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New BLM statue in Bristol

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

A prominent Black Lives Matter activist has had a resin statue of herself doing a black power pose installed in place of Edward Culston’s statue. Bristol Council has said they were not asked for permission to do this and claim to have no knowledge about it, but the reality is, they will not even dare thinking about removing the statue in the current climate. What do you guys think about it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I like it. I think they should keep it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I like it. I think they should keep it. "

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Don’t bother me.

But putting a statue up of your self is a bit cheeky/vain

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Don’t bother me.

But putting a statue up of your self is a bit cheeky/vain

Yeah I thought that to be honest.

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By *appytrailmanMan over a year ago

Manchester

Not opposed to the idea if put through the correct streams but until it is approved it should be removed and held I storage personally, might not be a popular thing to say but basically it's the same as unlicensed graffiti in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's OK until someone finds something out about her which would be deemed unacceptable.

Should be something neutral. I don't believe there should be any statues of people at all.

Today's heroes are tomorrow's villains and vice versa.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Don’t bother me.

But putting a statue up of your self is a bit cheeky/vain

She didn’t put it up the sculptor did, she just got the photo

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

She didn't commission the work, she's just the subject after being pictured on the plinth when Coulson was pulled down.

And I absolutely love it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

sadly i fear it will become a target as there are 2 or more sides to this sadly hopefully not though would be good to replace the original with the story that removed it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Here’s a link to an article

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/15/edward-colston-statue-replaced-by-sculpture-of-black-lives-matter-protester?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Love it!

Think it should stay...but it won't. It will be removed eventually.

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By *edhead72Man over a year ago

Cheltenham and Ashby

Perhaps it should change on a regular basis with the BLM theme?

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By *KMaxMan over a year ago

Bristol

That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

While I understand it probably wasnt appropriate to have a statue of someone who profited from the slave trade in our city centre, I reckon most Bristolians would have struggled to tell you where it was, or even knew of its existence a couple of months ago, let alone be offended by it.

I'm sure the artist thinks his work is thought provoking or some such bollocks, in reality it will cause more problems in a city, that until Colstons statue was pulled down, was a pretty chilled, very diverse, peaceful city.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Perhaps it should change on a regular basis with the BLM theme? "

Disagree. Changed regularly like the 4th plinth in Trafalgar Square but not on a particular theme. Use it to highlight lesser or unknown artists if anything.

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Travelling

The reason behind it I'm all for. It has meaning and is focused on an ideal, not for the vanity and almost self gratification of an individual (regardless of what the reason they are being honoured is).

The way it has been put there I do not agree with. I think a new statue, should go through official channels and be placed there though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

So the original statue should've remained? Cos most Bristolians didn't know anything about it?

Don't you see, that's the problem? We should know this history! People should be offended that that statue was there!

This change needed to happen!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Perhaps it should change on a regular basis with the BLM theme?

Disagree. Changed regularly like the 4th plinth in Trafalgar Square but not on a particular theme. Use it to highlight lesser or unknown artists if anything. "

Brilliant idea! Local black artists perhaps?

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Ah I see. Not that cheeky then.

I’m sure wherever it goes it will be ok. I doubt it will remain there for long.

Hopefully someone doesn't chuck it in the dock.

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By *kyblue1878Couple over a year ago

Southport

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

Wise words. If Bristol was my home city I wouldn't be happy with this statue at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The reason behind it I'm all for. It has meaning and is focused on an ideal, not for the vanity and almost self gratification of an individual (regardless of what the reason they are being honoured is).

The way it has been put there I do not agree with. I think a new statue, should go through official channels and be placed there though. "

It is meant to keep the conversation going. I don’t know whether you’ve read the article but the artist sees it as temporary anyway. The official process takes a long time. The symbolic act and its meaning on multiple levels is what I think is important.

The toppling of that statue was potentially a key transformational moment in our history in my view.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

It just be another target for yobs and just like today's celebrities, the press will already be doing their research on the poor woman. Any skeletons will be found sadly and exposed. Morons vandalised JK Rowling's hand prints last week. It might be better for it to be an androgenous statue.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Perhaps it should change on a regular basis with the BLM theme?

Disagree. Changed regularly like the 4th plinth in Trafalgar Square but not on a particular theme. Use it to highlight lesser or unknown artists if anything.

Brilliant idea! Local black artists perhaps?

To start with but over time should be open to all. The only restriction should be to keep it local to Bristol and the area.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It just be another target for yobs and just like today's celebrities, the press will already be doing their research on the poor woman. Any skeletons will be found sadly and exposed. Morons vandalised JK Rowling's hand prints last week. It might be better for it to be an androgenous statue. "

You always have an interesting perspective Tom

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By *m3232Man over a year ago

maidenhead

"A prominent Black Lives Matter activist has had a resin statue of herself doing a black power pose installed in place of Edward Culston’s statue. Bristol Council has said they were not asked for permission to do this and claim to have no knowledge about it, but the reality is, they will not even dare thinking about removing the statue in the current climate. What do you guys think about it? "

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

Of whom a large percentage had of course long campaigned for it's removal

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive "

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

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By *m3232Man over a year ago

maidenhead

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?"

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Travelling

The way it has been put there I do not agree with. I think a new statue, should go through official channels and be placed there though.

The toppling of that statue was potentially a key transformational moment in our history in my view."

To which I agree with, but it should be removed now. The act was done, the act got some media attention, so it can be removed now as it should be.

Officials should not be scared to remove it, which is my point. Its meaning was great, but it was put up with no official confirmation or authorisation. I'd be saying the exact same thing regardless of what the cause or meaning of any statue in this situation. But certainly have a new statue put up in its place with similar meaning.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

I'm finding this thread interesting so let's not get it shutdown just yet.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

An advantage ? You really haven’t got a clue

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Should Banksy's unauthorised illegal art just be painted over too? There are precedents, including in Bristol of unauthorised art being left in place

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Am going down in a van tonight to take it down ! Lolol

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By *oldswarriorMan over a year ago

Falkirk

It not a bad statue actually.

But why not go through the official channels and have it endorsed by the people of the city?

It has been erected illegally, so it's only a matter of time before its removed.

Thats unless it draws negative attention and is pulled down similar to the previous statue.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I love it! I’d like it to stay.

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By *kyblue1878Couple over a year ago

Southport

"Should Banksy's unauthorised illegal art just be painted over too? There are precedents, including in Bristol of unauthorised art being left in place "

Art/ criminal damage/ graffiti/ both ? It's a matter of opinion. I wouldn't want any so called artist painting our house without permission. What he is alleged to have done inside a tube train recently is criminal damage, full stop.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I suspect it will be taken down as it sets a bad precedence, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went back up again in the future with some sort of official permission.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

Wow

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

It will many different things to many different people. To some it will mark an iconic moment, to others it celebrates criminal damage..

To most I expect it will be today's newspapers and tomorrow's chip wrappings... I believe that the overwhelming majority of people don't give a flying monkeys.... Most just want to get on with their own lives....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The way it has been put there I do not agree with. I think a new statue, should go through official channels and be placed there though.

The toppling of that statue was potentially a key transformational moment in our history in my view.

To which I agree with, but it should be removed now. The act was done, the act got some media attention, so it can be removed now as it should be.

From a law and order perspective I can understand that. I agree the process of putting another statue with appropriate meaning in its place should continue and I think it can stay there because it has much more meaning than a vacant plinth especially if the official process is slow.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It will many different things to many different people. To some it will mark an iconic moment, to others it celebrates criminal damage..

Which one is your perspective Tom?

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"It will many different things to many different people. To some it will mark an iconic moment, to others it celebrates criminal damage..

Which one is your perspective Tom?"

My personal perspecy is this...

I don't give a rat's arse for any statue from Bristol to Bagdad. I am so insular and self absorbed that I never see outwards, only inwards to my self centred old bones... I don't see life through a telescope.. I only see it in the mirror....Well you did ask...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

So the original statue should've remained? Cos most Bristolians didn't know anything about it?

Don't you see, that's the problem? We should know this history! People should be offended that that statue was there!

This change needed to happen!"

But how does bringing up the past ‘we all should know’ help us to move forward? I think race relations haven’t been worse since the Steven Lawrence case because of how divisive it’s been and the goals of the BLM organisation. Also, if we are to learn this history, will we also be taught that those slaves were also sold by fellow Africans from rival tribes? Will we be taught that the first owner of slaves in America was a black guy. I suspect not. The rhetoric seems to be very much filled with anti-white sentiment and I don’t think we can every sort differences out when we have elements of the BLM movement calling white people the devil and not being called to task on it, and them seeking to defund the police while in the same breath saying they don’t actually mean they want to defund the police lol. Also, the stated goal which was on BLM website until 3 weeks ago was the abolishment of capitalism and socialism to be put in its place. I’d like to ask them where on Earth socialism has lifted millions out of poverty. In fact, socialism is more associated with poverty by far. And no, Scandinavia isn’t socialist so that doesn’t count.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It will many different things to many different people. To some it will mark an iconic moment, to others it celebrates criminal damage..

Which one is your perspective Tom?

My personal perspecy is this...

Interesting but I’m not convinced that is the ‘whole’ truth either

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

So the original statue should've remained? Cos most Bristolians didn't know anything about it?

Don't you see, that's the problem? We should know this history! People should be offended that that statue was there!

This change needed to happen!

I agree with much of what you've said. However, for me, it all needs to me taught. We need to know our history to make our futures better.

I fear you're right tho, there's always a bias.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A simple attempt to goad the uneducated into a reaction. Illegally erected and will be torn down by the Neanderthals by the weekend as the local councils won’t have the stones to do it themselves.

In my opinion the plinth should remain empty. That way it will serve as a reminder that racism will not be tolerated for future generations to come.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

So the original statue should've remained? Cos most Bristolians didn't know anything about it?

Don't you see, that's the problem? We should know this history! People should be offended that that statue was there!

This change needed to happen!

Yes it is complex with what is happening being seen through so many different perspectives. We are seeing polarisation in so many facets of life at the moment that what is the right thing to do is more difficult to discern. One thing I do think however is resolution of these polarities will not come from the same ways of thinking that perpetuates the status quo or comes down in one polarity or the other. Compassionate conversations that help us to understand the different perspective and seek new creative ways to integrate our fragmented society might be. Then again I could be talking cobblers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A simple attempt to goad the uneducated into a reaction. Illegally erected and will be torn down by the Neanderthals by the weekend as the local councils won’t have the stones to do it themselves.

In my opinion the plinth should remain empty. That way it will serve as a reminder that racism will not be tolerated for future generations to come. "

Interesting although I’m not sure labelling them as Neanderthals helps either.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

So the original statue should've remained? Cos most Bristolians didn't know anything about it?

Don't you see, that's the problem? We should know this history! People should be offended that that statue was there!

This change needed to happen!

Who brought shoes into it?

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan over a year ago

It looks good and they should leave in place but maybe go through the correct channels to keep it there, How safe is it ?

You can’t even build something on your own land without planning permission

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"A simple attempt to goad the uneducated into a reaction. Illegally erected and will be torn down by the Neanderthals by the weekend as the local councils won’t have the stones to do it themselves.

In my opinion the plinth should remain empty. That way it will serve as a reminder that racism will not be tolerated for future generations to come. "

Yes leaving it empty would be the best solution, and it would stop the far-left and far-right competing with each other for victimhood supremacy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

So the original statue should've remained? Cos most Bristolians didn't know anything about it?

Don't you see, that's the problem? We should know this history! People should be offended that that statue was there!

This change needed to happen!

I agree with much of what you've said. However, for me, it all needs to me taught. We need to know our history to make our futures better.

I fear you're right tho, there's always a bias."

Perhaps the conversations we have need to unpick our biases in an educational and constructive way?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A simple attempt to goad the uneducated into a reaction. Illegally erected and will be torn down by the Neanderthals by the weekend as the local councils won’t have the stones to do it themselves.

In my opinion the plinth should remain empty. That way it will serve as a reminder that racism will not be tolerated for future generations to come.

Yes leaving it empty would be the best solution, and it would stop the far-left and far-right competing with each other for victimhood supremacy.

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Possibly, I think in that context an empty plinth could be good

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it should be removed as it incites the same amount of hate by reminding people of a racial devide rather than actually doing something constructive. We live in a Neo-leftist society where freedom of speech is a myth and the far left is trying to force everyone to fit in their mold.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

So the original statue should've remained? Cos most Bristolians didn't know anything about it?

Don't you see, that's the problem? We should know this history! People should be offended that that statue was there!

This change needed to happen!

It is very complex. Even amongst different communities there is intolerance. It is socially acceltable to malign and hate bankers and the wealthy but not people of colour or other ethnic minorities but - IMO - it is all still taking one aspect of someone, dehumanising them and casting them as the other.

'Society would be better off without [add preferred group you don't like here]'.

In my younger days in our group was a mixed race boy who liked 'white' music as opposed to 'black' music. The white kids didn't like him for the colour of his skin and the black kids didn't like him because he was too 'white' (he was a Bounty to them) . We didn't care because he liked punk and indie music so he got to hang with the white kids who liked 'alternative' music.

It is a very nuanced subject.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think it should be removed as it incites the same amount of hate by reminding people of a racial devide rather than actually doing something constructive. We live in a Neo-leftist society where freedom of speech is a myth and the far left is trying to force everyone to fit in their mold. "

We don’t live in a ‘neo leftist society ‘

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I say black lives matter, but I do not support BLM movement. They have some rather strange requests outside of the abolishment of systematic racism. Such as collapsing capatalism and defunding the police.

BLM are a thinly veiled Marxist movement, it's why the black panthers didn't get far in the USA but we all know that MLK Jr did.

All of say is, research BLMUK, before you pin your flags to the wall.

The statue, I'd have preferred to see a iconic black figure from history than a figure head of BLM but it is what it is. It's appeased a volatile situation for now, let them have their statue.

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By *hilloutMan over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

The statue should be removed immediately. Lack of action on the part of the council merely encourages mob rule.

Facts are facts. Protesters with a clear social agenda bypassed legal mechanisms and proper public discourse and arbitrarily removed and destroyed a statue. Call it what you will, but it is vandalism of public property. To my knowledge, no one has been charged with this crime. Now, the same folks decide to erect something else in its place without any prior public debate, as if they had been entrusted with the authority to do so.

If the official authorities turn a blind eye to this, what else is in store going forwards?

The mob is never appeased and will always demand more and more

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I partly agree with you in that I do think the left are trying to impose their view of culture on society while the right are imposing their view of capitalist ideals.

We have clashes of different world views played out on a stage where the platform power of social media is being used to convene and influence people. It seems to me it is the zenith of post-modern relativistic pluralist that fails to integrate diverse perspectives that are competing to co-create a hyper-globalised, hyper consumerised chaotic mess.

And I’m not sure if what I have just written is all bollocks too

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"I like it. I think they should keep it. "

Yep let's pop up statues of whoever is flavour of the month without permission. That will end well. You can't have this anarchy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The statue should be removed immediately. Lack of action on the part of the council merely encourages mob rule.

If the official authorities turn a blind eye to this, what else is in store going forwards?

The mob is never appeased and will always demand more and more "

Law and Order!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

And it will get worse, because a lot of what we are seeing happen is being assisted by massive Chinese campaigns to undermine us so they can dominate us like they are doing in Africa at the moment. I’ve seen what they get up to with my own eyes in West Africa and it’s not good. The leftist elements in the UK are similar, they don’t really like free speech very much, and the problem is, with safe spaces which segregate people and stifle freedom of speech and things like that in most universities in the west nowadays, there’s been an overproduction of students graduating university having studied useless grievance related degrees, and finding they are in debt with no decent job prospects beyond minimum wage jobs in retail, so they end up becoming radicalised towards the militant left, and that’s the reason why Jeremy Corbyn did well considering how radical he was.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I partly agree with you in that I do think the left are trying to impose their view of culture on society while the right are imposing their view of capitalist ideals.

And I’m not sure if what I have just written is all bollocks too

Sounds good though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I partly agree with you in that I do think the left are trying to impose their view of culture on society while the right are imposing their view of capitalist ideals.

And I’m not sure if what I have just written is all bollocks too

Sounds good though

Perhaps I should put music to it

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By *m3232Man over a year ago

maidenhead

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

An advantage ? You really haven’t got a clue

Sorry to say you actually haven’t got the clue.

Barrack Obama one of the most powerful people On the planet at one point was a man of colour. He clearly worked hard to get where he was. Stop complaining and get on with it is my opinion and way.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ooh there’s some bloody good stuff in there. There’s a whole raft of threads within that

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

The way it has been put there I do not agree with. I think a new statue, should go through official channels and be placed there though. "

Just shows how neutered our police force have become. Scared to touch it for fear of crying racist. As people have already eloquently said. A statue celebrating someone infamous for vandalising a memorial. Without any consultation process? As an example, Steve redgrave statue took almost 10 years of planning applications and this spontaneous graffiti waters down the hard work people have contributed to society.

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By *hilloutMan over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"The statue should be removed immediately. Lack of action on the part of the council merely encourages mob rule.

If the official authorities turn a blind eye to this, what else is in store going forwards?

The mob is never appeased and will always demand more and more

Law and Order!"

The basis of any functional society. Shame this obvious point is lost on far too many people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It needs to be removed and quickly, it’s been placed illegally irrespective of its meaning.

Personally I think the original statue needs to be reinstated, it’s a lesson to us all of the past.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

An advantage ? You really haven’t got a clue

Sorry to say you actually haven’t got the clue.

Barrack Obama one of the most powerful people On the planet at one point was a man of colour. He clearly worked hard to get where he was. Stop complaining and get on with it is my opinion and way. "

I think Barrack Obama would say that he was fortunate that he was able to do that and wouldn’t see it the same way for those less fortunate than him.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

An advantage ? You really haven’t got a clue

Sorry to say you actually haven’t got the clue.

Barrack Obama one of the most powerful people On the planet at one point was a man of colour. He clearly worked hard to get where he was. Stop complaining and get on with it is my opinion and way. "

Barack Obama ‘at one point was a man of colour’? What does that actually mean?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The statue should be removed immediately. Lack of action on the part of the council merely encourages mob rule.

If the official authorities turn a blind eye to this, what else is in store going forwards?

The mob is never appeased and will always demand more and more

Law and Order!

The basis of any functional society. Shame this obvious point is lost on far too many people."

For sure I think it has an important place in a healthy society However in my view there are times when there are more important things than the law and sometimes a law may need breaking particularly for transformational change to occur.

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By *ljamMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

I'm a fan. The statue is well realised, and I like the fact it's an ordinary person standing up for a cause which is being represented. Makes for a powerful juxtaposition against the statue of an incredibly rich, privileged slaver from the city's history.

I daresay it'll be taken down soon enough, but the act of putting it up without permission has already given the work significance, putting it in a tradition familiar to Bristol thanks to Banksy. That non-sanctioned act of public art isn't always my cup of tea but it gets the conversation and hopefully the brain going too.

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By *m3232Man over a year ago

maidenhead

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

An advantage ? You really haven’t got a clue

Sorry to say you actually haven’t got the clue.

Barrack Obama one of the most powerful people On the planet at one point was a man of colour. He clearly worked hard to get where he was. Stop complaining and get on with it is my opinion and way.

Barack Obama ‘at one point was a man of colour’? What does that actually mean? "

You can’t understand what that means not a good starting point.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm a fan. The statue is well realised, and I like the fact it's an ordinary person standing up for a cause which is being represented. Makes for a powerful juxtaposition against the statue of an incredibly rich, privileged slaver from the city's history.

Yeah I agree with you. However I could easily agree with a few other perspectives in here too. The importance for me is the ensuing and ongoing conversations and flow of meaning more than the actual solution. That said I think what you are saying is my preferred one still while a new consensus decides what to replace it with if at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

An advantage ? You really haven’t got a clue

Sorry to say you actually haven’t got the clue.

Barrack Obama one of the most powerful people On the planet at one point was a man of colour. He clearly worked hard to get where he was. Stop complaining and get on with it is my opinion and way.

Barack Obama ‘at one point was a man of colour’? What does that actually mean?

You can’t understand what that means not a good starting point. "

I’m guessing but I think the bit he was questioning was ‘at one point’. At least that’s what I would be questioning if it were me.

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By *m3232Man over a year ago

maidenhead

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

An advantage ? You really haven’t got a clue

Sorry to say you actually haven’t got the clue.

Barrack Obama one of the most powerful people On the planet at one point was a man of colour. He clearly worked hard to get where he was. Stop complaining and get on with it is my opinion and way.

Barack Obama ‘at one point was a man of colour’? What does that actually mean?

You can’t understand what that means not a good starting point.

I’m guessing but I think the bit he was questioning was ‘at one point’. At least that’s what I would be questioning if it were me."

At one point he was the most important person on the planet being the president of America.

It shows it can be done if you try.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

An advantage ? You really haven’t got a clue

Sorry to say you actually haven’t got the clue.

Barrack Obama one of the most powerful people On the planet at one point was a man of colour. He clearly worked hard to get where he was. Stop complaining and get on with it is my opinion and way.

Barack Obama ‘at one point was a man of colour’? What does that actually mean?

You can’t understand what that means not a good starting point.

I’m guessing but I think the bit he was questioning was ‘at one point’. At least that’s what I would be questioning if it were me.

At one point he was the most important person on the planet being the president of America.

It shows it can be done if you try. "

That isn’t what you initial said , the fact that you don’t realise what you have stated makes no sense is not a good starting point

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We don’t live in a ‘neo leftist society ‘

I am of the opinion that we do if you look at the definition of Neo-leftist. It's the advocacy of radical left leaning political change. The curbing of free speech and the leftist indoctrination in schools and university. Censorship of everyone who does not share your point of view. The list is endless, but it's just my opinion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

An advantage ? You really haven’t got a clue

Sorry to say you actually haven’t got the clue.

Barrack Obama one of the most powerful people On the planet at one point was a man of colour. He clearly worked hard to get where he was. Stop complaining and get on with it is my opinion and way.

Barack Obama ‘at one point was a man of colour’? What does that actually mean?

You can’t understand what that means not a good starting point.

I’m guessing but I think the bit he was questioning was ‘at one point’. At least that’s what I would be questioning if it were me.

At one point he was the most important person on the planet being the president of America.

It shows it can be done if you try. "
thanks for clarifying. I think he had a lot more in his favour than just trying though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We don’t live in a ‘neo leftist society ‘

I think you are right that there are parts of society where this perspective is dominating decisions. That is why we are in what could be called the Infomation Age Culture Wars’ amongst other stuff

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By *m3232Man over a year ago

maidenhead

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

An advantage ? You really haven’t got a clue

Sorry to say you actually haven’t got the clue.

Barrack Obama one of the most powerful people On the planet at one point was a man of colour. He clearly worked hard to get where he was. Stop complaining and get on with it is my opinion and way.

Barack Obama ‘at one point was a man of colour’? What does that actually mean?

You can’t understand what that means not a good starting point.

I’m guessing but I think the bit he was questioning was ‘at one point’. At least that’s what I would be questioning if it were me.

At one point he was the most important person on the planet being the president of America.

It shows it can be done if you try. thanks for clarifying. I think he had a lot more in his favour than just trying though."

Maybe he used his colour to his advantage then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We don’t live in a ‘neo leftist society ‘

What came before this ‘neo leftist society ‘ ? Who is influencing these changes and why are they detrimental to our society ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

An advantage ? You really haven’t got a clue

Sorry to say you actually haven’t got the clue.

Barrack Obama one of the most powerful people On the planet at one point was a man of colour. He clearly worked hard to get where he was. Stop complaining and get on with it is my opinion and way.

Barack Obama ‘at one point was a man of colour’? What does that actually mean?

You can’t understand what that means not a good starting point.

I’m guessing but I think the bit he was questioning was ‘at one point’. At least that’s what I would be questioning if it were me.

At one point he was the most important person on the planet being the president of America.

It shows it can be done if you try. thanks for clarifying. I think he had a lot more in his favour than just trying though.

Maybe he used his colour to his advantage then. "

Maybe he didn’t. This is all irrelevant, unless you are suggesting that Obama becoming POTUS indicates that racial inequality doesn’t exist

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

OK so here's a thing then... The Bnp come along and "tear it down and throw it in the river" one them stand atop the plinth and someone creates a statue of that, and puts it on the plinth? "..

. Its obviously not acceptable... So why is jen reid statue for some acceptable?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I personally think it's a powerful statement of the times we live in. I listened to her on the Beeb this morning and was impressed with her passion.

The process of her being photographed from many different angles at the same time to render a 3D image and then have that built up by what must be a rather large 3D printer is also fascinating and truly reflects the times we are living in.

Hopefully it will be allowed to stay, help educate passers by and school kids for many years to come.

Unfortunately I fear it will become a target for mindless idiots practicing their lasso skills!

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By *stonMTMan over a year ago

cleveland

Pull it down

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By *edro50Man over a year ago

enniskillen

What I find interesting in this thread is that some people on here find the statue and banksy graffiti offensive and illegal and should be removed!yet the number of art installations which includes a graffiti art festival brings thousands of people into the city every year which brings money into the city! embrace theses things as positive input into your city at this time!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is a good piece of art, but I do not think it should stay. As this thread has already shown divisions of opinions, one divisive statue should not be replaced with another.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i think it should eventually be a sculpture of one of the black bristol bus conductors (those with bristol roots will know what and why)..... but until then, this will be a not bad solution.....

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By *edro50Man over a year ago

enniskillen

Lol I've just looked back through the thread and I include myself here aswell, there is no one living in Bristol commenting on this.maybe let them decide!

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

We don’t live in a ‘neo leftist society ‘

So what can't you say because of neo-leftism?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I say black lives matter, but I do not support BLM movement. They have some rather strange requests outside of the abolishment of systematic racism. Such as collapsing capatalism and defunding the police.

BLM are a thinly veiled Marxist movement, it's why the black panthers didn't get far in the USA but we all know that MLK Jr did.

All of say is, research BLMUK, before you pin your flags to the wall.

The statue, I'd have preferred to see a iconic black figure from history than a figure head of BLM but it is what it is. It's appeased a volatile situation for now, let them have their statue. "

Well put, there's plenty of criticism of the BLM if you look for it and what I've seen of their policies doesn't seem to have much to do with equality, which I fear is the assumption people are making with their good intentions.

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By *ustyshowoffCouple over a year ago

Cyprus

I think in the spirit of equality it should be ripped down and throw into the water .

Mark

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

Yes, BLM are trying to get the advantage of not getting shot dead by the US police, or in the UK, stopped and searched ten times more often than white people. Really they should work harder at looking less suspicious.

(I am obviously a bit sarcastic here)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what can't you say because of neo-leftism?

Anything that is opposed to their views.

Reporters get chastised and even cautioned and lose jobs for reporting on the truth.

Good example was the reporting of the sex grooming gangs. Reporters lost jobs and one was arrested for reporting on it. Because according to the left it was racist to mention. There are so many examples. A mate of mine got arrested for posting a pic of himself on Facebook wearing a burka to a fancy dress party.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

I personally think it should be taken down, you can't just go round putting statuses up of yourself. I know plenty of arrogant twats that will start doing it if they think they can get away with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We don’t live in a ‘neo leftist society ‘

What came before this ‘neo leftist society ‘ ? Who is influencing these changes and why are they detrimental to our society ? "

How can one seriously say we are in a neo-leftist society after 10 years of Tory government culminating in a hard right government that de facto absorbed UKIP? The UK is as rightwing as it gets.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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I also think that people should look up who shaun king is, the leader of blm and you can wonder then what kind of organisation they are with his view on jesus statues.

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By *2000ManMan over a year ago

Worthing

Would have preferred a peace sign.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

Absolutely insane.

BLM are a Marxist, cop killing, thug, burn it down organisation.

Folks need to stop hiding behind a slogan.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BLM are a thinly veiled Marxist movement, it's why the black panthers didn't get far in the USA but we all know that MLK Jr did.

All of say is, research BLMUK, before you pin your flags to the wall.

The statue, I'd have preferred to see a iconic black figure from history than a figure head of BLM but it is what it is. It's appeased a volatile situation for now, let them have their statue.

Everyone good and honest wants to abolish racism, it's the right thing to do.

However people should look carefully, past the tag line to uncover what is underneath. Good words don't equal good deeds sometimes.

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

So what can't you say because of neo-leftism?

Anything that is opposed to their views.

Reporters get chastised and even cautioned and lose jobs for reporting on the truth.

Just to be clear the reporter you refer to being arrested, was it Tommy Robinson?

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By *xcumMan over a year ago

kidderminster

Pull the bloody thing down. No permission It’s wrong but they know they can get away with it

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By *otel PlaymatesCouple over a year ago

Cheshire

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

whet he says

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By *KMaxMan over a year ago

Bristol

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

So the original statue should've remained? Cos most Bristolians didn't know anything about it?

Don't you see, that's the problem? We should know this history! People should be offended that that statue was there!

This change needed to happen!"

You cannot fail to know about Colston in Bristol, his name is all over the city in streets, schools and a concert venue, I'm saying that there was never that much focus on the statue.

There has been a long running debate about the Colston Hall and it was decided about 3 years ago to rename it , despite that fact that most Bristolians would continue to call.it the Colston Hall.

The problem is racism, not a statue, not a street name not a school name.

My girlfriend who is mixed race will get followed about by store detectives all over the place, she will get told she has an attitude if she speaks up in work, and has had to put up with people saying she will 'play the race card' of she disagrees with them, regardless of what the argument is.

She couldn't give a flying fuck about a statue or what we call the local concert hall.

People just need to stop being cunts and the problem is solved.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dont care what they put up but people checking their African heritage want to look out as most tribes were attacked and captured by other African tribes the prisoners were sold to Arab slave traders who then sold them to white traders who hardly ever went into the African interior

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Travelling

We don’t live in a ‘neo leftist society ‘

What came before this ‘neo leftist society ‘ ? Who is influencing these changes and why are they detrimental to our society ?

How can one seriously say we are in a neo-leftist society after 10 years of Tory government culminating in a hard right government that de facto absorbed UKIP? The UK is as rightwing as it gets. "

The problem is that the loudest tend to be those at the extremes. Often thanks to media the loud, visual, violent extremists get the attention (both sides) which then gives off the reflection that it is the general consensus. When in reality the majority are in the middle, some a little more left leaning and some right leaning but overall neither being racists or snowflakes.

Those at the extremes will manipulate and twist the minds of those in the middle in pulling them closer to their ideology and cause. Both sides exist but neither side should be given attention or power.

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By *KMaxMan over a year ago

Bristol

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

Of whom a large percentage had of course long campaigned for it's removal "

I think there was a very small taken and I cant remember the result, but it certainly wasnt a large percentage.

There was never any real fuss about the statue, although in recent times there was a call to change the name of the concert hall, including boycotts by local bands like Massive Attack, which was successful and there was an agreement to change the name.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

(I am obviously a bit sarcastic here)

not worry... i feel ya...

(as an education... i might ask people in a thread one day how many times in their lives they had been stopped and searched... it might be an eye opener for a few)

anyway i don't get why so many people feel threatened by BLM unless they feel as a consequence they are going to be worse off... irony people thats exactly what the movement intends to show people....

you know... that whole "equality" thing....

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By *KMaxMan over a year ago

Bristol

"Lol I've just looked back through the thread and I include myself here aswell, there is no one living in Bristol commenting on this.maybe let them decide!"

I have been commenting and am Bristol.born and bred.

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By *KMaxMan over a year ago

Bristol

"i think it should eventually be a sculpture of one of the black bristol bus conductors (those with bristol roots will know what and why)..... but until then, this will be a not bad solution.....

This has been mooted and I am pretty sure it is what will happen and most reasonable Bristolians will be happy to see a statue of someone like Paul Stephenson.

I have seen footage of a lot of the bus boycott and it is really uncomfortable viewing to see white people in my city in my lifetime talking the way they did.

Paul Stephenson should be regarded as a national hero.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely insane.

BLM are a Marxist, cop killing, thug, burn it down organisation.

Folks need to stop hiding behind a slogan. "
Yes and gatestone institute did an article about who they really are as well.

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Absolutely insane.

BLM are a Marxist, cop killing, thug, burn it down organisation.

Folks need to stop hiding behind a slogan. Yes and gatestone institute did an article about who they really are as well."

Hardly an unbiased source though are they?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely insane.

BLM are a Marxist, cop killing, thug, burn it down organisation.

Folks need to stop hiding behind a slogan. Yes and gatestone institute did an article about who they really are as well.

Hardly an unbiased source though are they?"
It goes hand in hand of what other sources says as well.

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By *hybi12Man over a year ago

bristol

You don’t want to acknowledge Bristols history with the slave trade so pulled down Colstons statue, but you now want to put a statue up celebrating the moments after it was pulled down? Complete double negative in my eyes.

When the statue was put up over 100yrs it was ok, in today world it isn’t ok which is total correct!

But when did it become ok for people to just do what they want with no Repercussions?!?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remove straight away. No permission and I find it offensive

Out of interest what is it you find offensive about it?

Blm is people trying to find a advantage due to their skin colour. Work hard and you will be successful.

Wow! No clue at all

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"That's a bit disingenuous OP.

An artist has done the work and installed it ( without permission) rather than the subject of the statue commissioning it.

So the original statue should've remained? Cos most Bristolians didn't know anything about it?

Don't you see, that's the problem? We should know this history! People should be offended that that statue was there!

This change needed to happen!

Cobblers! You have put your foot in it again doc

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Jeremy did well? Really....

He led them to their worst Election Result since Nelson was a cabin boy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Jeremy did well? Really....

He led them to their worst Election Result since Nelson was a cabin boy "

They didn't state who he did well for though Tom

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

(I am obviously a bit sarcastic here)

not worry... i feel ya...

(as an education... i might ask people in a thread one day how many times in their lives they had been stopped and searched... it might be an eye opener for a few)

you know... that whole "equality" thing....

Let me explain Fabio.. the reason some don't jump on the BLM roadshow is that it's a great slogan but to state that the object is to dismantle capitalism and defined the police is not something I subscribe to.

I don't believe that Silence is Violence and I believe that those who prefer not to do the knee thing are not complicit in racism...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Love it. Long may it stand.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Jeremy did well? Really....

He led them to their worst Election Result since Nelson was a cabin boy

They didn't state who he did well for though Tom

So true... A gift for the Tories to have no credible opposition...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Jeremy did well? Really....

He led them to their worst Election Result since Nelson was a cabin boy "

He did well for the type of politician he was, and I was talking about 2017, when it was much closer. By last year, most people had made their mind up about him. He does still have his following though, and if you look on Twitter, many of his Corbynista fans say he should still be leader of Labour lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what can't you say because of neo-leftism?

Anything that is opposed to their views.

Reporters get chastised and even cautioned and lose jobs for reporting on the truth.

Just to be clear the reporter you refer to being arrested, was it Tommy Robinson?"

Not at all. There were 2 female reporters. Can't remember the names now

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Dont care what they put up but people checking their African heritage want to look out as most tribes were attacked and captured by other African tribes the prisoners were sold to Arab slave traders who then sold them to white traders who hardly ever went into the African interior"

Yeah that is true, and possibly the reason why you never hear about the Arab story in the mainstream is because they are Muslims, which many in the countries slaves were taken from are, so I think it’s selective hearing for the most part. Also, there was also the trans-Saharan and Arab slave trades, that only ended more recently and most people have never really heard much about those. Also, how many people are aware that 10% of the people of Mauritania are black slaves? Never hear a peep out of BLM over this, and it’s slavery that’s still going on today we could still do something about, although I feel most western governments probably feel uneasy about intervening in another country, especially one in an area that Islamic extremists have been growing in size in recent years.

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By *innie The MinxWoman over a year ago

Under the Duvet

I think it's a great statue.

We need more statues of women in general and black women in particularly.

Top of your head can you name another?

Probably not.

And for the record, the subject is Jen Reid, the sculptor is Marc Quinn.

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By *KMaxMan over a year ago

Bristol

So what can't you say because of neo-leftism?

Anything that is opposed to their views.

Reporters get chastised and even cautioned and lose jobs for reporting on the truth.

What was the charge?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what can't you say because of neo-leftism?

Anything that is opposed to their views.

Reporters get chastised and even cautioned and lose jobs for reporting on the truth.

What was the charge?"

He got charged for something to do with stoking up racial hate and got away with a caution and Facebook ban

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

(I am obviously a bit sarcastic here)

not worry... i feel ya...

(as an education... i might ask people in a thread one day how many times in their lives they had been stopped and searched... it might be an eye opener for a few)

you know... that whole "equality" thing....

I wonder why so many of us white British people feel threatened by a female symbol of Black empowerment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think it's a great statue.

We need more statues of women in general and black women in particularly.

Top of your head can you name another?

Probably not.

And for the record, the subject is Jen Reid, the sculptor is Marc Quinn."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some twats will probably pull it down and replace it with another statue, innit....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some twats will probably pull it down and replace it with another statue, innit....

Musical statue's....

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

(I am obviously a bit sarcastic here)

not worry... i feel ya...

(as an education... i might ask people in a thread one day how many times in their lives they had been stopped and searched... it might be an eye opener for a few)

you know... that whole "equality" thing....

I'm not threatened by BLM, I just don't think people should be allowed to pop statues up wherever the hell they like, where will it end if people think its acceptable?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

(I am obviously a bit sarcastic here)

not worry... i feel ya...

(as an education... i might ask people in a thread one day how many times in their lives they had been stopped and searched... it might be an eye opener for a few)

you know... that whole "equality" thing....

I don't believe that Silence is Violence and I believe that those who prefer not to do the knee thing are not complicit in racism... "

I’m of the view that Capitalism as we know it is in its death throes right now finding a new model is highly desirable and I’m wondering what your understanding of defunding the Police is?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some twats will probably pull it down and replace it with another statue, innit....

Apparently it’s quite difficult to dismantle- deliberately;-)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

(I am obviously a bit sarcastic here)

not worry... i feel ya...

(as an education... i might ask people in a thread one day how many times in their lives they had been stopped and searched... it might be an eye opener for a few)

you know... that whole "equality" thing....

I'm not threatened by BLM, I just don't think people should be allowed to pop statues up wherever the hell they like, where will it end if people think its acceptable? "

Gotta agree, plenty of places to put it too that aren't seeking to justify criminality with yet more criminality. They could just put it in their front garden like a special gnome or summat and invite the press round or maybe put it in a museum next to the one they pulled down....?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some twats will probably pull it down and replace it with another statue, innit....

Apparently it’s quite difficult to dismantle- deliberately;-)"

Probably made from metals mined by modern day slaves in China too, since there's not much else one can buy in the uk......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

(I am obviously a bit sarcastic here)

not worry... i feel ya...

(as an education... i might ask people in a thread one day how many times in their lives they had been stopped and searched... it might be an eye opener for a few)

you know... that whole "equality" thing....

I'm not threatened by BLM, I just don't think people should be allowed to pop statues up wherever the hell they like, where will it end if people think its acceptable?

That might be where it ends up but look at the conversation it is generating on a Swingers forum

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

I think in the spirit of equality it should be ripped down and throw into the water .

Mark"

Yup, this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

(I am obviously a bit sarcastic here)

not worry... i feel ya...

(as an education... i might ask people in a thread one day how many times in their lives they had been stopped and searched... it might be an eye opener for a few)

you know... that whole "equality" thing....

I'm not threatened by BLM, I just don't think people should be allowed to pop statues up wherever the hell they like, where will it end if people think its acceptable?

That might be where it ends up but look at the conversation it is generating on a Swingers forum

Is this actually a conversation or just ppl shouting tribal shit at each other and not thinking or listening....?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think in the spirit of equality it should be ripped down and throw into the water .

Mark

Yup, this.

Is that what you think we should do with possibly the first symbol of empowerment of a black woman in this country?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

(I am obviously a bit sarcastic here)

not worry... i feel ya...

(as an education... i might ask people in a thread one day how many times in their lives they had been stopped and searched... it might be an eye opener for a few)

you know... that whole "equality" thing....

I'm not threatened by BLM, I just don't think people should be allowed to pop statues up wherever the hell they like, where will it end if people think its acceptable?

That might be where it ends up but look at the conversation it is generating on a Swingers forum

Is this actually a conversation or just ppl shouting tribal shit at each other and not thinking or listening....?"
Some are listening and engaging....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some twats will probably pull it down and replace it with another statue, innit....

Apparently it’s quite difficult to dismantle- deliberately;-)

Probably made from metals mined by modern day slaves in China too, since there's not much else one can buy in the uk......

I honestly don't think anyone thought about this issue, so short sighted^

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm all for tree planting....

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

(I am obviously a bit sarcastic here)

not worry... i feel ya...

(as an education... i might ask people in a thread one day how many times in their lives they had been stopped and searched... it might be an eye opener for a few)

you know... that whole "equality" thing....

I wonder why so many of us white British people feel threatened by a female symbol of Black empowerment."

I would think the total is pretty much negligible ... It's just a descriptor used ... Only in my opinion...

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By *evernmanMan over a year ago

Shrewsbury

As a native of the city who passed the Colston statue every day during my school days, I think the city council should authorise a memorial that reflects the extent to which the city based its prosperity on the slave trade.

I was vaguely aware as a child that Colston had something to do with the slave trade but no-one told us the horror of the trade.

I saw figures recently that about 5.5 million Africans were shipped across the Atlantic during the course of the trade, but at the end of slavery there were 800,000 slaves in the Americas. It was not only forced labour, but mass murder.

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By *adbod74Man over a year ago

Dudley

I'll just be keeping an eye out for the next riots when the council remove it for not having permission to erect it.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Apparently it's been a long held tradition in Bristol to be able to erect statues without permission....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some twats will probably pull it down and replace it with another statue, innit....

Apparently it’s quite difficult to dismantle- deliberately;-)

Probably made from metals mined by modern day slaves in China too, since there's not much else one can buy in the uk......

I honestly don't think anyone thought about this issue, so short sighted^

Maybe the sculptor will let us know. I’ve sent an enquiry.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a native of the city who passed the Colston statue every day during my school days, I think the city council should authorise a memorial that reflects the extent to which the city based its prosperity on the slave trade.

I was vaguely aware as a child that Colston had something to do with the slave trade but no-one told us the horror of the trade.

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By *KMaxMan over a year ago

Bristol

I was vaguely aware as a child that Colston had something to do with the slave trade but no-one told us the horror of the trade.

Pero's bridge at the waterfront is such a memorial.

It would be very difficult to live in Bristol and not know of it's conection to the slave trade, it is a constantly re-emerging subject, but the wiping of all references to Colston is to deny the past. No sane person would condone either the slave trade or racism, but to single out Colston seems pointless.

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By *KMaxMan over a year ago

Bristol

"Some twats will probably pull it down and replace it with another statue, innit....

Apparently it’s quite difficult to dismantle- deliberately;-)

Probably made from metals mined by modern day slaves in China too, since there's not much else one can buy in the uk......

I honestly don't think anyone thought about this issue, so short sighted^

Maybe the sculptor will let us know. I’ve sent an enquiry.

It's made of resin.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what can't you say because of neo-leftism?

Anything that is opposed to their views.

Reporters get chastised and even cautioned and lose jobs for reporting on the truth.

Any evidence to support your claims, or are you just making it up?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some twats will probably pull it down and replace it with another statue, innit....

Apparently it’s quite difficult to dismantle- deliberately;-)

Probably made from metals mined by modern day slaves in China too, since there's not much else one can buy in the uk......

I honestly don't think anyone thought about this issue, so short sighted^

Maybe the sculptor will let us know. I’ve sent an enquiry.

It's made of resin."
Thanks, wondering where are the resin is sourced from.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Apparently there’s been arguments near the statue during the day as people take selfies next to it, and the sentiment is, many are not happy that a white man installed it, saying it would have been better if a black person had installed it. The slippery slope of identity politics hey.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Apparently there’s been arguments near the statue during the day as people take selfies next to it, and the sentiment is, many are not happy that a white man installed it, saying it would have been better if a black person had installed it. The slippery slope of identity politics hey."
Another good debating point though...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think we should put up a load of statues of interracial couples having sex in various different positions, but that's just me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

‘Apparently’ none of what you have said is true

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By *ljamMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

OK so here's a thing then... The Bnp come along and "tear it down and throw it in the river" one them stand atop the plinth and someone creates a statue of that, and puts it on the plinth? "..

. Its obviously not acceptable... So why is jen reid statue for some acceptable? "

I guess to answer that question you'd need to interrogate our current cultural values, and how decisions are made on what is appropriate.

The BLM movement has it's detractors, many very vocal, but by and large they have come to represent a desire for a more equal, less racist society. This, I believe, is something which most people would like to see. The BNP do not stand for such a cause, but even so I'm sure there are some who would support the scenario you describe.

So one statue is more in-tune with our cultural values, and one is not. Of course when you look a little deeper the question of cultural values itself is incredibly complicated, particularly in this information revolution, internet age.

I'd say that in the past it was much more difficult to gauge or measure widespread cultural consensus, and so less of a factor in deciding what sculptures should be put where. Nowadays you have online platforms which allow a cacophony of discordant voices to be heard, and the shape of that noise (and the information driving it) is driven by opaque algorithms conceived by barely accountable multinationals and manipulated by shady political and public opinion consultancies like Cambridge Analytica... it's a trip.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

‘Apparently’ none of what you have said is true

It is true, it was reported on LBC radio an hour ago, and they are not exactly a untrustworthy source.

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By *KMaxMan over a year ago

Bristol

‘Apparently’ none of what you have said is true

It is true, it was reported on LBC radio an hour ago, and they are not exactly a untrustworthy source. "

How stories like this work.

One persons says or tweets something (as in one person out of an entire population)

News outlet reports this, then others continue the story by saying 'people are saying'

It's horse shite.

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By *ljamMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

‘Apparently’ none of what you have said is true

It is true, it was reported on LBC radio an hour ago, and they are not exactly a untrustworthy source.

How stories like this work.

One persons says or tweets something (as in one person out of an entire population)

News outlet reports this, then others continue the story by saying 'people are saying'

It's horse shite."

The media hype conflict, but to be fair there is a debate to be had on the issues of allyship/appropriation/self-promotion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

‘Apparently’ none of what you have said is true

It is true, it was reported on LBC radio an hour ago, and they are not exactly a untrustworthy source. "

Was it? Based on what ? My mates cousins sisters dad said it didn’t happen on Facebook

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By *essysteveCouple over a year ago

ALICANTE AREA SPAIN

I really think that BLM should be changed to ALM - all lives matter to me this is a reversal of racism - I don't care what colour you are - white, pink brown, black, yellow or green - just be nice to each other - but BLM gives a idea that they matter above all skin colours. Lewis Hamilton is a leader in the protest (in his eyes) but does his mum and her side of the family think?

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By *ljamMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I really think that BLM should be changed to ALM - all lives matter to me this is a reversal of racism - I don't care what colour you are - white, pink brown, black, yellow or green - just be nice to each other - but BLM gives a idea that they matter above all skin colours. Lewis Hamilton is a leader in the protest (in his eyes) but does his mum and her side of the family think?

I imagine they are immensely proud of him.

There are hundreds of examples out there explaining why the all lives matter response is an unnecessary, distracting waste of time. Check them out. Hopefully they'll change your mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It means Black Lives Matter as well.

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By *en_Dover79Man over a year ago

Oswaldtwistle

Cary Grant was born in Bristol.. Put a statue of him up.. not many famous bristolians I can think of and he was very famous in his day

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's cool

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

O dear

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I was vaguely aware as a child that Colston had something to do with the slave trade but no-one told us the horror of the trade.

Pero's bridge at the waterfront is such a memorial.

If I lived in Bristol 300 years ago , my job would have been very likely been connected with the slave trade in some way. Racism today IS an issue, the slave trade has ended, let's concentrate on real issues that affect people daily lives."
It have never really ended as now there are modern day slavery and that affect all races not just one there.

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By *KMaxMan over a year ago

Bristol

I was vaguely aware as a child that Colston had something to do with the slave trade but no-one told us the horror of the trade.

Pero's bridge at the waterfront is such a memorial.

If I lived in Bristol 300 years ago , my job would have been very likely been connected with the slave trade in some way. Racism today IS an issue, the slave trade has ended, let's concentrate on real issues that affect people daily lives.It have never really ended as now there are modern day slavery and that affect all races not just one there."

Okay, I should have said slavery no longer has such a huge influence on the cities wealth.

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By *KMaxMan over a year ago

Bristol

"Cary Grant was born in Bristol.. Put a statue of him up.. not many famous bristolians I can think of and he was very famous in his day"

We already have a statue of him , not a million miles away from the statue that is currently causing so much grief.

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By *istretchMan over a year ago

leeds

Seems strange replacing a statue about someone who brought misery with someone from a movement who also brought misery to their own by burning and looting in black areas ruining many people livleyhoods

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