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So, Ladies and Gents - how honest are we/you? :-)
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Hello my lovelies.
Most people who read the forums regularly or glance at profiles regularly will be aware that thanks to the bloody menopause I’ve gained a couple of stones.
Whilst most of my public pics are older/slimmer ones I’ve included in friends (and one temporally public) a few very recent ‘warts an all’ unfiltered, Un-photoshopped pics which, it has to be said, are most unflattering.
Whilst I’m aware some will still want to get jiggy with me, some obviously won’t, and had I not been so honest I could probably ‘trade’ off my older, slimmer, younger pictures and meet guys who might not fancy the ‘real’ me!
Also - being honest has just got me informed I look at least 61 by a charming silhouette who messaged me!
So - bearing in mind the potentially negative outcomes - how honest are you when it comes to your pictures? Are they flattering older pics? Totally ‘warts and all’ pics? Or a combination of all like mine?
And what makes you select the pics you use on your profile?
Huge hugs
Peachy |
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over a year ago
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Our pics show us, you can clearly see what our bodies look like and we have recent face pics in our friends only gallery.
No point hiding anything, they'll see when they meet us...besides, we think we look pretty decent |
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Good question peachy. Id like to think mine are a decent representation of my current form!
Im fortunate enough that the onky real changes ive had the last 2 yeara is shaving my head and weight fluxuation up and down over no more than about 10lbs |
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"Our pics show us, you can clearly see what our bodies look like and we have recent face pics in our friends only gallery.
No point hiding anything, they'll see when they meet us...besides, we think we look pretty decent "
Very decent... but i bet those cinnamon swirls are a bit stale now |
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Aside from use of shadows and tints I am who I am, skinny, shaven headed (slap head) ugly fella. Of course I try my best with pictures but i try not make too much of who I am, I cannot bear the crushing disappointment of the viewer. |
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over a year ago
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Mine are all recent, but I usually miss my stomach out. That IS in friends pics though.
I don't see the point in smoke and mirrors for women, men will shag anything anyway. |
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Mine are honest in that they are me and recent. However I obviously choose photos that are flattering.
I don't think that's deception. I think everyone does that.
I've not yet met anyone who has run away scared so it must be ok.
That said I'm currently in my pj's rocking yesterday's hair and make up, eating ice cream from the tub. It's not a look I'd share! |
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"Our pics show us, you can clearly see what our bodies look like and we have recent face pics in our friends only gallery.
No point hiding anything, they'll see when they meet us...besides, we think we look pretty decent
Very decent... but i bet those cinnamon swirls are a bit stale now "
Oh they're long gone
My tits are basically the same tho...still as tasty so J tells me |
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"Mine are all recent, but I usually miss my stomach out. That IS in friends pics though.
I don't see the point in smoke and mirrors for women, men will shag anything anyway. "
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"If I post a picture I've probably taken it within the last day or two. I'll take a few and post the best one mind you.
Your newest picture is lovely op. "
Thanks. Just wanted to be blatantly honest. I do like a lot of your pics! |
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"Mine are honest in that they are me and recent. However I obviously choose photos that are flattering.
I don't think that's deception. I think everyone does that.
I've not yet met anyone who has run away scared so it must be ok.
That said I'm currently in my pj's rocking yesterday's hair and make up, eating ice cream from the tub. It's not a look I'd share! "
Agreed - few of us would post a pic we thought was particularly unflattering - though I was shocked at the eye bags in my latest pics.
Time to start a go fund me for cosmetic surgery! |
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Our profile reflects us I think!
Also we have pictures from over a year ago where I am alot slimmer than what I am now. The pictures we take now are a true representation of what we look like today. I'm still the same person just chubbier..!
Jo.Xx |
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You look great in your latest picture
My most recent are about a week old. They're a fair representation but I won't allow any that I think are unflattering, I'm not daft .
Mr N's are a bit older I must take some more of him actually.
I get messages saying I could pass for a woman in her 30's, that's as unrealistic as the person who said you look 61. You look gorgeous. You make me laugh, which I know isn't much consolation but... |
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"You look great in your latest picture
My most recent are about a week old. They're a fair representation but I won't allow any that I think are unflattering, I'm not daft .
Mr N's are a bit older I must take some more of him actually.
I get messages saying I could pass for a woman in her 30's, that's as unrealistic as the person who said you look 61. You look gorgeous. You make me laugh, which I know isn't much consolation but... "
Well I got my own back - he was 41 in his profile but I told him his silhouette looked 81!
And thank you - I think you come across as really nice too! |
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Im not going to lie, a few of mine have been smoothed over as they're often taken in a bad light or have other things that need cropping out but there are also some warts and all pics on my profile too.
I've never liked having my photo taken and still don't to this day so it feels awkward and shows too.
Thankfully in person im told my pics dont show me off in the best light either so I take some solace for that and never have I been told I look my age either, always younger. Now that could be blowing smoke up my arse or it could be true. Whatever it is, im thankful for those who have taken me as i am and im glad i can call many of the lovely people on fab my friends x |
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By *ookie46Woman
over a year ago
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Mine are all a true representation of who I am.
Thick thighs, a mummy tummy and a size 14/16 depending where I shop. I don’t use filters on any of my pics wether that be body or face but I do take them from the best angle possible
The last couple of days I’ve had a few unkind messages such as you’re vile and why are your nipples so disgusting but I never let them bother me. I’m happy in my own skin and like to think I’m a pretty decent person |
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"Mine are all a true representation of who I am.
Thick thighs, a mummy tummy and a size 14/16 depending where I shop. I don’t use filters on any of my pics wether that be body or face but I do take them from the best angle possible
The last couple of days I’ve had a few unkind messages such as you’re vile and why are your nipples so disgusting but I never let them bother me. I’m happy in my own skin and like to think I’m a pretty decent person "
Sorry to hear that my lovely. You definitely don’t deserve any negativity - you’re bloody lovely! Xx |
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"Im not going to lie, a few of mine have been smoothed over as they're often taken in a bad light or have other things that need cropping out but there are also some warts and all pics on my profile too.
I've never liked having my photo taken and still don't to this day so it feels awkward and shows too.
Thankfully in person im told my pics dont show me off in the best light either so I take some solace for that and never have I been told I look my age either, always younger. Now that could be blowing smoke up my arse or it could be true. Whatever it is, im thankful for those who have taken me as i am and im glad i can call many of the lovely people on fab my friends x"
I do like a lot of your pics - they’re lovely! |
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We love a good black and white shot here and there, something very alluring about the contrast. But other than that, we'd prefer to see the real person over the photoshopped version any day of the week. We prefer to dress up in our pics than be naked, but that's more to do with the fact that we like to tease rather than hiding flaws
You look great OP, don't worry about being perfect. It's waaaaay overrated lol |
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"Mine are all a true representation of who I am.
Thick thighs, a mummy tummy and a size 14/16 depending where I shop. I don’t use filters on any of my pics wether that be body or face but I do take them from the best angle possible
The last couple of days I’ve had a few unkind messages such as you’re vile and why are your nipples so disgusting but I never let them bother me. I’m happy in my own skin and like to think I’m a pretty decent person "
There are some right prats on here, we’ve had a few messages like that. I don’t know what they get out of it, surely if they’re not interested then why do they waste their own time to message insults. Your nipples look magnificent. |
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I try and post full length mirror pics so people can see I’m fat. The full length black one is from 2 weekends ago so up to date. Face photos are a mix but I always suggest webcamming or sending a video unfiltered before a new meet so they can see exactly what I look like. I personally think I look better on photos |
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"Mine are all a true representation of who I am.
Thick thighs, a mummy tummy and a size 14/16 depending where I shop. I don’t use filters on any of my pics wether that be body or face but I do take them from the best angle possible
The last couple of days I’ve had a few unkind messages such as you’re vile and why are your nipples so disgusting but I never let them bother me. I’m happy in my own skin and like to think I’m a pretty decent person "
I think your photos are great. As for the unkind comments....personally I think the posters who sent them to you should be kicked off...a bit extreme I know but there are thousands of people on here...someone for everyone. If you look at a profile and have those thoughts then simply move along ffs...absolutely no need to be so rude let alone the damage such a comment could do to someone’s self esteem. Flame xx |
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my photos were taken in last month. Not filtered so true reflection of me
I've battled hard since January to lose medication/menopause weight. Was tough at 1 lb a week loss
You look fantastic, we are always our worst critic x |
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Any new photo has been took that day or the previous week so is totally me at that moment.
Photos don’t wobble so I have a few videos that occasionally come out that show the wobble and the hidden belly ridge.
We are who we are, just love yourselves |
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"Mine are all a true representation of who I am.
Thick thighs, a mummy tummy and a size 14/16 depending where I shop. I don’t use filters on any of my pics wether that be body or face but I do take them from the best angle possible
The last couple of days I’ve had a few unkind messages such as you’re vile and why are your nipples so disgusting but I never let them bother me. I’m happy in my own skin and like to think I’m a pretty decent person "
You are a good soul and a beautiful person, those individuals don’t deserve your time as they are shallow twats abd I’m being polite |
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By * Lexi xWoman
over a year ago
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NONE of my pics are photoshopped or filtered.
I really don’t like it when people do this as all it makes me think they have something to hide.
My profile pic was taken last night. 100% me. Was just before a 3 hour cam season with my bf.
Peachy...... you don’t look like you have put on weight to me. Look as glamourpuss as always.
Plus you can say if I look like my pics or not |
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By * Lexi xWoman
over a year ago
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"Mine are all a true representation of who I am.
Thick thighs, a mummy tummy and a size 14/16 depending where I shop. I don’t use filters on any of my pics wether that be body or face but I do take them from the best angle possible
The last couple of days I’ve had a few unkind messages such as you’re vile and why are your nipples so disgusting but I never let them bother me. I’m happy in my own skin and like to think I’m a pretty decent person "
What the actual fuck???
You are the sweetest kindest beautiful person. There are so many nasty fuckers on here.
Ignore and delete. |
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I have a couple of old pics in my friends list, but that's just because I thought they were good pics, and liked what I was wearing. Only time I use a filter, is when I go black & white, not sure that's the same though. |
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By *ookie46Woman
over a year ago
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"Mine are all a true representation of who I am.
Thick thighs, a mummy tummy and a size 14/16 depending where I shop. I don’t use filters on any of my pics wether that be body or face but I do take them from the best angle possible
The last couple of days I’ve had a few unkind messages such as you’re vile and why are your nipples so disgusting but I never let them bother me. I’m happy in my own skin and like to think I’m a pretty decent person
What the actual fuck???
You are the sweetest kindest beautiful person. There are so many nasty fuckers on here.
Ignore and delete. "
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I personally pick ones that I feel good about and obviously flattering angles but I make sure there’s also one or two up to date ones especially after lockdown to show my slightly curvier curves
They’re going to see them eventually anyway |
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Mine are a mix of a years timeline that I keep on friends folder, public purely depends on what forum game or mood I am In, to what I show.
Apart from my standard star wars pants pic the public ones are current funny parts of me, because I'm not hunting at the mo x |
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"Hello my lovelies.
Most people who read the forums regularly or glance at profiles regularly will be aware that thanks to the bloody menopause I’ve gained a couple of stones.
Whilst most of my public pics are older/slimmer ones I’ve included in friends (and one temporally public) a few very recent ‘warts an all’ unfiltered, Un-photoshopped pics which, it has to be said, are most unflattering.
Whilst I’m aware some will still want to get jiggy with me, some obviously won’t, and had I not been so honest I could probably ‘trade’ off my older, slimmer, younger pictures and meet guys who might not fancy the ‘real’ me!
Also - being honest has just got me informed I look at least 61 by a charming silhouette who messaged me!
So - bearing in mind the potentially negative outcomes - how honest are you when it comes to your pictures? Are they flattering older pics? Totally ‘warts and all’ pics? Or a combination of all like mine?
And what makes you select the pics you use on your profile?
Huge hugs
Peachy "
Mine are just a few weeks old ..no point in trying to be someone you're not...only fooling yourself |
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My profile is about four years old but I'm told I don't look any older and I'm crap at taking selfies! My friends only are from last year. I'm always happy to provide an up to date photo if requested. |
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I can honestly say im totally honest about everything I put in my profile from my write up to my pics..The pics are all recent.Ranging from today,to last week and a few weeks ago. I have one older pic on which is 3 months old.. |
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Only showing my face at the mo but those pics are very recent. I’ve put on a good stone and feel a bit crappy so won’t use older pics where I might have looked slimmer. Enough people have met me in person to know whether my pics are a fair reflection or not. So I’m happy for people to judge in person x |
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My latest pics are recent and not altered in anyway. I try to pick the best angles but do have a couple that are warts and all. Though I don’t do the bra off and show my saggy boobs.
And I think you still look gorgeous peachy. X |
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"Im not going to lie, a few of mine have been smoothed over as they're often taken in a bad light or have other things that need cropping out but there are also some warts and all pics on my profile too.
I've never liked having my photo taken and still don't to this day so it feels awkward and shows too.
Thankfully in person im told my pics dont show me off in the best light either so I take some solace for that and never have I been told I look my age either, always younger. Now that could be blowing smoke up my arse or it could be true. Whatever it is, im thankful for those who have taken me as i am and im glad i can call many of the lovely people on fab my friends x"
You're a beaut in real life!
Think ours are fairly accurate... good angles help, some black and white filters or artsy, but not deceptive.... no point polishing a turd! |
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"I can honestly say im totally honest about everything I put in my profile from my write up to my pics..The pics are all recent.Ranging from today,to last week and a few weeks ago. I have one older pic on which is 3 months old.."
Looking very sexy to Mrs |
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We will always send recent face pics when we get chatting with someone, we like to think our pics are a true representation of us. If we ever come across a situation where someone likes or pics but don't like what they see when we meet then cool no probs, that's there opinion and fair enough |
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I have a mixture up, I have older ones up that I like. Also have some taken in the last few weeks. No filters or photoshop, just a border thrown on to hide background items sometimes and a watermark. They are me |
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My pictures are clearly filtered and edited, but I think that's ok because I don't lie about it in my bio (in fact I'm outright and open about it) and I also post public videos which are unedited and very much show the real me and my body in full.
I'll also send several live pics and videos to any guy I'm considering meeting via Snapchat so he can see me again, to make his mind up.
If guys can't be bothered to read my bio, that's really not my problem.
If after all of that I'm still considered to be wrong for filtering my pics, then I still don't care, cos I do this for me |
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"Hello my lovelies.
Most people who read the forums regularly or glance at profiles regularly will be aware that thanks to the bloody menopause I’ve gained a couple of stones.
Whilst most of my public pics are older/slimmer ones I’ve included in friends (and one temporally public) a few very recent ‘warts an all’ unfiltered, Un-photoshopped pics which, it has to be said, are most unflattering.
Whilst I’m aware some will still want to get jiggy with me, some obviously won’t, and had I not been so honest I could probably ‘trade’ off my older, slimmer, younger pictures and meet guys who might not fancy the ‘real’ me!
Also - being honest has just got me informed I look at least 61 by a charming silhouette who messaged me!
So - bearing in mind the potentially negative outcomes - how honest are you when it comes to your pictures? Are they flattering older pics? Totally ‘warts and all’ pics? Or a combination of all like mine?
And what makes you select the pics you use on your profile?
Huge hugs
Peachy "
I do try to use flattering angles and lighting, but I draw the line at Photoshop or filters. My pics show the real me, as evidenced by the quite obvious lockdown chub I'm sporting on the most recent ones! |
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I’ve never actually shown my body on here so because of this post peachy... I’ve updated my pics and most are unfiltered. I can’t visibly see if you have added a few more curves but you’re lovely how ever you are, inside and out x |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Hello my lovelies.
Most people who read the forums regularly or glance at profiles regularly will be aware that thanks to the bloody menopause I’ve gained a couple of stones.
Whilst most of my public pics are older/slimmer ones I’ve included in friends (and one temporally public) a few very recent ‘warts an all’ unfiltered, Un-photoshopped pics which, it has to be said, are most unflattering.
Whilst I’m aware some will still want to get jiggy with me, some obviously won’t, and had I not been so honest I could probably ‘trade’ off my older, slimmer, younger pictures and meet guys who might not fancy the ‘real’ me!
Also - being honest has just got me informed I look at least 61 by a charming silhouette who messaged me!
So - bearing in mind the potentially negative outcomes - how honest are you when it comes to your pictures? Are they flattering older pics? Totally ‘warts and all’ pics? Or a combination of all like mine?
And what makes you select the pics you use on your profile?
Huge hugs
Peachy
I do try to use flattering angles and lighting, but I draw the line at Photoshop or filters. My pics show the real me, as evidenced by the quite obvious lockdown chub I'm sporting on the most recent ones! "
I'd still have a good grope! |
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"Hello my lovelies.
Most people who read the forums regularly or glance at profiles regularly will be aware that thanks to the bloody menopause I’ve gained a couple of stones.
Whilst most of my public pics are older/slimmer ones I’ve included in friends (and one temporally public) a few very recent ‘warts an all’ unfiltered, Un-photoshopped pics which, it has to be said, are most unflattering.
Whilst I’m aware some will still want to get jiggy with me, some obviously won’t, and had I not been so honest I could probably ‘trade’ off my older, slimmer, younger pictures and meet guys who might not fancy the ‘real’ me!
Also - being honest has just got me informed I look at least 61 by a charming silhouette who messaged me!
So - bearing in mind the potentially negative outcomes - how honest are you when it comes to your pictures? Are they flattering older pics? Totally ‘warts and all’ pics? Or a combination of all like mine?
And what makes you select the pics you use on your profile?
Huge hugs
Peachy
I do try to use flattering angles and lighting, but I draw the line at Photoshop or filters. My pics show the real me, as evidenced by the quite obvious lockdown chub I'm sporting on the most recent ones!
I'd still have a good grope! "
Result! |
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I never ever edit my body shape, I just know how to pose and light my photos well, and obviously I take them from a flattering angle. Basically I show my best side. But they're all recent and I upload new ones regularly.
I also have some totally raw, unposed, badly lit photos which are set to friends only, so people can see all sides of me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hello my lovelies.
Most people who read the forums regularly or glance at profiles regularly will be aware that thanks to the bloody menopause I’ve gained a couple of stones.
Whilst most of my public pics are older/slimmer ones I’ve included in friends (and one temporally public) a few very recent ‘warts an all’ unfiltered, Un-photoshopped pics which, it has to be said, are most unflattering.
Whilst I’m aware some will still want to get jiggy with me, some obviously won’t, and had I not been so honest I could probably ‘trade’ off my older, slimmer, younger pictures and meet guys who might not fancy the ‘real’ me!
Also - being honest has just got me informed I look at least 61 by a charming silhouette who messaged me!
So - bearing in mind the potentially negative outcomes - how honest are you when it comes to your pictures? Are they flattering older pics? Totally ‘warts and all’ pics? Or a combination of all like mine?
And what makes you select the pics you use on your profile?
Huge hugs
Peachy "
What are you talking about. You are being way too harsh on yourself. You look gorgeous.
Out of interest, do people really photoshop their pics on here? For me, what you see is what you get. You'll get caught out eventually. |
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By *viatrixWoman
over a year ago
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I did media studies, so am good at taking photos.
There is definitely a visible change between my first photo in 2018 and the last few 2-3 weeks ago... about 1 1/2 stone. I do tell people that I’ve put on some weight during lockdown... doesn’t seem to bother anyone really! but I’d never mislead anyone with my photos. I’ve had that done to me and it’s not pleasant. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Out of interest, do people really photoshop their pics on here? For me, what you see is what you get. You'll get caught out eventually."
Yeah, you can usually tell when they have no visible pores or blemishes in their skin and all their door frames are curved |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"On my profile what you see is what you get
No fuss, no drama and a moderate sized pecker
Not heard the term pecker for a while! Thanks for the afternoon smile "
You are welcome
I am just having a laugh, i agree it is a funny word lol |
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"I’ve never actually shown my body on here so because of this post peachy... I’ve updated my pics and most are unfiltered. I can’t visibly see if you have added a few more curves but you’re lovely how ever you are, inside and out x
Aw thank you lovely - most kind! I like your new pics - and I’m still plenty of others will too! "
Tou have a great body peachy |
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"Hello my lovelies.
Most people who read the forums regularly or glance at profiles regularly will be aware that thanks to the bloody menopause I’ve gained a couple of stones.
Whilst most of my public pics are older/slimmer ones I’ve included in friends (and one temporally public) a few very recent ‘warts an all’ unfiltered, Un-photoshopped pics which, it has to be said, are most unflattering.
Whilst I’m aware some will still want to get jiggy with me, some obviously won’t, and had I not been so honest I could probably ‘trade’ off my older, slimmer, younger pictures and meet guys who might not fancy the ‘real’ me!
Also - being honest has just got me informed I look at least 61 by a charming silhouette who messaged me!
So - bearing in mind the potentially negative outcomes - how honest are you when it comes to your pictures? Are they flattering older pics? Totally ‘warts and all’ pics? Or a combination of all like mine?
And what makes you select the pics you use on your profile?
Huge hugs
Peachy
I do try to use flattering angles and lighting, but I draw the line at Photoshop or filters. My pics show the real me, as evidenced by the quite obvious lockdown chub I'm sporting on the most recent ones! "
You’ve always struck me as the sort of person that people would meet for YOU - the all round person who comes across really well - rather than a particular physical attribute.
That’s what/who I try to be too - but I’m aware I don’t always succeed. Xxx |
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"I take mine on a daily basis so that's how I look I used to worry but not any more if people dont like then so b it! And u look lovely ! X"
Thanks lovely. You’re clearly a confident woman who’s comfortable in her own skin - and that’s sexy in itself! |
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I like to give a fairly honest picture. I don't show my stomach because nobody deserves to stumble across that when they're just trying to see some tits , but there are some full length photos that clearly show my size.
I'm here to meet (when covid allows), and I've never thought that crushing disappointment over being catfished is a great start to a social.
Yes the photos are mostly flattering angles/cropped (and one in my friends photos is ancient but was uploaded for a reason), but I think I'm recognizably the same person.
If I was going to get catfishy I wouldn't use the photos I've got up, I'd at least use pics of someone with a much more attractive figure |
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"As a few others have said,
I take a picture there and then to upload.... but its also the best one out of 30 attempts... everyone wants to look their best surely??"
Exactly the same here, some edited to black and white but no editing of us x |
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Ours are all taken this calendar year. S is incapable of gaining weight, so his weight will be the same forever. He has maybe acquired a few more grey hairs recently
My pics show the reality, I just choose to avoid photographing my jiggly belly too much |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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Ours are fairly accurate , we update them regularly. We’ve had a few surprises when meeting tbh but none of that matters much , a bit of insecurity is forgivable - if the person has a nice spiritual they are good for us |
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Out of interest, do people really photoshop their pics on here? For me, what you see is what you get. You'll get caught out eventually. "
Yes I do. At least I admit it! |
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We don't photoshop. We've converted some to B&W and use cropping, usually to get rid of some crud in the background! I have used some "vintage" type filters, if it worked for the image for forum challenge pictures (which have labels on). There's also one Easter pic where I put silly pics on my nipples, but that was for fun, not to obscure what they look like (there are nipple pics on there too). |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I just google hot guy and posted that as my profile pic. The real me is a white cartoon dog that speaks and goes on adventures with a really clever baby but no one would ever believe that so I'm forced to lie. |
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To photoshop:
verb (used with object), Pho·to·shopped, Pho·to·shop·ping.
(often lowercase) to digitally alter (a photograph or other graphic) using image-editing software such as Photoshop.
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We keep ours extremely honest. Don't really see the point in posting untrue images of ourselves if we want to meet people. I'd hate to get all the way to a meet then that person not be attracted to me.
Honesty is something we value a lot so if someone were to mislead us with their photos we wouldn't be happy at all.
It's actually happened to us in the past and it was disappointing and unnecessarily awkward.
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