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over a year ago
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Whilst yes you could lose alot initially but you would gain it all back because it is not sustainable in the long run, a nice steady approach is better and there is no set time for how long it will take is it is different from person to person, what is your view on this? |
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over a year ago
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Steady has always worked for me!
Few changes to the macronutrients and you potentially slow down the loss of what you dont wish to lose, ie muscle
Either way, diets suck!  |
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I have always had the view that if you want to maintain a weight that is less than what you weigh now you will need to change the way you eat long term. To do that it needs to be sustainable and it seems to me that drastic reduction in food intake isn't. I don't think that cutting out whole food groups is either but I know that some people do cut carbs completely. |
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"its not about diets its about a healthy lifestyle which can be maintained. Yes it is also about having a healthy lifestyle as well  "
I cut for summer, and take my diet easier over Christmas, but your right, there are no short cuts.
Just perseverance. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Steady has always worked for me!
Few changes to the macronutrients and you potentially slow down the loss of what you dont wish to lose, ie muscle
Either way, diets suck! "
Yes, you can slow it down too, although you still can build muscle in a deficit with the right circumstances as well. |
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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago
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It's about developing long-term sustainable behaviours. Most of the people that I know who've lost weight quickly, gain it back equally as quick (or even quicker). Take your time, discover what works best for you, set yourself small, stepping stone type goals, establish effective behaviours, reinforce these before moving on. This now becomes a lifestyle and is sustainable. |
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"I have always had the view that if you want to maintain a weight that is less than what you weigh now you will need to change the way you eat long term. To do that it needs to be sustainable and it seems to me that drastic reduction in food intake isn't. I don't think that cutting out whole food groups is either but I know that some people do cut carbs completely."
Yes and also whilst being on a diet a good tip is to switch from high calorie foods to low calories ones as you would feel fuller on that, still eat high ones but to a minimum. I do that now as well on the summer shredding diet, as a sweet thing at the end of the day I take 2 carrots and grate them, it is very tast too  |
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"There is no shortcuts to gaining weight so why would there be any shortcut to losing that same weight? "
Gastric band surgery is a very quick and sustainable shortcut to weight loss.
A bit drastic maybe but, it's an alternative. |
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"I have always had the view that if you want to maintain a weight that is less than what you weigh now you will need to change the way you eat long term. To do that it needs to be sustainable and it seems to me that drastic reduction in food intake isn't. I don't think that cutting out whole food groups is either but I know that some people do cut carbs completely.Yes and also whilst being on a diet a good tip is to switch from high calorie foods to low calories ones as you would feel fuller on that, still eat high ones but to a minimum. I do that now as well on the summer shredding diet, as a sweet thing at the end of the day I take 2 carrots and grate them, it is very tast too "
I feel at my best of I don't eat many carbs so I substitute cauliflower rice for things like pasta,potatoes, rice etc and only eat one slice of bread a day. I usually only eat cake at weekends unless I'm on holiday or I'm a guest in someone's home and they offer me some. This is my normal way of going on so I don't see it as a diet, just the way I live |
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"its not about diets its about a healthy lifestyle which can be maintained. Yes it is also about having a healthy lifestyle as well
I cut for summer, and take my diet easier over Christmas, but your right, there are no short cuts.
Just perseverance. "
That is good. I have changed how I do things this year and I started the summer shredding in february and will continue to august when the summer is finished, which gives me plenty if time to fine tune the diet, 20 or so weeks slow dieting is what I like as you could throw in some diet brakes and refeed days too along the way |
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I agree that it’s all about the long term... but sometimes people need a short sharp boost of drastic weight loss to kick start them in the right direction so I can understand why people do quick fix diets, they knows it’s not sustainable or long term but it gives them that boost to go on holiday or fit into a dress for one night only haha. But it’s not healthy doing it that way of course.... |
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"Whilst yes you could lose alot initially but you would gain it all back because it is not sustainable in the long run, a nice steady approach is better and there is no set time for how long it will take is it is different from person to person, what is your view on this?"
I agree. Diets are a short term fix to a long term problem. A change of lifestyle is often required in order to effect the change you want to see. |
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"Are we doing the 5/2 diet wrong? We eat healthy for 5 and have takeaways, alcohol and treats on 2  "
Yes you are..... takeaways for 5 and healthy for 2 sounds a lot more sustainable  |
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One of the best things I ever did was see a nutritionist. She looked at what I eat and gave me practical and specific advice on what to change, how and why.
The results have been excellent, except lockdown has seen me back slide severely. |
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"Whilst yes you could lose alot initially but you would gain it all back because it is not sustainable in the long run, a nice steady approach is better and there is no set time for how long it will take is it is different from person to person, what is your view on this?"
Because of being type 2 diabetic, I have gone on a low carb diet and so far its working, I've reduced my insulin amd lost 2 stone in 3 months |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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I go for the old fashioned all things in moderation, rarely eat shit but have no shame in a takeaway or occassional junk food. I exercise at least once daily so probably eat more carbs than current advice suggests. But I'm rapidly approaching 50 and pretty much the same weight I was 30 years ago so i guess it works reasonably well |
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"Whilst yes you could lose alot initially but you would gain it all back because it is not sustainable in the long run, a nice steady approach is better and there is no set time for how long it will take is it is different from person to person, what is your view on this?
Because of being type 2 diabetic, I have gone on a low carb diet and so far its working, I've reduced my insulin amd lost 2 stone in 3 months"
Well done you. A prime example of how small changes works wonders. |
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"Whilst yes you could lose alot initially but you would gain it all back because it is not sustainable in the long run, a nice steady approach is better and there is no set time for how long it will take is it is different from person to person, what is your view on this?
Because of being type 2 diabetic, I have gone on a low carb diet and so far its working, I've reduced my insulin amd lost 2 stone in 3 months
Well done you. A prime example of how small changes works wonders."
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"its not about diets its about a healthy lifestyle which can be maintained. Yes it is also about having a healthy lifestyle as well
I cut for summer, and take my diet easier over Christmas, but your right, there are no short cuts.
Just perseverance. That is good. I have changed how I do things this year and I started the summer shredding in february and will continue to august when the summer is finished, which gives me plenty if time to fine tune the diet, 20 or so weeks slow dieting is what I like as you could throw in some diet brakes and refeed days too along the way "
I have a chest day every week, on a sat 6pm onwards I eat whatever I want, And I go ham!! After being glycogen depleted all week I feel it really helps me. |
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The evidence is predominantly in favour of the complex issues of sustained weight loss being addressed by changes to activity (exercise) levels and types, with dietary changes. Combined approaches appear to have greater effectiveness than just 1 factor alone. Rapid dietary influenced weight loss seems particularly susceptible to being reversed. Yoyo dieting isn't particularly good for us and can demotivate us as well as help to shape our beliefs about weight loss being impossible for us too
Many systems focus on a single approach, which may help us to lose weight. Some are healthier than others. Some have little-to-no evidence behind them. Whilst losing weight for a specific point, like a party or holiday, is fitting as it means that we hold a goal, it ignores the need for ongoing, permanent changes to our lifestyle, which are typically required, to sustain the changes.
We've become a little too obsessed with wanting only quick fixes. |
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"I have always had the view that if you want to maintain a weight that is less than what you weigh now you will need to change the way you eat long term. To do that it needs to be sustainable and it seems to me that drastic reduction in food intake isn't. I don't think that cutting out whole food groups is either but I know that some people do cut carbs completely.Yes and also whilst being on a diet a good tip is to switch from high calorie foods to low calories ones as you would feel fuller on that, still eat high ones but to a minimum. I do that now as well on the summer shredding diet, as a sweet thing at the end of the day I take 2 carrots and grate them, it is very tast too
I feel at my best of I don't eat many carbs so I substitute cauliflower rice for things like pasta,potatoes, rice etc and only eat one slice of bread a day. I usually only eat cake at weekends unless I'm on holiday or I'm a guest in someone's home and they offer me some. This is my normal way of going on so I don't see it as a diet, just the way I live"
That is a good way of seeing it too as, same here if I am on holiday or get invited for dinner I have have that dinner as well, but the next day I make sure the calorie deficit continues.
I feel my best with carbs like potatoes, rice and pasta and greek yougurt, the difference during summer shredding is the portion sizes now it is alot less, but I always allow for some haribos everyday which I am tracking. I have about 10 gummy bears daily. 1 gummy bear have 8 calories in them |
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"I have always had the view that if you want to maintain a weight that is less than what you weigh now you will need to change the way you eat long term. To do that it needs to be sustainable and it seems to me that drastic reduction in food intake isn't. I don't think that cutting out whole food groups is either but I know that some people do cut carbs completely.Yes and also whilst being on a diet a good tip is to switch from high calorie foods to low calories ones as you would feel fuller on that, still eat high ones but to a minimum. I do that now as well on the summer shredding diet, as a sweet thing at the end of the day I take 2 carrots and grate them, it is very tast too
I feel at my best of I don't eat many carbs so I substitute cauliflower rice for things like pasta,potatoes, rice etc and only eat one slice of bread a day. I usually only eat cake at weekends unless I'm on holiday or I'm a guest in someone's home and they offer me some. This is my normal way of going on so I don't see it as a diet, just the way I liveThat is a good way of seeing it too as, same here if I am on holiday or get invited for dinner I have have that dinner as well, but the next day I make sure the calorie deficit continues.
I feel my best with carbs like potatoes, rice and pasta and greek yougurt, the difference during summer shredding is the portion sizes now it is alot less, but I always allow for some haribos everyday which I am tracking. I have about 10 gummy bears daily. 1 gummy bear have 8 calories in them "
Do you use the 1gram of protein for every 1 lb of bodyweight rule? |
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"I have always had the view that if you want to maintain a weight that is less than what you weigh now you will need to change the way you eat long term. To do that it needs to be sustainable and it seems to me that drastic reduction in food intake isn't. I don't think that cutting out whole food groups is either but I know that some people do cut carbs completely.Yes and also whilst being on a diet a good tip is to switch from high calorie foods to low calories ones as you would feel fuller on that, still eat high ones but to a minimum. I do that now as well on the summer shredding diet, as a sweet thing at the end of the day I take 2 carrots and grate them, it is very tast too
I feel at my best of I don't eat many carbs so I substitute cauliflower rice for things like pasta,potatoes, rice etc and only eat one slice of bread a day. I usually only eat cake at weekends unless I'm on holiday or I'm a guest in someone's home and they offer me some. This is my normal way of going on so I don't see it as a diet, just the way I liveThat is a good way of seeing it too as, same here if I am on holiday or get invited for dinner I have have that dinner as well, but the next day I make sure the calorie deficit continues.
I feel my best with carbs like potatoes, rice and pasta and greek yougurt, the difference during summer shredding is the portion sizes now it is alot less, but I always allow for some haribos everyday which I am tracking. I have about 10 gummy bears daily. 1 gummy bear have 8 calories in them
Do you use the 1gram of protein for every 1 lb of bodyweight rule?"
Yes I do bit not always I also have it at the lowest end of 0.8, do you? |
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"Whilst yes you could lose alot initially but you would gain it all back because it is not sustainable in the long run, a nice steady approach is better and there is no set time for how long it will take is it is different from person to person, what is your view on this?"
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"I have always had the view that if you want to maintain a weight that is less than what you weigh now you will need to change the way you eat long term. To do that it needs to be sustainable and it seems to me that drastic reduction in food intake isn't. I don't think that cutting out whole food groups is either but I know that some people do cut carbs completely.Yes and also whilst being on a diet a good tip is to switch from high calorie foods to low calories ones as you would feel fuller on that, still eat high ones but to a minimum. I do that now as well on the summer shredding diet, as a sweet thing at the end of the day I take 2 carrots and grate them, it is very tast too
I feel at my best of I don't eat many carbs so I substitute cauliflower rice for things like pasta,potatoes, rice etc and only eat one slice of bread a day. I usually only eat cake at weekends unless I'm on holiday or I'm a guest in someone's home and they offer me some. This is my normal way of going on so I don't see it as a diet, just the way I liveThat is a good way of seeing it too as, same here if I am on holiday or get invited for dinner I have have that dinner as well, but the next day I make sure the calorie deficit continues.
I feel my best with carbs like potatoes, rice and pasta and greek yougurt, the difference during summer shredding is the portion sizes now it is alot less, but I always allow for some haribos everyday which I am tracking. I have about 10 gummy bears daily. 1 gummy bear have 8 calories in them
Do you use the 1gram of protein for every 1 lb of bodyweight rule?Yes I do bit not always I also have it at the lowest end of 0.8, do you?"
I'm 2 g to 2.5 g per kg
Thus usually 160 g |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
If someone is committed to sustained weight loss it requires sacrifice and long term changing of eating habits. How much you're willing to sacrifice will depending on your overall weight loss / fitness goals and how quickly you desire to lose the weight. In clinical practice, i've seen that people who embarked on an aggressive program that delivered quick results often ended up right back to where they started and often worse.
Like everything in life, it requires effort. There are no quick fixes. |
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Ive been on a high protein low carb diet since march and dropped 3 dress sizes, taken up yoga and do a lot of walking ,my sister does marathons and she says its doing me good and the diet is heathy .. |
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"I have always had the view that if you want to maintain a weight that is less than what you weigh now you will need to change the way you eat long term. To do that it needs to be sustainable and it seems to me that drastic reduction in food intake isn't. I don't think that cutting out whole food groups is either but I know that some people do cut carbs completely.Yes and also whilst being on a diet a good tip is to switch from high calorie foods to low calories ones as you would feel fuller on that, still eat high ones but to a minimum. I do that now as well on the summer shredding diet, as a sweet thing at the end of the day I take 2 carrots and grate them, it is very tast too
I feel at my best of I don't eat many carbs so I substitute cauliflower rice for things like pasta,potatoes, rice etc and only eat one slice of bread a day. I usually only eat cake at weekends unless I'm on holiday or I'm a guest in someone's home and they offer me some. This is my normal way of going on so I don't see it as a diet, just the way I live"
Yeah I mostly only eat carbs at dinner now and mostly only potatoes or rice. I've found I get more hungry if I have carbs in my breakfast or lunch. |
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Personally I would agree with what most say for the rest of my weight loss so far. I changed my eating habits and increased my excercise and the weight slowly came off over the space of about 3 years. However the last bit of weight I have wanted to lose has proven extremely stubborn. None of my old tactics worked. I've tried 1600 calories, 1500 and 1400 and it hasn't worked. I've only managed to lose anything with 1200-1300 which most consider crash dieting. I may be a bit different though as I gain weight on 2000 calories which is supposed to be a womens recommended amount. My maintenance is about 1700/1800. In the past 5 years I've been losing weight, I have moved constantly in a downward direction and never put on more than about 3 pounds at any point (apart from after losing weight with the flu). I just got really stuck at the end of the journey. I'm hoping I've cracked it now though. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
People often use the term change in lifestyle , but before you can do this effectively you have to change your thoughts, we are dealing with mental not physical health.
You have to change your relationship with food and it’s not easy. Fasting can help as it reconnects you to the feeling of hunger, and reminds you that you actually have control over what you put in your mouth and when. Billions of people feel hunger their entire lives, going to bed hungry every single day, we won’t die or get ill if we don’t have 3 meals a day every day. Embrace a bit of hunger now and then and take back control !
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"I have always had the view that if you want to maintain a weight that is less than what you weigh now you will need to change the way you eat long term. To do that it needs to be sustainable and it seems to me that drastic reduction in food intake isn't. I don't think that cutting out whole food groups is either but I know that some people do cut carbs completely.Yes and also whilst being on a diet a good tip is to switch from high calorie foods to low calories ones as you would feel fuller on that, still eat high ones but to a minimum. I do that now as well on the summer shredding diet, as a sweet thing at the end of the day I take 2 carrots and grate them, it is very tast too
I feel at my best of I don't eat many carbs so I substitute cauliflower rice for things like pasta,potatoes, rice etc and only eat one slice of bread a day. I usually only eat cake at weekends unless I'm on holiday or I'm a guest in someone's home and they offer me some. This is my normal way of going on so I don't see it as a diet, just the way I liveThat is a good way of seeing it too as, same here if I am on holiday or get invited for dinner I have have that dinner as well, but the next day I make sure the calorie deficit continues.
I feel my best with carbs like potatoes, rice and pasta and greek yougurt, the difference during summer shredding is the portion sizes now it is alot less, but I always allow for some haribos everyday which I am tracking. I have about 10 gummy bears daily. 1 gummy bear have 8 calories in them
Do you use the 1gram of protein for every 1 lb of bodyweight rule?Yes I do bit not always I also have it at the lowest end of 0.8, do you?
I'm 2 g to 2.5 g per kg
Thus usually 160 g "
I'm at 250g at 110-112kg bodyweight.
More than I need but it helps keep hunger at bay. Even with 4350 calories a day I get hunger pangs |
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"I have always had the view that if you want to maintain a weight that is less than what you weigh now you will need to change the way you eat long term. To do that it needs to be sustainable and it seems to me that drastic reduction in food intake isn't. I don't think that cutting out whole food groups is either but I know that some people do cut carbs completely.Yes and also whilst being on a diet a good tip is to switch from high calorie foods to low calories ones as you would feel fuller on that, still eat high ones but to a minimum. I do that now as well on the summer shredding diet, as a sweet thing at the end of the day I take 2 carrots and grate them, it is very tast too
I feel at my best of I don't eat many carbs so I substitute cauliflower rice for things like pasta,potatoes, rice etc and only eat one slice of bread a day. I usually only eat cake at weekends unless I'm on holiday or I'm a guest in someone's home and they offer me some. This is my normal way of going on so I don't see it as a diet, just the way I liveThat is a good way of seeing it too as, same here if I am on holiday or get invited for dinner I have have that dinner as well, but the next day I make sure the calorie deficit continues.
I feel my best with carbs like potatoes, rice and pasta and greek yougurt, the difference during summer shredding is the portion sizes now it is alot less, but I always allow for some haribos everyday which I am tracking. I have about 10 gummy bears daily. 1 gummy bear have 8 calories in them
Do you use the 1gram of protein for every 1 lb of bodyweight rule?Yes I do bit not always I also have it at the lowest end of 0.8, do you?"
Yeah generally, as closely as I can, some days a little over some days a little under
I don't change protein or fat intake for cutting vs bulking, just vary the carbs, for cutting I eat the same number in grams of carbs as protein, and I double it for bulking, I spread the calories out over 4-5meals a day
I find this works the best for me. |
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"Personally I would agree with what most say for the rest of my weight loss so far. I changed my eating habits and increased my excercise and the weight slowly came off over the space of about 3 years. However the last bit of weight I have wanted to lose has proven extremely stubborn. None of my old tactics worked. I've tried 1600 calories, 1500 and 1400 and it hasn't worked. I've only managed to lose anything with 1200-1300 which most consider crash dieting. I may be a bit different though as I gain weight on 2000 calories which is supposed to be a womens recommended amount. My maintenance is about 1700/1800. In the past 5 years I've been losing weight, I have moved constantly in a downward direction and never put on more than about 3 pounds at any point (apart from after losing weight with the flu). I just got really stuck at the end of the journey. I'm hoping I've cracked it now though. "
I think "the women's recommended" amount is purely a very very blunt approximate for a median average
Its obviously not possible to recommend one figure for all women that would be an idiotic concept
What is rarely mentioned is the maintenance window which does shift
My window at 75 kg is between 2000 and 2400 cal
The body is amazing at changing its activities to match its fuel
I lose fat under 2000 cal add fat over 2500
However if I lose fat my window lowers and when I add it rises
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"Personally I would agree with what most say for the rest of my weight loss so far. I changed my eating habits and increased my excercise and the weight slowly came off over the space of about 3 years. However the last bit of weight I have wanted to lose has proven extremely stubborn. None of my old tactics worked. I've tried 1600 calories, 1500 and 1400 and it hasn't worked. I've only managed to lose anything with 1200-1300 which most consider crash dieting. I may be a bit different though as I gain weight on 2000 calories which is supposed to be a womens recommended amount. My maintenance is about 1700/1800. In the past 5 years I've been losing weight, I have moved constantly in a downward direction and never put on more than about 3 pounds at any point (apart from after losing weight with the flu). I just got really stuck at the end of the journey. I'm hoping I've cracked it now though.
I think "the women's recommended" amount is purely a very very blunt approximate for a median average
Its obviously not possible to recommend one figure for all women that would be an idiotic concept
What is rarely mentioned is the maintenance window which does shift
My window at 75 kg is between 2000 and 2400 cal
The body is amazing at changing its activities to match its fuel
I lose fat under 2000 cal add fat over 2500
However if I lose fat my window lowers and when I add it rises
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Agreed, it just annoys me when I get stick for eating around 1200 a day to be in calorie deficit as its "too extreme" but that's about 500-600 below my maintenance which is really not that crazy. |
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"Personally I would agree with what most say for the rest of my weight loss so far. I changed my eating habits and increased my excercise and the weight slowly came off over the space of about 3 years. However the last bit of weight I have wanted to lose has proven extremely stubborn. None of my old tactics worked. I've tried 1600 calories, 1500 and 1400 and it hasn't worked. I've only managed to lose anything with 1200-1300 which most consider crash dieting. I may be a bit different though as I gain weight on 2000 calories which is supposed to be a womens recommended amount. My maintenance is about 1700/1800. In the past 5 years I've been losing weight, I have moved constantly in a downward direction and never put on more than about 3 pounds at any point (apart from after losing weight with the flu). I just got really stuck at the end of the journey. I'm hoping I've cracked it now though.
I think "the women's recommended" amount is purely a very very blunt approximate for a median average
Its obviously not possible to recommend one figure for all women that would be an idiotic concept
What is rarely mentioned is the maintenance window which does shift
My window at 75 kg is between 2000 and 2400 cal
The body is amazing at changing its activities to match its fuel
I lose fat under 2000 cal add fat over 2500
However if I lose fat my window lowers and when I add it rises
Agreed, it just annoys me when I get stick for eating around 1200 a day to be in calorie deficit as its "too extreme" but that's about 500-600 below my maintenance which is really not that crazy. "
500 cal deficit daily is 3500 weekly ie one lb fat
1200 could be too low it could be perfect depends
If you're losing more than 500 g per week it's too much
However
Ironically personally I struggle to "butter zone"
The mind likes stasis
Thus I find eating low low easy , eating enough tells brain to eat more the psychology is fascinating |
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"I have always had the view that if you want to maintain a weight that is less than what you weigh now you will need to change the way you eat long term. To do that it needs to be sustainable and it seems to me that drastic reduction in food intake isn't. I don't think that cutting out whole food groups is either but I know that some people do cut carbs completely.Yes and also whilst being on a diet a good tip is to switch from high calorie foods to low calories ones as you would feel fuller on that, still eat high ones but to a minimum. I do that now as well on the summer shredding diet, as a sweet thing at the end of the day I take 2 carrots and grate them, it is very tast too
I feel at my best of I don't eat many carbs so I substitute cauliflower rice for things like pasta,potatoes, rice etc and only eat one slice of bread a day. I usually only eat cake at weekends unless I'm on holiday or I'm a guest in someone's home and they offer me some. This is my normal way of going on so I don't see it as a diet, just the way I liveThat is a good way of seeing it too as, same here if I am on holiday or get invited for dinner I have have that dinner as well, but the next day I make sure the calorie deficit continues.
I feel my best with carbs like potatoes, rice and pasta and greek yougurt, the difference during summer shredding is the portion sizes now it is alot less, but I always allow for some haribos everyday which I am tracking. I have about 10 gummy bears daily. 1 gummy bear have 8 calories in them
Do you use the 1gram of protein for every 1 lb of bodyweight rule?Yes I do bit not always I also have it at the lowest end of 0.8, do you?
I'm 2 g to 2.5 g per kg
Thus usually 160 g "
That is good pal. I get about 150g or so a day as well, my main protein intake is from chicken as well. |
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"Personally I would agree with what most say for the rest of my weight loss so far. I changed my eating habits and increased my excercise and the weight slowly came off over the space of about 3 years. However the last bit of weight I have wanted to lose has proven extremely stubborn. None of my old tactics worked. I've tried 1600 calories, 1500 and 1400 and it hasn't worked. I've only managed to lose anything with 1200-1300 which most consider crash dieting. I may be a bit different though as I gain weight on 2000 calories which is supposed to be a womens recommended amount. My maintenance is about 1700/1800. In the past 5 years I've been losing weight, I have moved constantly in a downward direction and never put on more than about 3 pounds at any point (apart from after losing weight with the flu). I just got really stuck at the end of the journey. I'm hoping I've cracked it now though.
I think "the women's recommended" amount is purely a very very blunt approximate for a median average
Its obviously not possible to recommend one figure for all women that would be an idiotic concept
What is rarely mentioned is the maintenance window which does shift
My window at 75 kg is between 2000 and 2400 cal
The body is amazing at changing its activities to match its fuel
I lose fat under 2000 cal add fat over 2500
However if I lose fat my window lowers and when I add it rises
Agreed, it just annoys me when I get stick for eating around 1200 a day to be in calorie deficit as its "too extreme" but that's about 500-600 below my maintenance which is really not that crazy.
500 cal deficit daily is 3500 weekly ie one lb fat
1200 could be too low it could be perfect depends
If you're losing more than 500 g per week it's too much
However
Ironically personally I struggle to "butter zone"
The mind likes stasis
Thus I find eating low low easy , eating enough tells brain to eat more the psychology is fascinating "
I've lost 6 pounds in just over a month so personally its my sweet spot right now.
To be honest that's what got me here. I was always around the same weight until I had pneumonia and lost loads from being too sick to eat. Adjusting to eating again was hard, then my final year of uni happened and before I knew it I was nearly 20kg above my pre pneumonia weight. Slowly been losing it again since I graduated. |
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I've decided to change my life recently - Im tired of looking like a potato!
I started last week - nothing drastic Im doing the 16/8 method.
It's not a diet -I'm having 1200 - 1500ish healthy cals a day ( depending on exercise) but in an 8 hour period.
The other 16 hours I fast.
It feels like it fits in with my life at the moment.
I'm sticking to mainly wholefoods and no booze.
Hopefully I can sustain it.
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"Personally I would agree with what most say for the rest of my weight loss so far. I changed my eating habits and increased my excercise and the weight slowly came off over the space of about 3 years. However the last bit of weight I have wanted to lose has proven extremely stubborn. None of my old tactics worked. I've tried 1600 calories, 1500 and 1400 and it hasn't worked. I've only managed to lose anything with 1200-1300 which most consider crash dieting. I may be a bit different though as I gain weight on 2000 calories which is supposed to be a womens recommended amount. My maintenance is about 1700/1800. In the past 5 years I've been losing weight, I have moved constantly in a downward direction and never put on more than about 3 pounds at any point (apart from after losing weight with the flu). I just got really stuck at the end of the journey. I'm hoping I've cracked it now though.
I think "the women's recommended" amount is purely a very very blunt approximate for a median average
Its obviously not possible to recommend one figure for all women that would be an idiotic concept
What is rarely mentioned is the maintenance window which does shift
My window at 75 kg is between 2000 and 2400 cal
The body is amazing at changing its activities to match its fuel
I lose fat under 2000 cal add fat over 2500
However if I lose fat my window lowers and when I add it rises
Agreed, it just annoys me when I get stick for eating around 1200 a day to be in calorie deficit as its "too extreme" but that's about 500-600 below my maintenance which is really not that crazy. "
Obviously you know your body better than I do, and everyone is different and can respond differently.
I would say however generically that 1200 might be a little low, at 5"7 you'd have to be extremely slim to need to go as low as 1200 to lose weight.
Don't worry about what anyone says about your diet.
I was always a chubby-ish kid, by the time I was 30, I was just under 20st. I had constant back ache and general poor health.
I decided I'd get in better shape
I got loads of stick from friends at workmates for constantly eating 3 meals at work a day of chicken and rice.
I was just a fat guy eating tastless food I didn't enjoy. I think they had written me off, and didn't really expect to see any real change, so saw it as pointless. It helped drive me,I was tired of just being the "funny fat guy" amongst my different social circles
About 18 months after that I became the "jacked guy" of the groups. And all those that mocked my diet now asked me all about it, seriously some took notes in their phones lol
Being extreme in my diet approach was what totally changed my life around,so don't be put off by anyone's comments, just remember they will be VERY interested soon lol
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"I've decided to change my life recently - Im tired of looking like a potato!
I started last week - nothing drastic Im doing the 16/8 method.
It's not a diet -I'm having 1200 - 1500ish healthy cals a day ( depending on exercise) but in an 8 hour period.
The other 16 hours I fast.
It feels like it fits in with my life at the moment.
I'm sticking to mainly wholefoods and no booze.
Hopefully I can sustain it.
"
Good luck!Stick at it, it's really hard, but just a small exercise on self control.
There are loads of ways to diet and have great success,consistency is the key, so whatever fits in with your life that you can maintain will always work the best, so it sounds like this has a good chance of success for you. Drastic changes and food options that are difficult to maintain are the main reason people fail on diets. |
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"I have always had the view that if you want to maintain a weight that is less than what you weigh now you will need to change the way you eat long term. To do that it needs to be sustainable and it seems to me that drastic reduction in food intake isn't. I don't think that cutting out whole food groups is either but I know that some people do cut carbs completely.Yes and also whilst being on a diet a good tip is to switch from high calorie foods to low calories ones as you would feel fuller on that, still eat high ones but to a minimum. I do that now as well on the summer shredding diet, as a sweet thing at the end of the day I take 2 carrots and grate them, it is very tast too
I feel at my best of I don't eat many carbs so I substitute cauliflower rice for things like pasta,potatoes, rice etc and only eat one slice of bread a day. I usually only eat cake at weekends unless I'm on holiday or I'm a guest in someone's home and they offer me some. This is my normal way of going on so I don't see it as a diet, just the way I liveThat is a good way of seeing it too as, same here if I am on holiday or get invited for dinner I have have that dinner as well, but the next day I make sure the calorie deficit continues.
I feel my best with carbs like potatoes, rice and pasta and greek yougurt, the difference during summer shredding is the portion sizes now it is alot less, but I always allow for some haribos everyday which I am tracking. I have about 10 gummy bears daily. 1 gummy bear have 8 calories in them
Do you use the 1gram of protein for every 1 lb of bodyweight rule?Yes I do bit not always I also have it at the lowest end of 0.8, do you?
Yeah generally, as closely as I can, some days a little over some days a little under
I don't change protein or fat intake for cutting vs bulking, just vary the carbs, for cutting I eat the same number in grams of carbs as protein, and I double it for bulking, I spread the calories out over 4-5meals a day
I find this works the best for me."
That is good. I change my fat intake to abit lower as it have high calories. I like my carbs so I raise the intake to about 250g a day. I have noticed that it doesnt feel like dieting this way as I get enough carbs in the deficit, as I do lots of cardio as well on the exersice bike and yoga, how much carbs do you have?
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"I've decided to change my life recently - Im tired of looking like a potato!
I started last week - nothing drastic Im doing the 16/8 method.
It's not a diet -I'm having 1200 - 1500ish healthy cals a day ( depending on exercise) but in an 8 hour period.
The other 16 hours I fast.
It feels like it fits in with my life at the moment.
I'm sticking to mainly wholefoods and no booze.
Hopefully I can sustain it.
Good luck!Stick at it, it's really hard, but just a small exercise on self control.
There are loads of ways to diet and have great success,consistency is the key, so whatever fits in with your life that you can maintain will always work the best, so it sounds like this has a good chance of success for you. Drastic changes and food options that are difficult to maintain are the main reason people fail on diets. "
Thankyou x
Drastic restrictive diets definitely don't work.
I hope to lose around 3 stone.
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"Personally I would agree with what most say for the rest of my weight loss so far. I changed my eating habits and increased my excercise and the weight slowly came off over the space of about 3 years. However the last bit of weight I have wanted to lose has proven extremely stubborn. None of my old tactics worked. I've tried 1600 calories, 1500 and 1400 and it hasn't worked. I've only managed to lose anything with 1200-1300 which most consider crash dieting. I may be a bit different though as I gain weight on 2000 calories which is supposed to be a womens recommended amount. My maintenance is about 1700/1800. In the past 5 years I've been losing weight, I have moved constantly in a downward direction and never put on more than about 3 pounds at any point (apart from after losing weight with the flu). I just got really stuck at the end of the journey. I'm hoping I've cracked it now though.
I think "the women's recommended" amount is purely a very very blunt approximate for a median average
Its obviously not possible to recommend one figure for all women that would be an idiotic concept
What is rarely mentioned is the maintenance window which does shift
My window at 75 kg is between 2000 and 2400 cal
The body is amazing at changing its activities to match its fuel
I lose fat under 2000 cal add fat over 2500
However if I lose fat my window lowers and when I add it rises
Agreed, it just annoys me when I get stick for eating around 1200 a day to be in calorie deficit as its "too extreme" but that's about 500-600 below my maintenance which is really not that crazy.
Obviously you know your body better than I do, and everyone is different and can respond differently.
I would say however generically that 1200 might be a little low, at 5"7 you'd have to be extremely slim to need to go as low as 1200 to lose weight.
Don't worry about what anyone says about your diet.
I was always a chubby-ish kid, by the time I was 30, I was just under 20st. I had constant back ache and general poor health.
I decided I'd get in better shape
I got loads of stick from friends at workmates for constantly eating 3 meals at work a day of chicken and rice.
I was just a fat guy eating tastless food I didn't enjoy. I think they had written me off, and didn't really expect to see any real change, so saw it as pointless. It helped drive me,I was tired of just being the "funny fat guy" amongst my different social circles
About 18 months after that I became the "jacked guy" of the groups. And all those that mocked my diet now asked me all about it, seriously some took notes in their phones lol
Being extreme in my diet approach was what totally changed my life around,so don't be put off by anyone's comments, just remember they will be VERY interested soon lol
"
Believe me, I don't much understand it either. As you say I am above average height. I have been religiously tracking my calories for years though and I gain weight at what is supposed to be the recommended calories for a woman. I have to eat 200-300 less to maintain. At 1200 I am slowly and steadily losing weight. Maybe the pneumonia or not eating properly for months at the time shifted my motabolism. Who knows. |
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"Personally I would agree with what most say for the rest of my weight loss so far. I changed my eating habits and increased my excercise and the weight slowly came off over the space of about 3 years. However the last bit of weight I have wanted to lose has proven extremely stubborn. None of my old tactics worked. I've tried 1600 calories, 1500 and 1400 and it hasn't worked. I've only managed to lose anything with 1200-1300 which most consider crash dieting. I may be a bit different though as I gain weight on 2000 calories which is supposed to be a womens recommended amount. My maintenance is about 1700/1800. In the past 5 years I've been losing weight, I have moved constantly in a downward direction and never put on more than about 3 pounds at any point (apart from after losing weight with the flu). I just got really stuck at the end of the journey. I'm hoping I've cracked it now though.
I think "the women's recommended" amount is purely a very very blunt approximate for a median average
Its obviously not possible to recommend one figure for all women that would be an idiotic concept
What is rarely mentioned is the maintenance window which does shift
My window at 75 kg is between 2000 and 2400 cal
The body is amazing at changing its activities to match its fuel
I lose fat under 2000 cal add fat over 2500
However if I lose fat my window lowers and when I add it rises
Agreed, it just annoys me when I get stick for eating around 1200 a day to be in calorie deficit as its "too extreme" but that's about 500-600 below my maintenance which is really not that crazy.
Obviously you know your body better than I do, and everyone is different and can respond differently.
I would say however generically that 1200 might be a little low, at 5"7 you'd have to be extremely slim to need to go as low as 1200 to lose weight.
Don't worry about what anyone says about your diet.
I was always a chubby-ish kid, by the time I was 30, I was just under 20st. I had constant back ache and general poor health.
I decided I'd get in better shape
I got loads of stick from friends at workmates for constantly eating 3 meals at work a day of chicken and rice.
I was just a fat guy eating tastless food I didn't enjoy. I think they had written me off, and didn't really expect to see any real change, so saw it as pointless. It helped drive me,I was tired of just being the "funny fat guy" amongst my different social circles
About 18 months after that I became the "jacked guy" of the groups. And all those that mocked my diet now asked me all about it, seriously some took notes in their phones lol
Being extreme in my diet approach was what totally changed my life around,so don't be put off by anyone's comments, just remember they will be VERY interested soon lol
Believe me, I don't much understand it either. As you say I am above average height. I have been religiously tracking my calories for years though and I gain weight at what is supposed to be the recommended calories for a woman. I have to eat 200-300 less to maintain. At 1200 I am slowly and steadily losing weight. Maybe the pneumonia or not eating properly for months at the time shifted my motabolism. Who knows. "
There is no recommended calorie for women or men
The concept is idiotic
If you are losing 6 lb a month you are technically under eating
However
However
However
However
However
To attempt to eat the extra 200 cals daily will most likely increase your hunger beyond a point you can control
Thus currently if happy stick to what you understand
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Food is a pleasure, not just a fuel source. Its one of the things that seperates us from other animals. The secret to life? Everything tastes better when fried in butter and double cream added to it. |
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"Personally I would agree with what most say for the rest of my weight loss so far. I changed my eating habits and increased my excercise and the weight slowly came off over the space of about 3 years. However the last bit of weight I have wanted to lose has proven extremely stubborn. None of my old tactics worked. I've tried 1600 calories, 1500 and 1400 and it hasn't worked. I've only managed to lose anything with 1200-1300 which most consider crash dieting. I may be a bit different though as I gain weight on 2000 calories which is supposed to be a womens recommended amount. My maintenance is about 1700/1800. In the past 5 years I've been losing weight, I have moved constantly in a downward direction and never put on more than about 3 pounds at any point (apart from after losing weight with the flu). I just got really stuck at the end of the journey. I'm hoping I've cracked it now though.
I think "the women's recommended" amount is purely a very very blunt approximate for a median average
Its obviously not possible to recommend one figure for all women that would be an idiotic concept
What is rarely mentioned is the maintenance window which does shift
My window at 75 kg is between 2000 and 2400 cal
The body is amazing at changing its activities to match its fuel
I lose fat under 2000 cal add fat over 2500
However if I lose fat my window lowers and when I add it rises
Agreed, it just annoys me when I get stick for eating around 1200 a day to be in calorie deficit as its "too extreme" but that's about 500-600 below my maintenance which is really not that crazy.
Obviously you know your body better than I do, and everyone is different and can respond differently.
I would say however generically that 1200 might be a little low, at 5"7 you'd have to be extremely slim to need to go as low as 1200 to lose weight.
Don't worry about what anyone says about your diet.
I was always a chubby-ish kid, by the time I was 30, I was just under 20st. I had constant back ache and general poor health.
I decided I'd get in better shape
I got loads of stick from friends at workmates for constantly eating 3 meals at work a day of chicken and rice.
I was just a fat guy eating tastless food I didn't enjoy. I think they had written me off, and didn't really expect to see any real change, so saw it as pointless. It helped drive me,I was tired of just being the "funny fat guy" amongst my different social circles
About 18 months after that I became the "jacked guy" of the groups. And all those that mocked my diet now asked me all about it, seriously some took notes in their phones lol
Being extreme in my diet approach was what totally changed my life around,so don't be put off by anyone's comments, just remember they will be VERY interested soon lol
Believe me, I don't much understand it either. As you say I am above average height. I have been religiously tracking my calories for years though and I gain weight at what is supposed to be the recommended calories for a woman. I have to eat 200-300 less to maintain. At 1200 I am slowly and steadily losing weight. Maybe the pneumonia or not eating properly for months at the time shifted my motabolism. Who knows.
There is no recommended calorie for women or men
The concept is idiotic
If you are losing 6 lb a month you are technically under eating
However
However
However
However
However
To attempt to eat the extra 200 cals daily will most likely increase your hunger beyond a point you can control
Thus currently if happy stick to what you understand
"
If I increase my calories by 200 a day, I'd stop losing weight. 1400 is what I was trying for most of the previous year. |
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over a year ago
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"I've decided to change my life recently - Im tired of looking like a potato!
I started last week - nothing drastic Im doing the 16/8 method.
It's not a diet -I'm having 1200 - 1500ish healthy cals a day ( depending on exercise) but in an 8 hour period.
The other 16 hours I fast.
It feels like it fits in with my life at the moment.
I'm sticking to mainly wholefoods and no booze.
Hopefully I can sustain it.
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Good luck Hope you can stick with it |
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"I've decided to change my life recently - Im tired of looking like a potato!
I started last week - nothing drastic Im doing the 16/8 method.
It's not a diet -I'm having 1200 - 1500ish healthy cals a day ( depending on exercise) but in an 8 hour period.
The other 16 hours I fast.
It feels like it fits in with my life at the moment.
I'm sticking to mainly wholefoods and no booze.
Hopefully I can sustain it.
Good luck Hope you can stick with it "
Thankyou x
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"I've decided to change my life recently - Im tired of looking like a potato!
I started last week - nothing drastic Im doing the 16/8 method.
It's not a diet -I'm having 1200 - 1500ish healthy cals a day ( depending on exercise) but in an 8 hour period.
The other 16 hours I fast.
It feels like it fits in with my life at the moment.
I'm sticking to mainly wholefoods and no booze.
Hopefully I can sustain it.
Good luck Hope you can stick with it
Thankyou x
I hope so too - it's going well so far."
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"Whilst yes you could lose alot initially but you would gain it all back because it is not sustainable in the long run, a nice steady approach is better and there is no set time for how long it will take is it is different from person to person, what is your view on this?"
You eat haribos ............ |
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"Whilst yes you could lose alot initially but you would gain it all back because it is not sustainable in the long run, a nice steady approach is better and there is no set time for how long it will take is it is different from person to person, what is your view on this?
You eat haribos ............"
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Diet has always been a very negative word for me I’ve been at both ends I’ve struggled with a eating disorder and I’ve also spent a lot of time comfort eating .3 years ago I decided I needed to take control once and for all.
I’ve always had a very unhealthy relationship with food and I had always associated the word diet with eating hardly anything and always being hungry and miserable.I joined slimming world and learnt instead of using the word diet I simply would say lifestyle change and something as simple as that really helped me get motivated..
I’ve lost 11 stone in 3 years I’m still not where I want to be yet and I still have days where I feel fat and low and I still buy clothes in sizes that I would have worn before I lost the weight..physically I’m almost there and as frustrating as it is I thought once I lost the weight my issues around food would get better overnight .
It’s a work in progress and I’m determined one day I will be able to eat a meal and enjoy it without feeling guilty or wanting to rush off to toilet to get rid of that guilty feeling something I have not done for over 10 years but is always there at the back of my mind... |
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"I've decided to change my life recently - Im tired of looking like a potato!
I started last week - nothing drastic Im doing the 16/8 method.
It's not a diet -I'm having 1200 - 1500ish healthy cals a day ( depending on exercise) but in an 8 hour period.
The other 16 hours I fast.
It feels like it fits in with my life at the moment.
I'm sticking to mainly wholefoods and no booze.
Hopefully I can sustain it.
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Good luck and that is what a diet should do as well, to fit around your lifestyle |
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"Diet has always been a very negative word for me I’ve been at both ends I’ve struggled with a eating disorder and I’ve also spent a lot of time comfort eating .3 years ago I decided I needed to take control once and for all.
I’ve always had a very unhealthy relationship with food and I had always associated the word diet with eating hardly anything and always being hungry and miserable.I joined slimming world and learnt instead of using the word diet I simply would say lifestyle change and something as simple as that really helped me get motivated..
I’ve lost 11 stone in 3 years I’m still not where I want to be yet and I still have days where I feel fat and low and I still buy clothes in sizes that I would have worn before I lost the weight..physically I’m almost there and as frustrating as it is I thought once I lost the weight my issues around food would get better overnight .
It’s a work in progress and I’m determined one day I will be able to eat a meal and enjoy it without feeling guilty or wanting to rush off to toilet to get rid of that guilty feeling something I have not done for over 10 years but is always there at the back of my mind..."
You've done brilliantly, well done!! 
I have learned it never goes away. It will always be there. An 'issue' with food. It doesn't bother me anymore. I gain, I lose. It's ok. I found there is no 'end' so I don't beat myself up about it. It has made life easier.
Hope you find your point of peace too. X |
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"Whilst yes you could lose alot initially but you would gain it all back because it is not sustainable in the long run, a nice steady approach is better and there is no set time for how long it will take is it is different from person to person, what is your view on this?"
I disagree. I lost 6st on a milkshake very low calorie diet in just 6 months and I kept it off for 10 years. It worked for me. It was very quick and very extreme. |
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"I've decided to change my life recently - Im tired of looking like a potato!
I started last week - nothing drastic Im doing the 16/8 method.
It's not a diet -I'm having 1200 - 1500ish healthy cals a day ( depending on exercise) but in an 8 hour period.
The other 16 hours I fast.
It feels like it fits in with my life at the moment.
I'm sticking to mainly wholefoods and no booze.
Hopefully I can sustain it.
Good luck and that is what a diet should do as well, to fit around your lifestyle "
Thanks Shag - I feel like this is sustainable for the long term.
Maybe after some weight loss I can have a glass of wine or 2 on weekends - but not yet. |
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"its not about diets its about a healthy lifestyle which can be maintained. "
Exercise, portion control, eat sensibly. There, never once said diet and lost over two stone! |
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A lot of the problems for people who struggle with weight loss is what’s going on upstairs in the brain. Many people have an emotional attachment to food, so it becomes a crutch to prop up their feelings.
Also, for people going for crash diets etc, the fact they’re looking for shortcuts suggests they’re not committed. They want the results but aren’t prepared to put the effort in, so they’re doomed to failure before they even start.
I’m lucky in that for the most part, food is just fuel to me. (Everyone loves a treat though)
I realised a while ago that if I wanted to achieve anything I needed strong will power, which I had to develop over time and it’s worked.
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"I've decided to change my life recently - Im tired of looking like a potato!
I started last week - nothing drastic Im doing the 16/8 method.
It's not a diet -I'm having 1200 - 1500ish healthy cals a day ( depending on exercise) but in an 8 hour period.
The other 16 hours I fast.
It feels like it fits in with my life at the moment.
I'm sticking to mainly wholefoods and no booze.
Hopefully I can sustain it.
Good luck and that is what a diet should do as well, to fit around your lifestyle
Thanks Shag - I feel like this is sustainable for the long term.
Maybe after some weight loss I can have a glass of wine or 2 on weekends - but not yet."
That is good it feels like that snd yes after a time you could have that or what I do which is to have a refeed day once a week which I have on a saturday, it is not x big surplus just 300 calories extra, cos the bigger the surplus is the more days it sets you back so longer it will take to reach the goal |
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"I've decided to change my life recently - Im tired of looking like a potato!
I started last week - nothing drastic Im doing the 16/8 method.
It's not a diet -I'm having 1200 - 1500ish healthy cals a day ( depending on exercise) but in an 8 hour period.
The other 16 hours I fast.
It feels like it fits in with my life at the moment.
I'm sticking to mainly wholefoods and no booze.
Hopefully I can sustain it.
Good luck and that is what a diet should do as well, to fit around your lifestyle
Thanks Shag - I feel like this is sustainable for the long term.
Maybe after some weight loss I can have a glass of wine or 2 on weekends - but not yet.That is good it feels like that snd yes after a time you could have that or what I do which is to have a refeed day once a week which I have on a saturday, it is not x big surplus just 300 calories extra, cos the bigger the surplus is the more days it sets you back so longer it will take to reach the goal "
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