and takes your breath away with certain brands
Im banned from them before I even start to quit.
ladys who pull out the hair spray and spray it all over forget about the people near them and dont realise they affect people with chest problems"
Agreed! People are very selfish in lots of ways x |
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By *lan157Man
over a year ago
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Lets start by banning smoking in the gardens of pubs restaurants and cafes etc. Smokers seem to think they can pursue their smelly and polluting habit in the presence of others because its " outside"! |
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"I'm posting this as a point of debate, I personally feel smoking should be banned. a friend brought these figures to my attention, and and I know it is a choice to smoke, but passive smoking still disrupts lives.
From NHS website:
Smoking is one of the biggest causes of death and illness in the UK. Every year around 78,000 people in the UK die from smoking, with many more living with debilitating smoking-related illnesses. Smoking increases your risk of developing more than 50 serious health conditions.
And in America
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.
how come cigarettes are so readily available if they cause this much damage to people?"
I don’t smoke, I don’t drink a lot.
I had throat cancer, as a friend of mine who’s terminal with cancer said, it’s in your blood now.
My reprieve may only be temporary, so I’m a big fan of stopping all forms of smoking... |
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over a year ago
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"The same as alcohol why is alcohol so ready available to both do damage
Agreed! Alcohol destroys lives x"
It can... but then they tell you some alcohol is actually good for you. |
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over a year ago
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours "
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit.... |
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"The same as alcohol why is alcohol so ready available to both do damage
Agreed! Alcohol destroys lives x
It can... but then they tell you some alcohol is actually good for you. "
Not if your driving! |
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit.... "
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we. |
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we."
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we? |
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we? "
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument. |
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"The same as alcohol why is alcohol so ready available to both do damage
Agreed! Alcohol destroys lives x
It can... but then they tell you some alcohol is actually good for you. "
So they say! But alcohol destroyed my exes live literally! And had a devastating effect on his/our 3 children youngest was 11 at time! Something I wouldn't wish anyone to go through |
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I'm not gonna go on about banning this and banning that, that's good for you and that's not. At the end of the day we are all born to die, we enter with nothing and go with nothing, each and everyone of us should just try and enjoy wot short life we get in wot ever way we please  |
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over a year ago
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument."
This really, d*unks should pay for their habit too, maybe if they did then they wouldn't be d*unks....  |
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over a year ago
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument."
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine |
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine "
They're already at it, class A's, illegal untested medicines are banned, right.....?
What if ppl actually paid for their own self inflicted damage through a genuine honest tax system. I drink socially but I'd happily pay a bit extra for my booze and maybe that'd make me think twice and be a little healthier and stop others from being ill or becoming addicted or violent or being a public nuisance, or dropping litter etc....
Don't confuse ownership of your choices with removal of liberty - You smoke, it's up to you, but why not pay for what it costs society, no? |
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine "
The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking. |
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
They're already at it, class A's, illegal untested medicines are banned, right.....?
What if ppl actually paid for their own self inflicted damage through a genuine honest tax system. I drink socially but I'd happily pay a bit extra for my booze and maybe that'd make me think twice and be a little healthier and stop others from being ill or becoming addicted or violent or being a public nuisance, or dropping litter etc....
Don't confuse ownership of your choices with removal of liberty - You smoke, it's up to you, but why not pay for what it costs society, no? "
Smokers do, there’s an annual increase in tax on cigarettes, when I started 20 years ago they were £4 a packet now they’re £9+ they went up 12p just the other week |
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking. "
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
They're already at it, class A's, illegal untested medicines are banned, right.....?
What if ppl actually paid for their own self inflicted damage through a genuine honest tax system. I drink socially but I'd happily pay a bit extra for my booze and maybe that'd make me think twice and be a little healthier and stop others from being ill or becoming addicted or violent or being a public nuisance, or dropping litter etc....
Don't confuse ownership of your choices with removal of liberty - You smoke, it's up to you, but why not pay for what it costs society, no?
Smokers do, there’s an annual increase in tax on cigarettes, when I started 20 years ago they were £4 a packet now they’re £9+ they went up 12p just the other week "
They pay SOME tax, yes.... I don't believe it's calculated at the actual cost though. Someone tried to Google the answers for me at the start of this thread to "prove" it, then someone else Google something else. If it was calculated at the actual full cost and if non-smokers and smokers kids didn't have to put up with passive smoke and litter, I don't think there'd be an argument against it....
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking. "
So a hypothetical for you, a couple of smokers are outside (as law dictates) doing their thing, you come outside for a bit of fresh air, do you expect the smokers to clear the area for you? |
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking.
Am I the only smoker who buggers off round the corner away from groups of non smokers then? "
No you are not |
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking.
Am I the only smoker who buggers off round the corner away from groups of non smokers then?
No you are not "
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"You cant take away ones personal choices though .
I quit 2 years ago and I'm glad I did .
But if its banned completely it just creates a black market for 2 million smokers and crime rates will soar "
Yes me too gave up smoking 2 years ago. Friends around me were getting smoke related cancer.
Yes it will make a lot more crime.
Government will never make it illegal they get tax remember. Again this OP |
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I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking.
Am I the only smoker who buggers off round the corner away from groups of non smokers then?
No you are not
Thank Christ for that "
There is such a thing as a considerate smoker |
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking.
Am I the only smoker who buggers off round the corner away from groups of non smokers then?
No you are not
Thank Christ for that
There is such a thing as a considerate smoker "
I like to think I’m one of those at least I make the effort to be |
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking.
Am I the only smoker who buggers off round the corner away from groups of non smokers then?
No you are not
Thank Christ for that "
I don't think any smoker ever puffed smoke in someone's face deliberately, except the bad cops in '70's TV! However, every time I get out of a train station or airport I have to wade through concentrated smoke without having any choice in the matter. It doesn't bother me so much when I'm on my own, however when I'm with my daughter and she's coughing through it and covering her face as we go out of the station I think it's kinda sad..... |
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking.
Am I the only smoker who buggers off round the corner away from groups of non smokers then?
No you are not
Thank Christ for that
There is such a thing as a considerate smoker
I like to think I’m one of those at least I make the effort to be "
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The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking.
Am I the only smoker who buggers off round the corner away from groups of non smokers then?
No you are not
Thank Christ for that
I don't think any smoker ever puffed smoke in someone's face deliberately, except the bad cops in '70's TV! However, every time I get out of a train station or airport I have to wade through concentrated smoke without having any choice in the matter. It doesn't bother me so much when I'm on my own, however when I'm with my daughter and she's coughing through it and covering her face as we go out of the station I think it's kinda sad..... "
That is down to individuals not paying any attention to where they are allowed to smoke.
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The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking.
Am I the only smoker who buggers off round the corner away from groups of non smokers then?
No you are not
Thank Christ for that
I don't think any smoker ever puffed smoke in someone's face deliberately, except the bad cops in '70's TV! However, every time I get out of a train station or airport I have to wade through concentrated smoke without having any choice in the matter. It doesn't bother me so much when I'm on my own, however when I'm with my daughter and she's coughing through it and covering her face as we go out of the station I think it's kinda sad.....
That is down to individuals not paying any attention to where they are allowed to smoke.
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They're smokers though right? Not necessarily you or anyone else in this thread, but they are real people, real smokers....... |
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"Over eating and drinking are activities that, health wise, only directly affect the person doing it. Smokers inflict damage on people around them."
I don't smoke but I've yet to see a smoker get into a car and kill innocent people cause they'd had a cigarette, nor am I aware of a partner or children being physically or verbally abused because the person had a cigarette.
I know of those who have suffered this because of alcohol though so yeah, drinking most certainly does affect others. |
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"Over eating and drinking are activities that, health wise, only directly affect the person doing it. Smokers inflict damage on people around them.
I don't smoke but I've yet to see a smoker get into a car and kill innocent people cause they'd had a cigarette, nor am I aware of a partner or children being physically or verbally abused because the person had a cigarette.
I know of those who have suffered this because of alcohol though so yeah, drinking most certainly does affect others. "
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking.
Am I the only smoker who buggers off round the corner away from groups of non smokers then?
No you are not
Thank Christ for that
I don't think any smoker ever puffed smoke in someone's face deliberately, except the bad cops in '70's TV! However, every time I get out of a train station or airport I have to wade through concentrated smoke without having any choice in the matter. It doesn't bother me so much when I'm on my own, however when I'm with my daughter and she's coughing through it and covering her face as we go out of the station I think it's kinda sad..... "
I don’t think you’re allowed to smoke in stations up here, in honesty it’s been a few years since I’ve been in a train station but even then I waited to get outside the grounds before I light up but that’s coming from a background of oil companies where you cannot smoke on the property which is fair enough
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The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking.
Am I the only smoker who buggers off round the corner away from groups of non smokers then?
No you are not
Thank Christ for that
I don't think any smoker ever puffed smoke in someone's face deliberately, except the bad cops in '70's TV! However, every time I get out of a train station or airport I have to wade through concentrated smoke without having any choice in the matter. It doesn't bother me so much when I'm on my own, however when I'm with my daughter and she's coughing through it and covering her face as we go out of the station I think it's kinda sad.....
That is down to individuals not paying any attention to where they are allowed to smoke.
They're smokers though right? Not necessarily you or anyone else in this thread, but they are real people, real smokers....... "
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"I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine "
Except, your talking bollox!
Why does my health have to be compromised because you choose to damage your own by smoking? I'm talking passive smoking. |
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"I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
Except, your talking bollox!
Why does my health have to be compromised because you choose to damage your own by smoking? I'm talking passive smoking. "
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"Over eating and drinking are activities that, health wise, only directly affect the person doing it. Smokers inflict damage on people around them.
I don't smoke but I've yet to see a smoker get into a car and kill innocent people cause they'd had a cigarette, nor am I aware of a partner or children being physically or verbally abused because the person had a cigarette.
I know of those who have suffered this because of alcohol though so yeah, drinking most certainly does affect others. "
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"Ah here’s the list of do gooders who want to stop myself and others smoking, it’s our choice not yours
I think they're mostly quite happy for you to do what you like if you pick up the bill, innit....
Yeah and we don't want to breathe in your smoke, so we don't really have a choice do we.
I really don’t want to have to deal with d*unks who can’t handle their alcohol but.. we don’t really have a choice do we?
We're hear to talk about your habit not other people's. Your defense is that other people do worse things, that's a piss poor argument.
My argument is there’s far worse things out there than cigarettes, it’s called live and let live someone will always find something worse
I don’t dictate what someone puts in their body I don’t expect folk to dictate what I put in mine
The bit you don't seem to grasp is passive smoking.
Am I the only smoker who buggers off round the corner away from groups of non smokers then?
No you are not
Thank Christ for that
There is such a thing as a considerate smoker "
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