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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Life's not really fair is it....
....but think, if it was then would you be motivated to do anything at all....?
What do you think? 
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I see your point, but I think the logic is flawed.
Just because life’s fair doesn’t mean you get everything you want; you could still have to work for it, with the fair element being that you’d actually achieve your goals. |
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By *eliWoman
over a year ago
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Yes I think so. My motivation doesn't come from striving for fairness for all, it's something I'm interested in sure. But even if things were on a level playing field, I'd still strive to better myself, to do the things that make me and those I care about happy.
I think that some things should be more fair - someone's life is as valid as important as another and I know that I'm lucky to have another comfortable life in many regards. It's a shame that the potential of that can't even begin to be afforded to some (I recently watched a really interesting take on a life not lived and what it could have been if not for a racist attack and I think that's flavoured my response). |
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Life isn't fair but we have two choices as I see it. One to see the unfairness and do nothing and live in a pit of despair or take it learn form it and move on.
Is it fair I had an abusive childhood, no I didn't do anything wrong. Has it spurred me on to be what I am today and give my own kids a better life absolutely. I am who I am now due to the unfairness of life and I wouldn't change me as a person |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If it was fair then it would be a huge motivation.
To me fairness means that if you are kind, decent and work hard you will be rewarded for it. "
So we should forget the lazy, leave them behind, different buses and shiz? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I see your point, but I think the logic is flawed.
Just because life’s fair doesn’t mean you get everything you want; you could still have to work for it, with the fair element being that you’d actually achieve your goals. "
What if you worked really hard but your partner hung on your coat tails? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Unless you're very fortunate in life life can be a pain in the backside you've just got to live your life to the max and do things what you want to do in your life. Just be glad that you're healthy |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Tame is fair.
The moose bloke? I actually liked him! (just in case he's lurking)  
I like Tame "
It's MY thread! Tell ppl you like me! It's not fair.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Yes I think so. My motivation doesn't come from striving for fairness for all, it's something I'm interested in sure. But even if things were on a level playing field, I'd still strive to better myself, to do the things that make me and those I care about happy.
I think that some things should be more fair - someone's life is as valid as important as another and I know that I'm lucky to have another comfortable life in many regards. It's a shame that the potential of that can't even begin to be afforded to some (I recently watched a really interesting take on a life not lived and what it could have been if not for a racist attack and I think that's flavoured my response)."
Shouldn't ppl be allowed to be a bit rubbish though, wouldn't that be fair? |
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"I see your point, but I think the logic is flawed.
Just because life’s fair doesn’t mean you get everything you want; you could still have to work for it, with the fair element being that you’d actually achieve your goals.
What if you worked really hard but your partner hung on your coat tails?"
Well then that wouldn’t be fair, and your utopian world ceases to exist. In the proposed world, everything is fair - if they’re riding on your coat tails then they must be contributing in some way that it is fair.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Life isn't fair but we have two choices as I see it. One to see the unfairness and do nothing and live in a pit of despair or take it learn form it and move on.
Is it fair I had an abusive childhood, no I didn't do anything wrong. Has it spurred me on to be what I am today and give my own kids a better life absolutely. I am who I am now due to the unfairness of life and I wouldn't change me as a person "
Not to undermine the awfulness of your experiences, because you know I'm your bestie, but when you reach fairness, when we all have what we need in equal measure? What's to achieve then?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Tame is fair.
The moose bloke? I actually liked him! (just in case he's lurking)
I like Tame
It's MY thread! Tell ppl you like me! It's not fair...."
So demanding  |
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
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"If it was fair then it would be a huge motivation.
To me fairness means that if you are kind, decent and work hard you will be rewarded for it.
So we should forget the lazy, leave them behind, different buses and shiz?"
If life was fair we’d all have identical dna and be brought up in exactly the same environment with the same gender, sexuality and skin colour (or into a society that didn’t discriminate on those issues).
But because there is variety in all of those factors then life isn’t fair. But it is a lot more interesting as a result. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Unless you're very fortunate in life life can be a pain in the backside you've just got to live your life to the max and do things what you want to do in your life. Just be glad that you're healthy"
Right answer! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Life is not fair but life can be easy for some and cruel to others which is very unfair."
But why do we strive to be at the top? What's there? When you can make a thread and complete it in an hour - what's to be jealous of....? |
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"Life isn't fair but we have two choices as I see it. One to see the unfairness and do nothing and live in a pit of despair or take it learn form it and move on.
Is it fair I had an abusive childhood, no I didn't do anything wrong. Has it spurred me on to be what I am today and give my own kids a better life absolutely. I am who I am now due to the unfairness of life and I wouldn't change me as a person
Not to undermine the awfulness of your experiences, because you know I'm your bestie, but when you reach fairness, when we all have what we need in equal measure? What's to achieve then?
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But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other. |
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"If it was fair then it would be a huge motivation.
To me fairness means that if you are kind, decent and work hard you will be rewarded for it.
So we should forget the lazy, leave them behind, different buses and shiz?
If life was fair we’d all have identical dna and be brought up in exactly the same environment with the same gender, sexuality and skin colour (or into a society that didn’t discriminate on those issues).
But because there is variety in all of those factors then life isn’t fair. But it is a lot more interesting as a result. "
Agreed
Fairness for me is equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcome
Why would we all want to be the same lol
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Live is what you make it..... fair or not sometimes"
Good answer! I believe it's best to focus on yourself, not others, because someone always appears to have more.... |
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By *eliWoman
over a year ago
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"Yes I think so. My motivation doesn't come from striving for fairness for all, it's something I'm interested in sure. But even if things were on a level playing field, I'd still strive to better myself, to do the things that make me and those I care about happy.
I think that some things should be more fair - someone's life is as valid as important as another and I know that I'm lucky to have another comfortable life in many regards. It's a shame that the potential of that can't even begin to be afforded to some (I recently watched a really interesting take on a life not lived and what it could have been if not for a racist attack and I think that's flavoured my response).
Shouldn't ppl be allowed to be a bit rubbish though, wouldn't that be fair?"
You and I are talking about different things. I think being recognised for effort/talent is "fair". I don't think discrimination is fair, even if it motivates one to strive more. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Tame is fair.
The moose bloke? I actually liked him! (just in case he's lurking)
I like Tame
It's MY thread! Tell ppl you like me! It's not fair....
So demanding "
So evasive! I paid you the bestest compliment the other day! It's not fair.... |
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"If it was fair then it would be a huge motivation.
To me fairness means that if you are kind, decent and work hard you will be rewarded for it. "
That is such a well burst bubble for most workers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Tame is fair.
The moose bloke? I actually liked him! (just in case he's lurking)
I like Tame
It's MY thread! Tell ppl you like me! It's not fair....
So demanding
So evasive! I paid you the bestest compliment the other day! It's not fair.... "
What did you say? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If it was fair then it would be a huge motivation.
To me fairness means that if you are kind, decent and work hard you will be rewarded for it.
So we should forget the lazy, leave them behind, different buses and shiz?
If life was fair we’d all have identical dna and be brought up in exactly the same environment with the same gender, sexuality and skin colour (or into a society that didn’t discriminate on those issues).
But because there is variety in all of those factors then life isn’t fair. But it is a lot more interesting as a result. "
Exactly!
We should celebrate difference! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Life isn't fair but we have two choices as I see it. One to see the unfairness and do nothing and live in a pit of despair or take it learn form it and move on.
Is it fair I had an abusive childhood, no I didn't do anything wrong. Has it spurred me on to be what I am today and give my own kids a better life absolutely. I am who I am now due to the unfairness of life and I wouldn't change me as a person
Not to undermine the awfulness of your experiences, because you know I'm your bestie, but when you reach fairness, when we all have what we need in equal measure? What's to achieve then?
But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other. "
I agree, humans just aren't fair! We just pretend to be, innit..... |
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"But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other. "
I could be wrong, but I think Nippy’s question is hypothetical, philosophical. That if - in an idealistic, utopian world - everything was absolutely fair, would there be any reason to bother doing anything. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If it was fair then it would be a huge motivation.
To me fairness means that if you are kind, decent and work hard you will be rewarded for it.
So we should forget the lazy, leave them behind, different buses and shiz?
If life was fair we’d all have identical dna and be brought up in exactly the same environment with the same gender, sexuality and skin colour (or into a society that didn’t discriminate on those issues).
But because there is variety in all of those factors then life isn’t fair. But it is a lot more interesting as a result.
Agreed
Fairness for me is equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcome
Why would we all want to be the same lol
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Indeed! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It’s like this you see. You’re born, you keep your head down, and then you die. If you’re lucky!
No. Hold your head up and get it shot at . It's the only way to grow."
Hold others heads up too, show them the way and a few bullets....  |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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Bringing more boobs for you.
Life isn't fair. Life throws all kinds of evil crap at you when you're not looking, and sometimes when you are it carries on. And that goes for people as well as the universe.
If life were fair then good people would get good things and bad people would get bad things. But it's about attitude. People who care and have feelings will tend to have more of a hard time because they feel the unfair crap whereas people who don't just don't.
Basically life sucks and then you die. But you can find the joy and fun and happiness if you look for it as well. Just don't let the fuckers who want to ruin it get you down or get in between you and someone you love.
You may need a translator for that one.
Also. Have boobs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I treat everyone the same in life in order to be fair regardless of their skin colour, gender or sexual orientation. However, when/if they fuck up I also get rid of them all in the same way. Is that fair? Yes Nippy I believe it is |
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"Life isn't fair but we have two choices as I see it. One to see the unfairness and do nothing and live in a pit of despair or take it learn form it and move on.
Is it fair I had an abusive childhood, no I didn't do anything wrong. Has it spurred me on to be what I am today and give my own kids a better life absolutely. I am who I am now due to the unfairness of life and I wouldn't change me as a person
Not to undermine the awfulness of your experiences, because you know I'm your bestie, but when you reach fairness, when we all have what we need in equal measure? What's to achieve then?
But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other.
I agree, humans just aren't fair! We just pretend to be, innit....."
As a species no, plus we have a tendency of seeing things as being unfair when they are not. Life is what you make of it, seeing that you've been dealt what you perceive as an unfair hand in life, just hinders your own progress through it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If it was fair then it would be a huge motivation.
To me fairness means that if you are kind, decent and work hard you will be rewarded for it.
So we should forget the lazy, leave them behind, different buses and shiz?
If life was fair we’d all have identical dna and be brought up in exactly the same environment with the same gender, sexuality and skin colour (or into a society that didn’t discriminate on those issues).
But because there is variety in all of those factors then life isn’t fair. But it is a lot more interesting as a result.
Agreed
Fairness for me is equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcome
Why would we all want to be the same lol
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‘Fairness for me is equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcome’
Someone has been watching Jordan Peterson |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Yes I think so. My motivation doesn't come from striving for fairness for all, it's something I'm interested in sure. But even if things were on a level playing field, I'd still strive to better myself, to do the things that make me and those I care about happy.
I think that some things should be more fair - someone's life is as valid as important as another and I know that I'm lucky to have another comfortable life in many regards. It's a shame that the potential of that can't even begin to be afforded to some (I recently watched a really interesting take on a life not lived and what it could have been if not for a racist attack and I think that's flavoured my response).
Shouldn't ppl be allowed to be a bit rubbish though, wouldn't that be fair?
You and I are talking about different things. I think being recognised for effort/talent is "fair". I don't think discrimination is fair, even if it motivates one to strive more."
Ok, but what if one person at work washes dishes better and say does 8 plates per minute when their colleague dies just 6 plates per minute. But they are both doing a shit job and spending the same time doing something which takes them away from their families etc. Should they get paid the same? Is that fair? Is it fair the the 8 plate person lives alone but the 6 plater is supporting a family also on that wage....?
So much unfairness! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If it was fair then it would be a huge motivation.
To me fairness means that if you are kind, decent and work hard you will be rewarded for it.
That is such a well burst bubble for most workers. "
Aye |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Tame is fair.
The moose bloke? I actually liked him! (just in case he's lurking)
I like Tame
It's MY thread! Tell ppl you like me! It's not fair....
So demanding
So evasive! I paid you the bestest compliment the other day! It's not fair....
What did you say? "
I said you were every man's fantasy! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes I think so. My motivation doesn't come from striving for fairness for all, it's something I'm interested in sure. But even if things were on a level playing field, I'd still strive to better myself, to do the things that make me and those I care about happy.
I think that some things should be more fair - someone's life is as valid as important as another and I know that I'm lucky to have another comfortable life in many regards. It's a shame that the potential of that can't even begin to be afforded to some (I recently watched a really interesting take **** on a life not lived and what it could have been if not for a racist attack and I think that's flavoured my response)."
**** Can you remember what that was? Sounds interesting. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Bringing more boobs for you.
Life isn't fair. Life throws all kinds of evil crap at you when you're not looking, and sometimes when you are it carries on. And that goes for people as well as the universe.
If life were fair then good people would get good things and bad people would get bad things. But it's about attitude. People who care and have feelings will tend to have more of a hard time because they feel the unfair crap whereas people who don't just don't.
Basically life sucks and then you die. But you can find the joy and fun and happiness if you look for it as well. Just don't let the fuckers who want to ruin it get you down or get in between you and someone you love.
You may need a translator for that one.
Also. Have boobs. "
Disease and health isn't fair.... 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Life isn't fair but we have two choices as I see it. One to see the unfairness and do nothing and live in a pit of despair or take it learn form it and move on.
Is it fair I had an abusive childhood, no I didn't do anything wrong. Has it spurred me on to be what I am today and give my own kids a better life absolutely. I am who I am now due to the unfairness of life and I wouldn't change me as a person
Not to undermine the awfulness of your experiences, because you know I'm your bestie, but when you reach fairness, when we all have what we need in equal measure? What's to achieve then?
But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other. "
Great question OP. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Bringing more boobs for you.
Life isn't fair. Life throws all kinds of evil crap at you when you're not looking, and sometimes when you are it carries on. And that goes for people as well as the universe.
If life were fair then good people would get good things and bad people would get bad things. But it's about attitude. People who care and have feelings will tend to have more of a hard time because they feel the unfair crap whereas people who don't just don't.
Basically life sucks and then you die. But you can find the joy and fun and happiness if you look for it as well. Just don't let the fuckers who want to ruin it get you down or get in between you and someone you love.
You may need a translator for that one.
Also. Have boobs. "
Love isn't fair either.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I treat everyone the same in life in order to be fair regardless of their skin colour, gender or sexual orientation. However, when/if they fuck up I also get rid of them all in the same way. Is that fair? Yes Nippy I believe it is "
Yes boss, I'm a believer!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In order to know if life is fair.....
We need to define Life
We need to define fairness
Then we can enquire with a common understanding."
Deep! 
The billionaire alone in a massive house with no true friends s/he can trust.
The poor person in a shack with many friends and family who would give him/ her their last piece of bread.
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"If it was fair then it would be a huge motivation.
To me fairness means that if you are kind, decent and work hard you will be rewarded for it.
So we should forget the lazy, leave them behind, different buses and shiz?
If life was fair we’d all have identical dna and be brought up in exactly the same environment with the same gender, sexuality and skin colour (or into a society that didn’t discriminate on those issues).
But because there is variety in all of those factors then life isn’t fair. But it is a lot more interesting as a result.
Agreed
Fairness for me is equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcome
Why would we all want to be the same lol
‘Fairness for me is equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcome’
Someone has been watching Jordan Peterson"
That expression isn't Jordans, though he may say it, its an old saying.
I do quite like JP though
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
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"But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other.
I could be wrong, but I think Nippy’s question is hypothetical, philosophical. That if - in an idealistic, utopian world - everything was absolutely fair, would there be any reason to bother doing anything. "
That almost implies that if you could get away with doing nothing then you would. I don’t think that having to do something is the only (or best) motivation. What about doing something for the joy of it? Or to satisfy curiosity? Or to make someone else happy? |
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"In order to know if life is fair.....
We need to define Life
We need to define fairness
Then we can enquire with a common understanding.
Deep!
The billionaire alone in a massive house with no true friends s/he can trust.
The poor person in a shack with many friends and family who would give him/ her their last piece of bread.
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Both of these scenarios make huge assumptions about human behaviours and fail to account for individual personalities. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Life isn't fair but we have two choices as I see it. One to see the unfairness and do nothing and live in a pit of despair or take it learn form it and move on.
Is it fair I had an abusive childhood, no I didn't do anything wrong. Has it spurred me on to be what I am today and give my own kids a better life absolutely. I am who I am now due to the unfairness of life and I wouldn't change me as a person
Not to undermine the awfulness of your experiences, because you know I'm your bestie, but when you reach fairness, when we all have what we need in equal measure? What's to achieve then?
But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other.
I agree, humans just aren't fair! We just pretend to be, innit.....
As a species no, plus we have a tendency of seeing things as being unfair when they are not. Life is what you make of it, seeing that you've been dealt what you perceive as an unfair hand in life, just hinders your own progress through it "
I was just watching all these people whinging about not being recognised etc on fab or not getting replies it messages and it got me thinking if we all got treated the same, what would be the motivation for a brilliant thread....?
But having a go, I sympathize, but if we're all treated the same when we're not bringing the same then that's not fair either....
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"But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other.
I could be wrong, but I think Nippy’s question is hypothetical, philosophical. That if - in an idealistic, utopian world - everything was absolutely fair, would there be any reason to bother doing anything.
That almost implies that if you could get away with doing nothing then you would. I don’t think that having to do something is the only (or best) motivation. What about doing something for the joy of it? Or to satisfy curiosity? Or to make someone else happy? "
Completely agree. I think there are lots of reasons to be motivated, and that just because everything might be fair, it doesn’t mean you wouldn’t have to work for it and therefore require motivation to get there. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"In order to know if life is fair.....
We need to define Life
We need to define fairness
Then we can enquire with a common understanding."
How do we reach agreement on those definitions when they are unique while also being fair? |
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By *eliWoman
over a year ago
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"(I recently watched a really interesting take **** on a life not lived and what it could have been if not for a racist attack and I think that's flavoured my response).
**** Can you remember what that was? Sounds interesting. "
Anthony on BBC Iplayer. It's not the easiest of viewings but I found it very moving. |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"Bringing more boobs for you.
Life isn't fair. Life throws all kinds of evil crap at you when you're not looking, and sometimes when you are it carries on. And that goes for people as well as the universe.
If life were fair then good people would get good things and bad people would get bad things. But it's about attitude. People who care and have feelings will tend to have more of a hard time because they feel the unfair crap whereas people who don't just don't.
Basically life sucks and then you die. But you can find the joy and fun and happiness if you look for it as well. Just don't let the fuckers who want to ruin it get you down or get in between you and someone you love.
You may need a translator for that one.
Also. Have boobs.
Disease and health isn't fair....
Best boobs on fab! "
You know exactly what I mean. And love isn't fair either, you're right. It's too hard sometimes, too complicated and it shouldn't be.
Not best boobs on fab but I'll take the compliment |
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"But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other.
I could be wrong, but I think Nippy’s question is hypothetical, philosophical. That if - in an idealistic, utopian world - everything was absolutely fair, would there be any reason to bother doing anything. "
I never try and guess what Nippy actually means, it's too much head work and I answer as my own perception and experience dictates.
But on your version of the OP, I don't believe such an utopia could exist. Where there is disease and illness. I believe we are dealt a hand in life and we play it as we choose |
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"Do people think the universe owes anyone ‘fairness’ or happiness?
Yes. You owe it to yourself, and you are part of the universe. "
What if others disagree with you though? |
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"In order to know if life is fair.....
We need to define Life
We need to define fairness
Then we can enquire with a common understanding.
Deep!
The billionaire alone in a massive house with no true friends s/he can trust.
The poor person in a shack with many friends and family who would give him/ her their last piece of bread.
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We're getting there.... |
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"But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other.
I could be wrong, but I think Nippy’s question is hypothetical, philosophical. That if - in an idealistic, utopian world - everything was absolutely fair, would there be any reason to bother doing anything.
That almost implies that if you could get away with doing nothing then you would. I don’t think that having to do something is the only (or best) motivation. What about doing something for the joy of it? Or to satisfy curiosity? Or to make someone else happy? "
They'd already be happy though....? |
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"(I recently watched a really interesting take **** on a life not lived and what it could have been if not for a racist attack and I think that's flavoured my response).
**** Can you remember what that was? Sounds interesting.
Anthony on BBC Iplayer. It's not the easiest of viewings but I found it very moving."
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"Bringing more boobs for you.
Life isn't fair. Life throws all kinds of evil crap at you when you're not looking, and sometimes when you are it carries on. And that goes for people as well as the universe.
If life were fair then good people would get good things and bad people would get bad things. But it's about attitude. People who care and have feelings will tend to have more of a hard time because they feel the unfair crap whereas people who don't just don't.
Basically life sucks and then you die. But you can find the joy and fun and happiness if you look for it as well. Just don't let the fuckers who want to ruin it get you down or get in between you and someone you love.
You may need a translator for that one.
Also. Have boobs.
Disease and health isn't fair....
Best boobs on fab!
You know exactly what I mean. And love isn't fair either, you're right. It's too hard sometimes, too complicated and it shouldn't be.
Not best boobs on fab but I'll take the compliment "
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over a year ago
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" Ok, but what if one person at work washes dishes better and say does 8 plates per minute when their colleague dies just 6 plates per minute. But they are both doing a shit job and spending the same time doing something which takes them away from their families etc. Should they get paid the same? Is that fair? Is it fair the the 8 plate person lives alone but the 6 plater is supporting a family also on that wage....?
So much unfairness! "
Sometimes your arguments are so roundabout ( meant in a polite way!) and not quite addressing the points. I could post about cheese and it's melting abilities and you'd say "but what about ice cream"? I said that I think effort should be recognised, I'd also expect the person who is doing less work to be told to step it up. That's not comparable to the discrimination/ "fairness" issues I was trying to post about.
I think you have your view on the OP clearly and I'm enjoying reading the differing ones. I don't think there is a right or wrong response as such, I think there's different opinions. |
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"But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other.
I could be wrong, but I think Nippy’s question is hypothetical, philosophical. That if - in an idealistic, utopian world - everything was absolutely fair, would there be any reason to bother doing anything.
I never try and guess what Nippy actually means, it's too much head work and I answer as my own perception and experience dictates.
But on your version of the OP, I don't believe such an utopia could exist. Where there is disease and illness. I believe we are dealt a hand in life and we play it as we choose "
I struggle with what I mean myself tbh and things usually evolve with a thread anyway, it's your thread too..... |
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"Life isn't fair but we have two choices as I see it. One to see the unfairness and do nothing and live in a pit of despair or take it learn form it and move on.
Is it fair I had an abusive childhood, no I didn't do anything wrong. Has it spurred me on to be what I am today and give my own kids a better life absolutely. I am who I am now due to the unfairness of life and I wouldn't change me as a person
Not to undermine the awfulness of your experiences, because you know I'm your bestie, but when you reach fairness, when we all have what we need in equal measure? What's to achieve then?
But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other.
I agree, humans just aren't fair! We just pretend to be, innit.....
As a species no, plus we have a tendency of seeing things as being unfair when they are not. Life is what you make of it, seeing that you've been dealt what you perceive as an unfair hand in life, just hinders your own progress through it
I was just watching all these people whinging about not being recognised etc on fab or not getting replies it messages and it got me thinking if we all got treated the same, what would be the motivation for a brilliant thread....?
But having a go, I sympathize, but if we're all treated the same when we're not bringing the same then that's not fair either....
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I get your point we just have different opinions on it. For example I'm dyslexic takes me forever to write a work report Vs someone else. I'm unlikely to be on a level playing field in that respect. I could go it's not fair and give up but I'm like a little terrier who doesn't give up. But being dyslexic gives me different skills which I've made the most of. I guess in my eyes if you see the negatives that's all you'll see. Sometimes you need to see the negatives and use them to your advantage, then you can fulfill your potential if that makes sense? |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"In order to know if life is fair.....
We need to define Life
We need to define fairness
Then we can enquire with a common understanding.
Deep!
The billionaire alone in a massive house with no true friends s/he can trust.
The poor person in a shack with many friends and family who would give him/ her their last piece of bread.
We're getting there.... "
I'd add to this comparison the man who has been isolated from his family since March due to being high risk of covid killing him who ends up not having had a hug for his last 5 months and dying of completely unrelated issues.
And the person who has flouted all the guidance because they don't believe in the pandemic, who it turns out has had it and never even noticed. |
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over a year ago
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"Bringing more boobs for you.
Life isn't fair. Life throws all kinds of evil crap at you when you're not looking, and sometimes when you are it carries on. And that goes for people as well as the universe.
If life were fair then good people would get good things and bad people would get bad things. But it's about attitude. People who care and have feelings will tend to have more of a hard time because they feel the unfair crap whereas people who don't just don't.
Basically life sucks and then you die. But you can find the joy and fun and happiness if you look for it as well. Just don't let the fuckers who want to ruin it get you down or get in between you and someone you love.
You may need a translator for that one.
Also. Have boobs.
Disease and health isn't fair....
Best boobs on fab!
You know exactly what I mean. And love isn't fair either, you're right. It's too hard sometimes, too complicated and it shouldn't be.
Not best boobs on fab but I'll take the compliment
Ppl complicate themselves with insecurity I reckon...."
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" Ok, but what if one person at work washes dishes better and say does 8 plates per minute when their colleague dies just 6 plates per minute. But they are both doing a shit job and spending the same time doing something which takes them away from their families etc. Should they get paid the same? Is that fair? Is it fair the the 8 plate person lives alone but the 6 plater is supporting a family also on that wage....?
So much unfairness!
Sometimes your arguments are so roundabout ( meant in a polite way!) and not quite addressing the points. I could post about cheese and it's melting abilities and you'd say "but what about ice cream"? I said that I think effort should be recognised, I'd also expect the person who is doing less work to be told to step it up. That's not comparable to the discrimination/ "fairness" issues I was trying to post about.
I think you have your view on the OP clearly and I'm enjoying reading the differing ones. I don't think there is a right or wrong response as such, I think there's different opinions."
Sorry Meli, I did take on board your points and agree, I maybe should have said so . I was just rambling about how everything is unfair.... |
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"I treat everyone the same in life in order to be fair regardless of their skin colour, gender or sexual orientation. However, when/if they fuck up I also get rid of them all in the same way. Is that fair? Yes Nippy I believe it is
Yes boss, I'm a believer!
Am I in or out, I'm not sure lately? "
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"Life isn't fair but we have two choices as I see it. One to see the unfairness and do nothing and live in a pit of despair or take it learn form it and move on.
Is it fair I had an abusive childhood, no I didn't do anything wrong. Has it spurred me on to be what I am today and give my own kids a better life absolutely. I am who I am now due to the unfairness of life and I wouldn't change me as a person
Not to undermine the awfulness of your experiences, because you know I'm your bestie, but when you reach fairness, when we all have what we need in equal measure? What's to achieve then?
But I don't think the world will ever be fair. Even if we eliminated poverty, and say each human on the planet had the same amount of money. It'll be human nature for us to put value on something else, as a species we like to find the differences in each other.
I agree, humans just aren't fair! We just pretend to be, innit.....
As a species no, plus we have a tendency of seeing things as being unfair when they are not. Life is what you make of it, seeing that you've been dealt what you perceive as an unfair hand in life, just hinders your own progress through it
I was just watching all these people whinging about not being recognised etc on fab or not getting replies it messages and it got me thinking if we all got treated the same, what would be the motivation for a brilliant thread....?
But having a go, I sympathize, but if we're all treated the same when we're not bringing the same then that's not fair either....
I get your point we just have different opinions on it. For example I'm dyslexic takes me forever to write a work report Vs someone else. I'm unlikely to be on a level playing field in that respect. I could go it's not fair and give up but I'm like a little terrier who doesn't give up. But being dyslexic gives me different skills which I've made the most of. I guess in my eyes if you see the negatives that's all you'll see. Sometimes you need to see the negatives and use them to your advantage, then you can fulfill your potential if that makes sense? "
I think you might not have understood me tbf. Dyslexia isn't fair either, but what can we do except try to understand and work with it and celebrate the good shit we can do! You're a fucking PhD!
I barely scraped a bsc in chemistry, but I'm not bitter that I'm not as smart as you.... |
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"I treat everyone the same in life in order to be fair regardless of their skin colour, gender or sexual orientation. However, when/if they fuck up I also get rid of them all in the same way. Is that fair? Yes Nippy I believe it is
Yes boss, I'm a believer!
Am I in or out, I'm not sure lately?
In "
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"(I recently watched a really interesting take **** on a life not lived and what it could have been if not for a racist attack and I think that's flavoured my response).
**** Can you remember what that was? Sounds interesting.
Anthony on BBC Iplayer. It's not the easiest of viewings but I found it very moving."
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"In order to know if life is fair.....
We need to define Life
We need to define fairness
Then we can enquire with a common understanding.
Deep!
The billionaire alone in a massive house with no true friends s/he can trust.
The poor person in a shack with many friends and family who would give him/ her their last piece of bread.
Both of these scenarios make huge assumptions about human behaviours and fail to account for individual personalities. "
Absolutely.
Both scenarios can also be turned around. Happy billionaire, miserable person with no bread. |
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"In order to know if life is fair.....
We need to define Life
We need to define fairness
Then we can enquire with a common understanding.
Deep!
The billionaire alone in a massive house with no true friends s/he can trust.
The poor person in a shack with many friends and family who would give him/ her their last piece of bread.
Both of these scenarios make huge assumptions about human behaviours and fail to account for individual personalities.
Absolutely.
Both scenarios can also be turned around. Happy billionaire, miserable person with no bread. "
So four or more realistic scenarios of unfairness then....?
(a scenario is just that isn't it?) |
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You're right it isn't.
But how do we judge fairness ? By comparing our position to others generally? I like to suck it up and walk away to resolve things for myself rather than complaining. What comes around goes around has worked for me |
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" You're right it isn't.
But how do we judge fairness ? By comparing our position to others generally? I like to suck it up and walk away to resolve things for myself rather than complaining. What comes around goes around has worked for me "
I agree in general terms unless it's like a discrimination type unfairness which needs challenging. True universal fairness is utterly unattainable for at least as long as just one person can't agree on its definition.....
But on the positive side, it's sunny out....! |
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"Tame is fair.
The moose bloke? I actually liked him! (just in case he's lurking)
I like Tame
It's MY thread! Tell ppl you like me! It's not fair....
So demanding
So evasive! I paid you the bestest compliment the other day! It's not fair....
What did you say?
I said you were every man's fantasy!"
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