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"If it's legitimate it'll be in more authoritative scientific sources than a documentary and/or YouTube." I was just about to post similar. YouTube is dangerous in terms of info pushed on there, a lot of it with no substantiation whatsoever. Find peer reviewed studies to determine if there is any truth in what is being said. | |||
"Heart disease and diabetes can be reversed on a whole food plant based diet. True or false? " False... | |||
"Well that's an assumption of evidence that you haven't seen. It's an hour and thirty eight minutes long. Why not check it out for yourself. " Cans a plant based diet help with the reply+quote button so people know to whom you are answering?? I quite like my insulin as I find it a bit moorish. T | |||
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"T2 diabetes can be reversed in some situations by diet. Not always. Heart disease? That term encompasses a whole smorgasbord of illnesses. However for ischaemic heart disease (causes angina/heart attacks) I’m not aware of any randomised controlled placebo controlled studies that show reversal (and if there were then it would be a standard intervention in IHD). That said, diet could certainly prevent IHD along with other lifestyle measures. I’m innately cynical about YouTube films being evidence-based on the true sense of the term evidence-based. " It's on YouTube because it's free. Until Two weeks ago it was on Netflix, does that make it any better. Why not watch it first before you dismiss it? https://youtu.be/ICDRYEpNYtI | |||
"T2 diabetes can be reversed in some situations by diet. Not always. Heart disease? That term encompasses a whole smorgasbord of illnesses. However for ischaemic heart disease (causes angina/heart attacks) I’m not aware of any randomised controlled placebo controlled studies that show reversal (and if there were then it would be a standard intervention in IHD). That said, diet could certainly prevent IHD along with other lifestyle measures. I’m innately cynical about YouTube films being evidence-based on the true sense of the term evidence-based. It's on YouTube because it's free. Until Two weeks ago it was on Netflix, does that make it any better. Why not watch it first before you dismiss it? https://youtu.be/ICDRYEpNYtI" They both have the same level of scientific credibility, Netflix and YouTube. Zero. | |||
"T2 diabetes can be reversed in some situations by diet. Not always. Heart disease? That term encompasses a whole smorgasbord of illnesses. However for ischaemic heart disease (causes angina/heart attacks) I’m not aware of any randomised controlled placebo controlled studies that show reversal (and if there were then it would be a standard intervention in IHD). That said, diet could certainly prevent IHD along with other lifestyle measures. I’m innately cynical about YouTube films being evidence-based on the true sense of the term evidence-based. It's on YouTube because it's free. Until Two weeks ago it was on Netflix, does that make it any better. Why not watch it first before you dismiss it? https://youtu.be/ICDRYEpNYtI They both have the same level of scientific credibility, Netflix and YouTube. Zero." So what platform has scientific credibility for a documentary? | |||
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"Heart disease and diabetes can be reversed on a whole food plant based diet. True or false? " Studies in the US says it has very little to do with the food you consume but more to do with the amount so you can still eat meat fats and sugars but only in very small amounts .. Also suggesting that as a human will benefit greatly from stave Period 3 to 4 days of consuming virtually no calories cut sugar levels in blood lower blood pressure and also slow down the ageing process encouraging cell repair.. | |||
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"T2 diabetes can be reversed in some situations by diet. Not always. Heart disease? That term encompasses a whole smorgasbord of illnesses. However for ischaemic heart disease (causes angina/heart attacks) I’m not aware of any randomised controlled placebo controlled studies that show reversal (and if there were then it would be a standard intervention in IHD). That said, diet could certainly prevent IHD along with other lifestyle measures. I’m innately cynical about YouTube films being evidence-based on the true sense of the term evidence-based. It's on YouTube because it's free. Until Two weeks ago it was on Netflix, does that make it any better. Why not watch it first before you dismiss it? https://youtu.be/ICDRYEpNYtI They both have the same level of scientific credibility, Netflix and YouTube. Zero. So what platform has scientific credibility for a documentary? " What you need to do is look critically at who funded the documentary and also who funded the studies. Often you find that companies seeking to benefit from the study will fund them. | |||
"T2 diabetes can be reversed in some situations by diet. Not always. Heart disease? That term encompasses a whole smorgasbord of illnesses. However for ischaemic heart disease (causes angina/heart attacks) I’m not aware of any randomised controlled placebo controlled studies that show reversal (and if there were then it would be a standard intervention in IHD). That said, diet could certainly prevent IHD along with other lifestyle measures. I’m innately cynical about YouTube films being evidence-based on the true sense of the term evidence-based. It's on YouTube because it's free. Until Two weeks ago it was on Netflix, does that make it any better. Why not watch it first before you dismiss it? https://youtu.be/ICDRYEpNYtI They both have the same level of scientific credibility, Netflix and YouTube. Zero. So what platform has scientific credibility for a documentary? What you need to do is look critically at who funded the documentary and also who funded the studies. Often you find that companies seeking to benefit from the study will fund them. " I could tell you but you still wouldn't believe me if I told you. If a study showing that meat, Dairy and eggs are healthy and an essential part of a daily diet was funded by the same companies would you question that? It's literally telling people to eat a whole food plant based diet. You know vegetables and fruits. What company owns all the vegetables and Fruits in the world? | |||
"Oh and I haven't eaten meat for 17 years. Didn't prevent it and hasn't fixed it. " Dairy and eggs have a part to plat too. The scientists and doctors literally show all their studies and research in the documentary. There are two people in the documentary that have type two diabetes and they reverse it after 22 weeks on a whole food plant-based diet. | |||
"Documentaries aren't scientifically credible." Even if there are scientists talking about their studies they did. One if them heading up a study of five hundred thousand people. That's not enough? | |||
"Heart disease and diabetes can be reversed on a whole food plant based diet. True or false? " Lol | |||
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"Documentaries aren't scientifically credible. Even if there are scientists talking about their studies they did. One if them heading up a study of five hundred thousand people. That's not enough? " Nope | |||
"Documentaries aren't scientifically credible. Even if there are scientists talking about their studies they did. One if them heading up a study of five hundred thousand people. That's not enough? Nope" Because you know more about health and nutrition than a biochemist. | |||
"Documentaries aren't scientifically credible. Even if there are scientists talking about their studies they did. One if them heading up a study of five hundred thousand people. That's not enough? Nope Because you know more about health and nutrition than a biochemist. " Because I understand why documentaries are inappropriate means for sharing scientific information. | |||
"Documentaries aren't scientifically credible. Even if there are scientists talking about their studies they did. One if them heading up a study of five hundred thousand people. That's not enough? Nope Because you know more about health and nutrition than a biochemist. " Just because he is an expert in his field and has a PhD etc. Does not mean his study is perfect plenty of studies out there on hundreds of subjects from so called experts that are complete horse shit, massively biased and have been universally panned. | |||
"Documentaries aren't scientifically credible. Even if there are scientists talking about their studies they did. One if them heading up a study of five hundred thousand people. That's not enough? Nope Because you know more about health and nutrition than a biochemist. Just because he is an expert in his field and has a PhD etc. Does not mean his study is perfect plenty of studies out there on hundreds of subjects from so called experts that are complete horse shit, massively biased and have been universally panned." And presentation in documentaries isn't subject to appropriate objective scrutiny and is done for the purposes of the documentary not factual presentation. | |||
"Documentaries aren't scientifically credible. Even if there are scientists talking about their studies they did. One if them heading up a study of five hundred thousand people. That's not enough? Nope Because you know more about health and nutrition than a biochemist. Just because he is an expert in his field and has a PhD etc. Does not mean his study is perfect plenty of studies out there on hundreds of subjects from so called experts that are complete horse shit, massively biased and have been universally panned." He was raised, lived on and worked on a dairy farm. Surely he would be bias towards the dairy and meat industry not vegetables and fruits? | |||
"Documentaries aren't scientifically credible. Even if there are scientists talking about their studies they did. One if them heading up a study of five hundred thousand people. That's not enough? Nope Because you know more about health and nutrition than a biochemist. Because I understand why documentaries are inappropriate means for sharing scientific information. " Read his book then the China Study. | |||
"Documentaries aren't scientifically credible. Even if there are scientists talking about their studies they did. One if them heading up a study of five hundred thousand people. That's not enough? Nope Because you know more about health and nutrition than a biochemist. Just because he is an expert in his field and has a PhD etc. Does not mean his study is perfect plenty of studies out there on hundreds of subjects from so called experts that are complete horse shit, massively biased and have been universally panned. And presentation in documentaries isn't subject to appropriate objective scrutiny and is done for the purposes of the documentary not factual presentation." Dr Caldwell Esselstyn Dr John A McDougall Look them up and read their studies then if everything in the documentary is bullshit. | |||
"Documentaries aren't scientifically credible. Even if there are scientists talking about their studies they did. One if them heading up a study of five hundred thousand people. That's not enough? Nope Because you know more about health and nutrition than a biochemist. Just because he is an expert in his field and has a PhD etc. Does not mean his study is perfect plenty of studies out there on hundreds of subjects from so called experts that are complete horse shit, massively biased and have been universally panned. And presentation in documentaries isn't subject to appropriate objective scrutiny and is done for the purposes of the documentary not factual presentation. Dr Caldwell Esselstyn Dr John A McDougall Look them up and read their studies then if everything in the documentary is bullshit. " Documentaries are not reliable sources. Period. The information may or may not be valid. But if you want to make a claim, do so with reliable sources. | |||
"False, think about it. " Type 2 diabetes potentially can be reversed by a plant based diet. (I am a type 2 diabetic and went vegan last year, so I'm living the experiment). Suger and excessive carbs are major factors, so reducing or eliminating those helps also. If you want to reverse / put in remission then a very strictly controlled diet is required. The surgeon who pioneered the heart bypass certainly believes that a plant based diet is optimum for human health, and is a huge advocate of people living on a plant based diet. If you are genuinely interested, watch the documentary "What the health" on Netflix. Of course, fab is an excellent source for sexual adventures, but less so as a medical reference site, so as always talk to your chosen medical professional. | |||
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"I’m innately cynical about YouTube films being evidence-based on the true sense of the term evidence-based. " It is a properly produced and researched documentary. It's also on Netflix, which is where I saw it. There are three great documentaries to watch: Cowspiracy Forks over knives What the health As always, consult your GP not fab. | |||
"What you need to do is look critically at who funded the documentary and also who funded the studies. Often you find that companies seeking to benefit from the study will fund them. " And also, who is funding the counter arguments! The meat, dairy and sugar industry is big business, and in the states, big business counts. Regarding the platform, if the same documentary was shown on Channel 4, the BBC or something else make a difference to your thoughts? | |||
"False, think about it. Type 2 diabetes potentially can be reversed by a plant based diet. (I am a type 2 diabetic and went vegan last year, so I'm living the experiment). Suger and excessive carbs are major factors, so reducing or eliminating those helps also. If you want to reverse / put in remission then a very strictly controlled diet is required. The surgeon who pioneered the heart bypass certainly believes that a plant based diet is optimum for human health, and is a huge advocate of people living on a plant based diet. If you are genuinely interested, watch the documentary "What the health" on Netflix. Of course, fab is an excellent source for sexual adventures, but less so as a medical reference site, so as always talk to your chosen medical professional." Haha thank you for your input. It's good to hear from someone that has actually been through the change. | |||
"Oh and I haven't eaten meat for 17 years. Didn't prevent it and hasn't fixed it. Dairy and eggs have a part to plat too. The scientists and doctors literally show all their studies and research in the documentary. There are two people in the documentary that have type two diabetes and they reverse it after 22 weeks on a whole food plant-based diet. " Okay but how would not eating eggs or dairy undo the damage to my heart from pneumonia? | |||
"Okay but how would not eating eggs or dairy undo the damage to my heart from pneumonia? " No idea if that damage can be undone, because I'm not a doctor. However, speak to your GP who may be able to advise you. Some, but all types of heart disease may be reversible. It's a huge area of medicine. Types of heart disease related to diet may very well be reversible. However, as stated numerous times, I'm not a Doctor and Fab should not be your source for medical advice. Type 2 diabetes can be reversed by a 100% plant based diet, and as I understand it, its one of the areas actively under investigation. | |||
I don't think it's as simple as it can be reversed. Maybe it's more accurate to say if diabetes type 2 becomes an issue then intervention (to include dietary changes) can keep you out of the diabetic diagnosis for a period of time. | |||
"T2 diabetes can be reversed in some situations by diet. Not always. Heart disease? That term encompasses a whole smorgasbord of illnesses. However for ischaemic heart disease (causes angina/heart attacks) I’m not aware of any randomised controlled placebo controlled studies that show reversal (and if there were then it would be a standard intervention in IHD). That said, diet could certainly prevent IHD along with other lifestyle measures. I’m innately cynical about YouTube films being evidence-based on the true sense of the term evidence-based. It's on YouTube because it's free. Until Two weeks ago it was on Netflix, does that make it any better. Why not watch it first before you dismiss it? https://youtu.be/ICDRYEpNYtI They both have the same level of scientific credibility, Netflix and YouTube. Zero. So what platform has scientific credibility for a documentary? What you need to do is look critically at who funded the documentary and also who funded the studies. Often you find that companies seeking to benefit from the study will fund them. I could tell you but you still wouldn't believe me if I told you. If a study showing that meat, Dairy and eggs are healthy and an essential part of a daily diet was funded by the same companies would you question that? It's literally telling people to eat a whole food plant based diet. You know vegetables and fruits. What company owns all the vegetables and Fruits in the world? " I'm not saying that the research isn't correct, I'm just saying that only a fool believes research outright without casting a critical eye on who funded the research and what they hope to achieve from the outcomes. No company owns all of the fruit and vegetables however there are councils and government groups who like to push agendas as well as groups such as PETA and other animal rights groups who would love research that shows we should all abandon eating animals. Critical thinking is the way forward. | |||
"What you need to do is look critically at who funded the documentary and also who funded the studies. Often you find that companies seeking to benefit from the study will fund them. And also, who is funding the counter arguments! The meat, dairy and sugar industry is big business, and in the states, big business counts. Regarding the platform, if the same documentary was shown on Channel 4, the BBC or something else make a difference to your thoughts?" I never questioned the platform of the documentary so, no it wouldn't make a difference to my thoughts on that. | |||
"Okay but how would not eating eggs or dairy undo the damage to my heart from pneumonia? No idea if that damage can be undone, because I'm not a doctor. However, speak to your GP who may be able to advise you. Some, but all types of heart disease may be reversible. It's a huge area of medicine. Types of heart disease related to diet may very well be reversible. However, as stated numerous times, I'm not a Doctor and Fab should not be your source for medical advice. Type 2 diabetes can be reversed by a 100% plant based diet, and as I understand it, its one of the areas actively under investigation." I'm not seeking medical advice on fab  . I know my condition very well. I've lived with it for 7 years. I know the damage can't be undone and I'll be medicated for the rest of my life. That's what I've been told by multiple consultants, including a national specialist anyway. The OP seems to believe they are wrong though and I can fix it through diet, hence my question to them. | |||
