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"One of the most important things the coalition is trying to do (for me personally )is to address the issue of trolling and updating the laws concerning online defamation to try to stop it. Great idea and commendable they are at least trying ,but is it really possible and if so, what do you think the penalties should be for a convicted offenders. ?" 
if someone takes their life due to extreme trolling... manslaughter or something similar
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" if someone takes their life due to extreme trolling... manslaughter or something similar otherwise fines and community service" As well meaning as that may well be I am not sure if that would work.. You are going to have to define extreme trolling for a start... If I was to say to _iew for example "fuck off and die!" and he was to commit suicide, would I be held responsible? | |||
" if someone takes their life due to extreme trolling... manslaughter or something similar otherwise fines and community service As well meaning as that may well be I am not sure if that would work.. You are going to have to define extreme trolling for a start... If I was to say to _iew for example "fuck off and die!" and he was to commit suicide, would I be held responsible?" totally agree... very difficult to define but there needs to be different levels depending on degree of impact. | |||
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"whilst an admirable sentiment, I think this is a smokescreen to slowly introduce the idea of a "regulated internet" -ie everything is spied on." Of course it is. And also to distract people from real issues going on in the UK: health service privatised, disabled people victimised, young people ill educated and abandoned, etc, etc, etc. Far easier to wield a big stick against some idiots on the internet and take people's mind off the way the country is being steadily wrecked. | |||
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"whilst an admirable sentiment, I think this is a smokescreen to slowly introduce the idea of a "regulated internet" -ie everything is spied on. Of course it is. And also to distract people from real issues going on in the UK: health service privatised, disabled people victimised, young people ill educated and abandoned, etc, etc, etc. Far easier to wield a big stick against some idiots on the internet and take people's mind off the way the country is being steadily wrecked." | |||
"whilst an admirable sentiment, I think this is a smokescreen to slowly introduce the idea of a "regulated internet" -ie everything is spied on." If the general populace can't be trusted to use the internet properly then it has ot be regulated so that people can go online and not feel threatened. Extreme cases of trolling have ruined people's lives and spilled over into offline harassment. All ISPs are required to keep data regarding which account is using a particular IP address at a given time and date and that info is matched to times and dates of offences committed. It's like leaving a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. | |||
"One of the most important things the coalition is trying to do (for me personally )is to address the issue of trolling and updating the laws concerning online defamation to try to stop it. Great idea and commendable they are at least trying ,but is it really possible and if so, what do you think the penalties should be for a convicted offenders. ?" Call in Super (Bill) Goat Gruff. 
Prevention is better than cure.
Sites need to be obliged by law to take responsiblity and stop trollers from posting. | |||
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"whilst an admirable sentiment, I think this is a smokescreen to slowly introduce the idea of a "regulated internet" -ie everything is spied on. If the general populace can't be trusted to use the internet properly then it has ot be regulated so that people can go online and not feel threatened. Extreme cases of trolling have ruined people's lives and spilled over into offline harassment. All ISPs are required to keep data regarding which account is using a particular IP address at a given time and date and that info is matched to times and dates of offences committed. It's like leaving a fingerprint at the scene of a crime." unfortunately its not that simple wishy ,if it were ,we would be regulated to death by now. An ip number can be spun ,and or taken over by a third party to do evil deeds ,vpn's can be bought with no money trail ,encrypted onion skin servers can mask a trail no one can find. Regarding the Trolling if its a group troll using zombie networks how can you ever identify the true perpetrator ,i just think its a great sentiment but unworkable tbh. | |||
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"Trolling is a cowards way of insulting someone..lock them up" Can you get locked up for insulting someone face to face? Genuine question btw. Dont know much about it but surely whatever is an offence face to face should be the same if someone is sat behind a keyboard, and the other way around... | |||
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"whilst an admirable sentiment, I think this is a smokescreen to slowly introduce the idea of a "regulated internet" -ie everything is spied on. If the general populace can't be trusted to use the internet properly then it has ot be regulated so that people can go online and not feel threatened. Extreme cases of trolling have ruined people's lives and spilled over into offline harassment. All ISPs are required to keep data regarding which account is using a particular IP address at a given time and date and that info is matched to times and dates of offences committed. It's like leaving a fingerprint at the scene of a crime." first time i have agreed with what wishy says | |||
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" if someone takes their life due to extreme trolling... manslaughter or something similar otherwise fines and community service As well meaning as that may well be I am not sure if that would work.. You are going to have to define extreme trolling for a start... If I was to say to _iew for example "fuck off and die!" and he was to commit suicide, would I be held responsible?" Trolling was defined on the news this evening as defamatory and slanderous comments, they told a story of a women who was accused of being a pedo and other such comments on Facebook and it took a court order to find out who the perp was. Also a young girl who was hounded out of school and forced to move from the south to the north east. Punishment its self! sorry couldn't resist! lol It's like these sick b'tards who go on memorial sites and right disgusting comments! Punishment should be as harsh as possible! On another piece of good news I saw that 2 people suspected of taking the plaque commemorating the death of those young boys have been arrested! The plaque has been recovered in damaged!! | |||
" if someone takes their life due to extreme trolling... manslaughter or something similar otherwise fines and community service As well meaning as that may well be I am not sure if that would work.. You are going to have to define extreme trolling for a start... If I was to say to _iew for example "fuck off and die!" and he was to commit suicide, would I be held responsible?" Trolling was defined on the news this evening as defamatory and slanderous comments, they told a story of a women who was accused of being a pedo and other such comments on Facebook and it took a court order to find out who the perp was. Also a young girl who was hounded out of school and forced to move from the south to the north east. Punishment its self! sorry couldn't resist! lol It's like these sick b'tards who go on memorial sites and right disgusting comments! Punishment should be as harsh as possible! On another piece of good news I saw that 2 people suspected of taking the plaque commemorating the death of those young boys have been arrested! The plaque has been recovered un damaged!! | |||
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" The hounding of people until they kill themselves isn't trivial, but it doesn't need the Govt to get involved. If people didn't feel the need to post up every aspect of their life online, maybe they wouldn't become such easy targets. Why legislate to "protect" people who have no common sense? Why not encourage them to switch the PC off if they can't handle what people are saying about them? Are the Govt going to define all the terms that might cause offence? Calling you a spastic might not be much of an insult, and much favoured by kids, but if you have a spastic in your family, you might be more sensitive. Perhaps it would be safer for all arguments and differences to be outlawed online, just to be on the safe side? Life is tough, people are nasty to others, in real life and online. Toughen up and avoid becoming a target, simple as that. " So you're saying that its ok for people to cyber bully others? That it's the fault of the person for being dumb enough to be trolled? So people who get bullied in real life thats their own fault for leaving the house? Thats an attitude I just can't agree with sorry. The government has just caught up these past few years with how big an impact the internet has on most peoples life. Not only that but how badly regulated it is. I bet you could think of anything that might be considered taboo, put it in a google search and find it. Some topics would probably get you a visit from the cops once they had tracked your IP. It might not be some old lady having her purse snatched but cyber crime is still crime. | |||
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"Trolling is a cowards way of insulting someone..lock them up" not sure thay can lock everyone up but the ones who make peoples life hell and keep doing it and theres no let up need sorting out as can lead to all sorts of things if not stopped . I am glad theres going to be more help out there ... x | |||
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"Thinking about it, as there is no motive as such, except to do damage to a stranger ,surely this should be a mental health issue with sectioning for persistent offenders,just do not think you can catch and prove who it is, at the moment." offs pleasure please lol...having worked with people with mental health issues, its always been the case that those with 'actual' mental health problems fare less around those with shitfuck all wrong with them. people can be cunts(possibly all their lives)....thats just the harsh truth | |||
"Thinking about it, as there is no motive as such, except to do damage to a stranger ,surely this should be a mental health issue with sectioning for persistent offenders,just do not think you can catch and prove who it is, at the moment. offs pleasure please lol...having worked with people with mental health issues, its always been the case that those with 'actual' mental health problems fare less around those with shitfuck all wrong with them. people can be cunts(possibly all their lives)....thats just the harsh truth" Hi am a cunt i like irritating people online...it makes me feel great annoying people...even to the point that they get so low that they possibly take their lives...its not my fault...Ive an illness.. I'm a trollopath | |||
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"can I just clarify? are we talking mild trolling, trolling, heavy trolling or extreme trolling here?" Extreme trolling with robson green....its really about fishing tho | |||
 ). Over the next weeks and months, her facebook profile was duplicated and people were commenting on "her" timeline. They said she was a peodophile and was a danger to children. There were multiple profiles, all with pictures of her.
Facebook have now been told to supply the information of those responsible, but it may be that this will not happen in full...
I shall have an even bigger smile on my face now, when someone on here accuses others of trolling, they don't know the half of it if they get upset by any of the comments on here...  | |||
"Thinking about it, as there is no motive as such, except to do damage to a stranger ,surely this should be a mental health issue with sectioning for persistent offenders,just do not think you can catch and prove who it is, at the moment." That is such a good idea, we can then give them benefits! Put em on long term sick as well... They are NOT sick, they are trouble makers! They are people who are brave behind a keyboard and think they can't be found! Keyboard Warriors, short and simple! You posts are normally what some would call "avant garde". Sometimes it even looks like a bit of lightweight trolling, but this one is just daft! | |||
"As an update to my earlier comment, there was a lady on BBC Breakfast who was a victim of "Trolling". Before I saw this piece, I would have said that people should grow thicker skins and lets just have the laws we have now.. However... This lady, in a gentle way, stuck up for someone in a forum about X-Factor. (No it's not her fault for being so silly as to be on an X-Factor forum! ). Over the next weeks and months, her facebook profile was duplicated and people were commenting on "her" timeline. They said she was a peodophile and was a danger to children. There were multiple profiles, all with pictures of her.
Facebook have now been told to supply the information of those responsible, but it may be that this will not happen in full...
I shall have an even bigger smile on my face now, when someone on here accuses others of trolling, they don't know the half of it if they get upset by any of the comments on here... "yes thay was on about this on my local radio .... now i love x-factor and yes some dont but theres no need for them to do that ..... this is going to open up all sorts ... i am sure we will be seeing it in papers and news .. some have killed themselfs over stuff on net .... its has to have some sort of control. | |||
"whilst an admirable sentiment, I think this is a smokescreen to slowly introduce the idea of a "regulated internet" -ie everything is spied on. If the general populace can't be trusted to use the internet properly then it has ot be regulated so that people can go online and not feel threatened. Extreme cases of trolling have ruined people's lives and spilled over into offline harassment. All ISPs are required to keep data regarding which account is using a particular IP address at a given time and date and that info is matched to times and dates of offences committed. It's like leaving a fingerprint at the scene of a crime." But it should be the ISP's job to regulate and controll the input from the user. If someone is being harrased by someone else, the ISP should be able to block use from the person who is harrasing.......... I don't agree with regulating the internet user...... I agree with the comment that it is a distraction from the real calamity unfolding in front of us......... | |||
"Trolling is a cowards way of insulting someone..lock them up Can you get locked up for insulting someone face to face? Genuine question btw. Dont know much about it but surely whatever is an offence face to face should be the same if someone is sat behind a keyboard, and the other way around..." Yes, I believe you can..... I forget which section it is is, but there was a young man who was arrested because he made a comment about a police horse. The copper arrested him and he was held in remand untill the magistrate dismissed the charge........ There is a big group of policio's trying to get that act ammended...... | |||
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"We already have laws covering this we don't need more. If its illegal to do in everyday life it's already illegal on the Internet. The word trolling is being misused. What the cases in the news are is bullying and harassment and not trolling. Trolling is essentially annoying someone with stupid questions and statements, not being threatening." Run that by me again will yer? Ta. | |||
"We already have laws covering this we don't need more. If its illegal to do in everyday life it's already illegal on the Internet. The word trolling is being misused. What the cases in the news are is bullying and harassment and not trolling. Trolling is essentially annoying someone with stupid questions and statements, not being threatening. Run that by me again will yer? Ta. "See your getting the hang of it  | |||
"We already have laws covering this we don't need more. If its illegal to do in everyday life it's already illegal on the Internet. The word trolling is being misused. What the cases in the news are is bullying and harassment and not trolling. Trolling is essentially annoying someone with stupid questions and statements, not being threatening. Run that by me again will yer? Ta.
See your getting the hang of it" | |||
"Thinking about it, as there is no motive as such, except to do damage to a stranger ,surely this should be a mental health issue with sectioning for persistent offenders,just do not think you can catch and prove who it is, at the moment. That is such a good idea, we can then give them benefits! Put em on long term sick as well... They are NOT sick, they are trouble makers! They are people who are brave behind a keyboard and think they can't be found! Keyboard Warriors, short and simple! You posts are normally what some would call "avant garde". Sometimes it even looks like a bit of lightweight trolling, but this one is just daft! "That's funny i was thinking the same of many of your posts,must be that thing we call opinion 
i think we both know that at no time did i advocate, treating these people with kid gloves.
However to clarify,you seem to resent the support people with mental illness get,how can you say THEY are this and THEY are that, how many do you know ,how many have you studied,
psychoanalyzed ,are you even qualified ?
I have no sympathy at all for what troller's do, believe me i have witnessed the results, but remember Homosexuality used to be classed as a mental illness until we found out better.
You may well be right about Troller's, but I like to keep an open mind ,preferring to form an opinion based on facts rather than knee jerk opinion. | |||
"whilst an admirable sentiment, I think this is a smokescreen to slowly introduce the idea of a "regulated internet" -ie everything is spied on. Of course it is. And also to distract people from real issues going on in the UK: health service privatised, disabled people victimised, young people ill educated and abandoned, etc, etc, etc. Far easier to wield a big stick against some idiots on the internet and take people's mind off the way the country is being steadily wrecked." Spot on!! Just as with the £billions being spent to get all of our data from the internet - the new law the tories are pushing in, which we the taxpayer are now going to have to pay, when apparently there was no money to pay for anything else, hence the cuts! It's largely smokescreens being set-off, so that people are distracted through losing their liberties and all the wonderful institutions we have which are being degraded so much. Goebels et al knew all the tricks to mass propaganda, and we're being tricked with more of it. | |||
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"Trolls are people who disrupt internet chat, taking things off course, they're not the people who spew hatred etc and hound people. Any intimidation, bullying etc is just plain wrong, and should be constrained. The internet's probably so global and free that I don't think governments will have much success with stopping chat being railroaded by trolls though. Seems more like a right wing Republican type of stunt to push this through, or appeasement of daily mail readers." That was my understanding of "trolling" also but it seems there is either a grey area or people have different concepts. Either way, intimidation, bullying, harrassment and stalking are wrong and should be dealt with. I am not sure that doing so in practice is as easy as we would like it to be. | |||
"whilst an admirable sentiment, I think this is a smokescreen to slowly introduce the idea of a "regulated internet" -ie everything is spied on. If the general populace can't be trusted to use the internet properly then it has ot be regulated so that people can go online and not feel threatened. Extreme cases of trolling have ruined people's lives and spilled over into offline harassment. All ISPs are required to keep data regarding which account is using a particular IP address at a given time and date and that info is matched to times and dates of offences committed. It's like leaving a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. But it should be the ISP's job to regulate and controll the input from the user. If someone is being harrased by someone else, the ISP should be able to block use from the person who is harrasing.......... I don't agree with regulating the internet user...... I agree with the comment that it is a distraction from the real calamity unfolding in front of us........." I agree with you ,it should be the ISP's job ,but they can not do it. If you encrypt traffic coming from your pc and route it via a virtual private network ,bounce it on to one of the many underground black networks (as many serial trollers) do now, its impossible for your ISP to find out what that traffic is, also to find them and prove it was them, even worse if they use a zombie network or hack an individual account ,the innocent can be accused. | |||
"whilst an admirable sentiment, I think this is a smokescreen to slowly introduce the idea of a "regulated internet" -ie everything is spied on. Of course it is. And also to distract people from real issues going on in the UK: health service privatised, disabled people victimised, young people ill educated and abandoned, etc, etc, etc. Far easier to wield a big stick against some idiots on the internet and take people's mind off the way the country is being steadily wrecked. Spot on!! Just as with the £billions being spent to get all of our data from the internet - the new law the tories are pushing in, which we the taxpayer are now going to have to pay, when apparently there was no money to pay for anything else, hence the cuts! It's largely smokescreens being set-off, so that people are distracted through losing their liberties and all the wonderful institutions we have which are being degraded so much. Goebels et al knew all the tricks to mass propaganda, and we're being tricked with more of it." | |||
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" How long would trolls last if..... people simply ignored the bait and moved on? " You just been hiding under pd's bridge? | |||
" How long would trolls last if..... people simply ignored the bait and moved on? " Its a good point mushy, but the high profile cases are pretty sick ,by design of course... The emotions must be massive and difficult to cope with, if you set up a memorial page for a departed family member or close friend as part of the healing process and some one verbally craps all over it. The BP must go through the roof , | |||
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" How long would trolls last if..... people simply ignored the bait and moved on? Its a good point mushy, but the high profile cases are pretty sick ,by design of course... The emotions must be massive and difficult to cope with, if you set up a memorial page for a departed family member or close friend as part of the healing process and some one verbally craps all over it. The BP must go through the roof ," I have been trying to troll this thread and not been successful I hate being ignored, not just you but Mushy too... | |||
" How long would trolls last if..... people simply ignored the bait and moved on? " But that would be sensible. Can't have people being sensible. Our whole way of life would come crashing down. | |||
" How long would trolls last if..... people simply ignored the bait and moved on? Its a good point mushy, but the high profile cases are pretty sick ,by design of course... The emotions must be massive and difficult to cope with, if you set up a memorial page for a departed family member or close friend as part of the healing process and some one verbally craps all over it. The BP must go through the roof , I have been trying to troll this thread and not been successful I hate being ignored, not just you but Mushy too... "we know you are | |||
" How long would trolls last if..... people simply ignored the bait and moved on? But that would be sensible. Can't have people being sensible. Our whole way of life would come crashing down. " | |||
" its the DONT GIVE A FUCK society- which is mainly bred from horrible people(u cant cure this) " Its more akin to why people from good backgrounds and good jobs joined the looting and rioting last year. Physical anonymity makes people behave in ways they might not normally do so. After a bit of searching I found this "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect" which also explains why people troll. This suggests that the way to stop it is remove people's anonymity..... | |||
" its the DONT GIVE A FUCK society- which is mainly bred from horrible people(u cant cure this) Its more akin to why people from good backgrounds and good jobs joined the looting and rioting last year. Physical anonymity makes people behave in ways they might not normally do so. After a bit of searching I found this "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect" which also explains why people troll. This suggests that the way to stop it is remove people's anonymity....." or burn the word 'TROLL' on their forehead | |||
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" How long would trolls last if..... people simply ignored the bait and moved on? " While simple in design you're talking about emotions, which I'm sure everyone will agree are not always that easy to ignore. You should also consider the damage this could do to the idividuals personal and proffesional lives and reputations. A troll is written as being an ugly creature and I consider trolling as an ugly act. Trolls hide in caves and these people hide behind that anonymity of the Internet. The guardian has an interesting article "what is an Internet troll" dated 12/6 The trolls will still be able to post their 'comments' but now the bullied/victim will be able to trace them and prosecute. | |||
