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"It seems for be an over used word nowadays.... but who would you consider to have hero status?
I would start with Muhammad Ali  "
just interested what makes you think that? |
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I agree "hero" is an overused word. Is question the hero status of some mentioned on this thread.
I don't think someone's job automatically makes them a hero. What they do within it can however. As mentioned the firemen running towards the Twin Towers and Johnston Beharry.
A young Polish man jumped into the sea to rescue a four year old girl recently as her inflatable had drifted from the coast, he saved her but died in the process.
A few days ago a fire broke out in a Chinese takeaway trapping the family in the flat above, four kids and their dad. Another Polish man was in a pub nearby when he saw the smoke. He and the landlord ran out. Whilst he flagged down a passing builders van and grabbed their ladder the landlord went home to keep an eye on his pub. The man rescued the four children and their dad.
The family have lost their business and all their possessions but they have the most important thing...their lives thanks to a quick thinking, unassuming man, a hero in my book. |
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Or on the other-hand, perhaps we don’t use the term hero enough….
After all there are many unsung people who on a daily basis unselfishly volunteer their time and effort benefiting society or improving the lives of vulnerable people without any motive of financial or meritorious reward.
To me these people are truly inspirational individuals and deserve the accolade of Hero… !
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"Or on the other-hand, perhaps we don’t use the term hero enough….
After all there are many unsung people who on a daily basis unselfishly volunteer their time and effort benefiting society or improving the lives of vulnerable people without any motive of financial or meritorious reward.
To me these people are truly inspirational individuals and deserve the accolade of Hero… !
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I'd call them decent human beings, and I'm sure that's what they'd rather be referred to as, hence the term 'unsung hero'. |
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"It seems for be an over used word nowadays.... but who would you consider to have hero status?
I would start with Muhammad Ali
just interested what makes you think that? "
For his stance on Vietnam, how many of us would risk imprisonment and our career based on our principles.
His work for the Civil Rights movement, that helped drag America into the 20th century with regards the way way they treated non whites.
For his continued humanitarian work |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It seems for be an over used word nowadays.... but who would you consider to have hero status?
I would start with Muhammad Ali
just interested what makes you think that?
For his stance on Vietnam, how many of us would risk imprisonment and our career based on our principles.
His work for the Civil Rights movement, that helped drag America into the 20th century with regards the way way they treated non whites.
For his continued humanitarian work"
It could be that he thought he had too much to lose by risking his life in Vietnam. I have a problem with conscientious objectors. I read 'cowards' whenever I see that phrase applied to them. If you live in a society and take greddily the good things it throws your way then you have to accept the bad from time to time too. Ali is no hero in my book. |
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Have to disagree with you wishy. I think men/women who have joined the armed forces should be the only ones who cant be objectors.
Just cos we live in this country and pay our taxes we should have the right to stand up for our principles and as civillians not be conscripted into any idiotic war! (im speaking as ex forces myself) |
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"Have to disagree with you wishy. I think men/women who have joined the armed forces should be the only ones who cant be objectors.
Just cos we live in this country and pay our taxes we should have the right to stand up for our principles and as civillians not be conscripted into any idiotic war! (im speaking as ex forces myself)"
you're speaking as though Ali refused to go to war yesterday. Vietnam (and WW2) was a generation or two ago and things were done differently then. Conscription was the order of the day and I think it was wrong for cowards to claim conscientious objection on the grounds they didn't want to get shot. Even now in U.S. politics, if a potential Senator is exposed as an objector his career stalls from that point on. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted. |
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"Have to disagree with you wishy. I think men/women who have joined the armed forces should be the only ones who cant be objectors.
Just cos we live in this country and pay our taxes we should have the right to stand up for our principles and as civillians not be conscripted into any idiotic war! (im speaking as ex forces myself)
you're speaking as though Ali refused to go to war yesterday. Vietnam (and WW2) was a generation or two ago and things were done differently then. Conscription was the order of the day and I think it was wrong for cowards to claim conscientious objection on the grounds they didn't want to get shot. Even now in U.S. politics, if a potential Senator is exposed as an objector his career stalls from that point on. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted."
By not going to war he did stand up for his beliefs, standing out for your principles is not the cowards way Wishy . If there was conscription now, i would go to war for my country, but if it was to an unjust war that flew in the face of my beliefs i would not go. You can't stand up and be counted whilst in a body bag.
Any before any takes me out of context, this is not a pop at our servicemen and the wars we are currently fighting. |
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word hero is over used when it comes to sportsmen and women.
a guy i looked up to was American nascar driver Dale Earnhardt snr.
started with nothing and worked on his dads cars as a boy to become nascars most famous driver. called the intimidator Dale's hard driving style won him races and enemies.
but he always had time for the fans and there are many stories of him helping out people worse off than himself.
Respected and drove just like you wish you could.
Nascar hasnt been the same since he was killed at daytona in 2001.
but i can tell you that when this man walked down the pit lane everyone stopped what they were doing and stared,people stood in the stands and then the roar from the crowd as the black number 3 chevy went on the track.
some people just leave an impression on you when you meet them and Earnhardt was one of those people.
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I found a quote which I think sum this up, for me being a hero is putting yourself before others, quite often quietly, many heroes go unnoticed!
A boy doesn't have to go to war to be a hero; he can say he doesn't like pie when he sees there isn't enough to go around.
Edgar Watson Howe
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"Have to disagree with you wishy. I think men/women who have joined the armed forces should be the only ones who cant be objectors.
Just cos we live in this country and pay our taxes we should have the right to stand up for our principles and as civillians not be conscripted into any idiotic war! (im speaking as ex forces myself)
you're speaking as though Ali refused to go to war yesterday. Vietnam (and WW2) was a generation or two ago and things were done differently then. Conscription was the order of the day and I think it was wrong for cowards to claim conscientious objection on the grounds they didn't want to get shot. Even now in U.S. politics, if a potential Senator is exposed as an objector his career stalls from that point on. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.
By not going to war he did stand up for his beliefs, standing out for your principles is not the cowards way Wishy . If there was conscription now, i would go to war for my country, but if it was to an unjust war that flew in the face of my beliefs i would not go. You can't stand up and be counted whilst in a body bag.
Any before any takes me out of context, this is not a pop at our servicemen and the wars we are currently fighting."
You cannot pick and choose which laws you will adhere to in an ordered society. In a society where conscription is something the fit and able MUST do then someone who refuses to do it is a coward, perferring to let his brothers and sisters put their lives on the line whilst he/she sits at home in the safety of his/her armchair. If so many go to war without objecting, conscientiously or otherwise, then they deserve to know that they are fighting not for some coward but for a mightier purpose.
Nobody will ever convince me that these c/o's were anything but cowards. |
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"word hero is over used when it comes to sportsmen and women.
a guy i looked up to was American nascar driver Dale Earnhardt snr.
started with nothing and worked on his dads cars as a boy to become nascars most famous driver. called the intimidator Dale's hard driving style won him races and enemies.
but he always had time for the fans and there are many stories of him helping out people worse off than himself.
Respected and drove just like you wish you could.
Nascar hasnt been the same since he was killed at daytona in 2001.
but i can tell you that when this man walked down the pit lane everyone stopped what they were doing and stared,people stood in the stands and then the roar from the crowd as the black number 3 chevy went on the track.
some people just leave an impression on you when you meet them and Earnhardt was one of those people.
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I was staying with friends in Virginia when he died in that crash, it was incredible how the whole town went into mourning. |
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"Have to disagree with you wishy. I think men/women who have joined the armed forces should be the only ones who cant be objectors.
Just cos we live in this country and pay our taxes we should have the right to stand up for our principles and as civillians not be conscripted into any idiotic war! (im speaking as ex forces myself)
you're speaking as though Ali refused to go to war yesterday. Vietnam (and WW2) was a generation or two ago and things were done differently then. Conscription was the order of the day and I think it was wrong for cowards to claim conscientious objection on the grounds they didn't want to get shot. Even now in U.S. politics, if a potential Senator is exposed as an objector his career stalls from that point on. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.
By not going to war he did stand up for his beliefs, standing out for your principles is not the cowards way Wishy . If there was conscription now, i would go to war for my country, but if it was to an unjust war that flew in the face of my beliefs i would not go. You can't stand up and be counted whilst in a body bag.
Any before any takes me out of context, this is not a pop at our servicemen and the wars we are currently fighting.
You cannot pick and choose which laws you will adhere to in an ordered society. In a society where conscription is something the fit and able MUST do then someone who refuses to do it is a coward, perferring to let his brothers and sisters put their lives on the line whilst he/she sits at home in the safety of his/her armchair. If so many go to war without objecting, conscientiously or otherwise, then they deserve to know that they are fighting not for some coward but for a mightier purpose.
Nobody will ever convince me that these c/o's were anything but cowards."
I usually agree with a lot of what you say, but on this point I could not disagree more mate.
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"word hero is over used when it comes to sportsmen and women.
a guy i looked up to was American nascar driver Dale Earnhardt snr.
started with nothing and worked on his dads cars as a boy to become nascars most famous driver. called the intimidator Dale's hard driving style won him races and enemies.
but he always had time for the fans and there are many stories of him helping out people worse off than himself.
Respected and drove just like you wish you could.
Nascar hasnt been the same since he was killed at daytona in 2001.
but i can tell you that when this man walked down the pit lane everyone stopped what they were doing and stared,people stood in the stands and then the roar from the crowd as the black number 3 chevy went on the track.
some people just leave an impression on you when you meet them and Earnhardt was one of those people.
I was staying with friends in Virginia when he died in that crash, it was incredible how the whole town went into mourning."
when i met Dale he took nearly an hour to chat to me because i came from the uk to see him race.
took me around the pit lane and showed me the workings of his car.
introduced me to other drivers and signed a load of pictures and a diecast car i had bought.
he didnt have to do it,but he did because under them race overalls was a hard working man who over forget that the fans put him in the spotlight. |
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