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over a year ago
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Its awful. But if you watch the footage there's an element of tragic events unfolding...the perfect storm.
Sadly any verdict won't bring him back, but i don't think murder in the eyes of a court would be the correct one legally speaking.
What a waste of his life, just for stealing a quad bike. |
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"Probably belongs on another thread to be honest but doesn't feel like justice to me
It’s not justice at all. It was murder at the very least. "
This is my thought, if all they wanted was to get away they put that before his well being, that's deliberate killing in my book |
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" Its awful. But if you watch the footage there's an element of tragic events unfolding...the perfect storm.
Sadly any verdict won't bring him back, but i don't think murder in the eyes of a court would be the correct one legally speaking.
What a waste of his life, just for stealing a quad bike."
I agree and I wish for PC Harper's family's sake that they would stop showing footage and describing what happened. |
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"It’s really sad and I just hope the three of them learn the lessons and understand what they have done and repent for what they have did "
They didn’t look like they would be repenting any time soon x |
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"It’s really sad and I just hope the three of them learn the lessons and understand what they have done and repent for what they have did
They didn’t look like they would be repenting any time soon x"
Their families tried to knobble the jury, one juror was dismissed.
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Unfortunately the legal definition of murder takes account of the intentions and state of mind of the killer. These can be very difficult to prove.
Maybe there should be an updated definition that is only concerned with what someone did rather than why they did it. |
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Surely their behaviour during the act and then after in their pictures smiling without any remorse or guilt should be taken into account.
Look at what countries with far lower crime rates will do and take that into account. Prisons nowadays are a joke. I get like two or three messages a week from guys locked up asking for nudes to keep them entertained |
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"Unfortunately the legal definition of murder takes account of the intentions and state of mind of the killer. These can be very difficult to prove.
Maybe there should be an updated definition that is only concerned with what someone did rather than why they did it."
Yes I appreciate I wasn't in court and didn't hear the evidence, his family were and they weren't satisfied, still doesn't feel like justice to me |
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"Unfortunately the legal definition of murder takes account of the intentions and state of mind of the killer. These can be very difficult to prove.
Maybe there should be an updated definition that is only concerned with what someone did rather than why they did it.
Yes I appreciate I wasn't in court and didn't hear the evidence, his family were and they weren't satisfied, still doesn't feel like justice to me"
That's why a more up to date definition could be useful. There is no doubt about what they did and the awful consequences but, to call it murder the prosecution has to prove 'malice aforethought'. A pretty archaic term,in my opinion.
If the definition was only concerned with what they did there would be no doubt this was murder. |
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"Unfortunately the legal definition of murder takes account of the intentions and state of mind of the killer. These can be very difficult to prove.
Maybe there should be an updated definition that is only concerned with what someone did rather than why they did it.
Yes I appreciate I wasn't in court and didn't hear the evidence, his family were and they weren't satisfied, still doesn't feel like justice to me
That's why a more up to date definition could be useful. There is no doubt about what they did and the awful consequences but, to call it murder the prosecution has to prove 'malice aforethought'. A pretty archaic term,in my opinion.
If the definition was only concerned with what they did there would be no doubt this was murder."
I know I get it but if we can't protect those who's job is to protect us it's a sad state of affairs |
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By *RSTCouple
over a year ago
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"Unfortunately the legal definition of murder takes account of the intentions and state of mind of the killer. These can be very difficult to prove.
Maybe there should be an updated definition that is only concerned with what someone did rather than why they did it."
Maybe an offence specifically for these sort of situations. Technically, you're right, it's very difficult to prove the intent. So how about an offence of something like causing the death of an officer to evade capture. Give it the same weight as murder.
I believe these people knew exactly what was happening, and had a chance to stop the car to prevent his death but chose not to anyway. In my eyes, that makes it murder. |
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"Unfortunately the legal definition of murder takes account of the intentions and state of mind of the killer. These can be very difficult to prove.
Maybe there should be an updated definition that is only concerned with what someone did rather than why they did it.
Yes I appreciate I wasn't in court and didn't hear the evidence, his family were and they weren't satisfied, still doesn't feel like justice to me"
Sadly when someone is lost, noone truly ever feels like justice is served I believe. I guess thats why we have an objective legal system as opposed to one based on subjective _iews which would be chaos.
Lack of remorse will always hurt so much too.
Sadly we're in a time where the Police service is held more accountable for the actions of criminals than the actual criminals themselves.
RIP and thankyou for being prepared to be out there dealing with those people I say. |
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"Unfortunately the legal definition of murder takes account of the intentions and state of mind of the killer. These can be very difficult to prove.
Maybe there should be an updated definition that is only concerned with what someone did rather than why they did it.
Maybe an offence specifically for these sort of situations. Technically, you're right, it's very difficult to prove the intent. So how about an offence of something like causing the death of an officer to evade capture. Give it the same weight as murder.
I believe these people knew exactly what was happening, and had a chance to stop the car to prevent his death but chose not to anyway. In my eyes, that makes it murder. "
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Hopefully the judge will give the maximum sentence for Manslaughter, which is Life imprisonment and I think they can apply for parole. Whereas Murder you don't get the chance to go for parole. Life is Life.
Unfortunately the prosecution didn't give enough evidence to prove Murder, which is they intended to kill PC Harper, they didn't prove that this was the case.
It's a terrible terrible case. There are no winners and watching his wife speak just BROKE my heart.
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"All three were convicted of manslaughter and they're due for sentencing next week.Let's hope they all get the maximum sentence."
They will not there will be some bleeding hart doo Gooders arguing a shorter sentence  |
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"All three were convicted of manslaughter and they're due for sentencing next week.Let's hope they all get the maximum sentence.
They will not there will be some bleeding hart doo Gooders arguing a shorter sentence "
A previous one, also in Reading if I remember right, got 12 years I think for manslaughter. Was convicted of GBH but upgraded when the officer died from the injuries and additional time bolted onto his sentence. |
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"All three were convicted of manslaughter and they're due for sentencing next week.Let's hope they all get the maximum sentence.
They will not there will be some bleeding hart doo Gooders arguing a shorter sentence "
The judge hands the sentence down. Their solicitors CAN argue for a shorter sentence but its up to the judge at the end of the day.
They are very young as well so they will be old men when/if they get out of prison.
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"Their criminal activity involved them being responsible for the killing of another human being. It's murder."
Not in legal terms it didn't. Its complex and that's why its dealt with objectively in an almost cold manner, otherwise there's no point in a justice system? |
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"Their criminal activity involved them being responsible for the killing of another human being. It's murder.
Not in legal terms it didn't. Its complex and that's why its dealt with objectively in an almost cold manner, otherwise there's no point in a justice system?"
You are right and I wouldn't change the system, I think as you said above the law may need looking at |
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